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[sergio71785]

Phil725 wrote...
Jack offered to have sex with him.  Accepting her offer isn't a completely evil move.  Its the wrong thing to do, but it isn't risking her life, and you didn't have the intention of manipulating her into sex in the first place.

If Tali offered to have sex with you with no real provocation, it wouldn't be completely evil to accept her offer either.  The catch is that will never happen.  She can't have casual sex for one thing, its apples to oranges comparing Tali and Jack.  Jack can have all the sex she wants, with Tali, you risk her life.  Her mindset is also completely different than Jack.  She is in a first love stage with Shepard, and wants a real relationship.  She isn't going to go around offering sex just because she can, because she can't, and doesn't want to.

The assumption here is that to get the option with Tali, you would have to full out manipulate her into sex.  Which like I said, is beyond maximum renegade.

This is worded extremely well and I agree 100%

I'd also like to comment that the phrase "maximum renegade" (not in the context you used it, of course) sounds utterly badass. I'm renaming the Normandy to that. 

[chool77]

Phil725 wrote...

chool77 wrote...

Phil725 wrote...

chool77 wrote...
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..... shep is human.. some humans just view sex as something to do for fun.. why cant renagade shep have these view and still try to go for tali

Some humans do, but Shep isn't any human.  He is a fluid character, but he has set character maximums and minimums.  No matter what you do, you can't make Shepard a serial killing rapist.  It just isn't an option that Bioware gives you.  Its out of his character spectrum.  The act that your stating of manipulating and risking Tali's life for your own pleasure is out of that spectrum as well. 

i dont see how shep thinking sex is just for fun would stop him from doing his job?..   did not stop him for jack!!

Jack offered to have sex with him.  Accepting her offer isn't a completely evil move.  Its the wrong thing to do, but it isn't risking her life, and you didn't have the intention of manipulating her into sex in the first place.

If Tali offered to have sex with you with no real provocation, it wouldn't be completely evil to accept her offer either.  The catch is that will never happen.  She can't have casual sex for one thing, its apples to oranges comparing Tali and Jack.  Jack can have all the sex she wants, with Tali, you risk her life.  Her mindset is also completely different than Jack.  She is in a first love stage with Shepard, and wants a real relationship.  She isn't going to go around offering sex just because she can, because she can't, and doesn't want to.

The assumption here is that to get the option with Tali, you would have to full out manipulate her into sex.  Which like I said, is beyond maximum renegade.

you dont know what his intentions are?!


well then how is it a "good" thing to risk having sex with tali in the first place... a true paragon would not want to risk her health in any way, or is that not in his spectrum:P

[chool77]

sergio71785 wrote...

Phil725 wrote...
Jack offered to have sex with him.  Accepting her offer isn't a completely evil move.  Its the wrong thing to do, but it isn't risking her life, and you didn't have the intention of manipulating her into sex in the first place.

If Tali offered to have sex with you with no real provocation, it wouldn't be completely evil to accept her offer either.  The catch is that will never happen.  She can't have casual sex for one thing, its apples to oranges comparing Tali and Jack.  Jack can have all the sex she wants, with Tali, you risk her life.  Her mindset is also completely different than Jack.  She is in a first love stage with Shepard, and wants a real relationship.  She isn't going to go around offering sex just because she can, because she can't, and doesn't want to.

The assumption here is that to get the option with Tali, you would have to full out manipulate her into sex.  Which like I said, is beyond maximum renegade.

This is worded extremely well and I agree 100%

I'd also like to comment that the phrase "maximum renegade" (not in the context you used it, of course) sounds utterly badass. I'm renaming the Normandy to that. 

i wanna rename the normandy to "cincinnatus"

if you dont know then google

[sergio71785]

Yeah, it's really sad. She says it in a very casual (obviously a defense) way, too. Damnit, I'm sad now that remember it.

I'm going to watch that Tali compilation vid to make myself feel better.

Modifié par sergio71785, 30 mars 2010 - 08:22 .

[Phil725]

Bamabamcz wrote...

Phil725 wrote...

sergio71785 wrote...
 "Right, right. Of course not... why would you?"
Saddest line in the game.  (When you tell her you don't share feelings for her)
Not that I ever chose it, only saw it on Youtube.

I'm just fine with those words never passing my ears, regardless of medium, thank you very much
If I ever do pull off a playthrough where I don't romance Tali (won't happen,) I would just never talk to her.

That's what I do, I know that if I went to talk to her the romance thing would eventually come up and I would be all d'aaawwwwww instead of refusing

But there are pitfalls everywhere.  You have to avoid Kelly's speech telling you that she's interested, you have to avoid the journal's on Haestrom, and her whole loyalty mission is a mine field that I haven't been able to get past without getting sucked in. 

"Its fun watching you shout."
"I got better, I got you."

I never had a chance.

[tyler1991991]

Phil725 wrote...

tyler1991991 wrote...

sergio71785 wrote...

 "Right, right. Of course not... why would you?"

Saddest line in the game.  (When you tell her you don't share feelings for her)

Not that I ever chose it, only saw it on Youtube.

why did you have to say that now i am sad ...i could never ever say that to her

I request the adorable start of romance gif to counteract these negative waves

i agree
from what i heard though when you say you like her and then break up with her right after i heard that was so mean and sad....put tali up before i cry

[Gust4v]

sergio71785 wrote...

 "Right, right. Of course not... why would you?"

Saddest line in the game.  (When you tell her you don't share feelings for her)

Not that I ever chose it, only saw it on Youtube.

Very sad..
To me the saddest lines are when you don't hug her and the conversation when she says "You have no idea what it is like" (in the Alerei too),  she sound angry but then sad.

[Phil725]

chool77 wrote...

Phil725 wrote...

chool77 wrote...

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i dont see how shep thinking sex is just for fun would stop him from doing his job?..   did not stop him for jack!!

Jack offered to have sex with him.  Accepting her offer isn't a completely evil move.  Its the wrong thing to do, but it isn't risking her life, and you didn't have the intention of manipulating her into sex in the first place.

If Tali offered to have sex with you with no real provocation, it wouldn't be completely evil to accept her offer either.  The catch is that will never happen.  She can't have casual sex for one thing, its apples to oranges comparing Tali and Jack.  Jack can have all the sex she wants, with Tali, you risk her life.  Her mindset is also completely different than Jack.  She is in a first love stage with Shepard, and wants a real relationship.  She isn't going to go around offering sex just because she can, because she can't, and doesn't want to.

The assumption here is that to get the option with Tali, you would have to full out manipulate her into sex.  Which like I said, is beyond maximum renegade.

you dont know what his intentions are?!


well then how is it a "good" thing to risk having sex with tali in the first place... a true paragon would not want to risk her health in any way, or is that not in his spectrum:P

Not sure what you mean, maximum paragon doesn't risk her health.  The break up option with her is a paragon option where you state that its too dangerous.  Its a good example of maximum paragon not always being the best course of action. 

Its a "good" move to have sex with her, because you can tell what Shepard means to her.  If she is willing to risk her life for you, that should be good enough.  She's a grown woman, she can make her own decisions about what's important to her.  Shep's feelings are real, and if her feelings are strong enough that she would risk everything, who am I to tell her that it isn't her decision to make?

[sergio71785]

tyler1991991 wrote...

from what i heard though when you say you like her and then break up with her right after i heard that was so mean and sad....put tali up before i cry

I heard it. She gets really angry/upset with you.

[chool77]

Phil725 wrote...

chool77 wrote...

Phil725 wrote...

chool77 wrote...

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i dont see how shep thinking sex is just for fun would stop him from doing his job?..   did not stop him for jack!!

Jack offered to have sex with him.  Accepting her offer isn't a completely evil move.  Its the wrong thing to do, but it isn't risking her life, and you didn't have the intention of manipulating her into sex in the first place.

If Tali offered to have sex with you with no real provocation, it wouldn't be completely evil to accept her offer either.  The catch is that will never happen.  She can't have casual sex for one thing, its apples to oranges comparing Tali and Jack.  Jack can have all the sex she wants, with Tali, you risk her life.  Her mindset is also completely different than Jack.  She is in a first love stage with Shepard, and wants a real relationship.  She isn't going to go around offering sex just because she can, because she can't, and doesn't want to.

The assumption here is that to get the option with Tali, you would have to full out manipulate her into sex.  Which like I said, is beyond maximum renegade.

you dont know what his intentions are?!


well then how is it a "good" thing to risk having sex with tali in the first place... a true paragon would not want to risk her health in any way, or is that not in his spectrum:P

Not sure what you mean, maximum paragon doesn't risk her health.  The break up option with her is a paragon option where you state that its too dangerous.  Its a good example of maximum paragon not always being the best course of action. 

Its a "good" move to have sex with her, because you can tell what Shepard means to her.  If she is willing to risk her life for you, that should be good enough.  She's a grown woman, she can make her own decisions about what's important to her.  Shep's feelings are real, and if her feelings are strong enough that she would risk everything, who am I to tell her that it isn't her decision to make?

ya i dont know what i mean any more ... im sleepy and what not


... ok ok well now where on to some thing:  paragon not being the right choice , why can they have the same thing with renegade twist ...

like " oh come on babe i know you want me"  or some thing

[sergio71785]

I chose the neutral option at the end of the (near the drivecore) dialog, and I really liked her response. It wasn't as good as "Oh..oh, right. Yes. Definitely..." but you tell her that you'll wait until she's ready, and she response with:

'I'll let you know, I promise." The way she says "I promise" is just so... :wub:

[chool77]

sergio71785 wrote...

tyler1991991 wrote...

from what i heard though when you say you like her and then break up with her right after i heard that was so mean and sad....put tali up before i cry

I heard it. She gets really angry/upset with you.

ya.... i regret watching it:crying:

poor tali

[sergio71785]

[chool77]

hahah ... tali was going to bring music....i bet it would have been from flux lol!

[Phil725]

chool77 wrote...

Phil725 wrote...

chool77 wrote...
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you dont know what his intentions are?!


well then how is it a "good" thing to risk having sex with tali in the first place... a true paragon would not want to risk her health in any way, or is that not in his spectrum:P

Not sure what you mean, maximum paragon doesn't risk her health.  The break up option with her is a paragon option where you state that its too dangerous.  Its a good example of maximum paragon not always being the best course of action. 

Its a "good" move to have sex with her, because you can tell what Shepard means to her.  If she is willing to risk her life for you, that should be good enough.  She's a grown woman, she can make her own decisions about what's important to her.  Shep's feelings are real, and if her feelings are strong enough that she would risk everything, who am I to tell her that it isn't her decision to make?

ya i dont know what i mean any more ... im sleepy and what not


... ok ok well now where on to some thing:  paragon not being the right choice , why can they have the same thing with renegade twist ...

like " oh come on babe i know you want me"  or some thing

You mean an option to just ask for sex without a relationship?  That wouldn't be out of the question for renegade Shep I guess, but there's no way that Tali would even consider it though.

[sergio71785]

 If all this sad Tali talk has got anyone, uh, sad, I recommend reading Chapter 4 (or all of it!) of my "Reunion" fanfic. It's all kinds of <3:wub:

[Flaargman117]

I just get here and we're talking about Shepard not loving Tali?
Yeah, real nice.

[sergio71785]

chool77 wrote...

hahah ... tali was going to bring music....i bet it would have been from flux lol!

It was going to be this song. 

[sergio71785]

Flaargman117 wrote...

I just get here and we're talking about Shepard not loving Tali?
Yeah, real nice.

To truly appreciate the positive, you must be familiar with the negative. 

[Phil725]

Flaargman117 wrote...

I just get here and we're talking about Shepard not loving Tali?
Yeah, real nice.

You log on and were talking about Tali, not beastiality or role play spamming or something else and you're complaining? <_<

And for the record, Shepard not loving Tali is a myth.  Completely untrue and impossible

[chool77]

Phil725 wrote...

chool77 wrote...

Phil725 wrote...

chool77 wrote...
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you dont know what his intentions are?!


well then how is it a "good" thing to risk having sex with tali in the first place... a true paragon would not want to risk her health in any way, or is that not in his spectrum:P

Not sure what you mean, maximum paragon doesn't risk her health.  The break up option with her is a paragon option where you state that its too dangerous.  Its a good example of maximum paragon not always being the best course of action. 

Its a "good" move to have sex with her, because you can tell what Shepard means to her.  If she is willing to risk her life for you, that should be good enough.  She's a grown woman, she can make her own decisions about what's important to her.  Shep's feelings are real, and if her feelings are strong enough that she would risk everything, who am I to tell her that it isn't her decision to make?

ya i dont know what i mean any more ... im sleepy and what not


... ok ok well now where on to some thing:  paragon not being the right choice , why can they have the same thing with renegade twist ...

like " oh come on babe i know you want me"  or some thing

You mean an option to just ask for sex without a relationship?  That wouldn't be out of the question for renegade Shep I guess, but there's no way that Tali would even consider it though.

sure.. i just dont see why shep cant have a mind set of "sex is sex" and still do his job

yes tali would shut him down and i would be all for that!!... but what i was asking was why youo could not even really try

[chool77]

sergio71785 wrote...

chool77 wrote...

hahah ... tali was going to bring music....i bet it would have been from flux lol!

It was going to be this song. 

oh god what have you done  :HARMONY HARMONY

[Phil725]

chool77 wrote...

Phil725 wrote...

chool77 wrote...

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ya i dont know what i mean any more ... im sleepy and what not


... ok ok well now where on to some thing:  paragon not being the right choice , why can they have the same thing with renegade twist ...

like " oh come on babe i know you want me"  or some thing

You mean an option to just ask for sex without a relationship?  That wouldn't be out of the question for renegade Shep I guess, but there's no way that Tali would even consider it though.

sure.. i just dont see why shep cant have a mind set of "sex is sex" and still do his job

yes tali would shut him down and i would be all for that!!... but what i was asking was why youo could not even really try

The same reason you can't have a new conversation with Tali after defeating the collectors or even respond to Ashley's email telling her you're no longer interested.  Limitations of the game.  They can't put in every possible situation, and they made the decision for you that Shepard thinks more of Tali than to even have that option.  I can't disagree

[Flaargman117]

Phil725 wrote...

Flaargman117 wrote...

I just get here and we're talking about Shepard not loving Tali?
Yeah, real nice.

You log on and were talking about Tali, not beastiality or role play spamming or something else and you're complaining? <_<

And for the record, Shepard not loving Tali is a myth.  Completely untrue and impossible

Yeah, but it's the morning. (over here at least) It's always on topic in the morning so that stuff didn't even cross my mind, but Sergio is right. I don't like it but he's right.

Modifié par Flaargman117, 30 mars 2010 - 08:44 .

[chool77]

Phil725 wrote...

chool77 wrote...

Phil725 wrote...

chool77 wrote...

*snip*

ya i dont know what i mean any more ... im sleepy and what not


... ok ok well now where on to some thing:  paragon not being the right choice , why can they have the same thing with renegade twist ...

like " oh come on babe i know you want me"  or some thing

You mean an option to just ask for sex without a relationship?  That wouldn't be out of the question for renegade Shep I guess, but there's no way that Tali would even consider it though.

sure.. i just dont see why shep cant have a mind set of "sex is sex" and still do his job

yes tali would shut him down and i would be all for that!!... but what i was asking was why youo could not even really try

The same reason you can't have a new conversation with Tali after defeating the collectors or even respond to Ashley's email telling her you're no longer interested.  Limitations of the game.  They can't put in every possible situation, and they made the decision for you that Shepard thinks more of Tali than to even have that option.  I can't disagree

ok ok .. you win i lose.. but it was a fight i did not want to win

give me a bro fist let me know every thing is okB)