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R34P3RR3D33M3R wrote...

Mhm.. currently doing the Geth sidequest, to help Tali with her Pilgrimage. Anyone else was a bit unsure whether helping her on her Pilgrimage could be a bad idea?
As in, successful Pilgrimage -> Tali returns home and won't be with me in ME2.
I just worry far too much when it's about Tali.


I never thought about that, first because I didn't thought about ME2 at all and later because I knew, she would came back. 

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*snip*


Took miranda with me twice
She gave me the bomb both times and I saved her both times and she helped me up both times, she even omni tooled TIM
in my latest playthrough I took samara with me

Tali Omnitool'd TIM, Samara gave me the bomb, and I saved tali and Tali helped me up.

My first time I took Jacob, and Tali did everything.
After saving miranda twice, i tried to replicate the original and took jacob again.

Jacob did everything but helped me up the ship.

It's pretty random as far as I can tell.


Maybe you're right , or maybe there are so many factors responsible that we can't think of them all, either way it's one of the most dramatic moments in the game (unless you're saving Grunt which looks stupid considering his weight)

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Lareit wrote...

R34P3RR3D33M3R wrote...

Mhm.. currently doing the Geth sidequest, to help Tali with her Pilgrimage. Anyone else was a bit unsure whether helping her on her Pilgrimage could be a bad idea?
As in, successful Pilgrimage -> Tali returns home and won't be with me in ME2.
I just worry far too much when it's about Tali.


You either help her complete her pilgrimage, or you force her to eventually leave you to do it herself.

You get less appreciative dialogues on Freedom Progress if you don't help her pilgrimage.

So if you're a Tali fan, you're better off just youtubeing the differences.


I already knew all that, but before ME2 came out, I was worrying about it. I gave it to her anyways, not giving it to her would be much too mean.
I mean, it's essentially the same situation as now. Now, I am worried that persuading the Admirals not to exile her could end up lowering my chances of having her in my squad in ME3, she might become an Admiral herself.
But I guess they'll either make her an Admiral or not, no matter if she was exiled before or not. I can't whine enough about how horrible it'd be to not have her recruitable in ME3.

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R34P3RR3D33M3R wrote...

Lareit wrote...

R34P3RR3D33M3R wrote...

Mhm.. currently doing the Geth sidequest, to help Tali with her Pilgrimage. Anyone else was a bit unsure whether helping her on her Pilgrimage could be a bad idea?
As in, successful Pilgrimage -> Tali returns home and won't be with me in ME2.
I just worry far too much when it's about Tali.


You either help her complete her pilgrimage, or you force her to eventually leave you to do it herself.

You get less appreciative dialogues on Freedom Progress if you don't help her pilgrimage.

So if you're a Tali fan, you're better off just youtubeing the differences.


I already knew all that, but before ME2 came out, I was worrying about it. I gave it to her anyways, not giving it to her would be much too mean.
I mean, it's essentially the same situation as now. Now, I am worried that persuading the Admirals not to exile her could end up lowering my chances of having her in my squad in ME3, she might become an Admiral herself.
But I guess they'll either make her an Admiral or not, no matter if she was exiled before or not. I can't whine enough about how horrible it'd be to not have her recruitable in ME3.


that is EXACTLY what i was thinking both playing ME1 the week before ME2 came out and what i'm thinking about her exile

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turelhimvampire wrote...

Working on chapter 13 of my fanfic at the moment, I'd appreciate feedback - positive or negative (though negative more so - helps you grow) - from anyone and everyone.

Link in my sig, below the Tali banner.


Too bad I'm not able to provide negative critique.. 

Amazing stuff, really! I just read chapter 12 and now I'm pushing throught all the other chapters like a bloodraging Krogan. Great choices of words, the atmosphere is awesome and the feeling of being there, or seeing it all like a movie or something, is outstandingly wellmade. 

Keelah Se'lai, Turel! You make me proud to be a member of this community lol 

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R34P3RR3D33M3R wrote...


I mean, it's essentially the same situation as now. Now, I am worried that persuading the Admirals not to exile her could end up lowering my chances of having her in my squad in ME3, she might become an Admiral herself.


Then you could still play ME1&ME2 through again, shortly before ME3 comes out. 

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If you have Miranda and Tali in your party there is a 90% chance that Tali will be the one who slides down ( the one who gives you the bomb is always the one who falls, and since Miranda is the one projecting the Illusive man's image she will most likely not be the one with the bomb) .
Taking that screenshot i posted earlier took me five reloads and it was always Tali who was sliding, also it could possibly have something to do with the order in which you pick your squad for the last part of the mission but i'm not sure about that


Took miranda with me twice
She gave me the bomb both times and I saved her both times and she helped me up both times, she even omni tooled TIM
in my latest playthrough I took samara with me

Tali Omnitool'd TIM, Samara gave me the bomb, and I saved tali and Tali helped me up.

My first time I took Jacob, and Tali did everything.
After saving miranda twice, i tried to replicate the original and took jacob again.

Jacob did everything but helped me up the ship.

It's pretty random as far as I can tell.


Wow, I never got Tali to omni-tool TIM. I thought she just wouldn't care to do it because of her (shared) mistrust for Cerberus.
Also I'm fairly certain she was usually the one giving me the bomb, but not quite as many times the one falling.
At first I thought it depended on the order you chose them for the mission, but I think experiments disproved that. Then I started experimenting with squad positioning during the reaper larva fight, so that Tali would always be on the right side of the platforms and the other guys on the left (when facing the reaper). That seemed to work, but I only tried it twice, so it might just as well be random. 

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Gerudan wrote...

R34P3RR3D33M3R wrote...


I mean, it's essentially the same situation as now. Now, I am worried that persuading the Admirals not to exile her could end up lowering my chances of having her in my squad in ME3, she might become an Admiral herself.


Then you could still play ME1&ME2 through again, shortly before ME3 comes out. 


I know. It would certainly be better than having her automatically being an Admiral in ME3 by default, without any ability to change it.
If she ends up becoming an Admiral, but joins my crew anyways, of course then I won't complain at all.

It's really interesting to see; the entire Galaxy is at stake, but my primary concern is that Shep and his crew (and Anderson, he's awesome too) have to survive, and that Shep and Tali have to stay together.
I'm not worried about the Reapers, there'll be *some* way to take them out.

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Hmm, maybe I'll send her through the tunnels next time. Even on Insanity the time limit didn't give me much trouble... what if one fails at opening the valves in time? Is there a death scene, or just "Critical Mission Failure"?
On my first playthrough I caught Samara instead of Tali. I like Samara too, but of course catching Tali would've been more epic. I got lucky to have that happening on my Insanity playthrough after that.

And yeah, the Horizon scene was a little bit cheap. Hey, I'm Shepard, and killing Reapers is my favorite hobby. I was always full Paragon. How can you possibly *not* trust me? I've more awesome in my pinky than the Council together!


I'm fairly certain it's a mission failure, as if she fails to get through she can't open the fire team door, and they can't cover her to open your door.

I could be wrong...i've never failed the time limit, even on insanity.

Oh and her 2nd to last warning dialogue is extreamly distressing sounding. Good stuff Liz Sroka, wish she were a bigger voice name like Kath Soucie, Jennifer Hale, Tara Strong, and Grey DeLise.


It is a critical mission failure, I tried. But trust me, what she says when the countdown nears zero, it's heartbreaking. It made me feel all the more protective for her, and also gave me some more haunting memories. Incorrigible.

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I was lucky enough to get everyone out alive on my first playthrough, and I'll stick with exactly the same plan for all my future playthroughs. Haven't seen a single death scene yet, and although I'm a very curious, I don't wish to see them. Ever, I guess.
Even my Renegade will be keen on getting everyone out alive, there's a limit to how much jackass I can force myself to be.


Yeah, don't. I for one felt like a complete failure of a player the first time round. And I soo believed Thane would be up to the task...

R34P3RR3D33M3R wrote...

Gerudan wrote...

R34P3RR3D33M3R wrote...


I mean, it's essentially the same situation as now. Now, I am worried that persuading the Admirals not to exile her could end up lowering my chances of having her in my squad in ME3, she might become an Admiral herself.


Then you could still play ME1&ME2 through again, shortly before ME3 comes out. 


I know. It would certainly be better than having her automatically being an Admiral in ME3 by default, without any ability to change it.
If she ends up becoming an Admiral, but joins my crew anyways, of course then I won't complain at all.

It's really interesting to see; the entire Galaxy is at stake, but my primary concern is that Shep and his crew (and Anderson, he's awesome too) have to survive, and that Shep and Tali have to stay together.
I'm not worried about the Reapers, there'll be *some* way to take them out.


Truly said. Continued chance for sharing Tali goodness is paramount. I'd tear the reapers bare handed if I had to to save the galaxy for Tali.

An enticing thought: perhaps the final tier of character class abilities could be tied into the storyline decisions for ME3? Like, you can advise Tali to accept the admiral post and have her become a Quarian admiral, or decline and become a Quarian Genius or Miss Galaxy or whatever ;)

That would be cool, and totally worth of in Bioware, IMO. 
:wub: Tali

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May be, Tali will become a Quarian marine instead of Admiral in Me3.

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Aardvark-8 wrote...

It is a critical mission failure, I tried. But trust me, what she says when the countdown nears zero, it's heartbreaking. It made me feel all the more protective for her, and also gave me some more haunting memories. Incorrigible.


Thanks. I merely asked so I'd know if I should immediately reload if the timer gets too close for my liking. No way in hell I'd watch a Tali death scene.

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apinya wrote...

May be, Tali will become a Quarian marine instead of Admiral in Me3.


No point in becoming a Marine, she already "outranks" them.

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Aardvark-8 wrote...

Wow, I never got Tali to omni-tool TIM. I thought she just wouldn't care to do it because of her (shared) mistrust for Cerberus.
Also I'm fairly certain she was usually the one giving me the bomb, but not quite as many times the one falling.
At first I thought it depended on the order you chose them for the mission, but I think experiments disproved that. Then I started experimenting with squad positioning during the reaper larva fight, so that Tali would always be on the right side of the platforms and the other guys on the left (when facing the reaper). That seemed to work, but I only tried it twice, so it might just as well be random. 


I'm quite suprised there isn't a code that says

1=fall
IF Chr is LI Chr=1

type code to enforce this simple dramatic moment and make it it's most powerful.

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R34P3RR3D33M3R wrote...

apinya wrote...

May be, Tali will become a Quarian marine instead of Admiral in Me3.


No point in becoming a Marine, she already "outranks" them.


And she's no soldier to boot ;)
As I said, quarian Genius or Quarian Miss Universe :wub:

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R34P3RR3D33M3R wrote...

It's really interesting to see; the entire Galaxy is at stake, but my primary concern is that Shep and his crew (and Anderson, he's awesome too) have to survive, and that Shep and Tali have to stay together.
I'm not worried about the Reapers, there'll be *some* way to take them out.


Well, see it like that: If you don't stop the Reapers, they will kill Tali, Anderson, Shep and all the others. 

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Gerudan wrote...

R34P3RR3D33M3R wrote...

It's really interesting to see; the entire Galaxy is at stake, but my primary concern is that Shep and his crew (and Anderson, he's awesome too) have to survive, and that Shep and Tali have to stay together.
I'm not worried about the Reapers, there'll be *some* way to take them out.


Well, see it like that: If you don't stop the Reapers, they will kill Tali, Anderson, Shep and all the others. 


Anderson, Tali, are both very for the greater good type people, they wouldn't be happy if shepard turned selfish even if it was selfish towards the people he cares about.

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Gerudan wrote...

R34P3RR3D33M3R wrote...

It's really interesting to see; the entire Galaxy is at stake, but my primary concern is that Shep and his crew (and Anderson, he's awesome too) have to survive, and that Shep and Tali have to stay together.
I'm not worried about the Reapers, there'll be *some* way to take them out.


Well, see it like that: If you don't stop the Reapers, they will kill Tali, Anderson, Shep and all the others. 


I know, but I *will* stop the Reapers. Unless of course they make the whole ME trilogy pointless by making it impossible to stop them, but that'd be quite weird.
Give me a rocket-propelled spacesuit and a pistol, and I'll fly through space and defeat the Reapers on my own if I have to. On Insanity. Save/Reload makes it possible.

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apinya wrote...

May be, Tali will become a Quarian marine instead of Admiral in Me3.


Lets hope not, seeing what happens to all the Quarian marines in the game it's better for her to stay safe and with Shep instead of getting shot at by things i cant even imagine

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Gerudan wrote...

R34P3RR3D33M3R wrote...

It's really interesting to see; the entire Galaxy is at stake, but my primary concern is that Shep and his crew (and Anderson, he's awesome too) have to survive, and that Shep and Tali have to stay together.
I'm not worried about the Reapers, there'll be *some* way to take them out.


Well, see it like that: If you don't stop the Reapers, they will kill Tali, Anderson, Shep and all the others. 


I sort of swing the opposite way. Don't get me wrong: I want everyone to make it out alive and no one gets left behind if it's up to me. That said, the stakes involved are worth more than the entire crew, friends, family and even my own life. They are all expendable in an emergency if need be. Under such circumstances duty must come first, IMO. There is no conscionable way I can justify sacrificing the survival of the masses for the sake of the few, no matter how special they are to me personally.

That said, it is easy enough to type while sitting safely at my desk. If I were to come face to face with such a situation it would be downright bastard hard!

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Lareit wrote...

Gerudan wrote...

R34P3RR3D33M3R wrote...

It's really interesting to see; the entire Galaxy is at stake, but my primary concern is that Shep and his crew (and Anderson, he's awesome too) have to survive, and that Shep and Tali have to stay together.
I'm not worried about the Reapers, there'll be *some* way to take them out.


Well, see it like that: If you don't stop the Reapers, they will kill Tali, Anderson, Shep and all the others. 


Anderson, Tali, are both very for the greater good type people, they wouldn't be happy if shepard turned selfish even if it was selfish towards the people he cares about.


Yeah, that's what I'm also worried about. I wish they let me go at the Reapers with a pistol instead of sacrificing themselves.

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The_KFD_Case wrote...

There is no conscionable way I can justify sacrificing the survival of the masses for the sake of the few, no matter how special they are to me personally.

That said, it is easy enough to type while sitting safely at my desk. If I were to come face to face with such a situation it would be downright bastard hard!


Agreed, they all know what is at stake and they all know, that they can die (in ME1 as well as in ME2). 

Yeah, I don't know, what I would do in realty either. 

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The_KFD_Case wrote...

Gerudan wrote...

R34P3RR3D33M3R wrote...

It's really interesting to see; the entire Galaxy is at stake, but my primary concern is that Shep and his crew (and Anderson, he's awesome too) have to survive, and that Shep and Tali have to stay together.
I'm not worried about the Reapers, there'll be *some* way to take them out.


Well, see it like that: If you don't stop the Reapers, they will kill Tali, Anderson, Shep and all the others. 


I sort of swing the opposite way. Don't get me wrong: I want everyone to make it out alive and no one gets left behind if it's up to me. That said, the stakes involved are worth more than the entire crew, friends, family and even my own life. They are all expendable in an emergency if need be. Under such circumstances duty must come first, IMO. There is no conscionable way I can justify sacrificing the survival of the masses for the sake of the few, no matter how special they are to me personally.

That said, it is easy enough to type while sitting safely at my desk. If I were to come face to face with such a situation it would be downright bastard hard!


I know. I'm perfectly fine with making it *damn* hard to save everyone, as long as it isn't *impossible*, I'll be satisfied, and spend years saving/reloading if I must, to get the happy end I desire.
Same with the suicide mission. If it'd require me to scan planets for 500 hours to save everyone, I'd do it. If it'd take me to drive a million miles with the Mako, I'd do it.
But I can't do anything against scripted events, that's why I hate scripted events.

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R34P3RR3D33M3R wrote...

Lareit wrote...

Gerudan wrote...

R34P3RR3D33M3R wrote...

It's really interesting to see; the entire Galaxy is at stake, but my primary concern is that Shep and his crew (and Anderson, he's awesome too) have to survive, and that Shep and Tali have to stay together.
I'm not worried about the Reapers, there'll be *some* way to take them out.


Well, see it like that: If you don't stop the Reapers, they will kill Tali, Anderson, Shep and all the others. 


Anderson, Tali, are both very for the greater good type people, they wouldn't be happy if shepard turned selfish even if it was selfish towards the people he cares about.


Yeah, that's what I'm also worried about. I wish they let me go at the Reapers with a pistol instead of sacrificing themselves.


Let's tie her to the bed if she tries to :innocent:

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R34P3RR3D33M3R wrote...

Yeah, that's what I'm also worried about. I wish they let me go at the Reapers with a pistol instead of sacrificing themselves.


It's just a game, you know... :D

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Good morning everybody! Won't have too much time to post today, so i'll leave you with a comic I found, and posted, yesterday:


http://nerfnow.com/comic/image/248