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[alickar]

1490 wrote...

Jakegnosis wrote...

Exactly my position.  If you don't want a character to be ******- or bisexual, romance them as an opposite sex Shepard and they'll be hetero in your game.  It's not rocket science. 

What bothers me is that renegade Shepard can romance Tali.  Renegade Shepard is a dick.

I avoided romancing Tali this time with my renegade Shepard because he doesn't deserve her, lol

no he dsnt

[Jakegnosis]

1490 wrote...

Jakegnosis wrote...

Exactly my position.  If you don't want a character to be ******- or bisexual, romance them as an opposite sex Shepard and they'll be hetero in your game.  It's not rocket science. 

What bothers me is that renegade Shepard can romance Tali.  Renegade Shepard is a dick.

I avoided romancing Tali this time with my renegade Shepard because he doesn't deserve her, lol

YES!!! EXACTLY CORRECT!!! :happy:

[cutthecameras]

MMA7FF wrote...

cutthecameras wrote...

MMA7FF wrote...

cutt you must excuse the horny nerds they get very intrigued by your orientation...
im sure that gets on your nerves some times : /

I had a fun-filled day of lesbian double-standards at work.*

*brutal amounts of sarcasm

Yeah, I'm used to it. It's good to see some of you guys are reasonably open to the idea of same sex romance though. There may be a thread on it tomorrow if the group decides to move with it. Hopefully the trolls won't burn it to the ground in an instant and the mods won't lock it for "spoilers" or whatever other sorry excuse.

im open to the same sex relationships in games but i think itd deff have to be the kind of think you either choose your orientation at the begining of the game or your character would have to initiate the action not the npc cause it may turn off some of the hetero people if say jake suddenly came onto a male shep lol

Yeah that's a given. When has a romance subplot started without your consent anyway? Shepard always makes the first move. 'Sides I dunno about you but I looked up all the potential LIs as soon as they were confirmed. I picked out who I'd probably like, it was easy, there were no girls. <_<

[videowiz186]

Daurf815 wrote...
Well you continue to respond, follow your own advice and just stop responding!

Am sorry sir, but highly misinformed. Would you kindly give name of whoever posted hateful comments on your thread?

[NuclearBuddha]

Jakegnosis wrote...

mothbanquet wrote...

cutthecameras wrote...

Glad to see you agree Jake, that is refreshing. And yes.
Renegade Shepard is a dick. What more needs to be said?

That's a little harsh, don't you think?  I think a 'renegade' Sehpard would be a hell of a lot more likely than a goody-two-shoes saint.  Renegade Shep would be far more likely to save the galaxy because he is prepared to do what has to be done, regardless of such petty matters like 'morality'.  In reality, that is often the case.

Paragon Shepard would more likely set up street marches and print anti-reaper t shirts...

I thoroughly disagree.  Renegade Shepard is a callous and posturing sociopath.  Paragon Shepard is a goddamn inspiration, a warrior-diplomat who embodies the best qualities of humanity.  I think it's obvious who the galaxy would be more likely to unite behind.

Yeah, as far as I can tell, the difference is that paragon Shep gives you some encouragement and a chance to repent before he kills you and your friends to the last man.  I don't think it's too unlikely that he made it to where he is.

[mothbanquet]

Jakegnosis wrote...

mothbanquet wrote...

cutthecameras wrote...

Glad to see you agree Jake, that is refreshing. And yes.
Renegade Shepard is a dick. What more needs to be said?

That's a little harsh, don't you think?  I think a 'renegade' Sehpard would be a hell of a lot more likely than a goody-two-shoes saint.  Renegade Shep would be far more likely to save the galaxy because he is prepared to do what has to be done, regardless of such petty matters like 'morality'.  In reality, that is often the case.

Paragon Shepard would more likely set up street marches and print anti-reaper t shirts...

I thoroughly disagree.  Renegade Shepard is a callous and posturing sociopath.  Paragon Shepard is a goddamn inspiration, a warrior-diplomat who embodies the best qualities of humanity.  I think it's obvious who the galaxy would be more likely to unite behind.

I think it's interesting you view the character in just distinct shades of black and white.  I personally think both extremes are flawed and really really dull.  My Shep's 60% renegard and about 40% paragon.  He's no monster but he will do what has to be done. Much more human, that way.  i mean, what good is the saviour of humanity when he doesn't even seem human?

[Jakegnosis]

cutthecameras wrote...

MMA7FF wrote...

cutthecameras wrote...

MMA7FF wrote...

cutt you must excuse the horny nerds they get very intrigued by your orientation...
im sure that gets on your nerves some times : /

I had a fun-filled day of lesbian double-standards at work.*

*brutal amounts of sarcasm

Yeah, I'm used to it. It's good to see some of you guys are reasonably open to the idea of same sex romance though. There may be a thread on it tomorrow if the group decides to move with it. Hopefully the trolls won't burn it to the ground in an instant and the mods won't lock it for "spoilers" or whatever other sorry excuse.

im open to the same sex relationships in games but i think itd deff have to be the kind of think you either choose your orientation at the begining of the game or your character would have to initiate the action not the npc cause it may turn off some of the hetero people if say jake suddenly came onto a male shep lol

Yeah that's a given. When has a romance subplot started without your consent anyway? Shepard always makes the first move. 'Sides I dunno about you but I looked up all the potential LIs as soon as they were confirmed. I picked out who I'd probably like, it was easy, there were no girls. <_<

I found it weird that Jack wasn't available for either gender, considering she related a story about sleeping with a man and a woman.  Call me cynical, but I wonder if it wasn't motivated by the desire to not be the lead feature on Fox News (again).

[cutthecameras]

mothbanquet wrote...


They probably will, you can't expect the internet to he sensible or rational about something.  I've never really spoken about the subject before but I found female Shep's relationship with Liara in ME1 to be really deep and personable.  I don't see why this couldn't be extended to ME2, especially as the whole franchise is based around the concept of choice.

When people say 'Oh, Tali's a straight character, so she's off-limits' two thoughts spring to mind.  First, why do they care so much?  Nobody's forcing anything down their throats and if they don't like the idea then don't do it, is that really so hard?  Second, the whole ME experience is about personal interpretation.  Every Shepard is unique to us, and therefore every relationship with a secondary character is unique also.  Nobody can claim to 'know' anything about Tali, nor should they.

Phew, I'll stop there.

You make some great points.
Same stance I take on the subject, I'm assuming you can understand why I'd be a little distraught that Casey Hudson himself said that "Shepard is not gay" Flat out, just like that. Crap, maybe his Shepard isn't. But the Shepard I've created means something to me personally, and no one, not even the dev can take that away from me. I get to choose, sorry Hudson.

[Himmelstor]

NuclearBuddha wrote...

Jakegnosis wrote...

mothbanquet wrote...

cutthecameras wrote...

Glad to see you agree Jake, that is refreshing. And yes.
Renegade Shepard is a dick. What more needs to be said?

That's a little harsh, don't you think?  I think a 'renegade' Sehpard would be a hell of a lot more likely than a goody-two-shoes saint.  Renegade Shep would be far more likely to save the galaxy because he is prepared to do what has to be done, regardless of such petty matters like 'morality'.  In reality, that is often the case.

Paragon Shepard would more likely set up street marches and print anti-reaper t shirts...

I thoroughly disagree.  Renegade Shepard is a callous and posturing sociopath.  Paragon Shepard is a goddamn inspiration, a warrior-diplomat who embodies the best qualities of humanity.  I think it's obvious who the galaxy would be more likely to unite behind.

Yeah, as far as I can tell, the difference is that paragon Shep gives you some encouragement and a chance to repent before he kills you and your friends to the last man.  I don't think it's too unlikely that he made it to where he is.

Have you read Stone, Iron, and Lies? Act II: Descent?
Actually give good reasons why Renegades should be allowed Talimance...

[Daurf815]

mothbanquet wrote...

cutthecameras wrote...

MMA7FF wrote...

cutt you must excuse the horny nerds they get very intrigued by your orientation...
im sure that gets on your nerves some times : /

I had a fun-filled day of lesbian double-standards at work.*

*brutal amounts of sarcasm

Yeah, I'm used to it. It's good to see some of you guys are reasonably open to the idea of same sex romance though. There may be a thread on it tomorrow if the group decides to move with it. Hopefully the trolls won't burn it to the ground in an instant and the mods won't lock it for "spoilers" or whatever other sorry excuse.

They probably will, you can't expect the internet to he sensible or rational about something.  I've never really spoken about the subject before but I found female Shep's relationship with Liara in ME1 to be really deep and personable.  I don't see why this couldn't be extended to ME2, especially as the whole franchise is based around the concept of choice.

When people say 'Oh, Tali's a straight character, so she's off-limits' two thoughts spring to mind.  First, why do they care so much?  Nobody's forcing anything down their throats and if they don't like the idea then don't do it, is that really so hard?  Second, the whole ME experience is about personal interpretation.  Every Shepard is unique to us, and therefore every relationship with a secondary character is unique also.  Nobody can claim to 'know' anything about Tali, nor should they.

Phew, I'll stop there.

Well to be fair, if Bioware does not want Tali to be a female romance option, they can say it's because it's part of her character.

Now before you complain, here's an example:

In DA:O I created a character that was unique, a quality you desire in your characters it would seem. Anyway, I progress through the game and get Wynne to join me. I find her interesting, nice, smart, etc. and decide I want a romance with her. But, of course, I can't as she is elderly and does not wish for a relationship. Why? It's because it's part of her character.

I know that example might be lame, and Im not against same sex relationships in videogames, but making tali romancable to both sexes seems silly as, through the lines Bioware has written and what they have said about Tali's character, she shows no inclination to start a F/F romance.

[videowiz186]

videowiz186 wrote...

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[Himmelstor]

videowiz186 wrote...

videowiz186 wrote...

VW has finally completed Part 9! 
Please read and comment. Think deserve it. After long write.
Salvation or Destruction Part 9

In case missed.

Doctor prescribes this fanfiction!

[cutthecameras]

Jakegnosis wrote...


I found it weird that Jack wasn't available for either gender, considering she related a story about sleeping with a man and a woman.  Call me cynical, but I wonder if it wasn't motivated by the desire to not be the lead feature on Fox News (again).

I wouldn't doubt it.
Actually, Jack is really mean to fem shepard after a while. She says something along the lines of "I'm not really into the 'girl's club' so just ****** off" You know Jack, she's a jerk. Unfortuntely she doesn't say anything else after that, for the whole game. Err...Right.

[Archonsg]

can't qoute from my mobile but in regards to the renegade Shepard, he's only a dick if you choose every renegade choice available regardless of common sense or decency.



I can't remember if it was a discussion on the boards or with my friends, but we were discussing who would beat the other, Paragon Shepard or Renegade. Essentially it boiled down to the renegade Shepard being more 'badass' but Renegade Shepard wins because he has friends like Tali who'd jump in to help whether Shepard wants them to or not.

[Urban Legend]

A Blind Bandit wrote...

A Blind Bandit wrote...

Hey all! thought i'd show you the Tali drawing I've been working on. Its not the best but I'm still practicing. i15.photobucket.com/albums/a399/CONNOR2059/tali_blackandwhite.jpg
And here's my fail attempt at trying to color it
i15.photobucket.com/albums/a399/CONNOR2059/Talipractice.jpg

Shameless self-promotion. Any critique at all would be very helpful!

I like, I like!

[A Blind Bandit]

A Blind Bandit wrote...

Hey all! thought i'd show you the Tali drawing I've been working on. Its not the best but I'm still practicing. i15.photobucket.com/albums/a399/CONNOR2059/tali_blackandwhite.jpg
And here's my fail attempt at trying to color it
i15.photobucket.com/albums/a399/CONNOR2059/Talipractice.jpg

In case missed. Last repost however. Off to bed in a few minutes.

[alickar]

the worstest example id ever seen and mass 3 is the last of the masses all squad better be there from mass 1 and 2 tht dident die and all Lis if not then this would be a bougs end to the mass effect series

[MMA7FF]

so does anyone kno if liara can be with a fem shep on me1?

I thought id be possible since asari dont decern between gender when it comes to a mate or partner.

[mothbanquet]

cutthecameras wrote...

mothbanquet wrote...


They probably will, you can't expect the internet to he sensible or rational about something.  I've never really spoken about the subject before but I found female Shep's relationship with Liara in ME1 to be really deep and personable.  I don't see why this couldn't be extended to ME2, especially as the whole franchise is based around the concept of choice.

When people say 'Oh, Tali's a straight character, so she's off-limits' two thoughts spring to mind.  First, why do they care so much?  Nobody's forcing anything down their throats and if they don't like the idea then don't do it, is that really so hard?  Second, the whole ME experience is about personal interpretation.  Every Shepard is unique to us, and therefore every relationship with a secondary character is unique also.  Nobody can claim to 'know' anything about Tali, nor should they.

Phew, I'll stop there.

You make some great points.
Same stance I take on the subject, I'm assuming you can understand why I'd be a little distraught that Casey Hudson himself said that "Shepard is not gay" Flat out, just like that. Crap, maybe his Shepard isn't. But the Shepard I've created means something to me personally, and no one, not even the dev can take that away from me. I get to choose, sorry Hudson.

You hit the nail on the head my dear, Shepard means something to all of us as, in my case at least, a direct reflection of ourselves, as is the case with anything like this where you sculpt events based on your decisions and priorities.  Hell, even if the devs don't play ball at least there's always fanfic.  I might even be inspired to write on the subject myself.

[alickar]

well anyways bye

[Himmelstor]

MMA7FF wrote...

so does anyone kno if liara can be with a fem shep on me1?
I thought id be possible since asari dont decern between gender when it comes to a mate or partner.

Is available. Asari technically unisex.

[Himmelstor]

alickar wrote...

well anyways bye

Keelah Se'lai, my violent friend!

[cutthecameras]

Daurf815 wrote...
through the lines Bioware has written and what they have said about Tali's character, she shows no inclination to start a F/F romance.

You sure about that?
"I have something Shepard...I have you"
"I would be honored to link suits with you"
"A single kiss could put me in the hospital"
She leads up to something intimate for sure, but after a while she starts cleaning the already shining engine to death so...I guess that's that? Something feels a bit removed.

[videowiz186]

alickar wrote...

well anyways bye

Keelah Se'lai, my friend!

[MMA7FF]

Himmelstor wrote...

MMA7FF wrote...

so does anyone kno if liara can be with a fem shep on me1?
I thought id be possible since asari dont decern between gender when it comes to a mate or partner.

Is available. Asari technically unisex.

i thought so but i never put the time into making a fem shep just to see if it was possible : /