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[camoboy_19]

Gotta go in a sec so.. Forum Bump for the Talimancers. Nice job to getting to 300

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Modifié par camoboy_19, 22 février 2010 - 03:24 .

[The_KFD_Case]

RevanKun123 wrote...

The_KFD_Case wrote...

RevanKun123 wrote...

herbie dog wrote...

Hi again!
Just had my lunch
Did I miss anything important?

Let's see...

Mothbanquet and KFD were being wicked.
The tali gift about all the caffeine she took.
The chibi Tali draw.
The legion talk.
I have died again.
And how the heck is it even possible that people are still reading parts of my fanfiction sequel?

Mmm. Wicked....

Take some caffeine...Yes like her.


And stop grinning like mad man...Yes I CAN see you.

I wasn't actually grinning until I read your last comment in the post above. Now I am grinning like a mad man.

[DreadvasNormandy]

Remember this thread, Talimancers, for it will be yours for all time! HA-OOH! HA-OOH!

[The_KFD_Case]

Wally2905 wrote...

Giong to go slightly off topic, but I want to share this with you guys. Don't know if you've seen it before, but this gif is really cool

Goddamn, but Miranda is HAWT! Mordin's bit is amusing to me. lol *siiiigh* Both Tali and Miranda....So tempting. Samara too for that matter. Decisions, decisions!

[FsDxRAGE]

camoboy_19 wrote...

Gotta go in a sec so.. Forum Bump for the Talimancers. Nice job to getting to 300

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[DrakeforBake]

I'll drag this thread kicking and screaming to 301 if I have to! For Tali!



It's the homeworld Geth that will be the problem, they have a shadier history than the Heretics. It's in the subtle hints. Sparing the Heretics might very well be what saves the Quarians.



True, Shepard did kill a Reaper. However the timeline of Legion tracing Shepard is a bit sketchy. Shepard's actions weren't secret enough that Legion would need to start at Eden Prime in order to pick up a trail. He had to have been deployed before the showdown with Saren.



I don't honestly believe the homeworld Geth are all that separated from the "Heretics". Shepard slaughtered thousands of Geth. The Geth's response was to deploy a single fullly autonomous unit to find Shepard. This single unit may well have been separated for most of the 2 years that it hunted Shepard.



I wonder what their meeting would have been like if they hadn't met while sharing the same goal? The enemy of my enemy is still my enemy. If the Geth knew that contacting Shepard would result in Legion being cut off for long periods of time, would they have sent the platform out? Legion himself isn't so shady, Shepard has the ability to woo anyone to his side. It's the thinking behind Legion that deployed him at all.



Also, why are the "Heretics" called "Heretics"? Usually such a name denotes a need to remove those people in a more permanent manner. Would the Geth really want those views from their long lost corrupted cousins to return? Or was Legion sent to offer Shepard a method to eliminate their own enemies while laying a trap for their creators?



Legion speaks for himself in the game when he mentions peaceful ends, what of the Geth opinion? Could this had been a carefully devised trap? Is Legion a fall guy?

[nitefyre410]

The_KFD_Case wrote...

Yionel wrote...

I think that rewriting the geth being good or bad gonna be up to shepard's ability to convince the geth and teh quarians to work togheter..this is a typical bioware trap choice..they show you a potentialy long term good decision..and make you hesitate with "probable" short term consequences...in most case its a way to trick the player to think its bad thing to rewrite the geth cause of how you feel about there past..but im 99% sure its gonna pay off in ME3

This. That is precisely how I felt about the Rachni queen option in ME1. In real life I would probably have terminated her due to the version of history I had received about them. I still had doubts about letting her live up until the point we encounter her Asarian representative on Illium. Looks like I made the more beneficial call after all. Oh, and yes, BioWare is known for sneaky choices like that. Makes it easier to second guess them...unless they have caught on to that and are counting on us counting on them counting on us acting/thinking in certain ways. Ahhh! I love it!

P.S. Page 300! Woot!

  

You know i never second guessed  my choice to let her live it was something about the way she simply begging for mercy just told me to let her go and it would be alright.  Something told me there was more the Rachni Wars than what was being let on..

[damage incorp96]

The_KFD_Case wrote...

Wally2905 wrote...

Giong to go slightly off topic, but I want to share this with you guys. Don't know if you've seen it before, but this gif is really cool

Goddamn, but Miranda is HAWT! Mordin's bit is amusing to me. lol *siiiigh* Both Tali and Miranda....So tempting. Samara too for that matter. Decisions, decisions!

I see Mordin got his present. I paid Miranda 1000 credits to show him a good time, as payback for the Tali info.

[The_KFD_Case]

DrakeforBake wrote...

It is possible, yet then again anything and everything is theoretically possible. At some point you have to make a decision based on the limited input you have to work with. Suffice to say that I'm willing to take a chance on the Geth in light of Legion's behaviour and in light of the stakes facing galactic civilization in the form of the Reapers. The organic races are far from helpless and I'm confident could fight the Geth to a stand still, possibly outright destroy them, if need be but this would be an inopportune time to get involved in what is bound to be a prolonged and costly war with a much larger threat looming. If the Geth can help then that's great. If they don't and turn out to be a threat then they are only a secondary threat until the Reapers are destroyed. If we lose to the Reapers none of that matters much. If we win we can worry about rebuilding and destroying any hostile Geth if need be, although there is the possibility that the Geth may not be hostile at that point and that our casualties may actually be less severe thanks in part to their actions if they become allies. I choose to hope and dare pursue the dream as opposed to succumbing to despair and fear. Each side of this proverbial coin have their place but given that we face an extinction event it's either "go all out or go home" (and die).

P.S. Your focus on the term "Heretics" reveals a far more emotional state than what the Geth operate from. The two states of mind are not directly comparable.

Modifié par The_KFD_Case, 22 février 2010 - 03:39 .

[DrakeforBake]

damage incorp96 wrote...

Good point, and I understand where you are coming from, but in your example if you brought the woman back it would cause more harm imo. We need to know if they retain any memories of being a husk before we can determine what to do. If she has no memory, sure let her go on her way and live out her life. If he remembers every person she tore limb from limb, she will go crazy once you bring her back. I understand geth don't have the same feeling as that woman does, but would they also have a 'mental' breakdown?

No doubt the right thing to do will be harder but I only wanted to demonstrate a proper scenario that reveals what we've done for the Geth.

Do you save the human or kill the monster? Either way has repercussions.

[The_KFD_Case]

DrakeforBake wrote...

damage incorp96 wrote...

Good point, and I understand where you are coming from, but in your example if you brought the woman back it would cause more harm imo. We need to know if they retain any memories of being a husk before we can determine what to do. If she has no memory, sure let her go on her way and live out her life. If he remembers every person she tore limb from limb, she will go crazy once you bring her back. I understand geth don't have the same feeling as that woman does, but would they also have a 'mental' breakdown?

No doubt the right thing to do will be harder but I only wanted to demonstrate a proper scenario that reveals what we've done for the Geth.

Do you save the human or kill the monster? Either way has repercussions.

Is it time for the immortal words? Is it? It may just be....*ahem!* "When in doubt use force." Overwhelming, mind numbing, bone crushing destructive force. The Krogan would approve.

Modifié par The_KFD_Case, 22 février 2010 - 03:37 .

[Lord_Moose]

I dont think the Geth are capable of, or as of yet understand Lying.

If you side with Tali on the fight (because you dont have the points for either para/gade choice) Legion is of course mildly gruntled.

You can speak to him, and with a renegade option, telling it you lied to tali, telling her what she wanted to hear. Legion doesnt understand it, so you explain it in a way it would comprehend, and he(it?) applauds you for it. As such, I solved the horrible conflict, and got to go with the girlfriend in a fight. Because its kinda impossibly hard to side against her. Tried it once, she was Furious, the dialog there as she's angry out you, ouch. No way to get out of that doghouse so i reloaded and redid the entire loyalty mission

[NonHuman1136]

DrakeforBake wrote...

I don't honestly believe the homeworld Geth are all that separated from the "Heretics". Shepard slaughtered thousands of Geth. The Geth's response was to deploy a single fullly autonomous unit to find Shepard. This single unit may well have been separated for most of the 2 years that it hunted Shepard.

The geth did not send Legion, "he" sent "himself".  Whenever Legion says "we" he is talking about himself, rather the 1,185, or is it 83? programs/runtimes currently inside the platform we call "Legion".  Only those programs, the ones existing inside Legion, are the ones who are not heretics.
If I am wrong, I'm sure somone will correct me.

[HereticSon]

nitefyre410 wrote...

The_KFD_Case wrote...

Yionel wrote...

I think that rewriting the geth being good or bad gonna be up to shepard's ability to convince the geth and teh quarians to work togheter..this is a typical bioware trap choice..they show you a potentialy long term good decision..and make you hesitate with "probable" short term consequences...in most case its a way to trick the player to think its bad thing to rewrite the geth cause of how you feel about there past..but im 99% sure its gonna pay off in ME3

This. That is precisely how I felt about the Rachni queen option in ME1. In real life I would probably have terminated her due to the version of history I had received about them. I still had doubts about letting her live up until the point we encounter her Asarian representative on Illium. Looks like I made the more beneficial call after all. Oh, and yes, BioWare is known for sneaky choices like that. Makes it easier to second guess them...unless they have caught on to that and are counting on us counting on them counting on us acting/thinking in certain ways. Ahhh! I love it!

P.S. Page 300! Woot!

  

You know i never second guessed  my choice to let her live it was something about the way she simply begging for mercy just told me to let her go and it would be alright.  Something told me there was more the Rachni Wars than what was being let on..

I let the Rachni queen live too, also never regretting my choice. She made everything sound so believable, and like Liara commented: " a child kept locked in a closet 'til she was 16 wouldn't be the same". I was happily surprised when the asari showed up on Illium, giving me a message from the Rachni Queen. God I love those moments. Thanks Bioware

[Lord_Moose]

NonHuman1136 wrote...

DrakeforBake wrote...

I don't honestly believe the homeworld Geth are all that separated from the "Heretics". Shepard slaughtered thousands of Geth. The Geth's response was to deploy a single fullly autonomous unit to find Shepard. This single unit may well have been separated for most of the 2 years that it hunted Shepard.

The geth did not send Legion, "he" sent "himself".  Whenever Legion says "we" he is talking about himself, rather the 1,185, or is it 83? programs/runtimes currently inside the platform we call "Legion".  Only those programs, the ones existing inside Legion, are the ones who are not heretics.
If I am wrong, I'm sure somone will correct me.

You are wrong.
'Good Geth' number in the billions, while a few million, the 'heretic' geth, who're on the edge of Geth controlled space, are the bad guys. They're the reason why anyone has been attacked entering the veil, abit some encountered with quarian/geth have resulted in conflict due to apparent  quarian hostilities at first.
On Heastrom, Heretics followed the scieneteam from an outpost to the planet, rather then patroling good geth discovering them.

[Lord_Moose]

I chose to destroy the Heretics, they've attacked humanity, sucked the life from my solders, and their actions caused the Entire 505(501st?) company to be annihilated, by the attack on eden prime, and later a nuke on Virmire.

I am in a personal active state of War with the Heretics, so i'll be damned if i let those platforms stand with the likes of legion again.

They made decisions to prepare to attack the good geth as well, just like the collectors, they're better off dead.

[DrakeforBake]

NonHuman1136 wrote...

DrakeforBake wrote...

I don't honestly believe the homeworld Geth are all that separated from the "Heretics". Shepard slaughtered thousands of Geth. The Geth's response was to deploy a single fullly autonomous unit to find Shepard. This single unit may well have been separated for most of the 2 years that it hunted Shepard.

The geth did not send Legion, "he" sent "himself".  Whenever Legion says "we" he is talking about himself, rather the 1,185, or is it 83? programs/runtimes currently inside the platform we call "Legion".  Only those programs, the ones existing inside Legion, are the ones who are not heretics.
If I am wrong, I'm sure somone will correct me.

Legion sent himself yes, but he is a unique Geth as he is disconnected from the collective. Given enough programs to perform higher functions unlike normal platforms. Shepard said it himself "When people leave they come back different". Legion left as Geth, he met Shepard after years of travelling solo. His "Technology" could have evolved differently than from the collective.

He could very well be considered the second of the Geth to leave the collective only not by choice(Being cut off from FTL communications). By the time ME3 rolls around he may not even side with the Homeworld's original Geth if he's spent enough time with Shepard.

[Yazman]

ok, bedtime now. Keelah se'lai guys!

[DrakeforBake]

Yazman wrote...

ok, bedtime now. Keelah se'lai guys!

Toodles.

[nitefyre410]

The_KFD_Case wrote...

Wally2905 wrote...

Giong to go slightly off topic, but I want to share this with you guys. Don't know if you've seen it before, but this gif is really cool

Goddamn, but Miranda is HAWT! Mordin's bit is amusing to me. lol *siiiigh* Both Tali and Miranda....So tempting. Samara too for that matter. Decisions, decisions!

 

Why not all Three? 

[RevanKun123]

HereticSon wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...

The_KFD_Case wrote...

Yionel wrote...

I think that rewriting the geth being good or bad gonna be up to shepard's ability to convince the geth and teh quarians to work togheter..this is a typical bioware trap choice..they show you a potentialy long term good decision..and make you hesitate with "probable" short term consequences...in most case its a way to trick the player to think its bad thing to rewrite the geth cause of how you feel about there past..but im 99% sure its gonna pay off in ME3

This. That is precisely how I felt about the Rachni queen option in ME1. In real life I would probably have terminated her due to the version of history I had received about them. I still had doubts about letting her live up until the point we encounter her Asarian representative on Illium. Looks like I made the more beneficial call after all. Oh, and yes, BioWare is known for sneaky choices like that. Makes it easier to second guess them...unless they have caught on to that and are counting on us counting on them counting on us acting/thinking in certain ways. Ahhh! I love it!

P.S. Page 300! Woot!

  

You know i never second guessed  my choice to let her live it was something about the way she simply begging for mercy just told me to let her go and it would be alright.  Something told me there was more the Rachni Wars than what was being let on..

I let the Rachni queen live too, also never regretting my choice. She made everything sound so believable, and like Liara commented: " a child kept locked in a closet 'til she was 16 wouldn't be the same". I was happily surprised when the asari showed up on Illium, giving me a message from the Rachni Queen. God I love those moments. Thanks Bioware

I thought that the Rachni queen was one of the most interesing character.
"Everyone is glaring"...Okay Okay not as interesing as Tali.

[alickar]

im back for a short while and i herd tht other krogan headbutted me headbutts back

[RevanKun123]

nitefyre410 wrote...

The_KFD_Case wrote...

Wally2905 wrote...

Giong to go slightly off topic, but I want to share this with you guys. Don't know if you've seen it before, but this gif is really cool

Goddamn, but Miranda is HAWT! Mordin's bit is amusing to me. lol *siiiigh* Both Tali and Miranda....So tempting. Samara too for that matter. Decisions, decisions!

 

Why not all Three? 

You are still with this...this...Insanity?!
And what do you mean by all three?
No !
Wait:!
Don't answer, I don't want to know !
You guys are the devil in person.

[nitefyre410]

RevanKun123 wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...

The_KFD_Case wrote...

Wally2905 wrote...

Giong to go slightly off topic, but I want to share this with you guys. Don't know if you've seen it before, but this gif is really cool

Goddamn, but Miranda is HAWT! Mordin's bit is amusing to me. lol *siiiigh* Both Tali and Miranda....So tempting. Samara too for that matter. Decisions, decisions!

 

Why not all Three? 

You are still with this...this...Insanity?!
And what do you mean by all three?
No !
Wait:!
Don't answer, I don't want to know !
You guys are the devil in person.

  

LOL   I'm just saying I'm sure  we  could work out an arrangement there is enough of me to go around.   Okay i am going to stop messing with you  now

[damage incorp96]

DrakeforBake wrote...

damage incorp96 wrote...

Good point, and I understand where you are coming from, but in your example if you brought the woman back it would cause more harm imo. We need to know if they retain any memories of being a husk before we can determine what to do. If she has no memory, sure let her go on her way and live out her life. If he remembers every person she tore limb from limb, she will go crazy once you bring her back. I understand geth don't have the same feeling as that woman does, but would they also have a 'mental' breakdown?

No doubt the right thing to do will be harder but I only wanted to demonstrate a proper scenario that reveals what we've done for the Geth.

Do you save the human or kill the monster? Either way has repercussions.

I know it's not on topic, but if you are interested in questions like these you should read Starship Troopers by Heinlein. (No the movie was horrible and nothing like the book, just a few names are the same, no moral choices, no power armor, no orbital drops). There is a part that talks about the justification of using an insanilty plea in criminal cases.

If person is really insane (similar to husk/heritic) and they are made 'sane' wouldn't they kill themselves due to the guilt of what they've done (murder,rape,etc...)

If the person is insane and cannot be made sane, wouldn't it be better to kill them to better society. All life is not equal. We kill mad dogs but not mad people, why?