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[Jake71887]

R34P3RR3D33M3R wrote...

Hmm, I have to be careful now, or I'll accidentally make both Ashley and Liara fall in love with me, which would lead to the catfight situation. And catfight situation means you have to pick one, can't drop both.

Which leads me to my next random question;
Who do you people leave behind on Virmire, Kaidan or Ashley, and for what reasons?

Kiadan, because despite his womanly attitude, he lacks breasts. 

[Himmelstor]

R34P3RR3D33M3R wrote...

Hmm, I have to be careful now, or I'll accidentally make both Ashley and Liara fall in love with me, which would lead to the catfight situation. And catfight situation means you have to pick one, can't drop both.

Which leads me to my next random question;
Who do you people leave behind on Virmire, Kaidan or Ashley, and for what reasons?

Kaidan, usually. Most annoying of two.

What does have to do with Tali?

[turelhimvampire]

Hey, when did the Doctor arrive?



Evening Doc!

[Aardvark-8]

Dark_Caduceus wrote...

The immune system loss is two-fold. Firstly, they already had weak immune systems due to the biology of their home world, Rannoch. Being forced into the Flotilla isn't the reason that they have weak immune systems, but it makes sure they never build a resistance to everyday pathogens and the like. Essentially they have a crippled immune system with little hope of improving naturally.

Point conceded. Though strictly biologically speaking, choosing to completely seal themselves into sterile enviro-suits would be self-condemning if their physiology worked at all like human.  Every quarian doctor would have to know that, and they would probably have taken a great lot of steps to prevent the damage to their immune systems.
Perhaps they couldn't do this because of their limited resources?
Tali's "allergic reaction" explanation of quarian illnesses works well with the pathogens from other species; what would actually be devastating as an infection rather than allergic reaction would be old quarian pathogenes. Those wouldn't have had the time to change sufficiently so they wouldn't affect quarians, but lack of exposure to them during the earliest phases of immunity system's maturation would result in quarian bodies having little defense against their intrusion into the body. So if it's true that pathogens targeting levo-amino-acid-based species can't cause an infection in a quarian, Tali should only be afraid of Garrus's bacteria; otherwise the prudent course of action would be to supress the immune reaction rather  than bolster it as she did. However, it is safe to assume she simply chose not to be precise in talking to Shepard... And then it wouldn't have been all that dangerous unless anything I didn't take into account comes out.

Point of what I said is that quarian biology is rather consistently and well described. Also from what we know, quarians seem  to work quite a lot like us humans, supporting my theory of pale complexion as a result of lack of stimulation.

A lot of words spent trying to say ME2 is an awesome game, kudos to Bioware 

Tali forever,
Keelah se'lai

[RogueWriter3201]

KironDrayga wrote...


My first post here and it has to be about Tali.

Let me tell you my story. You see, I'm an interesting sort of Tali fan. I'll confess something: I really didn't care much for her in ME1. She was a fine character -- I liked just about all the ME1 squadmates -- but she didn't stick out. Her traits felt generic and tied to her history as a Quarian, and aside from her unique species it was difficult to ascertain her true personality. I didn't mind the find that you couldn't pursue her as a romantic interest. At that point, she seemed a bit too young to woo, and both Ashley and Liara caught my attention.

But then something fascinating happened during my Mass Effect 2 playthrough. My perspective completely changed. And what's interesting is that I can narrow down the point where I started to find Tali a really attractive LI option to a single moment of throwaway dialogue.

During Tali's mission, you eventually enter what once was her base of operations on the planet she and her Quarian task force had infiltrated. There's a completely optional voicemail of sorts you can listen in on if you investigate the equipment in the area. The recording apparently took place quite some time ago -- maybe when Tali and the rest of the universe thought Shepard was dead, or maybe after she learned he was alive. The details don't really matter, but what I liked was that one of my old ME1 squadmates actually *missed me.* And she brought Shepard up in the course of a dialogue that had nothing whatsoever to do with him. He just entered her thoughts.

...I thought that was profoundly sweet, and quite possibly one of my favorite moments in the game, and even more emotionally uplifting than all the hugs and the makeout sessions and the cute flirtations.

At that point, Ashley, my LI in ME1, had treated me like dirt. It was a perfectly fine plot development and I understood why Bioware turned up the romantic tension by making Ashley and Shepard completely unable to communicate their respective positions. They both messed up, and they both looked like fools, but it didn't change the fact that I felt profoundly saddened by Ashley's betrayal. It sounded as if she had genuinely moved on, and that those two years had led her to develop a life independent of Shepard. I understood her motives. And I still like Ashley plenty as a character. But it left me feeling...lonely. And terrible for my poor Shepard, who really didn't want to join Cerberus in the first place.

Ashley's hostility and lack of interest came somewhat out of left field but Liara's was straight out of the ballpark. In ME1 she was sweet, kind, understanding, thoroughly interested in being friendly (or more) with Shepard. In ME2 she's turned into someone barely recognizable. And like Ashley, she didn't seem much excited by Shepard's presence. There was a brief moment of recognition, and then she went right back into her newfound badass mode, but like with Ashley the scenes felt sterile. There was no energy...no connection. The irony was it felt as if both Ashley and Liara had died (not Shepard), and they'd been replaced by unrecognizable fragments of their former selves.

Then there's Garrus. I love that Turian to death, and eventually Shepard seemed able to break through and reconnect with him. But at first, I was honestly surprised at how devoid of emotion the reunion was. There was a great plot-related explanation for this (Garrus had a crappy time on Omega, he became a different person, he was jaded through his failed attempts at leadership.) While the spark of friendship was still there -- and that was more than I could say for Ashley or Liara -- my paragon Shepard had taught Garrus to be a kinder, less impulsive and more understanding being, and all those lessons seemed to have no impact on Garrus' life trajectory. It wasn't until a peaceful resolution to his loyalty mission that I felt things really went "back to normal" between us. Until then -- as of when I embarked on Tali's recruitment mission -- Garrus seemed like a shadow of his former self, too, and an emotional resonance just seemed to be missing.

So back when I'm about to recruit Tali, I'm somewhat devastated over my ME1 squadmates. Liara and Ashley feel like lost causes. Garrus is technically on my team, but he doesn't seem quite himself. I hadn't yet run into Wrex on the Krogan homeworld; at that point I was likely to assume Wrex wasn't appearing in ME2 at all. It just felt very desolate. As if Shepard was all alone in his new Cerberus world with only Joker and the Doctor to remind him of old times.

...And then I heard that sweet little line in Tali's recording.
Finally! Someone appreciated Shepard! Someone *cared* about him! Someone remembered him, and actually wished he was present in her life!
From that moment on, initial impressions of Tali be damned, I made it my mission to woo that Quarian straight to my personal quarters. Absolutely nothing would stop me.

So, yeah; here's hoping we can hear another unexpected recording from Tali before recruiting her in ME3.

I know I'm not the first, but, let me Welcome you to the Forums none the less my Fellow Tali-mancer. I think many of us can relate to your experience. I know my own very much mirrored yours. When I first got to know Tali, I instantly had a soft spot for her, and found her to be the most engaging character in ME1 bar none. However, it was obvious the Story was trying to paint her as the 'Kid Sister' character, so I tried to bury my attraction and move on. Not long after, I was introduced to the Tali Love Thread on the Original ME Forums and the talk going around that not only had she been meant to be a Love Interest in ME1, but that her growing popularity was moving her towards being a LI in ME2. So, when ME2 released, I went in hoping that she would be but trying to not get my hopes up as I figured that even if she was a LI, it would be very Platonic. Much to my Joy, that was not the case.

From the Moment you encounter her on Freedom's Progress, there is a connection, Electricity, between John Shepard and Tali. The quiver in her voice as she exclaims: "You're...Alive?!", and then, despite all the Horrors she's just had to witness via the Death of Prata and his team, to hear the sincere desire in her voice to go with Shepard when asked after Veetor's rescue pulled my Heart Strings and I knew this would become something special. And, of Course, as you pointed out, Tali's recording on Haestrom conviced me beyond a shadow of a doubt that not only was Tali perhapes the one person who had never really moved on with her Life in regards to Shepard, but that out of all the women who had loved him, she was the only one who would never Love anyone else. So, long story short, it's awesome that you now share something we all do. Welcome to the Tali_Love Family.

[Rashala]

I think my forum avatars proof enough that I am on teh team tali side.....







though I do wonder.........................I men you are well getting biblical with your paramours....is there no chance of well.............Kids?

[Himmelstor]

Himmelstor wrote...

Shameless Self Promotion:
The Doctor prescribes fanfiction!
Part Four of Act II: Descent is up in blog!
Please read and comment! And enjoy!

Please...?
Or will hormonally sterilize you...?
With sugar on top...?

..............

[MMA7FF]

R34P3RR3D33M3R wrote...

Hmm, I have to be careful now, or I'll accidentally make both Ashley and Liara fall in love with me, which would lead to the catfight situation. And catfight situation means you have to pick one, can't drop both.

Which leads me to my next random question;
Who do you people leave behind on Virmire, Kaidan or Ashley, and for what reasons?

its off topic
but ya haha i left kaiden the first time in 07 cause ashley was my relation ship but after playing me2 im sooooo nuking her ass on virmir this playthrough
and i dint kno you couldnt woo em both at the same time lol they cat fight each other???
awesome haha:P

[Himmelstor]

turelhimvampire wrote...

Hey, when did the Doctor arrive?

Evening Doc!

While ago.
Good evening.
Of course, time relative to position....
Is morning on Tuchanka.
Need to do tests.
Ensure cu-mean genophage working....

[R34P3RR3D33M3R]

Himmelstor wrote...
What does have to do with Tali?

Since it's about Mass Effect, it's closer to Tali than at least 50% of the conversations we get in this thread each day, but to get it even more on topic: I always do Virmire with Tali in my squad. You too?

And yeah, I usually also left Kaidan behind, for sexist reasons. It's just easier to leave a man to die a hero, for some reason.
Thinking about leaving Ashley behind now, though... hmm.

[magnuskn]

R34P3RR3D33M3R wrote...

Hmm, I have to be careful now, or I'll accidentally make both Ashley and Liara fall in love with me, which would lead to the catfight situation. And catfight situation means you have to pick one, can't drop both.

God, I hated that I couldn't simply tell Ashley to bugger off, after I told Liara that I wasn't interested ( before the cat fight ). But you get to stop the romance by being rude when Udina impeaches the Normandy, so I got her to finally back off.

No conflicting LIs for my perfect paragon Shepard, who only loves Tali.

Which leads me to my next random question;
Who do you people leave behind on Virmire, Kaidan or Ashley, and for what reasons?

Kaidan. Because, as annoying as Ashley was sometimes, I didn't want her to martyr herself to clear her grandfathers name. Also, Kaidan had migraines, so dying must have been a bit of a relief for him.

[R34P3RR3D33M3R]

MMA7FF wrote...

R34P3RR3D33M3R wrote...

Hmm, I have to be careful now, or I'll accidentally make both Ashley and Liara fall in love with me, which would lead to the catfight situation. And catfight situation means you have to pick one, can't drop both.

Which leads me to my next random question;
Who do you people leave behind on Virmire, Kaidan or Ashley, and for what reasons?

its off topic
but ya haha i left kaiden the first time in 07 cause ashley was my relation ship but after playing me2 im sooooo nuking her ass on virmir this playthrough
and i dint kno you couldnt woo em both at the same time lol they cat fight each other???
awesome haha:P

They confront you on the Normandy, and try to make you choose. Then you get a Renegade option, "Catfight!".
Shepard will basically ask "Can't I have you both?", which will cause Ashley to leave, and Liara to... thank you for "choosing" her. Pretty hilarious, really.

[Himmelstor]

R34P3RR3D33M3R wrote...

Himmelstor wrote...
What does have to do with Tali?

Since it's about Mass Effect, it's closer to Tali than at least 50% of the conversations we get in this thread each day, but to get it even more on topic: I always do Virmire with Tali in my squad. You too?

And yeah, I usually also left Kaidan behind, for sexist reasons. It's just easier to leave a man to die a hero, for some reason.
Thinking about leaving Ashley behind now, though... hmm.

Always bring Tali.

[MMA7FF]

Himmelstor wrote...

Himmelstor wrote...

Shameless Self Promotion:
The Doctor prescribes fanfiction!
Part Four of Act II: Descent is up in blog!
Please read and comment! And enjoy!

Please...?
Or will hormonally sterilize you...?
With sugar on top...?

..............

doc youll get no were with sterilization threats lol:P

[Jake71887]

R34P3RR3D33M3R wrote...

They confront you on the Normandy, and try to make you choose. Then you get a Renegade option, "Catfight!".
Shepard will basically ask "Can't I have you both?", which will cause Ashley to leave, and Liara to... thank you for "choosing" her. Pretty hilarious, really.

Hilarious? I thought it was terribly disappointing... I roleplay my shepard as a downright playa... 

[Himmelstor]

MMA7FF wrote...

Himmelstor wrote...

Himmelstor wrote...

Shameless Self Promotion:
The Doctor prescribes fanfiction!
Part Four of Act II: Descent is up in blog!
Please read and comment! And enjoy!

Please...?
Or will hormonally sterilize you...?
With sugar on top...?

..............

doc youll get no were with sterilization threats lol:P

...threats...?
Doctors shouldn't joke....

[The_KFD_Case]

RevanKun123 wrote...

danteshepard wrote...

The_KFD_Case wrote...
Bah! Insecure macho-ism is so contradictory!

I would have used a more romantic metafor. I just can't come up with one yet.

“Perhaps the mission of those who love mankind is to make people laugh at the truth, to make truth laugh, because the only truth lies in learning to free ourselves from insane passion for the truth.”

(Umberto Eco quote, Italian Novelist)

Ouh! I do not recall coming across that quote before, though I do like it's central message very much! 

[MMA7FF]

R34P3RR3D33M3R wrote...

MMA7FF wrote...

R34P3RR3D33M3R wrote...

Hmm, I have to be careful now, or I'll accidentally make both Ashley and Liara fall in love with me, which would lead to the catfight situation. And catfight situation means you have to pick one, can't drop both.

Which leads me to my next random question;
Who do you people leave behind on Virmire, Kaidan or Ashley, and for what reasons?

its off topic
but ya haha i left kaiden the first time in 07 cause ashley was my relation ship but after playing me2 im sooooo nuking her ass on virmir this playthrough
and i dint kno you couldnt woo em both at the same time lol they cat fight each other???
awesome haha:P

They confront you on the Normandy, and try to make you choose. Then you get a Renegade option, "Catfight!".
Shepard will basically ask "Can't I have you both?", which will cause Ashley to leave, and Liara to... thank you for "choosing" her. Pretty hilarious, really.

bahahah i may just do that on this playthrough ive never seen that hahaha
so either way you get to be with liara? cause shes my LI in me1
if only you could woo Tali.....
id toss em both off a cliff just to have tali be my LI in me1

[wolfstanus]

KironDrayga wrote...
(holy crap lots of words)

That is exactly how I kinda felt. Although I did manage to get Ash back "kinda" she started up that "captain my captain" stuff with me in a email. So I went to the citadel were she said she would be. I did not find her and went "ffffffffffffffu"

So i made a new game. were I did not do the LI thing with her and did things right for once. besides conrad... I actualy got him killed and he came back to life like me so I shot him in the foot... beside the point... but...

Anyways Tali is the only one that actually like my Shepard from the get go. But I kinda liked her from the first game so I allready was going to woo her.

Now that I have wood her and everything im waiting for ME3. im just wondering how much of a timeframe ti will be from ME2. Since the Reapers are a few tens of thousands lightyears away and all. If your LI will still be around in the third game at all or will they do the same as in ME2 be there but not really there.

Modifié par wolfstanus, 22 février 2010 - 11:13 .

[Zhijn]

This topic need some new tali pictures!.

[The_KFD_Case]

Jake71887 wrote...

R34P3RR3D33M3R wrote...

They confront you on the Normandy, and try to make you choose. Then you get a Renegade option, "Catfight!".
Shepard will basically ask "Can't I have you both?", which will cause Ashley to leave, and Liara to... thank you for "choosing" her. Pretty hilarious, really.

Hilarious? I thought it was terribly disappointing... I roleplay my shepard as a downright playa... 

Aye, I actually feel pangs of genuine guilt over that now that I know whom I can romance (I had no idea BioWare had decided to make Tali an LI in ME2). And yet my hormones finds Miranda, Samara and Tali very attractive. Damn caveman primate living in this body of mine!  ....Or perhaps it is my spirit inhabiting the body of that damn caveman primate? Hmm. Food for throught.

[The_KFD_Case]

Zhijn wrote...

This topic need some new tali pictures!.

Beautiful! They go quite well with Tchaikovsky's "1812 Overture" that I was just listening to. Thank you kindly.