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[chool77]

sergio71785 wrote...

While on the subject, while I've only played paragon, from what I've observed from some videos and some save/load exploring, is that a lot of his renegade options when talking to Tali aren't even... renegade (not counting rejections of course). He almost seems like... an overprotective boyfriend or something.

see iv never been renegade to her .. so i dont know?

[Phil725]

chool77 wrote...

sergio71785 wrote...

chool77 wrote...

she could be manipulated.. think about it she trust shep sooooo much.

if he wanted to get some.. it would not take much talking

No, it would be easy for him. And it would probably be the most  ****hole-ish Renegade option in the scope of all the ME games. 

Not only would it be an unspeakable betrayel to her, it's a risk to her life. Basically, it goes beyond renegade and becomes simply evil. I think it would be out of character even for a Renegade Shepard. 

dont hold it above renegade shep.. the only thing they have not given him so far is lust.. which is not far off from where he is now

im not saying i like it .... but it could  happen

I feel like I have to defend renegade Shepard here.  He's a jerk/ass, but nowhere in the game does it even hint of him being that evil.  The worst renegade options in the game are explainable in some way.  What you're explaining is not defendable in any way.

Renegade just does not mean ruthlessly evil.

[Bamabamcz]

sergio71785 wrote...

While on the subject, while I've only played paragon, from what I've observed from some videos and some save/load exploring, is that a lot of his renegade options when talking to Tali aren't even... renegade (not counting rejections of course). He almost seems like... an overprotective boyfriend or something.

Guess the writers liked Tali a lot too lol and didn't want even renegade to be ***hole to her

Modifié par Bamabamcz, 30 mars 2010 - 07:58 .

[chool77]

Phil725 wrote...

chool77 wrote...

Phil725 wrote...

chool77 wrote...
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...? no one said it would be easy lol............

and jacks helped the story ..how? 

It helped explain her mind set a little better.  It showed her casual attitude towards sex first hand, and more importantly, it gives Shepard an opportunity to prove that his words are genuine.  Jack suspects he's just talking crap to score, like all other men in her life, and she basically tests him the only way she knows how.

ok ok true ture

but maybe shep does not even really win with tali if he goes for it all renegade like?

i just think if you have a the chance to screw up with jack.. then why not the other LI's

Because not all of the LIs are the same.  That's why its great.  A relationship with Tali, a young quarian with genuine feelings for you to start with is nothing like a hardened murderer who hates everything.  It would make no sense at all if they followed the same romance arc. 

..... shep is human.. some humans just view sex as something to do for fun.. why cant renagade shep have these view and still try to go for tali

[chool77]

Phil725 wrote...

chool77 wrote...

sergio71785 wrote...

chool77 wrote...

she could be manipulated.. think about it she trust shep sooooo much.

if he wanted to get some.. it would not take much talking

No, it would be easy for him. And it would probably be the most  ****hole-ish Renegade option in the scope of all the ME games. 

Not only would it be an unspeakable betrayel to her, it's a risk to her life. Basically, it goes beyond renegade and becomes simply evil. I think it would be out of character even for a Renegade Shepard. 

dont hold it above renegade shep.. the only thing they have not given him so far is lust.. which is not far off from where he is now

im not saying i like it .... but it could  happen

I feel like I have to defend renegade Shepard here.  He's a jerk/ass, but nowhere in the game does it even hint of him being that evil.  The worst renegade options in the game are explainable in some way.  What you're explaining is not defendable in any way.

Renegade just does not mean ruthlessly evil.

" dont tase me bro!!!"

i dont play renegade shep.. so i dont know.. but my paragon shep is soooooo good.. i just thought the opposite would be renegade!?

[sergio71785]

chool77 wrote...

sergio71785 wrote...

While on the subject, while I've only played paragon, from what I've observed from some videos and some save/load exploring, is that a lot of his renegade options when talking to Tali aren't even... renegade (not counting rejections of course). He almost seems like... an overprotective boyfriend or something.

see iv never been renegade to her .. so i dont know?

Well, like on her loyalty mission, when she's by that terminal. When she mentions her father promised to build her a house on the homeworld, he says something along the lines of "If he won't, then I will" (that's not it exactly, but it's something along those lines)

Another one is if you say "you're embarrased?" when she accidently admits having feelings for you. He goes "Wait, I can't tell under the helmet, are you blushing?" but he says it in a playful voice. 

Modifié par sergio71785, 30 mars 2010 - 08:02 .

[Phil725]

chool77 wrote...

Phil725 wrote...

chool77 wrote...

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ok ok true ture

but maybe shep does not even really win with tali if he goes for it all renegade like?

i just think if you have a the chance to screw up with jack.. then why not the other LI's

Because not all of the LIs are the same.  That's why its great.  A relationship with Tali, a young quarian with genuine feelings for you to start with is nothing like a hardened murderer who hates everything.  It would make no sense at all if they followed the same romance arc. 

..... shep is human.. some humans just view sex as something to do for fun.. why cant renagade shep have these view and still try to go for tali

Some humans do, but Shep isn't any human.  He is a fluid character, but he has set character maximums and minimums.  No matter what you do, you can't make Shepard a serial killing rapist.  It just isn't an option that Bioware gives you.  Its out of his character spectrum.  The act that your stating of manipulating and risking Tali's life for your own pleasure is out of that spectrum as well. 

[Phil725]

chool77 wrote...

Phil725 wrote...

chool77 wrote...

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dont hold it above renegade shep.. the only thing they have not given him so far is lust.. which is not far off from where he is now

im not saying i like it .... but it could  happen

I feel like I have to defend renegade Shepard here.  He's a jerk/ass, but nowhere in the game does it even hint of him being that evil.  The worst renegade options in the game are explainable in some way.  What you're explaining is not defendable in any way.

Renegade just does not mean ruthlessly evil.

" dont tase me bro!!!"

i dont play renegade shep.. so i dont know.. but my paragon shep is soooooo good.. i just thought the opposite would be renegade!?

Don't get me wrong, 100% renegade Shepard is a complete jerk, to the point that it most likely gets everyone killed.  That said, there is a limit to his evilness.  And what your describing is beyond that limit.

[chool77]

Phil725 wrote...

chool77 wrote...

Phil725 wrote...

chool77 wrote...

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ok ok true ture

but maybe shep does not even really win with tali if he goes for it all renegade like?

i just think if you have a the chance to screw up with jack.. then why not the other LI's

Because not all of the LIs are the same.  That's why its great.  A relationship with Tali, a young quarian with genuine feelings for you to start with is nothing like a hardened murderer who hates everything.  It would make no sense at all if they followed the same romance arc. 

..... shep is human.. some humans just view sex as something to do for fun.. why cant renagade shep have these view and still try to go for tali

Some humans do, but Shep isn't any human.  He is a fluid character, but he has set character maximums and minimums.  No matter what you do, you can't make Shepard a serial killing rapist.  It just isn't an option that Bioware gives you.  Its out of his character spectrum.  The act that your stating of manipulating and risking Tali's life for your own pleasure is out of that spectrum as well. 

twas a hypothetical question!

                      ................. but what if!!!!!!!!

[sergio71785]

Oh, another "Renegade" option is when you find her dad's body. The "The Geth cut him off" option makes him say "You don't know how he would've ended that message" (basically, suggesting that it could've ended with her father saying he loved her or something like that)

[chool77]

im glad we all see sleeping with tali just for sex is the most evil thing ever thought of lol

[Phil725]

sergio71785 wrote...

chool77 wrote...

sergio71785 wrote...

While on the subject, while I've only played paragon, from what I've observed from some videos and some save/load exploring, is that a lot of his renegade options when talking to Tali aren't even... renegade (not counting rejections of course). He almost seems like... an overprotective boyfriend or something.

see iv never been renegade to her .. so i dont know?

Well, like on her loyalty mission, when she's by that terminal. When she mentions her father promised to build her a house on the homeworld, he says something along the lines of "If he won't, then I will" (that's not it exactly, but it's something along those lines)

Another one is if you say "you're embarrased?" when she accidently admits having feelings for you. He goes "Wait, I can't tell under the helmet, are you blushing?" but he says it in a playful voice. 

I kind of assumed those were the only good ones, since they're the only ones I've seen mentioned on here before.  Not like I'm going to go around giving renegade responses to her though, so guess I won't know.

I do wish she would respond better to those renegade ones you listed though.  The promise on building her a house doesn't seem to have any effect at all, and the playful teasing could have been so much better.  As is, it sounds very clunky and out of place, going from teasing back to the normal dialogue.

[sergio71785]

chool77 wrote...

im glad we all see sleeping with tali just for sex is the most evil thing ever thought of lol

Well, there are worst things I can imagine, but within the scope of the games, I do think that would be the most "evil" thing renegade Shepard has done. 

I mean yeah, he kills a lot of people that don't need to die, but at the same time, those kills always have some tactical reasoning--someone who's dangerous to keep alive, someone who might attack back, etc.

[Bamabamcz]

chool77 wrote...

im glad we all see sleeping with tali just for sex is the most evil thing ever thought of lol

lol


gotta say both paragon Jack and Tali romances are really good can't say which one I liked more.

[chool77]

Phil725 wrote...

chool77 wrote...

Phil725 wrote...

chool77 wrote...

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ok ok true ture

but maybe shep does not even really win with tali if he goes for it all renegade like?

i just think if you have a the chance to screw up with jack.. then why not the other LI's

Because not all of the LIs are the same.  That's why its great.  A relationship with Tali, a young quarian with genuine feelings for you to start with is nothing like a hardened murderer who hates everything.  It would make no sense at all if they followed the same romance arc. 

..... shep is human.. some humans just view sex as something to do for fun.. why cant renagade shep have these view and still try to go for tali

Some humans do, but Shep isn't any human.  He is a fluid character, but he has set character maximums and minimums.  No matter what you do, you can't make Shepard a serial killing rapist.  It just isn't an option that Bioware gives you.  Its out of his character spectrum.  The act that your stating of manipulating and risking Tali's life for your own pleasure is out of that spectrum as well. 

i dont see how shep thinking sex is just for fun would stop him from doing his job?..   did not stop him for jack!!

Modifié par chool77, 30 mars 2010 - 08:09 .

[Phil725]

Bamabamcz wrote...

chool77 wrote...

im glad we all see sleeping with tali just for sex is the most evil thing ever thought of lol

lol


gotta say both paragon Jack and Tali romances are really good can't say which one I liked more.

I really like Jack's romance.  I had to watch it on youtube though because of the damn Talindoctrination

Its so hard to avoid all of Tali's random lines that make me fall for her

[sergio71785]

 

[Bamabamcz]

Phil725 wrote...

Bamabamcz wrote...

chool77 wrote...
im glad we all see sleeping with tali just for sex is the most evil thing ever thought of lol

lol
gotta say both paragon Jack and Tali romances are really good can't say which one I liked more.

I really like Jack's romance.  I had to watch it on youtube though because of the damn Talindoctrination

Its so hard to avoid all of Tali's random lines that make me fall for her

lmao ''Talindoctrination'' , I was in similiar situation with Leliana when I was playing DA:O, dunno why but I most of the time I end up romancing her, instead of say Morrigan or Zev

[chool77]

sergio71785 wrote...

 

any thing for you tali!!?

[sergio71785]

 "Right, right. Of course not... why would you?"

Saddest line in the game.  (When you tell her you don't share feelings for her)

Not that I ever chose it, only saw it on Youtube.

[Phil725]

chool77 wrote...

Phil725 wrote...

chool77 wrote...
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..... shep is human.. some humans just view sex as something to do for fun.. why cant renagade shep have these view and still try to go for tali

Some humans do, but Shep isn't any human.  He is a fluid character, but he has set character maximums and minimums.  No matter what you do, you can't make Shepard a serial killing rapist.  It just isn't an option that Bioware gives you.  Its out of his character spectrum.  The act that your stating of manipulating and risking Tali's life for your own pleasure is out of that spectrum as well. 

i dont see how shep thinking sex is just for fun would stop him from doing his job?..   did not stop him for jack!!

Jack offered to have sex with him.  Accepting her offer isn't a completely evil move.  Its the wrong thing to do, but it isn't risking her life, and you didn't have the intention of manipulating her into sex in the first place.

If Tali offered to have sex with you with no real provocation, it wouldn't be completely evil to accept her offer either.  The catch is that will never happen.  She can't have casual sex for one thing, its apples to oranges comparing Tali and Jack.  Jack can have all the sex she wants, with Tali, you risk her life.  Her mindset is also completely different than Jack.  She is in a first love stage with Shepard, and wants a real relationship.  She isn't going to go around offering sex just because she can, because she can't, and doesn't want to.

The assumption here is that to get the option with Tali, you would have to full out manipulate her into sex.  Which like I said, is beyond maximum renegade.

[Phil725]

sergio71785 wrote...

 "Right, right. Of course not... why would you?"

Saddest line in the game.  (When you tell her you don't share feelings for her)

Not that I ever chose it, only saw it on Youtube.

I'm just fine with those words never passing my ears, regardless of medium, thank you very much

If I ever do pull off a playthrough where I don't romance Tali (won't happen,) I would just never talk to her.

[tyler1991991]

sergio71785 wrote...

 "Right, right. Of course not... why would you?"

Saddest line in the game.  (When you tell her you don't share feelings for her)

Not that I ever chose it, only saw it on Youtube.

why did you have to say that now i am sad ...i could never ever say that to her

[Phil725]

tyler1991991 wrote...

sergio71785 wrote...

 "Right, right. Of course not... why would you?"

Saddest line in the game.  (When you tell her you don't share feelings for her)

Not that I ever chose it, only saw it on Youtube.

why did you have to say that now i am sad ...i could never ever say that to her

I request the adorable start of romance gif to counteract these negative waves

[Bamabamcz]

Phil725 wrote...

sergio71785 wrote...
 "Right, right. Of course not... why would you?"
Saddest line in the game.  (When you tell her you don't share feelings for her)
Not that I ever chose it, only saw it on Youtube.

I'm just fine with those words never passing my ears, regardless of medium, thank you very much
If I ever do pull off a playthrough where I don't romance Tali (won't happen,) I would just never talk to her.

That's what I do, I know that if I went to talk to her the romance thing would eventually come up and I would be all d'aaawwwwww instead of refusing