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[The_KFD_Case]

cutthecameras wrote...

I can't remember what Legion's logic behind the reprogramming is.

It sounds to me like he is violating his core belief that all life must self-determinate...

IIRC, Legion's logic amounts to saying that the Heretics might as well be reset since the alternative is destruction and that they are not living beings in the same sense that organics understand such a concept. Also, the Geth (i.e. Legion) do not reach an internal consensus. There are three more votes in favour of reprogramming the Heretics than than the votes in favour of destroying them.

Modifié par The_KFD_Case, 22 février 2010 - 04:52 .

[damage incorp96]

The_KFD_Case wrote...

damage incorp96 wrote...

http://www.nooooooooooooooo.com/

I love that. That button is nothing short of pure win!

Can't over use it though, must wait for a truly epic Tali fail. Like Telling her not now sweetie, maybe later.

[The_KFD_Case]

RevanKun123 wrote...

You...I....You think...How could you...When...
"Muttered to herself" Okay...calm down....try not to do anything irrational....like strangle KFD and then beat him to death...

I love it when you talk dirty to me.

Modifié par The_KFD_Case, 22 février 2010 - 04:26 .

[nitefyre410]

RevanKun123 wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...

RevanKun123 wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...

The_KFD_Case wrote...

Wally2905 wrote...

Giong to go slightly off topic, but I want to share this with you guys. Don't know if you've seen it before, but this gif is really cool

Goddamn, but Miranda is HAWT! Mordin's bit is amusing to me. lol *siiiigh* Both Tali and Miranda....So tempting. Samara too for that matter. Decisions, decisions!

 

Why not all Three? 

You are still with this...this...Insanity?!
And what do you mean by all three?
No !
Wait:!
Don't answer, I don't want to know !
You guys are the devil in person.

  

LOL   I'm just saying I'm sure  we  could work out an arrangement there is enough of me to go around.   Okay i am going to stop messing with you  now

ARGH You did that on purpose !
Now my pure mind and soul has been tainted !
I hate you, you are a bad person !
And KFD isn't any better.

 

LOL     Thats okay I still love you though   <3

Modifié par nitefyre410, 22 février 2010 - 04:36 .

[Niveneh]

SPOILER WARNING!

I figure this has been discussed before in one (or a hundred) of the 1900 pages... yikes, that's a lot.. that has gone before. So, just asking for those in the know:

I'm seeing two possibilities, unfortunately.
#1: You give the Flotilla the evidence for Tali's father's guilt. He is condemned, she hates your guts, and is killed on the collector ship because she isn't loyal/focused, but the Flotilla does not go to war against the Geth and still exists in ME3.

#2: You don't give the flotillla the evidence, Tali is loyal and survives the mission, they try to go to war against the Geth, and Tali and the Flotilla are wiped out.

#3: As #2 but Tali survives somewhere but probably isn't very happy.

Possibly, if you blow up the Heretic Geth instead of reprogramming them, the Flotilla can win, but probably a fairly Phyrric victory. Best outcome - for the universe and the flotilla - would be no war, and Heretics reprogrammed, so both would have the strength to offer relevant strength against the Reapers, but this would .. well... dead Tali. Unpleasant.

Basically I have a bit of trouble seeing a win/win outcome. You can argue for peace and withhold the evidence, but that obviously carries little weight.

Or is there permutations there I haven't run into yet?

Modifié par Niveneh, 22 février 2010 - 04:27 .

[DarchAngelDavid]

HereticSon wrote...

Nitefyre410: I agree, All i knew about the Rachni Wars was second hand knowledge not the whole story, i need to know more about what situation is before I commit Genocide like that ... it just felt wrong to kill her

- I hear you. All I was able to find out about the Rachni Wars in ME was that the rachni grew too strong, and the krogan were tasked by the council races to ending their spreading across the galaxy, ending with the rachni being extinct. Luckily, in ME 2 you can ask the asari sent to deliever you a message from the rachni queen about the Rachni Wars. It seems like the Reapers somehow indoctricated or "brainwashed" the rachni, which only gives me another reason to turn them into scrap metal in ME 3

Yeah I didnt kill them off in any of my ME1 play throughs.  Even when I was a renegade it just didnt sit right with me.  Knowing how real life is the story always just seemd like half truths.  The media is like that playing things the way they need you to hear them.  I am curious to see how things are going to play out in ME3 because the Queen clearly said she was going to be there to help you and they have some serious tech skills.

[Lord_Moose]

I'm going to go ahead and say, I Wont Need The Heretic Geth.

There are at least Millions upon Millions of mobile platforms of good geth,

all of which are combat ready.

There are presently a load of floating scrap metal in the veil composed of disabled heretic geth.

Get me a melting pot, and i'll make sommmore!

Geth can quite literally build more geth in a short amount of time when the need arises. Looking back on an unfortunate but accurate happening in the past, the Alera: The geth that overtook the ship built more of themselves after taking control of the place, easily making more then amount previously guesstimated by the admirals.

[The_KFD_Case]

Niveneh wrote...

SPOILER WARNING!

I figure this has been discussed before in one (or a hundred) of the 1900 pages... yikes, that's a lot.. that has gone before. So, just asking for those in the know:

I'm seeing two possibilities, unfortunately.
#1: You give the Flotilla the evidence for Tali's father's guilt. He is condemned, she hates your guts, and is killed on the collector ship because she isn't loyal/focused, but the Flotilla does not go to war against the Geth and still exists in ME3.

#2: You don't give the flotillla the evidence, Tali is loyal and survives the mission, they try to go to war against the Geth, and Tali and the Flotilla are wiped out.

#3: As #2 but Tali survives somewhere but probably isn't very happy.

Possibly, if you blow up the Heretic Geth instead of reprogramming them, the Flotilla can win, but probably a fairly Phyrric victory. Best outcome - for the universe and the flotilla - would be no war, and Heretics reprogrammed, so both would have the strength to offer relevant strength against the Reapers, but this would .. well... dead Tali. Unpleasant.

Basically I have a bit of trouble seeing a win/win outcome. You can argue for peace and withhold the evidence, but that obviously carries little weight.

Or is there permutations there I haven't run into yet?

High levels of Paragon or Renegade ability alter the dialogue options and can shift the power balance (presumably). It is possible to have Tali found not guilty without revealing her father's work AND encourage the Admiralty board not to go to war (whether they will listen is another matter). This utilises the Paragon path. The Renegade path can achieve the same innocent verdict for Tali without revealing her father's work but would have you encourage war to the admiral's. Or you can just go for the neutral response in either the Paragon or Renegade dialogues in regards to a war with the Geth.

[Lord_Moose]

damage incorp96 wrote...

The_KFD_Case wrote...

damage incorp96 wrote...

http://www.nooooooooooooooo.com/

I love that. That button is nothing short of pure win!

Can't over use it though, must wait for a truly epic Tali fail. Like Telling her not now sweetie, maybe later.

Like Exactly what happened to me in my dream

[The_KFD_Case]

Lord_Moose wrote...

I'm going to go ahead and say, I Wont Need The Heretic Geth.
There are at least Millions upon Millions of mobile platforms of good geth,
all of which are combat ready.
There are presently a load of floating scrap metal in the veil composed of disabled heretic geth.
Get me a melting pot, and i'll make sommmore!
Geth can quite literally build more geth in a short amount of time when the need arises. Looking back on an unfortunate but accurate happening in the past, the Alera: The geth that overtook the ship built more of themselves after taking control of the place, easily making more then amount previously guesstimated by the admirals.

They guessed between 10 to 50 Heretics on the research vessel. I didn't count them but I got the impression there were definitely more than 10 but possibly less than 50. They do appear to be able to replicate quickly given the right resources.

P.S. Am I the only one not impressed by the Quarian marines performance on that mission? Given the confined parameters of the mission objective it should "simply" be a matter of the butcher's bill before you wear the Geth down presuming they have weaponry that can destroy Geth (which they do). Poor martial showing there by the Quarians....Or perhaps they are less willing to sacrifice life given their more precarious situation. Guess the question comes down to whether a full scale research ship is deemed more valuable than several dozen marines' lives. Short term vs. long term.

Modifié par The_KFD_Case, 22 février 2010 - 04:39 .

[damage incorp96]

Niveneh wrote...

SPOILER WARNING!

I figure this has been discussed before in one (or a hundred) of the 1900 pages... yikes, that's a lot.. that has gone before. So, just asking for those in the know:

I'm seeing two possibilities, unfortunately.
#1: You give the Flotilla the evidence for Tali's father's guilt. He is condemned, she hates your guts, and is killed on the collector ship because she isn't loyal/focused, but the Flotilla does not go to war against the Geth and still exists in ME3.

#2: You don't give the flotillla the evidence, Tali is loyal and survives the mission, they try to go to war against the Geth, and Tali and the Flotilla are wiped out.

#3: As #2 but Tali survives somewhere but probably isn't very happy.

Possibly, if you blow up the Heretic Geth instead of reprogramming them, the Flotilla can win, but probably a fairly Phyrric victory. Best outcome - for the universe and the flotilla - would be no war, and Heretics reprogrammed, so both would have the strength to offer relevant strength against the Reapers, but this would .. well... dead Tali. Unpleasant.

Basically I have a bit of trouble seeing a win/win outcome. You can argue for peace and withhold the evidence, but that obviously carries little weight.

Or is there permutations there I haven't run into yet?

Worst situation: Give evidence to flotilla, they disband. Half want war & half want peace, Tali says this in engineering after you hand over evidence.

Best situation (as I see): don't hand over evidence, don't get Tali exiled but put all the cards on the table at trial. Point out what each admiral is working towards and inform the quarians. Flotilla doesn't disband.
 
Hopefully wait for me3 where you can either lead the quarians in a battle to re-take Rannoch, or lead a peace envoy with both Tali and Legion in tow to broker a peace treaty with Quarians living on planet surface & Geth in orbit (which I think I remember reading they prefer living on space stations to being planetbound).

Either way imo, the Geth/Quarian outcome will greatly determine sucess or failure in war against Reapers

[RevanKun123]

The_KFD_Case wrote...

RevanKun123 wrote...

You...I....You think...How could you...When...
"Muttered to herself" Okay...calm down....try not to do anything irrational....like strangle KFD and then beat him to death...

I love it when you talk dirty to me.

You are utterly impossible !

"Just saw nitefyre410 replied"  UGH the blasphemer has return.

[Indie Thompson]

The_KFD_Case wrote...

cutthecameras wrote...

I can't remember what Legion's logic behind the reprogramming is.

It sounds to me like he is violating his core belief that all life must self-determinate...

IIRC, Legion's logic amounts to saying that the Heretics might as well be reset since the alternative is destruction and that they are not living beings in the same sense that organics understand such a concept. Also, the Geth (i.e. Legion) does not reach an internal consensus. There are three more votes in favour of reprogramming the Heretics than than the votes in favour of destroying them.

Actually, the thing is that the heretics fallowed Sovereign, but they started attacking organics after Sovereign implanted the virus in the geth programming. Or that is what i gathered at least. So if we take out the virus, the heretics could go and think indeed about what they did and how it was wrong really.
So re-programming would actually give the heretics a chance to see the errors in their old ways and also to see that Sovereign was evil/bad. And that Sovereign basically stands against everything geth believe.

[The_KFD_Case]

RevanKun123 wrote...

The_KFD_Case wrote...

RevanKun123 wrote...

You...I....You think...How could you...When...
"Muttered to herself" Okay...calm down....try not to do anything irrational....like strangle KFD and then beat him to death...

I love it when you talk dirty to me.

You are utterly impossible !

"Just saw nitefyre410 replied"  UGH the blasphemer has return.

I love you too, Revan. C'mon. Just go with it. *sways slowly to harmonious, rhythmic music*

Modifié par The_KFD_Case, 22 février 2010 - 04:42 .

[DrakeforBake]

When Legion gives you the results of his decision the numbers are off. 39 Geth hadn't made a decision one way or the other. It's quite a swing vote.

Anyway this troublemaker is gonna head off. Busy day ahead.

Keep the love coming for Tali. <3

Modifié par DrakeforBake, 22 février 2010 - 04:44 .

[HereticSon]

DarchAngelDavid wrote...

HereticSon wrote...

Nitefyre410: I agree, All i knew about the Rachni Wars was second hand knowledge not the whole story, i need to know more about what situation is before I commit Genocide like that ... it just felt wrong to kill her

- I hear you. All I was able to find out about the Rachni Wars in ME was that the rachni grew too strong, and the krogan were tasked by the council races to ending their spreading across the galaxy, ending with the rachni being extinct. Luckily, in ME 2 you can ask the asari sent to deliever you a message from the rachni queen about the Rachni Wars. It seems like the Reapers somehow indoctricated or "brainwashed" the rachni, which only gives me another reason to turn them into scrap metal in ME 3

Yeah I didnt kill them off in any of my ME1 play throughs.  Even when I was a renegade it just didnt sit right with me.  Knowing how real life is the story always just seemd like half truths.  The media is like that playing things the way they need you to hear them.  I am curious to see how things are going to play out in ME3 because the Queen clearly said she was going to be there to help you and they have some serious tech skills.

second that.

[Lord_Moose]

I will not allow 3 to be greater then 2!!!

Burn the Heretics!

[Relinquished2]

Dem hips are hypnotic! O_O

[cutthecameras]

Indie Thompson wrote...

The_KFD_Case wrote...

cutthecameras wrote...

I can't remember what Legion's logic behind the reprogramming is.

It sounds to me like he is violating his core belief that all life must self-determinate...

IIRC, Legion's logic amounts to saying that the Heretics might as well be reset since the alternative is destruction and that they are not living beings in the same sense that organics understand such a concept. Also, the Geth (i.e. Legion) does not reach an internal consensus. There are three more votes in favour of reprogramming the Heretics than than the votes in favour of destroying them.

Actually, the thing is that the heretics fallowed Sovereign, but they started attacking organics after Sovereign implanted the virus in the geth programming. Or that is what i gathered at least. So if we take out the virus, the heretics could go and think indeed about what they did and how it was wrong really.
So re-programming would actually give the heretics a chance to see the errors in their old ways and also to see that Sovereign was evil/bad. And that Sovereign basically stands against everything geth believe.

OH

Yeah. I knew there was something. That all makes a lot of sense.

[R34P3RR3D33M3R]

Aaand done with Insanity. Even better, this time I actually got to save Tali from falling instead of Samara.



Now I should get to that ME1 playthrough.. but.. but... *sigh*

[Andy_Samar]

Hello all !
300 pages, well done !

<3 Tali <3

[The_KFD_Case]

R34P3RR3D33M3R wrote...

Aaand done with Insanity. Even better, this time I actually got to save Tali from falling instead of Samara.

Now I should get to that ME1 playthrough.. but.. but... *sigh*

Samara died? That beautiful, strong, sophisticated Asari warrior monk?

[RevanKun123]

R34P3RR3D33M3R wrote...

Aaand done with Insanity. Even better, this time I actually got to save Tali from falling instead of Samara.

Now I should get to that ME1 playthrough.. but.. but... *sigh*

Do that mean that nobody important die this time?

Modifié par RevanKun123, 22 février 2010 - 04:55 .

[Relinquished2]

The_KFD_Case wrote...

R34P3RR3D33M3R wrote...

Aaand done with Insanity. Even better, this time I actually got to save Tali from falling instead of Samara.

Now I should get to that ME1 playthrough.. but.. but... *sigh*

Samara died? That beautiful, strong, sophisticated Asari warrior monk?

Take it like a man!

[apinya]

I presume that the tactic to defeat reaper will be depend on the choice between peace or war with geths. For example. if we help quarians take their home word, we can use empty (few quarians to operate) migrant fleet as a shield generator to hold the line for the entire space ship and Tali will have a new skill to call for support fire from ship. In contrast, if we chose the peace the geth will act as a main front line while the quarian will not use their ship for all out assault.