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[knight5923]

NuclearBuddha wrote...

Somebody1003 wrote...

knight5923 wrote...

Somebody1003 wrote...
Have some soft baked pretzles instead.

Bah, you tease! I love soft pretzels, but they're so hard to find:crying:

I know!
I havent had one in years.

You guys realize you can buy them frozen, right?  Or barring that, make them yourself?

You, sir, are obviously a mad man:blink:

[The_KFD_Case]

Geth Hunter Alpha wrote...

The_KFD_Case wrote...

Geth Hunter Alpha wrote...

Well Samara is sorta the opposite of that. Letting the lack of emotion to allow her to do things that most wouldnt normally consider an act of integrity. Like murdering a good cop for doing her job.

If you engage Samara in conversation she states that the code does not exist for moral enlightenment but as a means of punishing the wicked. She isn't oblivious to the criticism her code faces at the hands of moralistic dissenters yet she remains unapologetic for carrying out the very black-or-white teachings of the code. It is impressive in one regard while disturbing in another, IMO. Again though, if you speak to her at length it isn't that she doesn't have emotions nor is incapable of friendly discussions; her discipline does not remove these parts of her persona, it simply helps her override them. That is different from being devoid of understanding and knowing what compassion is for example, even if the physical end results may amount to much the same thing.

To punish the wicked yes. But the code dictates the same punishment no matter what the crime. death. furthermore the crux the becomes what is wickedness. Everyone is guilty to some extent. which would lead to universal genocide. Even the justicars themselves are not above reproach yet they do not commit suicide for thier own actions. which is hypocracy. another turn off.

As Samara points out the Asari justicars are similar to the Council Spectres, though Shepard is correct in pointing out that the Spectres (at least in theory) have some oversight from the Council itself. As with the Spectres so too do I think it is with the justicars: While the justicars are obligated to punish the wicked there may still be some leeway as to which of the wicked they go after first and foremost. Example: Samara on Omega comments on the rampant abuses on Omega, yet she does not stray from her oath to Shepard's mission. Also, before swearing the oath to Shepard, she once had an encounter with a Turian Spectre - she chose to let him escape because he deliberately endangered the lives of many innocents. She chose to save them instead of killing him indicating that she is not without the ability to think for herself even while adhering to the code. If that is the case for her then perhaps some of the other justicars act similarly, just as different Spectres act differently too (i.e. some arrest criminals while others simply kill them where they stand)?

As for justicars not being above reproach I concur. What evidence do we have that if any justicars have gone rogue that they haven't committed suicide? Perhaps some have, perhaps some haven't. If some haven't I strongly suspect that the code would compel other justicars to hunt their former colleague down. We simply do not have enough detailed information about all things justicar to ascertain these things with empirical confidence.

[Lord Abrasion]

knight5923 wrote...

Somebody1003 wrote...

knight5923 wrote...

Oh ya, I'm back for a bit:D looks like dinner's gonna take a while yet

Whats for dinner hamburgers?

Nah, ordering Chinese. But delivery round here is all kindsa slow<_<

Chinese?

[Pauravi]

Geth Hunter Alpha wrote...

All the references to punishment in the game are death so thats where I draw my conclusion.

Yes, but my point was that you don't know what crimes the Code concerns itself with.
You said that the punishment for everything, no matter the crime, is death.  But if the Code doesn't concern itself with thing that are not "capital offenses", so to speak, then this is of no consequence.

As to the issue of what is wickedness that is basically what I was saying. But to illistrate. If killing someone is wicked - and the punishment is to kill them - then you have killed someone - for which the punishment is death. By following the code you essentially break the code, but its ok cuase you were following the code. Hypocracy.

But the Code clearly doesn't say killing anyone is wicked, it says killing innocents is wicked.  If you kill someone who has killed innocents, you are killing the wicked.  Which is not wicked.  Because they aren't innocent.  So... yeah.  No hipocrisy.

[Angelraid]

Somebody1003 wrote...

NuclearBuddha wrote...

Somebody1003 wrote...

knight5923 wrote...

Somebody1003 wrote...
Have some soft baked pretzles instead.

Bah, you tease! I love soft pretzels, but they're so hard to find:crying:

I know!
I havent had one in years.

You guys realize you can buy them frozen, right?  Or barring that, make them yourself?

Oh yeah, I forgot about that.
You just made me very happy, tomorrow Im heading to the supermarket.

But the frozen ones are never the same. It's like frozen pizza. Its just not as good as Pizza Hut (or w/e your favorite parlor is)

[Felipe 058]

knight5923 wrote...

Felipe 058 wrote...
Yeah, living near Philly, you find them everywhere. Literally. They grow on trees in some places, though pretzel bushes are far more common.

I think southern Canada is outside of the growth range of the pretzel bush:(

I live in West Chester, about 45 minutes away from Philly, and we don't have any. You have to drive about twenty minutes east before you start to see them, so I feel your pain.

[Angelraid]

Pauravi wrote...

Geth Hunter Alpha wrote...

All the references to punishment in the game are death so thats where I draw my conclusion.

Yes, but my point was that you don't know what crimes the Code concerns itself with.
You said that the punishment for everything, no matter the crime, is death.  But if the Code doesn't concern itself with thing that are not "capital offenses", so to speak, then this is of no consequence.

As to the issue of what is wickedness that is basically what I was saying. But to illistrate. If killing someone is wicked - and the punishment is to kill them - then you have killed someone - for which the punishment is death. By following the code you essentially break the code, but its ok cuase you were following the code. Hypocracy.

But the Code clearly doesn't say killing anyone is wicked, it says killing innocents is wicked.  If you kill someone who has killed innocents, you are killing the wicked.  Which is not wicked.  Because they aren't innocent.  So... yeah.  No hipocrisy.

Ah yes, innocent. But then that just another sidestep. Becuase now it is how do you define innocent. No one is totally innocent, not even justicars. and thus all the same points apply.

[The_KFD_Case]

sergio71785 wrote...

ME3's ending:
*Shepard and Tali are onboard some frigate alone for some reason*

Tali: Shepard, Harbinger is preparing his dark energy beam! He's going to use it  destablize Sol, we have to destroy the beam emitter!

Shepard: This is bad...our weapons are still offline.

Tali: What are we going to do?

*Shepard thinks for a while, then looks at Tali, and smiles*

Shepard: I have a plan. Do you have antibiotics with you?

Tali: Of course, Quarians always keep some on them, but how's that going to help--

*Shepard interupts Tali by putting his hands on her helmet and removes her mask. He kisses her*

Shepard: Use them.

*Shepard then grabs Tali, and pushes her into a nearby escape pod, and seals the door*

Shepard: Goodbye, Tali. I love you.

*Tali pounds on the glass*

Tali: Shepard no! We can find another way!

*Shepard hits the eject button, and the escape pod flies away. He then precedes to fly the ship straight into the Reaper's dark energy weapon, destroying it with a huge explosion*

...

A while later everyone is abord the Normandy, Tali included, all sad and crying over Shepard's death. Until suddenly, EDI picks up a transmission from a nearby escape pod, and sensors show lifesigns aboard it. The escape pod is from the exact same frigate Shepard was on. 

------------------------

Yeah, it's cheesy and cliche as hell. And you know what? Not a single one of you won't have a huge grin at that point! 

I began to feel choked up the same way I did when I read the fanfic "My Lessons, My Mistakes"....Then I came to your ending and it helped avert a Tali-system-crash.

[knight5923]

Darth Cheesecake wrote...
I have to ask KFD have you ever lost a logical debate?

lol no, opponents get half way through his paragraphs and  throw up there hands yelling "This is too hard!":crying:

[NuclearBuddha]

Geth Hunter Alpha wrote...

Somebody1003 wrote...

NuclearBuddha wrote...

You guys realize you can buy them frozen, right?  Or barring that, make them yourself?

Oh yeah, I forgot about that.
You just made me very happy, tomorrow Im heading to the supermarket.

But the frozen ones are never the same. It's like frozen pizza. Its just not as good as Pizza Hut (or w/e your favorite parlor is)

Gotta take what you can get.

[Geth Knight]

This is a fan mod and funny as hell.

[Gerudan]

knight5923 wrote...

Darth Cheesecake wrote...
I have to ask KFD have you ever lost a logical debate?

lol no, opponents get half way through his paragraphs and  throw up there hands yelling "This is too hard!":crying:

And then the go and read "War and Peace". 

(Great book by the way) 

[NuclearBuddha]

TGFKAMAdmaX wrote...

knight5923 wrote...

Darth Cheesecake wrote...
I have to ask KFD have you ever lost a logical debate?

lol no, opponents get half way through his paragraphs and  throw up there hands yelling "This is too hard!":crying:

didn't smara say its part of the code to save the innocents over hunting nihlus?

Yeah, that's how Nihlus got away.