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[Gust4v]

Me

and Tali

[Phil725]

gkillerrin wrote...
*snip*

well not really, their are alot of identificators, plus they evolved on the same grounds as humans did, except one went Dextro-Animo(quarians), and one went Animo (US) and their sun is pretty much the same as ours, but a bit further into the the UV specrum , making it totally logical for them to be paleish/bageish if exposed to sun instead of being inside of suites all life... and since of their way something happened that made their world darker, wether it be sun or something with the planet, they adapted to that

*SPECULATION UNTILL STATED DONE*

*snip*

Look at the wireish things on their forehead, it looks alot organic doesn't it, well it could work the same way as biolumenesence fish on floor of our ocean, but its smaller than those fishes because they dont need it as much..

Hair because it is the best option to distributing pollen to other plants because without insects plants rely on large mammals to survive

while their are also marking on the cheeks that look like gillish, or wrinkles which would probally be for something else that the third book will give information on something similar to for me to be able to back those up

while the eyes are normal humanish, while their is an extra iris that is blue and is used for the "Glowing Effect" through their visors, but essentially it would allow them to see in the dark by gathering any light possible and focusing it outwards (kinda like cat eyes, but specificly an extra iris that does that)

*SPECULATION DONE*
any questions?

To clarify my earlier point.  I was just going off the simple, no evidence assumption that Bioware would prefer to have the quarians have their own skin color, and if they did, it would most likely be purple.  That's just a complete guess as to whether Bioware cares if they make quarians the same color as humans or not.

I don't really have any interest on speculating on the fan art face.  It looks good, but that would really be speculating on speculation, thats getting kind of far out there.  I'm just focused solely on skin color. 

I really have no idea what would cause a specific race to be a specific color.  While quarians evolved in a similar situation as us, its possible that they have different biology altogether, leading to a different color as well.  They are aliens after all.  There's just too many variables at this point to be able to point to a most likely color. 

Honestly, I don't have the scientific know how to be able to explain why asari are blue and drell are green.  And frankly, I doubt it factors into how Bioware draws Tali.  I think the easiest reasoning is that they'll draw her how they picture her, and retcon the situation to fit the face. 

[gkillerrin]

Archonsg wrote...

gkillerrin wrote...

ANY ONE ELSE HERE OTHER THAN ME AND PHILL725

I'm somewhat around. Was fiddling around, making the sig banner *points below*, playing DA:O and gonna have dinner soonish.

Okay well keep Phill entertained for me, Keelah Se'lai

[Phil725]

gkillerrin wrote...

Okay, I'm gonna head to bed, see you at 12PMish eastern Keelah Se'lai, nice interesting conversation with you

Goodbye.



And regardless of any facts, I'm still expecting a purple Tali

[gkillerrin]

Phil725 wrote...

gkillerrin wrote...
*snip*

well not really, their are alot of identificators, plus they evolved on the same grounds as humans did, except one went Dextro-Animo(quarians), and one went Animo (US) and their sun is pretty much the same as ours, but a bit further into the the UV specrum , making it totally logical for them to be paleish/bageish if exposed to sun instead of being inside of suites all life... and since of their way something happened that made their world darker, wether it be sun or something with the planet, they adapted to that

*SPECULATION UNTILL STATED DONE*

*snip*

Look at the wireish things on their forehead, it looks alot organic doesn't it, well it could work the same way as biolumenesence fish on floor of our ocean, but its smaller than those fishes because they dont need it as much..

Hair because it is the best option to distributing pollen to other plants because without insects plants rely on large mammals to survive

while their are also marking on the cheeks that look like gillish, or wrinkles which would probally be for something else that the third book will give information on something similar to for me to be able to back those up

while the eyes are normal humanish, while their is an extra iris that is blue and is used for the "Glowing Effect" through their visors, but essentially it would allow them to see in the dark by gathering any light possible and focusing it outwards (kinda like cat eyes, but specificly an extra iris that does that)

*SPECULATION DONE*
any questions?

To clarify my earlier point.  I was just going off the simple, no evidence assumption that Bioware would prefer to have the quarians have their own skin color, and if they did, it would most likely be purple.  That's just a complete guess as to whether Bioware cares if they make quarians the same color as humans or not.

I don't really have any interest on speculating on the fan art face.  It looks good, but that would really be speculating on speculation, thats getting kind of far out there.  I'm just focused solely on skin color. 

I really have no idea what would cause a specific race to be a specific color.  While quarians evolved in a similar situation as us, its possible that they have different biology altogether, leading to a different color as well.  They are aliens after all.  There's just too many variables at this point to be able to point to a most likely color. 

Honestly, I don't have the scientific know how to be able to explain why asari are blue and drell are green.  And frankly, I doubt it factors into how Bioware draws Tali.  I think the easiest reasoning is that they'll draw her how they picture her, and retcon the situation to fit the face. 

But it was speculation based on logical speculation, err or whatever...

I showed the exact Reason why it would be like that, Hair is a must, as i stated, and the skin color needs to be pailish/baigeish because of what i detailed before the speculation part

[Archonsg]

gkillerrin wrote...

*snip*

1 guys is writing it, but his opinions and ideas are influenced by the rest of the team...

and, did something happen to TIM after the book takes place between then and now?, something could have made him more extreme/evil... bringing a man back from the dead tends to do that to you

It is interesting to note that whether you go Paragon or Renegade path, TIM's character is given a "loophole"  that allows him to be the next "evil bad boss" to eliminate along the way to getting rid of the reapers.

Give him the Base and he'll go Megalomaniacal on you. Destroy the base and he has reason to hate you, after all, how ungrateful can you get, after he spent Billions to bring you back and you not only middle fingered him, you co-opted one of his best and trusted aids to your cause. Mirranda has her faults but that one moment when she flipped TIM off was one of the better parts of the game that made me re-evaluate her value to me as a team member.

[Phil725]

But the stuff before the speculation works on the assumption that quarians have the same biology as humans. While its possible, they're still a fictitious race in a sci fi story. In this situation, creative license and appearance overall kind of trump the science. They can explain any face they want to give her. It comes down to whether you want to argue what their face "should" look like scientifically, or what it most likely will look like in ME3 if they reveal her face.



In the more likely scenario, I see an alien skin tone. Bioware will find some way to explain that scientifically, if they have to make something up to make it make sense they can.

[Phil725]

Archonsg wrote...

gkillerrin wrote...

*snip*

1 guys is writing it, but his opinions and ideas are influenced by the rest of the team...

and, did something happen to TIM after the book takes place between then and now?, something could have made him more extreme/evil... bringing a man back from the dead tends to do that to you

It is interesting to note that whether you go Paragon or Renegade path, TIM's character is given a "loophole"  that allows him to be the next "evil bad boss" to eliminate along the way to getting rid of the reapers.

Give him the Base and he'll go Megalomaniacal on you. Destroy the base and he has reason to hate you, after all, how ungrateful can you get, after he spent Billions to bring you back and you not only middle fingered him, you co-opted one of his best and trusted aids to your cause. Mirranda has her faults but that one moment when she flipped TIM off was one of the better parts of the game that made me re-evaluate her value to me as a team member.

It would be interesting if they made him someone you had to fight after the reapers.  I can't really see him trying to stop you before the reapers are dead, he isn't that dumb.  It would be kind of weird if the reapers weren't the final boss of the ME3 trilogy though.

[sergio71785]

(On my phone)

That's a good point about hair and pollen, i never thought of that.

[Archonsg]

Phil725 wrote...

Archonsg wrote...

gkillerrin wrote...

*snip*

1 guys is writing it, but his opinions and ideas are influenced by the rest of the team...

and, did something happen to TIM after the book takes place between then and now?, something could have made him more extreme/evil... bringing a man back from the dead tends to do that to you

It is interesting to note that whether you go Paragon or Renegade path, TIM's character is given a "loophole"  that allows him to be the next "evil bad boss" to eliminate along the way to getting rid of the reapers.

Give him the Base and he'll go Megalomaniacal on you. Destroy the base and he has reason to hate you, after all, how ungrateful can you get, after he spent Billions to bring you back and you not only middle fingered him, you co-opted one of his best and trusted aids to your cause. Mirranda has her faults but that one moment when she flipped TIM off was one of the better parts of the game that made me re-evaluate her value to me as a team member.

It would be interesting if they made him someone you had to fight after the reapers.  I can't really see him trying to stop you before the reapers are dead, he isn't that dumb.  It would be kind of weird if the reapers weren't the final boss of the ME3 trilogy though.

Maybe I have watched too much Anime (am thinking of Gundam...the old series...not the new junk)  / Political Dramas  but I am expecting TIM to turn on you just as he thinks victory is assured. Thus not only will humanity have defeated the Reapers, he'd get rid of the one team whom with their combined knowledge, poses a much greater threat to him personally then any government agency in the past. EDI with her Quantum Bit, Mirranda with intimate Cerberus chain of command knowledge and of course Shepard whom he knows is a fracking Juggernaut should he turn his attention towards Cerberus.
So, I'd expect a "preemptive strike" against at the moment of Victory against the Reapers, or just before that.

[sergio71785]

You know what I can see happening in ME3? TIM trying to get the Normandy back. EDI might be important enough for him to try and take the ship back. Maybe Miranda will be convinced to help with that? Would explain why she has so much plot armor to keep her alive on the suicide mission.

[Phil725]

Archonsg wrote...

Phil725 wrote...

*snip*

It would be interesting if they made him someone you had to fight after the reapers.  I can't really see him trying to stop you before the reapers are dead, he isn't that dumb.  It would be kind of weird if the reapers weren't the final boss of the ME3 trilogy though.

Maybe I have watched too much Anime (am thinking of Gundam...the old series...not the new junk)  / Political Dramas  but I am expecting TIM to turn on you just as he thinks victory is assured. Thus not only will humanity have defeated the Reapers, he'd get rid of the one team whom with their combined knowledge, poses a much greater threat to him personally then any government agency in the past. EDI with her Quantum Bit, Mirranda with intimate Cerberus chain of command knowledge and of course Shepard whom he knows is a fracking Juggernaut should he turn his attention towards Cerberus.
So, I'd expect a "preemptive strike" against at the moment of Victory against the Reapers, or just before that.

He definitely has plenty of motivation for wanting you out of the picture, hitting when victory is assured sounds pretty tricky though.  I have no idea how they're going to write ME3, but the reapers seem like such an unknown that we're not going to have any idea whether they're defeatable or not until they're all dead.  I suppose its possible that civilization could have the war effectively won, after killing like 95% of the reapers, and that's when TIM would hit.  I'm slightly doubtful that he will end up fighting you at all though.  He would face a united army that just destroyed the reapers, not just Shepard's team.  And Cerberus is no reaper army.  He would have to pull a major rabbit out of his hat to pull off that war.

As much as everyone sees him as an enemy, I could see him being as helpful as anyone else against the reapers for the most part.  If not, its probably in his best interests to go back to how Cerberus is currently constituted.  A black ops organization looking to further humanity as a whole.  I really don't think hostile takeover of the galaxy is the best way to accomplish that, and would be surprised if that's how they go in ME3.

[Phil725]

sergio71785 wrote...

You know what I can see happening in ME3? TIM trying to get the Normandy back. EDI might be important enough for him to try and take the ship back. Maybe Miranda will be convinced to help with that? Would explain why she has so much plot armor to keep her alive on the suicide mission.

Hmm, I like it.  I would think that Miranda would lobby a little more for saving the collector base if that was the case though.  There is a good arguement for keeping it, she could argue that side and still be fully alligned with Shepard.  That said, her instantaneous switch from loyal to Cerberus who has protected her and her sister for their whole lives to telling them to screw off for no real apparent reason never really sat well with me.

We do seem to be lacking a betrayal in the ME series at this point as well.  Udina in ME1 is the best we've got, and no one liked Udina anyway.  Having a love interest completely backstabbing you would add some intrigue to the story.

[sergio71785]

"there are no matches in Android Market for search: tali"



aww, i was expecting a jigsaw puzzle app or soundboard

[Flaargman117]

Greetings mortals!!!

[valttu]

Phil725 wrote...

Archonsg wrote...

gkillerrin wrote...

*snip*

1 guys is writing it, but his opinions and ideas are influenced by the rest of the team...

and, did something happen to TIM after the book takes place between then and now?, something could have made him more extreme/evil... bringing a man back from the dead tends to do that to you

It is interesting to note that whether you go Paragon or Renegade path, TIM's character is given a "loophole"  that allows him to be the next "evil bad boss" to eliminate along the way to getting rid of the reapers.

Give him the Base and he'll go Megalomaniacal on you. Destroy the base and he has reason to hate you, after all, how ungrateful can you get, after he spent Billions to bring you back and you not only middle fingered him, you co-opted one of his best and trusted aids to your cause. Mirranda has her faults but that one moment when she flipped TIM off was one of the better parts of the game that made me re-evaluate her value to me as a team member.

It would be interesting if they made him someone you had to fight after the reapers.  I can't really see him trying to stop you before the reapers are dead, he isn't that dumb.  It would be kind of weird if the reapers weren't the final boss of the ME3 trilogy though.

@Archonsg: Yes you have good things there. I agree. And seeing Miranda turn her back to TIM made me appreciate her more, too. I don't hate Miranda, I just don't like her attitudes. In ME1 Ash disliked aliens, in ME2 Miranda thinks she's perfect and always reminds you that "TIM is in charge". (yeah, right... )

@gkillerrin: Indeed. But maybe TIM is a middle-boss-enemy in the game that you have to defeat? Who knows. But this is an idea that I've been thinking about:

You always play Paragon and use Paragon options with TIM, he eventually sees the truth. He sees that he has been an **** and that you are doing the right thing. In the end, he humbles, and gives all his resources for you to fight the Reapers, and he sort of gives up on Cerberus, and decides to vanish off the grid.

But in the end, after you've won, you talk to him once more, and if you're still Paragon to him, you can say something like: "Forget Cerberus... How'd you like a seat on the Council?" 

TIM BECOMES PARAGON!

[Wonko the Sane]

Hey what's up my fellow talimancers

[valttu]

Oh and btw I'M BACK!

[sergio71785]

Phil725 wrote...

sergio71785 wrote...

You know what I can see happening in ME3? TIM trying to get the Normandy back. EDI might be important enough for him to try and take the ship back. Maybe Miranda will be convinced to help with that? Would explain why she has so much plot armor to keep her alive on the suicide mission.

Hmm, I like it.  I would think that Miranda would lobby a little more for saving the collector base if that was the case though.  There is a good arguement for keeping it, she could argue that side and still be fully alligned with Shepard.  That said, her instantaneous switch from loyal to Cerberus who has protected her and her sister for their whole lives to telling them to screw off for no real apparent reason never really sat well with me.

We do seem to be lacking a betrayal in the ME series at this point as well.  Udina in ME1 is the best we've got, and no one liked Udina anyway.  Having a love interest completely backstabbing you would add some intrigue to the story.

Yeah I don't think shell be all evil about it, but I think TIM will remind her that Cerberus protects her sis, he'll promise not to. Hurt the crew, he'll let them all go, etc etc.

Modifié par sergio71785, 27 mars 2010 - 09:28 .

[Flaargman117]

valttu wrote...

Oh and btw I'M BACK!

My entrance was cooler.

[Archonsg]

Phil725 wrote...

sergio71785 wrote...

You know what I can see happening in ME3? TIM trying to get the Normandy back. EDI might be important enough for him to try and take the ship back. Maybe Miranda will be convinced to help with that? Would explain why she has so much plot armor to keep her alive on the suicide mission.

Hmm, I like it.  I would think that Miranda would lobby a little more for saving the collector base if that was the case though.  There is a good arguement for keeping it, she could argue that side and still be fully alligned with Shepard.  That said, her instantaneous switch from loyal to Cerberus who has protected her and her sister for their whole lives to telling them to screw off for no real apparent reason never really sat well with me.

We do seem to be lacking a betrayal in the ME series at this point as well.  Udina in ME1 is the best we've got, and no one liked Udina anyway.  Having a love interest completely backstabbing you would add some intrigue to the story.

Phil725 wrote...

He definitely has plenty of motivation
for wanting you out of the picture, hitting when victory is assured
sounds pretty tricky though.  I have no idea how they're going to write
ME3, but the reapers seem like such an unknown that we're not going to
have any idea whether they're defeatable or not until they're all dead. 
I suppose its possible that civilization could have the war effectively
won, after killing like 95% of the reapers, and that's when TIM would
hit.  I'm slightly doubtful that he will end up fighting you at all
though.  He would face a united army that just destroyed the reapers,
not just Shepard's team.  And Cerberus is no reaper army.  He would have
to pull a major rabbit out of his hat to pull off that war.

As
much as everyone sees him as an enemy, I could see him being as helpful
as anyone else against the reapers for the most part.  If not, its
probably in his best interests to go back to how Cerberus is currently
constituted.  A black ops organization looking to further humanity as a
whole.  I really don't think hostile takeover of the galaxy is the best
way to accomplish that, and would be surprised if that's how they go in
ME3.

I don't think Mirranda would betray you. Its likely though, since TIM does have her by the ****** on account of her sister, but, as Phil pointed out, I don't think he'll make an overt move.

He does not however, need to fight a war to kill Shepard and Crew.

Just need one or two capital ships gunnery officers bought or better yet sneak in a sabotage unit / device and *booom!* something servrely goes wrong inside the Normandy. If every hand on board dies during battle, you can't really point a finger at TIM now can you?
 Same with "friendly" fire, escpecially if TIM can arrange for an Alliance vessel or three to hit the Normandy, they could claim it was a SNAFU, and put blame either to faulty IFF sensors or malfunctioning targetting.

[Wonko the Sane]

 

sergio71785 wrote...

Yeah I don't think shell be all evil about it, but I think TIM will remind her that Cerberus protects her sis, he'll promise not to. Hurt the crew, he'll let them all go, etc etc.

I would agree we'd probably see Cerberus using Miranda's sister if there were some sort of betrayal in ME3

[valttu]

Flaargman117 wrote...

valttu wrote...

Oh and btw I'M BACK!

My entrance was cooler.

My "entrance" was an epic post about the future of TIM. The "I'm Back" comment was just... it was just an "I'm Back" comment...

[valttu]

Wonko the Sane wrote...

 

sergio71785 wrote...

Yeah I don't think shell be all evil about it, but I think TIM will remind her that Cerberus protects her sis, he'll promise not to. Hurt the crew, he'll let them all go, etc etc.

I would agree we'd probably see Cerberus using Miranda's sister if there were some sort of betrayal in ME3

If they do that, we'll have to come up with some sort of distraction plan...

[Phil725]

sergio71785 wrote...

Phil725 wrote...

sergio71785 wrote...

You know what I can see happening in ME3? TIM trying to get the Normandy back. EDI might be important enough for him to try and take the ship back. Maybe Miranda will be convinced to help with that? Would explain why she has so much plot armor to keep her alive on the suicide mission.

Hmm, I like it.  I would think that Miranda would lobby a little more for saving the collector base if that was the case though.  There is a good arguement for keeping it, she could argue that side and still be fully alligned with Shepard.  That said, her instantaneous switch from loyal to Cerberus who has protected her and her sister for their whole lives to telling them to screw off for no real apparent reason never really sat well with me.

We do seem to be lacking a betrayal in the ME series at this point as well.  Udina in ME1 is the best we've got, and no one liked Udina anyway.  Having a love interest completely backstabbing you would add some intrigue to the story.

Yeah I don't think shell be all evil about it, but I think TIM will remind her that Cerberus protects her sis, he'll promise not to. Hurt the crew, he'll let them all go, etc etc.

Ah yeah I misread your first post.  I thought you meant that she has been planning on turning on you from the beginning, and all throughout ME2.  I can easily see her hand being forced by TIM as well.  He has massive leverage on her with her sister.  He can basically kidnap her and that's that, she's choosing between Shepard and her sister.

She better be able to relocate her sister fast, because you know that TIM knows where she is, and thats the first place I would go to for revenge/leverage if I was him.