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[Katosu]

Pauravi wrote...

Katosu wrote...

Ah, you're right. It'd definently have to be one of the eyesets that displays Tali's eyes as having a more vibrant "Glow" to them than a regular humans.

I think that the glow in the mask is just to make her face more expressive, personally.
Glowing eyes doesn't make any sense from a biological perspective.  It would hinder vision, perhaps even to the point of blindness.

Also, Vespaz is right; glowing eyes just do not look friendly or personable.  They don't fit with Tali's personality.

A very simple explanation that, if you wanted to give a scientific term, is that the Quarians designed the masks to have that slight glow reflected on the outside to give people a point of reference.

A lot of people seek to make eye contact during conversations, while others seek to downright avoid it due to the cultural differences (Respect vs. Confrontational), so either way the Quarians could be trying to give a way of saying "This is where my eyes are, meet them or not - it's up to you."

[HK01]

iNixiRir wrote...

Hmm, is anybody friends with the topicstarter? I would like to see all the new fanart getting posted in the OP.

Sorrow made a big speech about how disappointed he was in us and left the thread

[Beyonder101]

maybe the eyes only glow in the dark (like cats) . Since the visor is opaque, probably the glowing effect gets stronger.

[poisonoustea]

Thats the same like saying that the turian mouth also makes no biological sense, or that 3 fingers also has no sense. A species adapts. Thats called evolution.

It's quite different from glowing eyes. As others pointed out, that would impair vision as eyes are universally designed to receive light, not to emit it.

maybe the eyes only glow in the dark (like cats)

Cat eyes reflect light in the darkness due to exposed retinas; they don't really glow.

Personally, I like to think the glow is due to the polarization or material of the visor, which makes the lighter areas behind it seem to glow - If I were the artist, the only change I would make would be to lighten her irises to a near-white color, so that the 'light-areas glowing' thing would be more coherent.

Modifié par poisonoustea, 14 mars 2010 - 01:52 .

[sihill90]

I've got to get my sorry ass back to the Uni

Have a good day everyone !

(and read 'n' comment on my fanfic )

[Driving Ghost]

Katosu wrote...

Pauravi wrote...

Katosu wrote...

Ah, you're right. It'd definently have to be one of the eyesets that displays Tali's eyes as having a more vibrant "Glow" to them than a regular humans.

I think that the glow in the mask is just to make her face more expressive, personally.
Glowing eyes doesn't make any sense from a biological perspective.  It would hinder vision, perhaps even to the point of blindness.

Also, Vespaz is right; glowing eyes just do not look friendly or personable.  They don't fit with Tali's personality.

A very simple explanation that, if you wanted to give a scientific term, is that the Quarians designed the masks to have that slight glow reflected on the outside to give people a point of reference.

A lot of people seek to make eye contact during conversations, while others seek to downright avoid it due to the cultural differences (Respect vs. Confrontational), so either way the Quarians could be trying to give a way of saying "This is where my eyes are, meet them or not - it's up to you."

I still don't think that makes sense. The quarians know they spent most of their life on the ship, why do they have to make  "eye" contact? That is only required with different species, because they don't understand what its like to live in a suit. (not volus thou)

[timedrake32]

HK01 wrote...

iNixiRir wrote...

Hmm, is anybody friends with the topicstarter? I would like to see all the new fanart getting posted in the OP.

Sorrow made a big speech about how disappointed he was in us and left the thread

wow he needs to lighten up a bet:whistle:

[Driving Ghost]

HK01 wrote...

iNixiRir wrote...

Hmm, is anybody friends with the topicstarter? I would like to see all the new fanart getting posted in the OP.

Sorrow made a big speech about how disappointed he was in us and left the thread

Do you perhaps have a link to the page? I'd like to read it :happy:

[HK01]

Driving Ghost wrote...

Katosu wrote...

Pauravi wrote...

Katosu wrote...

Ah, you're right. It'd definently have to be one of the eyesets that displays Tali's eyes as having a more vibrant "Glow" to them than a regular humans.

I think that the glow in the mask is just to make her face more expressive, personally.
Glowing eyes doesn't make any sense from a biological perspective.  It would hinder vision, perhaps even to the point of blindness.

Also, Vespaz is right; glowing eyes just do not look friendly or personable.  They don't fit with Tali's personality.

A very simple explanation that, if you wanted to give a scientific term, is that the Quarians designed the masks to have that slight glow reflected on the outside to give people a point of reference.

A lot of people seek to make eye contact during conversations, while others seek to downright avoid it due to the cultural differences (Respect vs. Confrontational), so either way the Quarians could be trying to give a way of saying "This is where my eyes are, meet them or not - it's up to you."

I still don't think that makes sense. The quarians know they spent most of their life on the ship, why do they have to make  "eye" contact? That is only required with different species, because they don't understand what its like to live in a suit. (not volus thou)

I'm pretty sure they were used to eye contact before living in suits

[Pauravi]

Driving Ghost wrote...

Thats the same like saying that the turian mouth also makes no biological sense, or that 3 fingers also has no sense. A species adapts. Thats called evolution.

No, it isn't the same.  It would be impossible to see if your eyeball emitted light.  It would be like walking around with a flashlight pointed in your eye all the time if the same organ that was responsible for detecting light were also emitting it.  There just isn't really any way around it.  Even if just the iris was glowing, diffusion and internal reflection in the cornea would reflect light back onto the retina and blind them.

[Driving Ghost]

HK01 wrote...

Driving Ghost wrote...

Katosu wrote...

Pauravi wrote...

Katosu wrote...

Ah, you're right. It'd definently have to be one of the eyesets that displays Tali's eyes as having a more vibrant "Glow" to them than a regular humans.

I think that the glow in the mask is just to make her face more expressive, personally.
Glowing eyes doesn't make any sense from a biological perspective.  It would hinder vision, perhaps even to the point of blindness.

Also, Vespaz is right; glowing eyes just do not look friendly or personable.  They don't fit with Tali's personality.

A very simple explanation that, if you wanted to give a scientific term, is that the Quarians designed the masks to have that slight glow reflected on the outside to give people a point of reference.

A lot of people seek to make eye contact during conversations, while others seek to downright avoid it due to the cultural differences (Respect vs. Confrontational), so either way the Quarians could be trying to give a way of saying "This is where my eyes are, meet them or not - it's up to you."

I still don't think that makes sense. The quarians know they spent most of their life on the ship, why do they have to make  "eye" contact? That is only required with different species, because they don't understand what its like to live in a suit. (not volus thou)

I'm pretty sure they were used to eye contact before living in suits

Haha, thats great but quarians don't get to be 300 years old. They don't know what it was like before their "exile" into space.

[HK01]

Driving Ghost wrote...

HK01 wrote...

Sorrow made a big speech about how disappointed he was in us and left the thread

Do you perhaps have a link to the page? I'd like to read it :happy:

I really don't remember. However, I think someone quoted it yesterday evening, around page 2710-2720, I'm not sure though.

[Pauravi]

Driving Ghost wrote...

Haha, thats great but quarians don't get to be 300 years old. They don't know what it was like before their "exile" into space.

But reading facial expressions is something we have evolved to do, it is instinct.  No one has to explain to you what an angry face looks like, you just know.  Quarians DO still see each others faces before adolescence, the instinct is not gone.

[Driving Ghost]

Pauravi wrote...

Driving Ghost wrote...

Thats the same like saying that the turian mouth also makes no biological sense, or that 3 fingers also has no sense. A species adapts. Thats called evolution.

No, it isn't the same.  It would be impossible to see if your eyeball emitted light.  It would be like walking around with a flashlight pointed in your eye all the time if the same organ that was responsible for detecting light were also emitting it.  There just isn't really any way around it.  Even if just the iris was glowing, diffusion and internal reflection in the cornea would reflect light back onto the retina and blind them.

Ok. But what if the mask doesn't reflect the light of their eyes?

I might be missing the point, thou.

[HK01]

Driving Ghost wrote...

HK01 wrote...

I'm pretty sure they were used to eye contact before living in suits

Haha, thats great but quarians don't get to be 300 years old. They don't know what it was like before their "exile" into space.

But it would have carried over. They started using suits, the first generation was uncomfortable with not seeing eyes so they added that effect and every successive generation grew up with eye contact too.

I can't imagine how you can overcome the need for eye-contact. There needs to be some point on the other's face that you can focus on while having a conversation.

[Katosu]

Driving Ghost wrote...

HK01 wrote...

Driving Ghost wrote...

Katosu wrote...

Pauravi wrote...

Katosu wrote...

Ah, you're right. It'd definently have to be one of the eyesets that displays Tali's eyes as having a more vibrant "Glow" to them than a regular humans.

I think that the glow in the mask is just to make her face more expressive, personally.
Glowing eyes doesn't make any sense from a biological perspective.  It would hinder vision, perhaps even to the point of blindness.

Also, Vespaz is right; glowing eyes just do not look friendly or personable.  They don't fit with Tali's personality.

A very simple explanation that, if you wanted to give a scientific term, is that the Quarians designed the masks to have that slight glow reflected on the outside to give people a point of reference.

A lot of people seek to make eye contact during conversations, while others seek to downright avoid it due to the cultural differences (Respect vs. Confrontational), so either way the Quarians could be trying to give a way of saying "This is where my eyes are, meet them or not - it's up to you."

I still don't think that makes sense. The quarians know they spent most of their life on the ship, why do they have to make  "eye" contact? That is only required with different species, because they don't understand what its like to live in a suit. (not volus thou)

I'm pretty sure they were used to eye contact before living in suits

Haha, thats great but quarians don't get to be 300 years old. They don't know what it was like before their "exile" into space.

Well, it may just be my human/american mindset to want eye contact, but Tali has made a comment about having to take the considerations of the crew in mind in everything you do. If you can't make eyecontact, you're going to become a lot more impersonal. You may grow detatched from the rest of your crew and lose some loyalty of the men if you can't make eye contact.

In many ways, I think it'd be problematic not to have "Eyes" at all, because then you lose a point of reference and things become a lot less personal / more uncomfortable. People talking to you wonder if you're listening when you aren't making eye contact.

If you get the chance, test it out with a family member the next time you talk to them. Continually avoid eye contact - never meet their eyes. Usually they'll respond with some sort of distress. It's a very psychological / sociological thing.

[Katosu]

Somebody1003 wrote...

Sleepicub09 wrote...
do you not know how long it will take me to get there 

Well folks, we did it. We hit 2000 pages. And quite honestly, I don't
feel like we've accomplished anything. This thread has became a
staggering juggernaut of the Bioware forums, and in its 3rd iteration
has reached a size I could not have imagined.



And I am,
quite frankly, disgusted with how this thread has been conducted.
Ripping on other members, posting pages and pages of spam, occasional
poorly veiled racial comments, excessive quote walls, and going
completely off topic for absolutely nauseating amounts of time.



This
is not to say that everything about this thread has come to destroy my
faith in the forums. In my time here I have seen some spectacular
artwork, some wonderfully deep discussions, and some truly great ideas
that I can only hope the devs on the ME3 team are picking up on.



For
those on the thread who have kept the topic and the faith these many
days, I salute you. To those who have continuously perpetuated the very
things I've just mentioned, you are the reason why, effective
immediately, I am leaving this thread and never looking back, not at
this version or any of the others that will undoubtedly follow.



Keelah
se'lai to you all.

Heres Sorrows woeful essay on how we are bad boys.<_<
I mean really...

^ found it! 

Note to everyone: this is a VERY old post. Please don't respond to this, as it was just a reference for another poster.

[Pauravi]

Driving Ghost wrote...

Pauravi wrote...

Driving Ghost wrote...

Thats the same like saying that the turian mouth also makes no biological sense, or that 3 fingers also has no sense. A species adapts. Thats called evolution.

No, it isn't the same.  It would be impossible to see if your eyeball emitted light.  It would be like walking around with a flashlight pointed in your eye all the time if the same organ that was responsible for detecting light were also emitting it.  There just isn't really any way around it.  Even if just the iris was glowing, diffusion and internal reflection in the cornea would reflect light back onto the retina and blind them.

Ok. But what if the mask doesn't reflect the light of their eyes?

I might be missing the point, thou.

No, the cornea is part of your eye, the mask doesn't need to reflect anything to blind them.
You know the clear stuff covering your lens, iris, and pupil?  That's the cornea.  If your iris glowed, it would reflect the light back into your pupil and onto your retina, where light is detected and sent to your brain.  At the very least this would impair vision by drowning out the light from objects you're looking at.  At worst it would blind you.

[Driving Ghost]

HK01 wrote...

But it would have carried over. They started using suits, the first generation was uncomfortable with not seeing eyes so they added that effect and every successive generation grew up with eye contact too.

I can't imagine how you can overcome the need for eye-contact. There needs to be some point on the other's face that you can focus on while having a conversation.

.
Also, Tali states that they have enough lack of contact, so they get in eachothers buisnesses. It does help me understand the possiblity of adding fake mask eyes, but why would they use resources for that?
We have any proof that quarians even installed such a thing.
All speculation

Infact, this entire discussion about her face is. The greatest kind of debating 

[trashmonk]

Katosu wrote...

*snipped the long speech on how we're all demons*

Note to everyone: this is a VERY old post. Please don't respond to this, as it was just a reference for another poster.

If I had been there at the time, there would have been only two words in my reply : You mad?

Modifié par trashmonk, 14 mars 2010 - 02:07 .

[Driving Ghost]

Pauravi wrote...

No, the cornea is part of your eye, the mask doesn't need to reflect anything to blind them.
You know the clear stuff covering your lens, iris, and pupil?  That's the cornea.  If your iris glowed, it would reflect the light back into your pupil and onto your retina, where light is detected and sent to your brain.  At the very least this would impair vision by drowning out the light from objects you're looking at.  At worst it would blind you.

But could it not be that the quarians don't have this...  "obstacle"?  It's another race, and specifics about their eyes are not told in the books. Just like skin color (sadly)

EDIT: Shortend quote

Modifié par Driving Ghost, 14 mars 2010 - 02:09 .

[Katosu]

trashmonk wrote...

Katosu wrote...

*snipped the long speech on how we're all demons*

Note to everyone: this is a VERY old post. Please don't respond to this, as it was just a reference for another poster.

If I had been there at the time, there would have been only two words in my reply : You mad?

/ragequits

[sihill90]

Driving Ghost wrote...

Pauravi wrote...

No, the cornea is part of your eye, the mask doesn't need to reflect anything to blind them.
You know the clear stuff covering your lens, iris, and pupil?  That's the cornea.  If your iris glowed, it would reflect the light back into your pupil and onto your retina, where light is detected and sent to your brain.  At the very least this would impair vision by drowning out the light from objects you're looking at.  At worst it would blind you.

But could it not be that the quarians don't have this...  "obstacle"?  It's another race, and specifics about their eyes are not told in the books. Just like skin color (sadly)

EDIT: Shortend quote

Light is an electromagnetic wave. Quarian eyes might not be designed to register the wavelenghts emitted by their irises. The same like us not seeing radiowaves >.>

And now i'm off for real.

[Knoll Argonar]

Exatly, glowing eyes doesn't make any real sense biologically.



I agree with the ones that say it's more a matter of social comunication than anything. They NEED privacy with their Suits, because it's almost the only private space in a Ship they have. But they need also to be social and communicative. That means that eye contact is necessary to keep "quarianism" and realistic social comunication, to give to a conversation a personal touch more than a simple exchange of words.



Quarians already are more body-expressive than most people, that's something you may notice in Ascension and ME1 and ME2 with Tali. Eye contact is just another feature, and a Helmet that keeps privacy but lets their people to have also private conversation is a good social idea.

[Terrorfex]

Evolution does not occur over a couple of hundred years unless one has a very mutable genus. Such a genus is never going to evolve to become sentient in the first place. End of line.