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[Phil725]

gkillerrin wrote...

Phil725 wrote...
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I always qualify that statement about skin color by saying that the evidence is circumstantial at best.  My opinion, is that suits and visors are purple by default, and quarians have the option of customizing the suits however they like.  When I was on the flotilla last, I counted something like 16/20 visors as purple, and almost all suits as purple.  That seems to support purple being the main color.  That suit is their appearance to quarians, it wouldn't make sense that they couldn't customize it how they liked.  It still seems that purple is the default though.  And I still contend that being analogous to skin color is a better reason than they all like purple.

Its all speculation though.  We really have no evidence on skin color at this point.

well not really, you also have to factor in that the suites are handed down, and they just made them purple, because of the way their eyes are deeper, or higher into the UV spectrum, soo maby purple is blue to them or some wierd thing, and since they have to moniter the fleet so it doesnt grow or shrink, they will always have 7.5 million suits at any given time being used, the rest are split between ships, and maby purple is just easier to manufacture since they are in space and lack manufacturing plants, or materials for manufacturing as they put most of it into fixing ships, and the cloth is just naturally purple and they cant afford to get different dye... and if they feel like wasteing money to upgrade it why the hell not, but most just dont care as they all  have the we want to be the same type mortality

Well I think the we're lazy from a development standpoint and don't want to design 30 different quarians is the most likely explanation if there is one. 

I see them not caring about their appearance as being the least likely of the ones listed.  I don't remember any specific example in game, but I got the impression that quarians were very expressive, and one of the ways was through the intricate designs on their suits.  While Bioware obviously wouldn't put the level of detail in Tali's suit into every quarian, I can't see most people just not caring about how they look.  If people can't see your face, you would make extra sure that your suit looked nice.  I can't see money in that situation being a huge sticking point, and beauty is always worth money to all people.  Again, this leads back to most of them preferring purple for one reason or another.

While some scientific explanation like the one you listed is possible, there's really no evidence for or against it right now, so its just as much speculation as saying that they're purple.

And if you want to delve into some esoteric metagaming reasoning, there's also the fact that no other race is purple, and that Bioware would probably like to avoid giving Tali a human skin tone.  Especially if they have a largely human face already planned for her.

[cannedcream]

sergio71785 wrote...

I think Quarians would be free to decorate their suits however they wanted.

Customizing your suit would be the only way of making yourself look different than others; of making yourself distinct. 

Indeed.
I think if BioWare had the time and data space, we'd see that each Quarian suit was unique in some way, shape, or form.

[Phil725]

gkillerrin wrote...
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OHH...
Also to make things easier for the quarians, they probally color-coat the suites depending on what job you do on the fleet, if your a civilian/engeneer your suit is purple, if your a soldier your suit is black, that type of thing...

I suppose thats possible, but I still can't see the quarians stifling creativity in the civilian sector like that.  Your basically telling your entire population that you have to dress the same.  If you already can't see other people's faces, that's kind of pushing it for telling people apart.

I also don't think all soldiers wear the same colors when you see them on Haestrom and Freedom's Progress do they?

[gkillerrin]

gkillerrin wrote...

sergio71785 wrote...

I think Quarians would be free to decorate their suits however they wanted.

Customizing your suit would be the only way of making yourself look different than others; of making yourself distinct. 

thats why kal'reegar has 2 suites one purple one and one black one, one is for showing he's a soldier while in fleet also thiese suites are more comfortable, the other is more combat enhanced to protection during battle and less comforable, thiese ones can be customised... not the other one you wear while in fleet

Also you have to remember Quarians aren't going for style points, They are fighting for their verry survival while on flotilla with hardly any resources, They take what they can get... they dont care as much about looking different, they all know eachother so well they can tell who it is without color coordination by voice, and posture (Book: Assension)
Remember they cant afford to have the same values as we have such as indivuality, as they cant afford it while trying to survive.

[cannedcream]

Okay, it's late and I think I caused enough chaos for one night.



Keelah se'lai, friends and neighbors.



Keep fighting the good fight.

[gkillerrin]

Phil725 wrote...

gkillerrin wrote...
*snip*
OHH...
Also to make things easier for the quarians, they probally color-coat the suites depending on what job you do on the fleet, if your a civilian/engeneer your suit is purple, if your a soldier your suit is black, that type of thing...

I suppose thats possible, but I still can't see the quarians stifling creativity in the civilian sector like that.  Your basically telling your entire population that you have to dress the same.  If you already can't see other people's faces, that's kind of pushing it for telling people apart.

I also don't think all soldiers wear the same colors when you see them on Haestrom and Freedom's Progress do they?

Remember they cant afford to have the same values as we have... values such as individuality

they dont care as much about looking different, they all know eachother so well they can tell who it is without color coordination by voice, and posture (Book: Assension) Remember they cant afford to have the same
values as we have such as indivuality, as they cant afford it while trying to survive.

Modifié par gkillerrin, 27 mars 2010 - 08:00 .

[gkillerrin]

Phil725 wrote...

gkillerrin wrote...
*snip*
OHH...
Also to make things easier for the quarians, they probally color-coat the suites depending on what job you do on the fleet, if your a civilian/engeneer your suit is purple, if your a soldier your suit is black, that type of thing...

I suppose thats possible, but I still can't see the quarians stifling creativity in the civilian sector like that.  Your basically telling your entire population that you have to dress the same.  If you already can't see other people's faces, that's kind of pushing it for telling people apart.

I also don't think all soldiers wear the same colors when you see them on Haestrom and Freedom's Progress do they?

to me /'s mean or, so what that really says are civilians, OR engeneers

[DrakeforBake]

For the record, Asari are already shades of blue and purple so there's no need for more purple people.



Also, I don't think Kal'Reegar changed suit from Haestrom rather it's just the lighting.

[Phil725]

gkillerrin wrote...

gkillerrin wrote...

sergio71785 wrote...

I think Quarians would be free to decorate their suits however they wanted.

Customizing your suit would be the only way of making yourself look different than others; of making yourself distinct. 

thats why kal'reegar has 2 suites one purple one and one black one, one is for showing he's a soldier while in fleet also thiese suites are more comfortable, the other is more combat enhanced to protection during battle and less comforable, thiese ones can be customised... not the other one you wear while in fleet

Also you have to remember Quarians aren't going for style points, They are fighting for their verry survival while on flotilla with hardly any resources, They take what they can get... they dont care as much about looking different, they all know eachother so well they can tell who it is without color coordination by voice, and posture (Book: Assension)
Remember they cant afford to have the same values as we have such as indivuality, as they cant afford it while trying to survive.

Are they really fighting for their lives at this point though?  Garrel (I think,) makes the point that they're too comfortable in their current situation, and need something to light the fire under people to want to reclaim the homeworld.  If they were constantly fighting for survival, they would probably be a lot more desperate to resolve the situation.  I kind of got the feeling that aside from being more succeptable to a serious attack, every day life wasn't severely hindered on the flotilla.

Individuality seems like a pretty big thing to give up.  Especially when you don't have to, and can retain it by dressing how you want.  They don't lose anything from wearing whatever color they want.

[Phil725]

DrakeforBake wrote...

For the record, Asari are already shades of blue and purple so there's no need for more purple people.

Also, I don't think Kal'Reegar changed suit from Haestrom rather it's just the lighting.

Asari are mainly blue.  The only purple ones are very dark IIRC.  If quarians were mainly a light lavender shade, I don't see that conflicting with them at all.  Especially if Bioware goes back and eliminates purple asari in ME3

Being the same color as a handful of asari is a lot better than being the same color as all humans.

[gkillerrin]

Phil725 wrote...

gkillerrin wrote...

gkillerrin wrote...

sergio71785 wrote...

I think Quarians would be free to decorate their suits however they wanted.

Customizing your suit would be the only way of making yourself look different than others; of making yourself distinct. 

thats why kal'reegar has 2 suites one purple one and one black one, one is for showing he's a soldier while in fleet also thiese suites are more comfortable, the other is more combat enhanced to protection during battle and less comforable, thiese ones can be customised... not the other one you wear while in fleet

Also you have to remember Quarians aren't going for style points, They are fighting for their verry survival while on flotilla with hardly any resources, They take what they can get... they dont care as much about looking different, they all know eachother so well they can tell who it is without color coordination by voice, and posture (Book: Assension)
Remember they cant afford to have the same values as we have such as indivuality, as they cant afford it while trying to survive.

Are they really fighting for their lives at this point though?  Garrel (I think,) makes the point that they're too comfortable in their current situation, and need something to light the fire under people to want to reclaim the homeworld.  If they were constantly fighting for survival, they would probably be a lot more desperate to resolve the situation.  I kind of got the feeling that aside from being more succeptable to a serious attack, every day life wasn't severely hindered on the flotilla.

Individuality seems like a pretty big thing to give up.  Especially when you don't have to, and can retain it by dressing how you want.  They don't lose anything from wearing whatever color they want.

I addressed this far back, The cloth is naturally purple, and they buy the dyes if they want, and they can still customise 1 suit, their combat suit, the other one they have to wear while on the flotilla because they can get easier security clearence, and its more effecient, and THEY DONT CARE, they place all thiese values on knowing abuot eachother their posture and such and whatever, all learned from Assension, this is an uneven playing field, if you havent read it , its like me arguing with a wall... all the information to back me up is in assension, soo if you need proof read it... Remember every species has different values, what may be important to us is not to another, only basic things like food, shelter, and water, and saftey are the only universial ones.

[DrakeforBake]

Phil725 wrote...

Asari are mainly blue.  The only purple ones are very dark IIRC.  If quarians were mainly a light lavender shade, I don't see that conflicting with them at all.  Especially if Bioware goes back and eliminates purple asari in ME3

Being the same color as a handful of asari is a lot better than being the same color as all humans.

You humans are all racist!

Though Bioware seems to be branching out into green Asari. <3

[Phil725]

gkillerrin wrote...
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Remember they cant afford to have the same values as we have... values such as individuality

they dont care as much about looking different, they all know eachother so well they can tell who it is without color coordination by voice, and posture (Book: Assension) Remember they cant afford to have the same
values as we have such as indivuality, as they cant afford it while trying to survive.

Individuality isn't some expensive extravagant thing.  It can be obtained with a few tiny details on your suits appearance.  It doesn't have to be time consuming or expensive.  The only reason to limit individuality is in some kind fascist society that wants everyone to be the same.  I didn't get that vibe from the quarians.

Telling each other apart isn't really the main concern, as much as it is looking how you want.  Small things like that are important to people.

[DrakeforBake]

Quick question for anyone who's read Ascension before I pack it in for the night. Are Quarians supposed to have a second suit for combat? The game didn't even hint at this and I'm curious because it makes sense.

[Phil725]

gkillerrin wrote...
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I addressed this far back, The cloth is naturally purple, and they buy the dyes if they want, and they can still customise 1 suit, their combat suit, the other one they have to wear while on the flotilla because they can get easier security clearence, and its more effecient, and THEY DONT CARE, they place all thiese values on knowing abuot eachother their posture and such and whatever, all learned from Assension, this is an uneven playing field, if you havent read it , its like me arguing with a wall... all the information to back me up is in assension, soo if you need proof read it... Remember every species has different values, what may be important to us is not to another, only basic things like food, shelter, and water, and saftey are the only universial ones.

I really should read Ascension, it would help me in situations like these

I thought I had heard most of the quarian related info from it by now, but this suit stuff is new to me.  So the reason they're all purple is that the material is purple, and they don't care about appearance enough to change it?

As unlikely as that sounds, I guess I kind of have to accept it if thats whats stated in the book.  The book and game definitely seem to be painting conflicting pictures for me.

I do question how much of the book Bioware is just going to completely disregard in ME3 though.

[gkillerrin]

Phil725 wrote...

DrakeforBake wrote...

For the record, Asari are already shades of blue and purple so there's no need for more purple people.

Also, I don't think Kal'Reegar changed suit from Haestrom rather it's just the lighting.

Asari are mainly blue.  The only purple ones are very dark IIRC.  If quarians were mainly a light lavender shade, I don't see that conflicting with them at all.  Especially if Bioware goes back and eliminates purple asari in ME3

Being the same color as a handful of asari is a lot better than being the same color as all humans.

well not really, their are alot of identificators, plus they evolved on the same grounds as humans did, except one went Dextro-Animo(quarians), and one went Animo (US) and their sun is pretty much the same as ours, but a bit further into the the UV specrum , making it totally logical for them to be paleish/bageish if exposed to sun instead of being inside of suites all life... and since of their way something happened that made their world darker, wether it be sun or something with the planet, they adapted to that

*SPECULATION UNTILL STATED DONE*


http://s39.photobuck...rent=Tali-1.jpg


Look at the wireish things on their forehead, it looks alot organic doesn't it, well it could work the same way as biolumenesence fish on floor of our ocean, but its smaller than those fishes because they dont need it as much..

Hair because it is the best option to distributing pollen to other plants because without insects plants rely on large mammals to survive

while their are also marking on the cheeks that look like gillish, or wrinkles which would probally be for something else that the third book will give information on something similar to for me to be able to back those up

while the eyes are normal humanish, while their is an extra iris that is blue and is used for the "Glowing Effect" through their visors, but essentially it would allow them to see in the dark by gathering any light possible and focusing it outwards (kinda like cat eyes, but specificly an extra iris that does that)

*SPECULATION DONE*
any questions?

Modifié par gkillerrin, 27 mars 2010 - 08:23 .

[gkillerrin]

DrakeforBake wrote...

Quick question for anyone who's read Ascension before I pack it in for the night. Are Quarians supposed to have a second suit for combat? The game didn't even hint at this and I'm curious because it makes sense.

Yes kal'regar has a purple one, and a dark dark black one

[gkillerrin]

Phil725 wrote...

gkillerrin wrote...
*snip*
I addressed this far back, The cloth is naturally purple, and they buy the dyes if they want, and they can still customise 1 suit, their combat suit, the other one they have to wear while on the flotilla because they can get easier security clearence, and its more effecient, and THEY DONT CARE, they place all thiese values on knowing abuot eachother their posture and such and whatever, all learned from Assension, this is an uneven playing field, if you havent read it , its like me arguing with a wall... all the information to back me up is in assension, soo if you need proof read it... Remember every species has different values, what may be important to us is not to another, only basic things like food, shelter, and water, and saftey are the only universial ones.

I really should read Ascension, it would help me in situations like these

I thought I had heard most of the quarian related info from it by now, but this suit stuff is new to me.  So the reason they're all purple is that the material is purple, and they don't care about appearance enough to change it?

As unlikely as that sounds, I guess I kind of have to accept it if thats whats stated in the book.  The book and game definitely seem to be painting conflicting pictures for me.

I do question how much of the book Bioware is just going to completely disregard in ME3 though.

yes, and also it has to do with Quarians wouldn't have the same values as humans do...aside from Food, Water, Shelter, and Protection

Bioware writes the book, so I see Hardly any to none

Modifié par gkillerrin, 27 mars 2010 - 08:22 .

[DrakeforBake]

gkillerrin wrote...

DrakeforBake wrote...

Quick question for anyone who's read Ascension before I pack it in for the night. Are Quarians supposed to have a second suit for combat? The game didn't even hint at this and I'm curious because it makes sense.

Yes kal'regar has a purple one, and a dark dark black one

That'll have to do I guess.

Fair travels fellow Tali lovers.

G'night and Keelah se'lai.

[Phil725]

gkillerrin wrote...

Phil725 wrote...

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I really should read Ascension, it would help me in situations like these

I thought I had heard most of the quarian related info from it by now, but this suit stuff is new to me.  So the reason they're all purple is that the material is purple, and they don't care about appearance enough to change it?

As unlikely as that sounds, I guess I kind of have to accept it if thats whats stated in the book.  The book and game definitely seem to be painting conflicting pictures for me.

I do question how much of the book Bioware is just going to completely disregard in ME3 though.

Bioware writes the book, so I see Hardly any to none

I thought the book was written by one guy, who's on a team of writers working for Bioware for the ME series.  While they aren't going to completely ignore them, Bioware should be able to ignore some book details that make it difficult for them to work around.

Again, I don't know enough about the books to comment fully, but I know ME2 Cerberus/TIM is absolutely nothing like book Cerberus/TIM.  They seemed to completely disregard the books in that aspect.

[gkillerrin]

Phil725 wrote...

gkillerrin wrote...
*snip*
OHH...
Also to make things easier for the quarians, they probally color-coat the suites depending on what job you do on the fleet, if your a civilian/engeneer your suit is purple, if your a soldier your suit is black, that type of thing...

I suppose thats possible, but I still can't see the quarians stifling creativity in the civilian sector like that.  Your basically telling your entire population that you have to dress the same.  If you already can't see other people's faces, that's kind of pushing it for telling people apart.

I also don't think all soldiers wear the same colors when you see them on Haestrom and Freedom's Progress do they?

those are the combat suites, not the (im dubing the ones on the flotilla civilians) civilian ones

[gkillerrin]

Phil725 wrote...

gkillerrin wrote...

Phil725 wrote...

*snip*

I really should read Ascension, it would help me in situations like these

I thought I had heard most of the quarian related info from it by now, but this suit stuff is new to me.  So the reason they're all purple is that the material is purple, and they don't care about appearance enough to change it?

As unlikely as that sounds, I guess I kind of have to accept it if thats whats stated in the book.  The book and game definitely seem to be painting conflicting pictures for me.

I do question how much of the book Bioware is just going to completely disregard in ME3 though.

Bioware writes the book, so I see Hardly any to none

I thought the book was written by one guy, who's on a team of writers working for Bioware for the ME series.  While they aren't going to completely ignore them, Bioware should be able to ignore some book details that make it difficult for them to work around.

Again, I don't know enough about the books to comment fully, but I know ME2 Cerberus/TIM is absolutely nothing like book Cerberus/TIM.  They seemed to completely disregard the books in that aspect.

Yeah, but its pretty much the same isnt it? one guy at bioware whos a story writer, works with the whole team when he gets stuck... gets imput, is influenced by the rest of the team
one guy=Bioware, if you can understand it its kinda confusing
1 guys is writing it, but his opinions and ideas are influenced by the rest of the team...

and, did something happen to TIM after the book takes place between then and now?, something could have made him more extreme/evil... bringing a man back from the dead tends to do that to you

[gkillerrin]

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gkillerrin wrote...

ANY ONE ELSE HERE OTHER THAN ME AND PHILL725

I'm somewhat around. Was fiddling around, making the sig banner *points below*, playing DA:O and gonna have dinner soonish.

[gkillerrin]

Okay, I'm gonna head to bed, see you at 12PMish eastern Keelah Se'lai, nice interesting conversation with you