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Archonsg wrote...
Wrex is a true friend. Never could see why even as a renegade you'd want to kill him by choosing the "dick" renegade choice.
Azint wrote...
Funny since I used the other half of the squad a lot more than them.sergio71785 wrote...
I understand why they're upset too. But when you think about it...Ash/Kaiden/Liara got preferential treatment in ME1.
I do like Ash/Kaiden/Liara, but I did not like the romance.
I hope for Bioware's sake that all the LI's are glorified in ME3. If not, there is going to be fire from all parties.sergio71785 wrote...
Well, I meant from a LI perspective. Ash/Kaiden/Liara were LI options in ME1, but not in ME2.
Tali/Garrus were LI's in ME2, but not in ME1.
So when you look at it like that, it's balanced. At least from an LI perspective.
You bring up an interesting point about being as integral as Shepard. I've noticed that (paragon) Shep seems to bring out the best in people.Ellipsisman wrote...
Azint wrote...
I'm not so sure if I'll feel the same way if either Garrus and Tali take a backseat in ME3. >.>
But considering the way they've built these characters up (they're almost as integral as Shepard, in a sense...) it's unlikely they'd just dump them in 3...
At least I hope:unsure:
I agree. Hopefully everyone will shine.Azint wrote...
I hope for Bioware's sake that all the LI's are glorified in ME3. If not, there is going to be fire from all parties.sergio71785 wrote...
Well, I meant from a LI perspective. Ash/Kaiden/Liara were LI options in ME1, but not in ME2.
Tali/Garrus were LI's in ME2, but not in ME1.
So when you look at it like that, it's balanced. At least from an LI perspective.
Because, when you sit down and look at the majority of the Renegade choices, he's a xenophobic sh*tbag.NuclearBuddha wrote...
You bring up an interesting point about being as integral as Shepard. I've noticed that (paragon) Shep seems to bring out the best in people.Ellipsisman wrote...
Azint wrote...
I'm not so sure if I'll feel the same way if either Garrus and Tali take a backseat in ME3. >.>
But considering the way they've built these characters up (they're almost as integral as Shepard, in a sense...) it's unlikely they'd just dump them in 3...
At least I hope:unsure:
Look at Wrex: he went from being a cynical merc to being well along the path to single-handedly reforming krogan culture.
And Tali? She's almost the quarian version of Shep: if Shep has shown the galaxy the value of humanity, Tali is showing the galaxy the value of quarians.
Garrus point blank says he thinks he's a terrible turian, but he exemplifies all the things that the galaxy values in turians: he's brave, he stands by his decisions, he honors his commitments, he follows orders, and he's a steadfast friend (even following Shep into a freaking plague zone).
That's the really sad thing about Renegade Shep, I feel. He's a badass, but he doesn't build up anything but himself.
NuclearBuddha wrote...
You bring up an interesting point about being as integral as Shepard. I've noticed that (paragon) Shep seems to bring out the best in people.Ellipsisman wrote...
Azint wrote...
I'm not so sure if I'll feel the same way if either Garrus and Tali take a backseat in ME3. >.>
But considering the way they've built these characters up (they're almost as integral as Shepard, in a sense...) it's unlikely they'd just dump them in 3...
At least I hope:unsure:
Look at Wrex: he went from being a cynical merc to being well along the path to single-handedly reforming krogan culture.
And Tali? She's almost the quarian version of Shep: if Shep has shown the galaxy the value of humanity, Tali is showing the galaxy the value of quarians.
Garrus point blank says he thinks he's a terrible turian, but he exemplifies all the things that the galaxy values in turians: he's brave, he stands by his decisions, he honors his commitments, he follows orders, and he's a steadfast friend (even following Shep into a freaking plague zone).
That's the really sad thing about Renegade Shep, I feel. He's a badass, but he doesn't build up anything but himself.
Don't forget when you go Paragon with the Tali/Legion argument, she concedes and gives Legion some non-classified info on the fleet. At the very least she's becoming somewhat accepting of them, or at the very least of Legion. But if she trusts Legion, then in effect she trusts all the geth.sergio71785 wrote...
I really liked in ME1 how you could guide Garrus away from his Renegade temptations, or indulge them.
I suspect we'll see something similar in ME3 with Tali, and her feelings against the Geth. Her dialog shows "approval" when you say renegade-stuff in regards to the Geth, and when you go with Paragon she usually gets upset with you. But I think if you keep up the Paragon options, you'll be able to help mold her feelings to be more open to peace with them.
Modifié par Felipe 058, 12 mars 2010 - 08:23 .
Felipe 058 wrote...
Don't forget when you go Paragon with the Tali/Legion argument, she concedes and gives Legion some non-classified info on the fleet. At the very least she's becoming somewhat accepting of them, or at the least of Legion. But if she trusts Legion, then in effect she trusts all the geth.sergio71785 wrote...
I really liked in ME1 how you could guide Garrus away from his Renegade temptations, or indulge them.
I suspect we'll see something similar in ME3 with Tali, and her feelings against the Geth. Her dialog shows "approval" when you say renegade-stuff in regards to the Geth, and when you go with Paragon she usually gets upset with you. But I think if you keep up the Paragon options, you'll be able to help mold her feelings to be more open to peace with them.
Modifié par sergio71785, 12 mars 2010 - 08:23 .
Ellipsisman wrote...
A-yup. Actually, a true Paragon perspective would say that he even tears himself down...
Also, part of why Tali and Garrus are integral (in my mind) is they have some influence on Shepard as well... then again, Shepard=player, so that's a more subjective observation...
You know, the interesting thing I saw about Tali is that she is leery of both the paragon and renegade dialogues in her loyalty mission ("find a new home" vs. "I'll build you a house on the homeworld").sergio71785 wrote...
I really liked in ME1 how you could guide Garrus away from his Renegade temptations, or indulge them.
I suspect we'll see something similar in ME3 with Tali, and her feelings against the Geth. Her dialog shows "approval" when you say renegade-stuff in regards to the Geth, and when you go with Paragon she usually gets upset with you. But I think if you keep up the Paragon options, you'll be able to help mold her feelings to be more open to peace with them.
NuclearBuddha wrote...
And heck, she's horrified when she finds out what her father did. It seems to me like she's already plenty conflicted on the issue.
Lareit wrote...
Ellipsisman wrote...
A-yup. Actually, a true Paragon perspective would say that he even tears himself down...
Also, part of why Tali and Garrus are integral (in my mind) is they have some influence on Shepard as well... then again, Shepard=player, so that's a more subjective observation...
Your paragon, modesty, statment is very accurate.
But i don't see the other at all.
Any influence that Garrus or Tali has on Shep is only in the player's mind (since the player ultimately has control). So it's subjective, but can be there. I'll admit to being concerned about what one or the other might think about Shep's actions. The "forget the homeworld/house on Rannoch" conversation is a good example of this.Lareit wrote...
Your paragon, modesty, statment is very accurate.Ellipsisman wrote...
A-yup. Actually, a true Paragon perspective would say that he even tears himself down...
Also, part of why Tali and Garrus are integral (in my mind) is they have some influence on Shepard as well... then again, Shepard=player, so that's a more subjective observation...
But i don't see the other at all.
Heh, she's practically human in that respect. To quote Samara, "If three humans are in a room, there will be six opinions." I'd almost go so far as to say Tali's a human and a half.NuclearBuddha wrote...
You know, the interesting thing I saw about Tali is that she is leery of both the paragon and renegade dialogues in her loyalty mission ("find a new home" vs. "I'll build you a house on the homeworld").sergio71785 wrote...
I really liked in ME1 how you could guide Garrus away from his Renegade temptations, or indulge them.
I suspect we'll see something similar in ME3 with Tali, and her feelings against the Geth. Her dialog shows "approval" when you say renegade-stuff in regards to the Geth, and when you go with Paragon she usually gets upset with you. But I think if you keep up the Paragon options, you'll be able to help mold her feelings to be more open to peace with them.
I usually did the "find a new home" simply because I wanted to be realistic (and paragon) about it. However, hearing "build you a house on Rannoch" enough times on this thread convinced me to give that dialogue a try once. I was surprised that she's almost as heated about the idea as she gets when you tell her to give up on the homeworld (and I felt kinda bad about how the convo runs).
And heck, she's horrified when she finds out what her father did. It seems to me like she's already plenty conflicted on the issue.
And put the Flotilla in danger, yes. I thought that, too, originally. But she specifically says that she "never wanted this" in reference to the experiments being performed on the geth.sergio71785 wrote...
Yeah but I think that was mainly because he was so reckless with the Geth parts. He basically got everyone on that ship killed :/NuclearBuddha wrote...
And heck, she's horrified when she finds out what her father did. It seems to me like she's already plenty conflicted on the issue.
NuclearBuddha wrote...
You know, the interesting thing I saw about Tali is that she is leery of both the paragon and renegade dialogues in her loyalty mission ("find a new home" vs. "I'll build you a house on the homeworld").
I usually did the "find a new home" simply because I wanted to be realistic (and paragon) about it. However, hearing "build you a house on Rannoch" enough times on this thread convinced me to give that dialogue a try once. I was surprised that she's almost as heated about the idea as she gets when you tell her to give up on the homeworld (and I felt kinda bad about how the convo runs).
And heck, she's horrified when she finds out what her father did. It seems to me like she's already plenty conflicted on the issue.
I was pretty surprised to hear Garrus suggest keeping the Collector base. Then Tali immediately snapped at him for doing so.Ellipsisman wrote...
Like I said, it's more subjective...
I guess Garrus and Tali influenced me personally (through dialogue and character dev) so it wouldn't be universal... Eh, back to the drawing board...
NuclearBuddha wrote...
And put the Flotilla in danger, yes. I thought that, too, originally. But she specifically says that she "never wanted this" in reference to the experiments being performed on the geth.sergio71785 wrote...
Yeah but I think that was mainly because he was so reckless with the Geth parts. He basically got everyone on that ship killed :/NuclearBuddha wrote...
And heck, she's horrified when she finds out what her father did. It seems to me like she's already plenty conflicted on the issue.
Azint wrote...
I was pretty surprised to hear Garrus suggest keeping the Collector base. Then Tali immediately snapped at him for doing so.Ellipsisman wrote...
Like I said, it's more subjective...
I guess Garrus and Tali influenced me personally (through dialogue and character dev) so it wouldn't be universal... Eh, back to the drawing board...
I took the opposite approach on Sidonis. I talked Garrus down because that's just what I do: talk Garrus out of things I'm pretty sure he's going to regret someday. The only thing killing Sidonis does is let Sidonis take the easy way out. Turians are supposed to own up to their actions.Xandurpein wrote...
Tali and Garrus are the two companions that I feel can demand that Shepard shows that he trust them, not just the other way around. I didn't think too long about the paragon/renegade part of deciding to hide Rael's evidence. It was simply Tali's call to make, not mine. The same with Garrus. I argued a bit with him about Sidonis, but ultimately I decided that I ought to trust him and not interfere with his decision.
And yes, reuniting with Wrex was really heart warming. The way he just thrust everybody else out of the way as so much thin air to great his old friend Shepard was really awesome.
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