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[The_KFD_Case]

nitefyre410 wrote...

The_KFD_Case wrote...

Wally2905 wrote...

Giong to go slightly off topic, but I want to share this with you guys. Don't know if you've seen it before, but this gif is really cool

Goddamn, but Miranda is HAWT! Mordin's bit is amusing to me. lol *siiiigh* Both Tali and Miranda....So tempting. Samara too for that matter. Decisions, decisions!

 

Why not all Three? 

indeed.

[nitefyre410]

RevanKun123 wrote...

HereticSon wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...

The_KFD_Case wrote...

Yionel wrote...

I think that rewriting the geth being good or bad gonna be up to shepard's ability to convince the geth and teh quarians to work togheter..this is a typical bioware trap choice..they show you a potentialy long term good decision..and make you hesitate with "probable" short term consequences...in most case its a way to trick the player to think its bad thing to rewrite the geth cause of how you feel about there past..but im 99% sure its gonna pay off in ME3

This. That is precisely how I felt about the Rachni queen option in ME1. In real life I would probably have terminated her due to the version of history I had received about them. I still had doubts about letting her live up until the point we encounter her Asarian representative on Illium. Looks like I made the more beneficial call after all. Oh, and yes, BioWare is known for sneaky choices like that. Makes it easier to second guess them...unless they have caught on to that and are counting on us counting on them counting on us acting/thinking in certain ways. Ahhh! I love it!

P.S. Page 300! Woot!

  

You know i never second guessed  my choice to let her live it was something about the way she simply begging for mercy just told me to let her go and it would be alright.  Something told me there was more the Rachni Wars than what was being let on..

I let the Rachni queen live too, also never regretting my choice. She made everything sound so believable, and like Liara commented: " a child kept locked in a closet 'til she was 16 wouldn't be the same". I was happily surprised when the asari showed up on Illium, giving me a message from the Rachni Queen. God I love those moments. Thanks Bioware

I thought that the Rachni queen was one of the most interesing character.
"Everyone is glaring"...Okay Okay not as interesing as Tali.

 


I agree,   All i knew about the Rachni Wars was second hand knowledge not  the whole story, i need to know more about what situation is before I commit Genocide like that ... it just felt wrong to kill her

[The_KFD_Case]

RevanKun123 wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...

The_KFD_Case wrote...

Wally2905 wrote...

Giong to go slightly off topic, but I want to share this with you guys. Don't know if you've seen it before, but this gif is really cool

Goddamn, but Miranda is HAWT! Mordin's bit is amusing to me. lol *siiiigh* Both Tali and Miranda....So tempting. Samara too for that matter. Decisions, decisions!

 

Why not all Three? 

You are still with this...this...Insanity?!
And what do you mean by all three?
No !
Wait:!
Don't answer, I don't want to know !
You guys are the devil in person.

Well, speaking for myself, I'm not interested in..sampling..all three at once. But in succession? Sure. Tali is the one I'd want to settle down with.

[RevanKun123]

nitefyre410 wrote...

RevanKun123 wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...

The_KFD_Case wrote...

Wally2905 wrote...

Giong to go slightly off topic, but I want to share this with you guys. Don't know if you've seen it before, but this gif is really cool

Goddamn, but Miranda is HAWT! Mordin's bit is amusing to me. lol *siiiigh* Both Tali and Miranda....So tempting. Samara too for that matter. Decisions, decisions!

 

Why not all Three? 

You are still with this...this...Insanity?!
And what do you mean by all three?
No !
Wait:!
Don't answer, I don't want to know !
You guys are the devil in person.

  

LOL   I'm just saying I'm sure  we  could work out an arrangement there is enough of me to go around.   Okay i am going to stop messing with you  now

ARGH You did that on purpose !
Now my pure mind and soul has been tainted !
I hate you, you are a bad person !
And KFD isn't any better.

[The_KFD_Case]

damage incorp96 wrote...

DrakeforBake wrote...

damage incorp96 wrote...

Good point, and I understand where you are coming from, but in your example if you brought the woman back it would cause more harm imo. We need to know if they retain any memories of being a husk before we can determine what to do. If she has no memory, sure let her go on her way and live out her life. If he remembers every person she tore limb from limb, she will go crazy once you bring her back. I understand geth don't have the same feeling as that woman does, but would they also have a 'mental' breakdown?

No doubt the right thing to do will be harder but I only wanted to demonstrate a proper scenario that reveals what we've done for the Geth.

Do you save the human or kill the monster? Either way has repercussions.

I know it's not on topic, but if you are interested in questions like these you should read Starship Troopers by Heinlein. (No the movie was horrible and nothing like the book, just a few names are the same, no moral choices, no power armor, no orbital drops). There is a part that talks about the justification of using an insanilty plea in criminal cases.

If person is really insane (similar to husk/heritic) and they are made 'sane' wouldn't they kill themselves due to the guilt of what they've done (murder,rape,etc...)

If the person is insane and cannot be made sane, wouldn't it be better to kill them to better society. All life is not equal. We kill mad dogs but not mad people, why?

An interesting, and highly charged, question, IMO. Some places do actually kill "mad people" though they tend to have to have been convicted of certain crimes first. Capital punishment is still practiced in various states in the USA. Also in a slew of countries around the world.

P.S. Note that it is speculated that a high number of inmates may suffer from various psychological illnesses which have not been diagnosed.

Modifié par The_KFD_Case, 22 février 2010 - 04:06 .

[NonHuman1136]

I retract my previous comments regarding Legion, I didn't realize that I had not even seen all of the convos between him and Shepard. But now I'm sitting here with ME loaded up so I have to keep playing/sitting with Tali. cyall in a couple hours.

[The_KFD_Case]

RevanKun123 wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...

RevanKun123 wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...

The_KFD_Case wrote...

Wally2905 wrote...

Giong to go slightly off topic, but I want to share this with you guys. Don't know if you've seen it before, but this gif is really cool

Goddamn, but Miranda is HAWT! Mordin's bit is amusing to me. lol *siiiigh* Both Tali and Miranda....So tempting. Samara too for that matter. Decisions, decisions!

 

Why not all Three? 

You are still with this...this...Insanity?!
And what do you mean by all three?
No !
Wait:!
Don't answer, I don't want to know !
You guys are the devil in person.

  

LOL   I'm just saying I'm sure  we  could work out an arrangement there is enough of me to go around.   Okay i am going to stop messing with you  now

ARGH You did that on purpose !
Now my pure mind and soul has been tainted !
I hate you, you are a bad person !
And KFD isn't any better.

That's right baby. I'm not any "better"...I'm friggin' AWESOME!

C'mon Revan. Just admit it...Part of you is intriqued by the darker, seductive promises that whisper to you....*smirks*

[damage incorp96]

Seems to have slowed down, so I'll throw this out there. I hesitated to post this..... but, you must know..... I saw Tali! Wellll, In a dream Tali and I were drinking coffee in some cafe. Anyway, she was still in the suit, but she wasn't wearing her helmet. I remember she looked good, but damn it, I can't remember a lot of detail.
 
What I do remember is this, she was albino, and had a very human face and her eyes did glow slightly. She explained to me that the quarians eyes don't glow naturally, but is a side effect of the nutrient paste. She explained the paste was made from plankton and when ingested, some chemical combination happened that caused their blood to glow slightly (similar to albino's eyes having a red tint because no pigment in the eye, just seeing the blood)
 
Now....... I have to go and have a very serious talk with my subconscious. I mean, I have Tali in a dream and I get a fu**ing biology lesson! No pounce? 

[RevanKun123]

The_KFD_Case wrote...

RevanKun123 wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...

RevanKun123 wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...

The_KFD_Case wrote...

Wally2905 wrote...

Giong to go slightly off topic, but I want to share this with you guys. Don't know if you've seen it before, but this gif is really cool

Goddamn, but Miranda is HAWT! Mordin's bit is amusing to me. lol *siiiigh* Both Tali and Miranda....So tempting. Samara too for that matter. Decisions, decisions!

 

Why not all Three? 

You are still with this...this...Insanity?!
And what do you mean by all three?
No !
Wait:!
Don't answer, I don't want to know !
You guys are the devil in person.

  

LOL   I'm just saying I'm sure  we  could work out an arrangement there is enough of me to go around.   Okay i am going to stop messing with you  now

ARGH You did that on purpose !
Now my pure mind and soul has been tainted !
I hate you, you are a bad person !
And KFD isn't any better.

That's right baby. I'm not any "better"...I'm friggin' AWESOME!

C'mon Revan. Just admit it...Part of you is intriqued by the darker, seductive promises that whisper to you....*smirks*

"Shocked, Offended and repulsed at the same time" WHAT ?!

Modifié par RevanKun123, 22 février 2010 - 04:11 .

[The_KFD_Case]

damage incorp96 wrote...

Seems to have slowed down, so I'll throw this out there. I hesitated to post this..... but, you must know..... I saw Tali! Wellll, In a dream Tali and I were drinking coffee in some cafe. Anyway, she was still in the suit, but she wasn't wearing her helmet. I remember she looked good, but damn it, I can't remember a lot of detail.
 
What I do remember is this, she was albino, and had a very human face and her eyes did glow slightly. She explained to me that the quarians eyes don't glow naturally, but is a side effect of the nutrient paste. She explained the paste was made from plankton and when ingested, some chemical combination happened that caused their blood to glow slightly (similar to albino's eyes having a red tint because no pigment in the eye, just seeing the blood)
 
Now....... I have to go and have a very serious talk with my subconscious. I mean, I have Tali in a dream and I get a fu**ing biology lesson! No pounce? 

Spiffy. Part of me keeps thinking that the Quarians are bald, or perhaps more accurately put: hairless. I think Tali has appealing, sharp yet chiseled facial features and piercing eyes the colour of silver fire. Granted, all of this is based upon the outlines of her face we see in-game which could just be placeholders. Colour me curious! I want to see her face dang it!

[The_KFD_Case]

RevanKun123 wrote...

The_KFD_Case wrote...

RevanKun123 wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...

RevanKun123 wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...

The_KFD_Case wrote...

Wally2905 wrote...

Giong to go slightly off topic, but I want to share this with you guys. Don't know if you've seen it before, but this gif is really cool

Goddamn, but Miranda is HAWT! Mordin's bit is amusing to me. lol *siiiigh* Both Tali and Miranda....So tempting. Samara too for that matter. Decisions, decisions!

 

Why not all Three? 

You are still with this...this...Insanity?!
And what do you mean by all three?
No !
Wait:!
Don't answer, I don't want to know !
You guys are the devil in person.

  

LOL   I'm just saying I'm sure  we  could work out an arrangement there is enough of me to go around.   Okay i am going to stop messing with you  now

ARGH You did that on purpose !
Now my pure mind and soul has been tainted !
I hate you, you are a bad person !
And KFD isn't any better.

That's right baby. I'm not any "better"...I'm friggin' AWESOME!

C'mon Revan. Just admit it...Part of you is intriqued by the darker, seductive promises that whisper to you....*smirks*

"Shocked, Offended and repulsed at the time" WHAT ?!

What? It's okay. I'm not judging you.

[DrakeforBake]

damage incorp96 wrote...

I know it's not on topic, but if you are interested in questions like these you should read Starship Troopers by Heinlein. (No the movie was horrible and nothing like the book, just a few names are the same, no moral choices, no power armor, no orbital drops). There is a part that talks about the justification of using an insanilty plea in criminal cases.

If person is really insane (similar to husk/heritic) and they are made 'sane' wouldn't they kill themselves due to the guilt of what they've done (murder,rape,etc...)

If the person is insane and cannot be made sane, wouldn't it be better to kill them to better society. All life is not equal. We kill mad dogs but not mad people, why?

Read and Read. I enjoyed the books. The moral though was that it was the person's decisions must be made accountable for all actions their body performs. This then later ignored as all their soldiers were implanted with commands to remove control from the individal on the mention of a single word(Ricco was forcefully put to sleep for hours against his wishes) while in the field. Subtle but it's there. Humanity will always appeal to it's greater good but take the shortest and fastest route to get there.

It was a pretty grim future all in all.

Oh and Mass Effect DID take one of the lessons from SST books, saying that force is the only thing that people will respect. The Turians are a near perfect example of the world presented in the SST book, you can only become a citizen by joining the military. Their response to the humans opening the relay was to smash their figurative fingers in a display of "This is what could happen, imagine if we were serious!".

Just like the hypcrisy in the books, when the humans showed they would respond to the threats in kind (they did wipe out the Turian fleet in immediate response) the Turians took it to the extremes in their stubbornness.

Now back to our regularily scheduled Tali loving. Already in progress. <3

[damage incorp96]

The_KFD_Case wrote...

damage incorp96 wrote...

Seems to have slowed down, so I'll throw this out there. I hesitated to post this..... but, you must know..... I saw Tali! Wellll, In a dream Tali and I were drinking coffee in some cafe. Anyway, she was still in the suit, but she wasn't wearing her helmet. I remember she looked good, but damn it, I can't remember a lot of detail.
 
What I do remember is this, she was albino, and had a very human face and her eyes did glow slightly. She explained to me that the quarians eyes don't glow naturally, but is a side effect of the nutrient paste. She explained the paste was made from plankton and when ingested, some chemical combination happened that caused their blood to glow slightly (similar to albino's eyes having a red tint because no pigment in the eye, just seeing the blood)
 
Now....... I have to go and have a very serious talk with my subconscious. I mean, I have Tali in a dream and I get a fu**ing biology lesson! No pounce? 

Spiffy. Part of me keeps thinking that the Quarians are bald, or perhaps more accurately put: hairless. I think Tali has appealing, sharp yet chiseled facial features and piercing eyes the colour of silver fire. Granted, all of this is based upon the outlines of her face we see in-game which could just be placeholders. Colour me curious! I want to see her face dang it!

hmmmm, I don't remember if she had hair or not in my dream. I always picture quarians as hairless also.

[turelhimvampire]

The_KFD_Case wrote...

Spiffy. Part of me keeps thinking that the Quarians are bald, or perhaps more accurately put: hairless. I think Tali has appealing, sharp yet chiseled facial features and piercing eyes the colour of silver fire. Granted, all of this is based upon the outlines of her face we see in-game which could just be placeholders. Colour me curious! I want to see her face dang it!

Same here. It's like a Bermuda Triangle mystery, or Roswell, only not as lame.

[Lord_Moose]

damage incorp96 wrote...
I mean, I have Tali in a dream and I get a fu**ing biology lesson! No pounce? 

Ugh, tell me about it.
My Tali dream had Tali plopping herself in my lap, giddy as a schoolgirl and asking for round two. Dream Me was an idiot and said something about it being too soon, that we should wait and give it more time...
DAMN MYSELF FOR BEING SO CONSIDERATE AND THINKING OF OTHER PEOPLE'S WELLBEING!

[ipro_carltron]

[The_KFD_Case]

Lord_Moose wrote...

damage incorp96 wrote...
I mean, I have Tali in a dream and I get a fu**ing biology lesson! No pounce? 

Ugh, tell me about it.
My Tali dream had Tali plopping herself in my lap, giddy as a schoolgirl and asking for round two. Dream Me was an idiot and said something about it being too soon, that we should wait and give it more time...
DAMN MYSELF FOR BEING SO CONSIDERATE AND THINKING OF OTHER PEOPLE'S WELLBEING!

No Renegade points for you!

[HereticSon]

Nitefyre410: I agree, All i knew about the Rachni Wars was second hand knowledge not the whole story, i need to know more about what situation is before I commit Genocide like that ... it just felt wrong to kill her

- I hear you. All I was able to find out about the Rachni Wars in ME was that the rachni grew too strong, and the krogan were tasked by the council races to ending their spreading across the galaxy, ending with the rachni being extinct. Luckily, in ME 2 you can ask the asari sent to deliever you a message from the rachni queen about the Rachni Wars. It seems like the Reapers somehow indoctricated or "brainwashed" the rachni, which only gives me another reason to turn them into scrap metal in ME 3

Modifié par HereticSon, 22 février 2010 - 04:18 .

[DarchAngelDavid]

Yionel wrote...

R34P3RR3D33M3R wrote...

NuclearBuddha wrote...

Lareit wrote...

NuclearBuddha wrote...

I thought it was tough because the choice seems morally ambiguous.  I mean, brainwashing usually isn't in the paragon playbook.  It seemed almost more correct to destroy the heretic:  it was their choice and they get to live with the consequences.  Legion even seemed to suggest that this was the right course of action.  Then again, there's the united geth vs. reapers issue.

Here's how I decided:  the last time I talked to Legion about it, he said his internal vote was 573 for rewrite, 571 for destroy.  Rewrite it was!

That mission was fascinating.  ME1 reveals basically nothing about the geth.

Actually the vote has me concerned about Legion and the geth. They believe all intelligent life should self determinate...but decide to vote in favor of rewriting the heretics(even if they didn't reach full consensus) because it was convienent.

What I'm curious about is seeing what the new re-integrated geth are like.  My biggest concern is that they're going to learn subterfuge from the reintegrated heretics.  Remember how surprised Legion was that the heretics were spying on the true geth?  Additionally, the heretics are going to bring back a lot of knowledge about fighting organics.

I was thinking the same thing while playing through that mission just a few minutes ago. That's also part of the reason why I just don't feel comfortable with rewriting them. Not saying that I'd feel much better about killing them.
Either way, I'm glad that I can just replay ME2 and make the other decision, if rewriting turns out to be bad in ME3. I'd hate to have to make that kind of decision without the ability to make it undone.

I think that rewriting the geth being good or bad gonna be up to shepard's ability to convince the geth and teh quarians to work togheter..this is a typical bioware trap choice..they show you a potentialy long term good decision..and make you hesitate with "probable" short term consequences...in most case its a way to trick the player to think its bad thing to rewrite the geth cause of how you feel about there past..but im 99% sure its gonna pay off in ME3

Tali didnt seem to happy with the idea of reprogramming the Geth based on both the moral stand point of doing it and the fact that Legion's Geth would get stronger.  It is a well known fact that she hates all Geth but she might have a point.  Either way you learned a lot about them that even Tali didn't know.  This will prove useful in the future should they need to deal with both factions in ME3.  Another thing to look at is how Tali's fathers work will affect them.  If you let them use the program will that nullify the program that the Admiral will try to use on them in ME3 or will it help their efforts? 

[damage incorp96]

Lord_Moose wrote...

damage incorp96 wrote...
I mean, I have Tali in a dream and I get a fu**ing biology lesson! No pounce? 

Ugh, tell me about it.
My Tali dream had Tali plopping herself in my lap, giddy as a schoolgirl and asking for round two. Dream Me was an idiot and said something about it being too soon, that we should wait and give it more time...
DAMN MYSELF FOR BEING SO CONSIDERATE AND THINKING OF OTHER PEOPLE'S WELLBEING!

http://www.nooooooooooooooo.com/

[cutthecameras]

I can't remember what Legion's logic behind the reprogramming is.



It sounds to me like he is violating his core belief that all life must self-determinate...

[DarchAngelDavid]

The_KFD_Case wrote...

Lord_Moose wrote...

damage incorp96 wrote...
I mean, I have Tali in a dream and I get a fu**ing biology lesson! No pounce? 

Ugh, tell me about it.
My Tali dream had Tali plopping herself in my lap, giddy as a schoolgirl and asking for round two. Dream Me was an idiot and said something about it being too soon, that we should wait and give it more time...
DAMN MYSELF FOR BEING SO CONSIDERATE AND THINKING OF OTHER PEOPLE'S WELLBEING!

No Renegade points for you!

Yeah in all my dreams we are in the new clean room I had installed on the Normandy working it out after a serious chemical wash down.  No runny noses or headaches for my baby

[The_KFD_Case]

damage incorp96 wrote...

http://www.nooooooooooooooo.com/

I love that. That button is nothing short of pure win!

[RevanKun123]

The_KFD_Case wrote...

RevanKun123 wrote...

The_KFD_Case wrote...

RevanKun123 wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...

RevanKun123 wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...

The_KFD_Case wrote...

Wally2905 wrote...

Giong to go slightly off topic, but I want to share this with you guys. Don't know if you've seen it before, but this gif is really cool

Goddamn, but Miranda is HAWT! Mordin's bit is amusing to me. lol *siiiigh* Both Tali and Miranda....So tempting. Samara too for that matter. Decisions, decisions!

 

Why not all Three? 

You are still with this...this...Insanity?!
And what do you mean by all three?
No !
Wait:!
Don't answer, I don't want to know !
You guys are the devil in person.

  

LOL   I'm just saying I'm sure  we  could work out an arrangement there is enough of me to go around.   Okay i am going to stop messing with you  now

ARGH You did that on purpose !
Now my pure mind and soul has been tainted !
I hate you, you are a bad person !
And KFD isn't any better.

That's right baby. I'm not any "better"...I'm friggin' AWESOME!

C'mon Revan. Just admit it...Part of you is intriqued by the darker, seductive promises that whisper to you....*smirks*

"Shocked, Offended and repulsed at the same time" WHAT ?!

What? It's okay. I'm not judging you.

You...I....You think...How could you...When...
"Muttered to herself" Okay...calm down....try not to do anything irrational....like strangle KFD and then beat him to death...

[damage incorp96]

cutthecameras wrote...

I can't remember what Legion's logic behind the reprogramming is.

It sounds to me like he is violating his core belief that all life must self-determinate...

He is, which proves he is more 'human' than I first thought.