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[The_KFD_Case]

sm00thie88 wrote...

Where is my fellow KFD? Got a report waiting

I'm right here good buddy! Will be in-and-out of this thread though as I have to finish up some online paperwork.

[sm00thie88]

The_KFD_Case wrote...
Not sure. It's been mentioned by BioWare in some interview or other that there will be potentially uncomfortable consequences for the players that romanced one LI in ME1 and switched to a different LI in ME2 come ME3.

You sir have got a new message *off smoking*

[sergio71785]

Whatever happens if you "cheat" with your LI, I don't think it'll be too bad. I mean come on, when we all played ME1, who ever really seriously thought to themselves "Hmm, maybe I should hold up on romancing either of these just in case there's a sequel in two years and it lets me import my save game"

I suspect it'll probably be some yelling, maybe losing "loyalty" with whoever you reject. At worst it'll probably be that the one you reject doesn't join your crew/leaves.

Modifié par sergio71785, 11 mars 2010 - 09:07 .

[Geth Knight]

huntrrz wrote...

Raniall wrote...

I hope there is an option to "deal" with Xen in ME3. That ***** deserves a hole in the head from a sniper rilfe.

Best revenge?  Beating her in a debate in the Conclave and forcing her resignation or impeachment.

(Hmmm...  Forcing the Admiralty Board's hands by convincing the Conclave to pass something the Board is compelled to veto, forcing them to resign en masse...)

Catching Xen with plans to disrupt  a planed geth/quarian peace deal and taking her out with an AR to the back of the head?

[HK01]

Geth Knight wrote...

huntrrz wrote...

Raniall wrote...

I hope there is an option to "deal" with Xen in ME3. That ***** deserves a hole in the head from a sniper rilfe.

Best revenge?  Beating her in a debate in the Conclave and forcing her resignation or impeachment.

(Hmmm...  Forcing the Admiralty Board's hands by convincing the Conclave to pass something the Board is compelled to veto, forcing them to resign en masse...)

Catching Xen with plans to disrupt  a planed geth/quarian peace deal and taking her out with an AR to the back of the head?

Or Tali stabs her with the knife she has in her boot

[Pauravi]

DrakeforBake wrote...

alickar wrote...

this gives hint tht most or all ur team from ME1 and ME2 weill be returning as squaddies since LI confrontation

I certainly hope so, I miss Wrex so much and Grunt as good as he is, ain't Wrex.

As much as I hate to say it (and I do, because I really don't like Grunt much), I don't know if Wrex is gonna be back.  Not that I wouldn't love it if he was, but: a) Grunt has no reason to leave you, and Wrex has some very important things to do on Tuchanka.  Wrex is essentially King of the Krogan now.  I'm so proud of him

Really the Ash /Kai fans got really screwed. I'd have gone nuts if they pulled this on Tali.

Yeah I suppose... but then again, assuming they come back as major characters (which I am certain of), both the ME2 and ME1 romances will have two games worth of development.  Also, the idea of a "troubled romance" was kind of a unique opportunity with this trilogy.  If you were attached to Liara, Ash, or Kaiden, and genuinely liked them, then of course you'll feel screwed and kinda pissed at them.  But that is really the point -- are you gonna quit on them, or do you actually care about the character enough to stick it out?

Judging by the fair size of the Liara/Ash/Kaiden threads, a fair number of people do.

[Shazzammer2]

Got a question for you all. I may get a lot of flak for this but I think it begs questioning. Would it have been better if the relationship between Tali an Shep stayed sort of "platonic" (apologies if im using the term incorrectly). Wouldn't it be more fulfilling than just a quick one night stand? What you think?

[alickar]

Pauravi wrote...

DrakeforBake wrote...

alickar wrote...

this gives hint tht most or all ur team from ME1 and ME2 weill be returning as squaddies since LI confrontation

I certainly hope so, I miss Wrex so much and Grunt as good as he is, ain't Wrex.

As much as I hate to say it (and I do, because I really don't like Grunt much), I don't know if Wrex is gonna be back.  Not that I wouldn't love it if he was, but: a) Grunt has no reason to leave you, and Wrex has some very important things to do on Tuchanka.  Wrex is essentially King of the Krogan now.  I'm so proud of him

Really the Ash /Kai fans got really screwed. I'd have gone nuts if they pulled this on Tali.

Yeah I suppose... but then again, assuming they come back as major characters (which I am certain of), both the ME2 and ME1 romances will have two games worth of development.  Also, the idea of a "troubled romance" was kind of a unique opportunity with this trilogy.  If you were attached to Liara, Ash, or Kaiden, and genuinely liked them, then of course you'll feel screwed and kinda pissed at them.  But that is really the point -- are you gonna quit on them, or do you actually care about the character enough to stick it out?

Judging by the fair size of the Liara/Ash/Kaiden threads, a fair number of people do.

wrex=shep teammate=wrex knows if reapers win will destory everything so might join shep  to kill reapers

[HK01]

Shazzammer2 wrote...

Got a question for you all. I may get a lot of flak for this but I think it begs questioning. Would it have been better if the relationship between Tali an Shep stayed sort of "platonic" (apologies if im using the term incorrectly). Wouldn't it be more fulfilling than just a quick one night stand? What you think?

How was what happened a quick one night stand?

[Pauravi]

sergio71785 wrote...

Whatever happens if you "cheat" with your LI, I don't think it'll be too bad.. ... At worst it'll probably be that the one you reject doesn't join your crew/leaves.

I agree that this could happen, and honestly I think that is a pretty big consequence.
Most particularly with Liara, I think she may end up falling deeper into her obsession with the Shadow Broker and either dying in the attempt or becoming the SB herself; either way Shep loses her forever.  That would be a pretty sad end to the relationship.

[huntrrz]

GeeMunkey wrote...

Kaiden: Commander, I can't believe you picked me over Ashley.
Shepard: I didn't, I came back for Kirrahe, "Hold the line!", I love that little guy.

EXACTLY!!!  In my playthroughs, I sent Ashley with the STG and went to rescue ALL OF THEM.

Ashley acts as if SHE was the only person I was saving.  Way to be self-centered, marine!

Nothing like SAVING an STG to establish good diplomatic relations...

What?  I'm a COMMAND OFFICER, I've got to make decisions based on ALL the factors!

[alickar]

Shazzammer2 wrote...

Got a question for you all. I may get a lot of flak for this but I think it begs questioning. Would it have been better if the relationship between Tali an Shep stayed sort of "platonic" (apologies if im using the term incorrectly). Wouldn't it be more fulfilling than just a quick one night stand? What you think?

one night stand tali cannot go out of suit every day to lay down with shep could kill her no one to romance things let her recover.

[Soban]

Ashley was a one night stand. There is no way that Tali was a one night stand given the importance she gave it. Perhaps if Shepard is renegade it was, but not for Tali. It was her first time linking suits with anyone. Also her body will adapt to shepards. She said as much in game so they eventually wont get sick.

(Personally I think it would have been halarious for tali to be fine and shepard to get sick)

Modifié par Soban, 11 mars 2010 - 09:15 .

[Shazzammer2]

HK01 wrote...

Shazzammer2 wrote...

Got a question for you all. I may get a lot of flak for this but I think it begs questioning. Would it have been better if the relationship between Tali an Shep stayed sort of "platonic" (apologies if im using the term incorrectly). Wouldn't it be more fulfilling than just a quick one night stand? What you think?

How was what happened a quick one night stand?

Oh wait... sorry that was a complete facepalm. n/m.

[alickar]

alickar wrote...

Shazzammer2 wrote...

Got a question for you all. I may get a lot of flak for this but I think it begs questioning. Would it have been better if the relationship between Tali an Shep stayed sort of "platonic" (apologies if im using the term incorrectly). Wouldn't it be more fulfilling than just a quick one night stand? What you think?

one night stand tali cannot go out of suit every day to lay down with shep could kill her  romance will go on let her recover from previous one  recover.

[DrakeforBake]

HK01 wrote...

Shazzammer2 wrote...

Got a question for you all. I may get a lot of flak for this but I think it begs questioning. Would it have been better if the relationship between Tali an Shep stayed sort of "platonic" (apologies if im using the term incorrectly). Wouldn't it be more fulfilling than just a quick one night stand? What you think?

How was what happened a quick one night stand?

To be honest... Shepard could be played as a conniving ****** and it really was just a release for him. I mean it's on the eve of a suicide mission, who's to say he won't change his mind when the pressure is off?

Now I personally will play it like it meant something but the option to be a ****** will always be there.

[Xandurpein]

Phil725 wrote...

The_KFD_Case wrote...

Phil725 wrote...

Ashley definitely got a bad rap after ME1.  I defended her constantly every time people started the whole anti Ashley argument.  Then ME2 comes around and punishes me for it by making her completely unlikable.  <_<

A fair point, though her follow up e-mail after Horizon does much to calm the waters left in the wake of that confrontation, IMO. I still like Ashley though I do not regret falling for Tali. That said I do not exactly relish having to hurt either one of them in ME3 if what BioWare has hinted at comes to pass.

I'm the opposite actually, I absolutely hated the follow up email.  It just struck me as Bioware saying "we know there is absolutely no way that two intelligent adults could think they're still a couple at this point, but you're stuck anyway."  I seriously have no idea how Bioware can justify not having an option to break up with your ME1 LI's.  It isn't like Ashley got surprised by Shepard being alive like Tali on Freedom's Progress, Ashley had everything except a confirmation.  She had plenty of time to organize her feelings.  She chose to follow the alliance blindly as opposed to her supposed soul mate.

Her actions make sense as someone who became good friends with Shepard, not as someone who loves him.  I'm sorry, if I'm in love with someone, they better believe me over idiotic propaganda.  She comes across like the mindless Krogan on Grunt's recruitment.  Following the Alliance because she has to.

As far as hurting her in ME3.  I wouldn't do it if Bioware gave me a choice, but they didn't.  I would have ended things cordially every time if given the option.  I don't feel bad for anything that happens to Ashley, the onus for that is on Bioware.

I still like Ashley even after ME2. I'll definitly go with Tali on my 'canon' play of ME3, but I think I'll play ME3 at least once exploring how it will turn out if you romance Ashley. Tali totally swept me off my feet. But I really don't think that those who are upset with Ashley's decision not to follow Shepard understands what it means to be an officer in the armed forces. Ashley can't just go AWOL in the middle of a military mission and become a deserter, whatever she feels for Shepard. At least not if she has the strong feelings for the Alliance armed forces she has, it would be totally out of character.

[huntrrz]

Soban wrote...

Part of me is like Ashley/Liara/Tali catfight, awesome! The outher part of me remembers that someone said the game thinks that you romaced Ashley or Liara in the first game no matter what and goes aw crap.

Nope!  If you romanced someone there is a photo of them on the desk in your cabin.  If you didn't, no photo.

The game KNOWS...  

[HK01]

Good night everybody, I need to get some sleep.

[The_KFD_Case]

DrakeforBake wrote...

The_KFD_Case wrote...

DrakeforBake wrote...

My money is on her being a major instigater of the Geth conflict in 3. Either right or wrong.

Interesting thought, what if Rael and Xen actually did create a program that rewrote the Geth to be loyal? Not a virus that wrecks them but a program that allows them to integrate together?

Hm. That would raise a two-part moral dilemma for me. First of all, the true Geth do not appear to be mindlessly aggressive if Legion's commentary is accurate. Quite the contrary; based upon Legion's descriptions the Geth may in fact be amongst the most tolerant and enlightened sapient factions in known galactic society (quite ironic yet possibly fitting given their history and synthetic status). Secondly, I don't trust Xen's machinations further than I could throw her which probably isn't all that far. The thought of her, or anyone else for that matter (including humanity), having unhindered access to a synthetic army possibly numbering in the billions makes me uneasy.

Legion out right says that it's racist to consider Geth the same way you do other organics, such as the overwriting of the Heretics.

What if the program Xen and Rael turns out to have been something that "completed" the Geth's understanding of other races? Intergrating organic values to the Geth conciousness allowing them to come to terms with organic reasoning.

What if the Geth actually welcomed the programming? The Geth never once said they were a perfect machine that outside influences can't make impacts on their values.

What if they self determinate that they need the program once they see what has been done? The Geth never said that they improved their own programming merely multiplied and improved their hardware.

Correction, Legion makes that comment in reference to the Heretics who have already been subjected to a virus from Nazara (aka. Sovereign). Legion justifies the overwrite since the alternative is outright destruction and thus the Heretics as they existed would be lost either way. Legion's position is pragmatic given the circumstances of the situation.

Given the nature of Rael's research (i.e. ways to effectively combat Geth) it remains highly questionable whether any of that research would have benign benefits for the Geth. Furthermore, given an almost complete lack of hard data on what Rael was researching any such postulations are nothing more than conjecture and idle speculation.

If the program Rael was working on and which Xen has gleaned bits and pieces of is beneficial to the Geth then let the Geth decide for themselves. Given the Geth's insistence upon making their own future and granting the same right for all sapient species, coupled with their refusal for the most part (the Codex mentions the Heretics are estimated to only account for ca. 5% of the total Geth population) of Sovereigns offer to guide them to their future, there is good reason to suspect the Geth would reject such an offer....And I suspect you did not intend to ask them politely for their accord before proceeding which would likely greatly increase the odds of the Geth turning against such a move.

The Geth also never said that they hadn't improved their programming. Perhaps if the Geth were peacefully approached, shown the potential benefits of whatever research is in question AND given free reign to examine it for themselves then perhaps they might agree to go along with it. There are alot of "if"s in the scenarios you propose and I wouldn't hold my breath on any of them given the limited evidence currently at hand.

Modifié par The_KFD_Case, 11 mars 2010 - 09:17 .

[alickar]

HK01 wrote...

Good night everybody, I need to get some sleep.

bye

[Phil725]

Pauravi wrote...

DrakeforBake wrote...

alickar wrote...

this gives hint tht most or all ur team from ME1 and ME2 weill be returning as squaddies since LI confrontation

I certainly hope so, I miss Wrex so much and Grunt as good as he is, ain't Wrex.

As much as I hate to say it (and I do, because I really don't like Grunt much), I don't know if Wrex is gonna be back.  Not that I wouldn't love it if he was, but: a) Grunt has no reason to leave you, and Wrex has some very important things to do on Tuchanka.  Wrex is essentially King of the Krogan now.  I'm so proud of him

Really the Ash /Kai fans got really screwed. I'd have gone nuts if they pulled this on Tali.

Yeah I suppose... but then again, assuming they come back as major characters (which I am certain of), both the ME2 and ME1 romances will have two games worth of development.  Also, the idea of a "troubled romance" was kind of a unique opportunity with this trilogy.  If you were attached to Liara, Ash, or Kaiden, and genuinely liked them, then of course you'll feel screwed and kinda pissed at them.  But that is really the point -- are you gonna quit on them, or do you actually care about the character enough to stick it out?

Judging by the fair size of the Liara/Ash/Kaiden threads, a fair number of people do.

I'm definitely worried about Wrex.  He's still my second favorite character overall, and they just wrote him out of the story way too well.  I don't see how they can come up with some way to get him back on the team unless he gets betrayed again or something.  They also won't have two krogans on your team at once.  I'm guessing I'm getting stuck with Grunt again.  I hate Grunt

[Scalpels]

HK01 wrote...

Shazzammer2 wrote...

Got a question for you all. I may get a lot of flak for this but I think it begs questioning. Would it have been better if the relationship between Tali an Shep stayed sort of "platonic" (apologies if im using the term incorrectly). Wouldn't it be more fulfilling than just a quick one night stand? What you think?

How was what happened a quick one night stand?

Agree with HK01. Definately not a one night stand. Shepard is clear in desire for more than just one night. To answer kernel of question. Relationship good as platonic. Better as love interest. Want to see this:

Source: Sergio17

[Andaius20]

I usually, play several times to see all the different permutations anyway. Why would you not do that anyway? It's like your not playing 50% of the game.

[Archonsg]

HK01 wrote...

Geth Knight wrote...

huntrrz wrote...

Raniall wrote...

I hope there is an option to "deal" with Xen in ME3. That ***** deserves a hole in the head from a sniper rilfe.

Best revenge?  Beating her in a debate in the Conclave and forcing her resignation or impeachment.

(Hmmm...  Forcing the Admiralty Board's hands by convincing the Conclave to pass something the Board is compelled to veto, forcing them to resign en masse...)

Catching Xen with plans to disrupt  a planed geth/quarian peace deal and taking her out with an AR to the back of the head?

Or Tali stabs her with the knife she has in her boot

Why kill her, when the *worst* thing you can do to a Quarian is to have her exiled and have her name stripped from all fleet manifests?

Modifié par Archonsg, 11 mars 2010 - 09:19 .