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[Archonsg]

Phil725 wrote...

I'm specifically avoiding that mindset, because that was my problem with ME2.  I went in expecting my decisions to matter, and they didn't.  If I expect the same with ME3, and Bioware does the same thing, I'll be disappointed.  I'm sure the rachni decision will pop up at some point, but I feel like some people are expecting the rachni to come in and save the galaxy from destruction at the last minute, and I don't think the effect will be that pronounced.  The rachni is also the easiest choice to have an effect on the ending.  The others are much more nebulous, and could easily be changed by actions in ME2/3.

Like you said though, they'll definitely change the characters and dialogue, so you'll feel your decisions.  That's good enough for me.  I just worry that people are expecting a little too much in the way of decisions affecting the universe.

Precisely.
Now, as much as I would like to see the entire Galaxy fighting side by side along Shepard at the end, meaning, you'll Krogan, Rachni (wouldn't that be great, A Rachni squadmate?) Turian, Quarian (TALI! ) Human, Batarian and yes, Blasto the first Hanar Spectre, I don't think this is gonna happen. 

But, Bioware can make those choices count in other ways, Rachni and Krogan fight side by side in a holding war, Quarians and Geth working hand in hand running cyberwarfare countermeasures, hell, even Batarians and humans marines fighting alongside each other.  For the Paragaons, that imagery in itself exemplifies the Pargaon Shepard, two mortal enemies working together to save the galaxy. While the Renegade path shows a more darker, ruthless "human-centric" force over-running everything, using the other races as "shocktroops / cannon fodder.

[Phil725]

Lord Abrasion wrote...

HK01 wrote...

Darth Cheesecake wrote...

Somebody1003 wrote...

Yeah, some people just used her since Tali wasnt a LI in ME1.

That wasn't the only reason she was so...awkward and I found that endearing...

True, that was kind of cute. But all that is gone in ME2. I really don't know what the hell happened, but they messed her up as a character. Any interest in her died after five seconds in her office

That's exactly how I felt. After my first encounter wth Liara in ME2 I actually started using an ME save where I hadn't romanced anyone for all ME2 games I started beyond that. I thought "Why bother romancing her when Bioware effectively kills the relationship like that?"

That's how I felt with Ashley.  If they do it to Tali in ME3, I'm not sure what I'll do

[Shazzammer2]

HK01 wrote...

Somebody1003 wrote...

HK01 wrote...

Somebody1003 wrote...

Kaiden tells you about his past in the Biotic school though, and what went on there.

And I dont know I just liked Liara, their really isnt much backstory to her since she is very young for an asari and all she has done is studied prothean ruins.

That's all there was to Kaidan though. I was happy to kill him off on Virmire

I dont know I kinda liked him as a friend. He seemed to be rational and stay cool unlike Ashley.

But Ashley at least had personality.

Yesh but she was a xenophobe!

Modifié par Shazzammer2, 13 mars 2010 - 04:35 .

[Shazzammer2]

Darth Cheesecake wrote...

Shazzammer2 wrote...

Darth Cheesecake wrote...

Shazzammer2 wrote...

Somebody1003 wrote...

Shazzammer2 wrote...

I know it may sound stupid but, why buy the comic? It should have been included in the game. The devs should have made some sort of flashback scene or something. But  im not going to say no more. Lots of poeple have a problem with the scene in the office.

Well you could possibly find it online.
Although Liara does tell you a little bit as to why she has become so cold once you help her deal with the observer.

true, after she explained it a little the connection was sort of back. But, she has changed. She's not the Asari I once knew in ME. She an Asari who's out for vengence. Either way though, I pettied her. It would be interesting to see her in ME3 though.

Way I see it you will probably have the option of (Paragon) helping her get back to old Liara or (Renegade) pushing her all the way into being a Darth Liara.

Hmm that's an interesting thought! Wonder if she goes back trying to become an LI for shep. Who to chose who to chose....hmmm. Tali for sure! =]

Yeah I think that "good" Liara would shyly ask if Shepard would tak her back and "evil" Liara would try to "convince" you to take her back.

oh snap PLOT TWIST. Renegade Liara doesn't just convince you .... she becomes a Morinth! Oh snap! Thus, Samara returns! :lol:=]. My mind is filled with excitement!

Modifié par Shazzammer2, 13 mars 2010 - 04:38 .

[HK01]

Somebody1003 wrote...

HK01 wrote...


But Ashley at least had personality.

Why did you like her over Kaiden?
I liked em both but she was a bit of a xenophobe, and she had a bad temper.
Plus she wasnt very nice to Liara.

Because Kaidan is bland

[Lord Abrasion]

Phil725 wrote...

Lord Abrasion wrote...

HK01 wrote...

Darth Cheesecake wrote...

Somebody1003 wrote...

Yeah, some people just used her since Tali wasnt a LI in ME1.

That wasn't the only reason she was so...awkward and I found that endearing...

True, that was kind of cute. But all that is gone in ME2. I really don't know what the hell happened, but they messed her up as a character. Any interest in her died after five seconds in her office

That's exactly how I felt. After my first encounter wth Liara in ME2 I actually started using an ME save where I hadn't romanced anyone for all ME2 games I started beyond that. I thought "Why bother romancing her when Bioware effectively kills the relationship like that?"

That's how I felt with Ashley.  If they do it to Tali in ME3, I'm not sure what I'll do

I had such a "Et tu, Ashley?" moment on Horizon. Both the Council and Alliance repay you by dragging your name through the mud. Ashley was with me (and Tali) when we battled Robo-Frogger, yet she still buys their crap like a mindless tool and gives me another stab in the back. Had I been Renegade I'd been tempted to shoot her in the face.

[HK01]

Shazzammer2 wrote...

oh snap PLOT TWIST. Renegade Liara doesn't just convince you .... she becomes a Morinth! Oh snap! Thus, Samara returns! :lol:=]. My mind is filled with excitement!

Yeah, I need mah Samara in ME3.

[HK01]

Lord Abrasion wrote...


I had such a "Et tu, Ashley?" moment on Horizon. Both the Council and Alliance repay you by dragging your name through the mud. Ashley was with me (and Tali) when we battled Robo-Frogger, yet she still buys their crap like a mindless tool and gives me another stab in the back. Had I been Renegade I'd been tempted to shoot her in the face.

Is there such a renegade interrupt? If so, next time I'm on Horizon I'm totally gonna do it

[Phil725]

Darth Cheesecake wrote...

Archonsg wrote...

*snip*

Precisely.
Now, as much as I would like to see the entire Galaxy fighting side by side along Shepard at the end, meaning, you'll Krogan, Rachni (wouldn't that be great, A Rachni squadmate?) Turian, Quarian (TALI! ) Human, Batarian and yes, Blasto the first Hanar Spectre, I don't think this is gonna happen. 

But, Bioware can make those choices count in other ways, Rachni and Krogan fight side by side in a holding war, Quarians and Geth working hand in hand running cyberwarfare countermeasures, hell, even Batarians and humans marines fighting alongside each other.  For the Paragaons, that imagery in itself exemplifies the Pargaon Shepard, two mortal enemies working together to save the galaxy. While the Renegade path shows a more darker, ruthless "human-centric" force over-running everything, using the other races as "shocktroops / cannon fodder.

oh I thought a Renegade Shepard would grind the aliens into paste and make an army of Reapers.

I don't know why people assume the collector base is only for grinding people into reaper paste.  The reapers are super advanced, and never expected anyone to reach there.  There could be any amount of useful technology to defeat the reapers.

I also disagree with renegade automatically be linked to human first.  That's one possible path of renegade, not the only one.  I'm a renegade who is still on very good terms with all alien races.

[Shazzammer2]

Lord Abrasion wrote...

Phil725 wrote...

Lord Abrasion wrote...

HK01 wrote...

Darth Cheesecake wrote...

Somebody1003 wrote...

Yeah, some people just used her since Tali wasnt a LI in ME1.

That wasn't the only reason she was so...awkward and I found that endearing...

True, that was kind of cute. But all that is gone in ME2. I really don't know what the hell happened, but they messed her up as a character. Any interest in her died after five seconds in her office

That's exactly how I felt. After my first encounter wth Liara in ME2 I actually started using an ME save where I hadn't romanced anyone for all ME2 games I started beyond that. I thought "Why bother romancing her when Bioware effectively kills the relationship like that?"

That's how I felt with Ashley.  If they do it to Tali in ME3, I'm not sure what I'll do

I had such a "Et tu, Ashley?" moment on Horizon. Both the Council and Alliance repay you by dragging your name through the mud. Ashley was with me (and Tali) when we battled Robo-Frogger, yet she still buys their crap like a mindless tool and gives me another stab in the back. Had I been Renegade I'd been tempted to shoot her in the face.

Ugh hatedd that scene. I was happy so see Ashley and she's all like "no shepard, your a traitor! Unlike you, I have alliance in my blood!!" Excuse me??!! Im sorry Ash but I think you missed the part where I nearly died trying to protect humanities interest! Ugh...so ugh!! and yet :crying:

[Archonsg]

Darth Cheesecake wrote...oh I thought a Renegade Shepard would grind the aliens into paste and make an army of Reapers.

Make reapers from other races and create a more "powerful" race that's not human? Nahh....
They might make cyborgs with reaper tech though. Depending on how you played the game, Pure Renegade Shepard seems to appear as a bigoted moron. He's *very* power centric and very anti-alien, or very non-pro alien depending on your point of view. Just seeing him / her kick Tali when she's down...No friend would do that to anyone they care about. Even if they aren't a LI.

[Lord Abrasion]

Darth Cheesecake wrote...

Lord Abrasion wrote...

Phil725 wrote...

Lord Abrasion wrote...

HK01 wrote...

Darth Cheesecake wrote...

Somebody1003 wrote...

Yeah, some people just used her since Tali wasnt a LI in ME1.

That wasn't the only reason she was so...awkward and I found that endearing...

True, that was kind of cute. But all that is gone in ME2. I really don't know what the hell happened, but they messed her up as a character. Any interest in her died after five seconds in her office

That's exactly how I felt. After my first encounter wth Liara in ME2 I actually started using an ME save where I hadn't romanced anyone for all ME2 games I started beyond that. I thought "Why bother romancing her when Bioware effectively kills the relationship like that?"

That's how I felt with Ashley.  If they do it to Tali in ME3, I'm not sure what I'll do

I had such a "Et tu, Ashley?" moment on Horizon. Both the Council and Alliance repay you by dragging your name through the mud. Ashley was with me (and Tali) when we battled Robo-Frogger, yet she still buys their crap like a mindless tool and gives me another stab in the back. Had I been Renegade I'd been tempted to shoot her in the face.

That or you just let the Collectors take her...she'd do so much better as genetic goo.

If Ashley returns as a potential squad mate in ME3, I'll not recruit her if I can avoid it. I simply lost any and all respect I had for her after that meeting on Horizon.

[Shazzammer2]

Somebody1003 wrote...

Lord Abrasion wrote...

I had such a "Et tu, Ashley?" moment on Horizon. Both the Council and Alliance repay you by dragging your name through the mud. Ashley was with me (and Tali) when we battled Robo-Frogger, yet she still buys their crap like a mindless tool and gives me another stab in the back. Had I been Renegade I'd been tempted to shoot her in the face.

Wow, bit harsh. At least the email she sends shows that she was sorry for what she said and that she cares for you.

wait she sends a message? I never got on in my playthrough, all I got was a bunch of @#$#$%@$% spam mail. Seriously, who puts spam mail in a game! <_<

[Lord Abrasion]

Somebody1003 wrote...

Lord Abrasion wrote...

I had such a "Et tu, Ashley?" moment on Horizon. Both the Council and Alliance repay you by dragging your name through the mud. Ashley was with me (and Tali) when we battled Robo-Frogger, yet she still buys their crap like a mindless tool and gives me another stab in the back. Had I been Renegade I'd been tempted to shoot her in the face.

Wow, bit harsh. At least the email she sends shows that she was sorry for what she said and that she cares for you.

You only get that if you romanced her.