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[sergio71785]

 With all this talk of ME3's ending, perhaps I should repost my super-cheesy-cliche ME3 ending thing from yesterday. 

[The_KFD_Case]

Geth Hunter Alpha wrote...

Well Samara is sorta the opposite of that. Letting the lack of emotion to allow her to do things that most wouldnt normally consider an act of integrity. Like murdering a good cop for doing her job.

If you engage Samara in conversation she states that the code does not exist for moral enlightenment but as a means of punishing the wicked. She isn't oblivious to the criticism her code faces at the hands of moralistic dissenters yet she remains unapologetic for carrying out the very black-or-white teachings of the code. It is impressive in one regard while disturbing in another, IMO. Again though, if you speak to her at length it isn't that she doesn't have emotions nor is incapable of friendly discussions; her discipline does not remove these parts of her persona, it simply helps her override them. That is different from being devoid of understanding and knowing what compassion is for example, even if the physical end results may amount to much the same thing.

[NuclearBuddha]

Rakia_Time wrote...

NuclearBuddha wrote...


THIS.  Sad endings in movies or books can be pleasantly cathartic because there's a distance between the audience and the material.  Video games tend to be more immersive and make the tragedy more personal.

A well made sad ending in a movie or book can also be pretty depressing, but in a game where you're in controll it gets really bad. Still hate Fallout 3 before Broken Steel, and any other game with bad ending i can remember

The ending of FO3 made me furious.  I haven't played that game since completing it.

[NuclearBuddha]

TGFKAMAdmaX wrote...

The_KFD_Case wrote...

Geth Hunter Alpha wrote...

Well Samara is sorta the opposite of that. Letting the lack of emotion to allow her to do things that most wouldnt normally consider an act of integrity. Like murdering a good cop for doing her job.

If you engage Samara in conversation she states that the code does not exist for moral enlightenment but as a means of punishing the wicked. She isn't oblivious to the criticism her code faces at the hands of moralistic dissenters yet she remains unapologetic for carrying out the very black-or-white teachings of the code. It is impressive in one regard while disturbing in another, IMO. Again though, if you speak to her at length it isn't that she doesn't have emotions nor is incapable of friendly discussions; her discipline does not remove these parts of her persona, it simply helps her override them. That is different from being devoid of understanding and knowing what compassion is for example, even if the physical end results may amount to much the same thing.

holy crap!!! u agree with me!!!

KFD's a reasonable dude.

[Pauravi]

Phil725 wrote...

I'm not sure that entirely paragon is going to lead to the best ending, or at least I would be disappointed if that turned out to be the case.  They need to make things more complex than that.  Have the heretic geth or the rachni turn on you, make the collector base important, switch things up.  I really hope they don't just go paragon is the best all throughout.

I hope they don't, too, although they should make it forseeable.

Personally I think that the Rachni are a safe bet.  It is a reward for being able to look past the book's cover.  The Queen was never hostile to you, her story about why the Rachni went crazy seems to fit, and after talking to the Asari lady on Illium I knew it was the right choice.  The Rachni turning on you at this point would seem like random nonsense just for the sake of making a Paragon option go bad.

The Krogan choice, on the other hand, is a tougher one.  Giving the Krogan a cure for the genophage could VERY well have detrimental effects, even in the short term, and may keep Wrex from uniting the clans.  But it is also a morally difficult subject, to purposely keep them sterilized if you have the power to cure them.  I personally lean towards Renegade in that instance.

The Geth is a good point, as well.  The effects of allowing the Heretics to share their experiences with the greater Geth collective is uncertain.  Then again, knowing about how the influence of the Reapers works may be an important boon for the Geth in resisting its effects.  It is hard to say.

[danteshepard]

Hey everybody, life treatin ya good?

Just finished uploading my oneshot collection into my blog. link to the latest chapter in siggy.

[Phil725]

Rakia_Time wrote...

Phil725 wrote...


Yeah if thats actually in the game I'll concede on that point.  I've never seen that dialogue.  I still doubt how true it  actually is that she'll kill you though, there are much worse people who need dealt with than renegade Shep.

Yes there are, but isn't it easier to start with the one that's aboard the same ship as you are 

Well there's also the fact that Samara is intelligent.  A die trying, or doom the galaxy situation is kind of lose/lose

[Gerudan]

TGFKAMAdmaX wrote...

i dont think she doesnt think for herself...i think she just agrees that much with the code...

She would kill a policewoman because the code compels her to do it, that would fit my definition of "not thinking for herself".  

[huntrrz]

Rakia_Time wrote...

Associating Tali with Michael Jackson , thanks, i'm gonna have nightmares because of you 

Hey, I'm not the one who colored the pic that way.

Just pointing out that that might not be the best depiction, after all.

[The_KFD_Case]

TGFKAMAdmaX wrote...

Geth Hunter Alpha wrote...

Well Samara is sorta the opposite of that. Letting the lack of emotion to allow her to do things that most wouldnt normally consider an act of integrity. Like murdering a good cop for doing her job.

correction... u got me... i forgot about that... like their intentions...but i was surprised at that...only expllanation i can think of is that she viewed the cop as aiding and abetting the criminal by holding her...

While we consider the thought of Samara killing a cop attempting to carry out her job by placing her in a prison cell abhorrent, consider this: The cop is carrying out the orders of a suspect bureacrat whom may be corupt. While not the cop's fault, acting to restrict the justicar's ability to seek out wrong doers and punishing them is unacceptable from the code's perspective since it ends up aiding and abetting the wrong doers. Thus the code dictates the justicar must use any means necessary to protect her ability to carry out the main mission. It is an extreme yet logical doctrine by our moral perspective and the code is not supposd to be about morality and enlightenment, but rather about punishing wrong doers as Samara explains it.

Modifié par The_KFD_Case, 13 mars 2010 - 11:26 .

[timedrake32]

thx god back from work... it sucks not reading any post. Miss talking about tali and other fun stuff. So what did i miss anything new?

[Sky Shadowing]

What would the worst possible ending be? An ending where you have to choose who dies- Shepard, or his love interest.



Shepard or Tali? No happy ending either way.



I would die inside.



Thinking back on it, Bioware doesn't make a habit of making a game where the player's only choice is to die. NWN, player survives.



I can honestly foresee that the "super-paragon ending" that requires you to have finished Mass Effect 1 and 2 paragon will allow the player to live with his LI.

[Angelraid]

The_KFD_Case wrote...

Geth Hunter Alpha wrote...

Well Samara is sorta the opposite of that. Letting the lack of emotion to allow her to do things that most wouldnt normally consider an act of integrity. Like murdering a good cop for doing her job.

If you engage Samara in conversation she states that the code does not exist for moral enlightenment but as a means of punishing the wicked. She isn't oblivious to the criticism her code faces at the hands of moralistic dissenters yet she remains unapologetic for carrying out the very black-or-white teachings of the code. It is impressive in one regard while disturbing in another, IMO. Again though, if you speak to her at length it isn't that she doesn't have emotions nor is incapable of friendly discussions; her discipline does not remove these parts of her persona, it simply helps her override them. That is different from being devoid of understanding and knowing what compassion is for example, even if the physical end results may amount to much the same thing.

To punish the wicked yes. But the code dictates the same punishment no matter what the crime. death. furthermore the crux the becomes what is wickedness. Everyone is guilty to some extent. which would lead to universal genocide. Even the justicars themselves are not above reproach yet they do not commit suicide for thier own actions. which is hypocracy. another turn off.

[huntrrz]

NuclearBuddha wrote...

Here's the joke I was basing it on:
(snip)

Uh...  I still don' geddit.

[TheSleazebag]

This just in; Tali actually has a crush on Zaeed and he's gonna dump you all for him, nobody can resist his manly trail of destruction



And he's gonna become only stronger with your rage because rage is a hell of an anesthetic

[NuclearBuddha]

huntrrz wrote...

NuclearBuddha wrote...

Here's the joke I was basing it on:
(snip)

Uh...  I still don' geddit.

The cuteness overload causes a heart attack.  Like I said, it was kind of obscure.

[Angelraid]

TheSleazebag wrote...

This just in; Tali actually has a crush on Zaeed and he's gonna dump you all for him, nobody can resist his manly trail of destruction

And he's gonna become only stronger with your rage because rage is a hell of an anesthetic

huh, whoda thunk, good think I killed him in my playthrough

[The_KFD_Case]

NuclearBuddha wrote...

The_KFD_Case wrote...

<snip>

Drowned zombie Tali.

Shut your mouth, I like this one!

That's your prerogative. I don't particularly care for it.

[danteshepard]

TheSleazebag wrote...

This just in; Tali actually has a crush on Zaeed and he's gonna dump you all for him, nobody can resist his manly trail of destruction

And he's gonna become only stronger with your rage because rage is a hell of an anesthetic

Gawww look at im, he's trying to troll. Ain't it cute?