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[Gerudan]

Darth Cheesecake wrote...

The Justicar debate I'll solve it for you, Justicars do stuff, this stuff is somewhat controversial, ergo people will always disagree about them, in summary this "battle" will never stop until Bioware clearly states either the Justicar code or some other explantion of their methodology...so any speculation is basically groundless.

The ":whistle:" didn't gave my irony away, I take it. 

[The_KFD_Case]

Gerudan wrote...

The_KFD_Case wrote...

Presuming Samara were to be killed in the process, yes, but her dying in such a confrontation is not a given no matter how much you may wish to present it as such. Disingenuous of you and it hurts your credibility on all other matters in the process.

Parauvi, I and others have already repeatedly gone over the bit about "black and white" bit with you. Each time the scenarios you have presented have been beaten down by rational and logical arguments. The main issue at stake seems to have more to do with your self-proclaimed dislike of the code despite knowing precious little about the code. Ironically you are now stating what she should do...much like the way the "black and white" code apparently does. Like I stated previously: Hypocrisy.

She can only work here with possibilities. How bad is the chance for her to die, how high is the chance for her to catch Morinth without the information, how high is the chance to find the information and get away etc. 

That should be exactly the things she should (and probably do) think about. But it doesn't even matter, what the outcome of all of this thinking is, the code compels her to follow a certain path. Which also means they could simply put her into a cell in such a way, that she couldn't escape at all. 

No, you didn't beat down anything, since you still lack one single argument for the code at all. 
I don't state her what to do, I merely would advise her to think for herself and take the path, that will most likely lead to Morinth's death without endangering innocent policemen. But due to the code she can't do that and that makes the code worthless, even dangerous in my eyes. If that is hypocrisy in your eyes, I can gladly live with that. 

Precisely, and staying cooped up in jail remains - unsurprisingly - one of the sure ways that she will not be able to continue her investigation. It will also prevent her from punishing the wicked and protecting the innocent as the code compels her to do. Which is amongst the reasons why she, as a Justicar, is commanded by the code to resist being arrested using lethal force if need be. This has already been covered numerous times before and whether you ask the same question and/or raise the same so-calle alternatives that do not provide her with the information she seeks, it will remain unchanged. If you wish to keep asking the same question and/or bringing up the same well intentioned but naive alternatives then I direct you the existing posts that already exist which logically and methodically spell out the answer(s) to the question(s) and address why your stated alternatives are not viable.

In order for the police to place Samara in a cell that she can not escape from will require at least two things: 1) That they have such a facility (which remains unknown at present time), and 2) that they catch Samara (which hasn't happened and there are good odds that whichever officers try to do this will die on the spot - with a large police force in tow they might succeed though it seems more likely that it would be a question of how large the body count is before either Samara is dead or the police sent to arrest her retreat or are all dead). I will add that whatever Samara's chances of getting the information and catching Morinth, they will be almost infinitely higher with Samara not in jail and able to actively pursue her. This will require her not being in jail which in turn will mean that she will have to fight her way out (until Shepard promises to help and succeeds,) since the local corruption makes it unlikely, if not impossible, for her to be able to count on the locals to provide her with the information she seeks.

It is your prerogative to feel that way however the logic that has been presented in numerous counter-arguments to your assertions and claims states otherwise. That you don't agree with this does not change that, and yes it does make your words on this matter hypocritical which in turn weakens your position and puts you right where I want you.

Modifié par The_KFD_Case, 14 mars 2010 - 04:31 .

[Phil725]

Darth Cheesecake wrote...

Phil725 wrote...

Darth Cheesecake wrote...

Just finished ME2 run and now I have a question, what Renegade interrupt or response of any kind made you feel the worst?

We're in the Tali thread, that question needs qualified with; "except for giving the evidence in Tali's trial" if you want some different answers.

Thank you for correcting me Phil now "what Renegade interrupt or response of any kind (excepting giving the evidence at the trial) made you feel the worst?"

While I haven't done either, the option with Harrot and Kenn on Omega where you tell him to shut him down, and ratting Mouse out to whats his name both sound pretty bad.  I try to avoid decisions where I could feel bad for the most part though

[Alanosborn1991]

Ima let you finish but Tali is the hottest girl in the galaxy!

[Marstead]

Meta-Scourge wrote...

While exploring the extranet this terminal has stumbled apoun this possible creator tali reference

While I'm not a huge fan, this is probably the most canonically accurate attempt yet, because it takes into account the book's mention of "What would pass for ears on a quarian" and Grunt's mention of quarians not being "fleshy" like asari/humans/salarians and having stronger spines.

She's also alien enough to be reasonably different from humans. I'm guessing if we ever find out their canonical appearance, it'll be close to this.

[RogueWriter3201]

DrathanGervaise wrote...

glenboy24 wrote...

sergio71785 wrote...

I seriously like that line-art of Tail.

It's very sensual, but at the same time, it doesn't feel explicit or "out of character" for her. I can imagine her sitting like that, in what's a relatively modest pose, yet suggesting enough to let Shepard know she wants a fever the following day.

Roflmao. This. Comment caught me off guard. Made me laugh
insanely hard. Not sure why.

You should go lie down.

I should lie down?
What? Why? If there's a pun there, it's lost on me...

[Goat_Shepard]

Phil725 wrote...

Goat_Shepard wrote...

So what's the consensus? How can she be in ME3 with as a big a role as ME2 if she can die? Is Kal'Reegar going to replace the Tali that dies in anyone's ME2 import? What does that mean for the amount of content we'll get. Are they writing dialogue for possible 16+ squadmates?

Many questions are many.

Kal can die as well.  He won't be the replacement if there is one.  My personal opinion is that there won't be any replacement at all, just the minimum 4 or 5 characters if you killed as many people as possible, and possibly 1 or 2 new characters.  If a character died in your game, they just aren't there.

No reason she can't have just as big of a role in the next one.  I trust that Bioware can come up with alternate realities without each character.  And can't see them penalizing people that saved everyone.

But how can she have as big a roll in ME2 as she did in ME3 if she can die? Let's say Shepard has to go to the Flotilla again to get their help against the Reapers. Wait a minute I just figured it out, those that have Tali will have sweet cutscenes and extra dialogue when you meet the Quarians again, and those that don't are going to be alone and awkward saying "Oh yeah, I got your girl genius killed, so can you help me out with the Reapers?"

I think I'm right.

[Gerudan]

The_KFD_Case wrote...


Precisely, and staying cooped up in jail remains - unsurprisingly - one of the sure ways that she will not be able to continue her investigation. 

Then she shouldn't get herself arrested in the first place. Oh no wait, she has to, because the code compels her to do so, which gives the police ample time to get her locked away in an special security cell, form which she can't break free. 

It is your prerogative to feel that way however the logic that has been presented in numerous counter-arguments to your assertions and claims states otherwise. That you don't agree with this does not change that, and yes it does make your words on this matter hypocritical which in turn weakens your position and puts you right where I want you.

You still didn't present any counter argument at all, merely stating, that I would be wrong and you would be right is no real argument in your course. 

But let's do it the other way: Show me that the actions the code orders Samara to do in this situation are the best solution for her (waiting 24h, then try to break free to continue the investigation). 

[RogueWriter3201]

Marstead wrote...

Meta-Scourge wrote...

While exploring the extranet this terminal has stumbled apoun this possible creator tali reference

While I'm not a huge fan, this is probably the most canonically accurate attempt yet, because it takes into account the book's mention of "What would pass for ears on a quarian" and Grunt's mention of quarians not being "fleshy" like asari/humans/salarians and having stronger spines.

She's also alien enough to be reasonably different from humans. I'm guessing if we ever find out their canonical appearance, it'll be close to this.

What?! Sorry, I mean, to each there own, but, there is NO way
this is the most canonically accurate art piece. Sorry, she
looks like a lizard, and as we know the Quarian people decended
from a Quasi-Simian species on Rannoch, so...yeah, thier not
Lizards. If you want an accurate Art piece look for Master_Cyrus
"Her Face" on DeviantArt. That's the most accurate depiction of
Tali Zorah.

[The_KFD_Case]

TGFKAMAdmaX wrote...

The_KFD_Case wrote...

TGFKAMAdmaX wrote...

ur still arguing about this???

Yes.

i thought that i beat him/her, then paur, and now you??? how many lives does she/he have???

It matters not for he has not based his arguments on sound logic and thus they have been brushed aside though he claims otherwise (unsurprisingly really). Whether it takes 5 hours, 5 months or 5 years or more to break and banish these nonsensical arguments that are presented will be what it will be. While I would prefer to be able to quickly put such tomfoolery to rest and move on to other matters I will not shy away from committing whatever resources are necessary to stamp this disingenuous and misleading hypocrisy out.