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[Lareit]

The_KFD_Case wrote...



I sort of swing the opposite way. Don't get me wrong: I want everyone to make it out alive and no one gets left behind if it's up to me. That said, the stakes involved are worth more than the entire crew, friends, family and even my own life. They are all expendable in an emergency if need be. Under such circumstances duty must come first, IMO. There is no conscionable way I can justify sacrificing the survival of the masses for the sake of the few, no matter how special they are to me personally.

That said, it is easy enough to type while sitting safely at my desk. If I were to come face to face with such a situation it would be downright bastard hard!

I'd risk the lives of my loved ones, i'd only sacrifice my own.

[R34P3RR3D33M3R]

Gerudan wrote...

R34P3RR3D33M3R wrote...

Yeah, that's what I'm also worried about. I wish they let me go at the Reapers with a pistol instead of sacrificing themselves.

It's just a game, you know... 

That's the whole point. It's just a game. Let me save/reload until it works out, instead of sacrificing yourself, right?

Besides, I'm a biotic god. They can't tell me that it's impossible for me to stop all the Reapers without losing all I care about in the process, eh?

[Gerudan]

Aardvark-8 wrote...

Let's tie her to the bed if she tries to :innocent:

Yes, that would be great and then she couldn't go on missions, too


Oh...you...probably meant that in the first place...

[The_KFD_Case]

Gerudan wrote...

The_KFD_Case wrote...

There is no conscionable way I can justify sacrificing the survival of the masses for the sake of the few, no matter how special they are to me personally.

That said, it is easy enough to type while sitting safely at my desk. If I were to come face to face with such a situation it would be downright bastard hard!

Agreed, they all know what is at stake and they all know, that they can die (in ME1 as well as in ME2). 

Yeah, I don't know, what I would do in realty either. 

I know myself well enough to be able to state calmly and with certainty that I'm capable of killing others under the right (or wrong,) circumstances. It was one of the things I was trained to do. It doesn't mean I relish the thought of ever having to face such a situation - quite the contrary. Yet I know I'm capable of it.

Applying that same mentality to such a mission scenario and imagining someone I love and care for deeply, be it an ex-girlfriend, my sister, an old friend, etc. hanging on to their life by the skin of their teeth, I can envision possibly putting so much effort in to saving one person that it might end up jeapordizing my own safety which could result in mission failure. Yet when do you call off the rescue attempt in order to accomplish the overall mission objective while balancing it with making a solid effort at saving those you care about? What if there simply is neither the time nor the resources to do both? It happens frequently in real life. Decisions have to be made and the consequences have to be lived with - good or bad.

Modifié par The_KFD_Case, 24 février 2010 - 02:18 .

[HK01]

vykvyper1 wrote...

Good morning everybody! Won't have too much time to post today, so i'll leave you with a comic I found, and posted, yesterday:


http://nerfnow.com/comic/image/248

That one's pretty damn good!

[Lareit]

Rakia_Time wrote...

 Reading that stuff about sacrificing someone made me think, what if in the end of ME3 you get an option :
a. Sacrificing yourself to save the galaxy and everyone you love
b. Someone else, lets say..Garrus offers to sacrifice himself so that you can live
c. Your LI has to die for everyone else to live
d. You all die togeter
What will you choose ?

EDIT: Damn formating

In the situation of B does that mean only garrus dies?

Then A everytime.

[HK01]

Garrus can die. I don't even like him.

[The_KFD_Case]

R34P3RR3D33M3R wrote...

The_KFD_Case wrote...

Gerudan wrote...

R34P3RR3D33M3R wrote...

It's really interesting to see; the entire Galaxy is at stake, but my primary concern is that Shep and his crew (and Anderson, he's awesome too) have to survive, and that Shep and Tali have to stay together.
I'm not worried about the Reapers, there'll be *some* way to take them out.

Well, see it like that: If you don't stop the Reapers, they will kill Tali, Anderson, Shep and all the others. 

I sort of swing the opposite way. Don't get me wrong: I want everyone to make it out alive and no one gets left behind if it's up to me. That said, the stakes involved are worth more than the entire crew, friends, family and even my own life. They are all expendable in an emergency if need be. Under such circumstances duty must come first, IMO. There is no conscionable way I can justify sacrificing the survival of the masses for the sake of the few, no matter how special they are to me personally.

That said, it is easy enough to type while sitting safely at my desk. If I were to come face to face with such a situation it would be downright bastard hard!

I know. I'm perfectly fine with making it *damn* hard to save everyone, as long as it isn't *impossible*, I'll be satisfied, and spend years saving/reloading if I must, to get the happy end I desire.
Same with the suicide mission. If it'd require me to scan planets for 500 hours to save everyone, I'd do it. If it'd take me to drive a million miles with the Mako, I'd do it.
But I can't do anything against scripted events, that's why I hate scripted events.

Personally I've found that there can be a certain peace to the realisation and eventual acceptance that not all things are under one's control. Doesn't mean that various things in life still aren't annoying, stressful or frightening, yet it does offer the opportunity to take a step back, let the so-called waters of life flow around you and just go with the flow from time to time. There are times to go with the flow and then there are times to fight it bitterly, IMO.

Modifié par The_KFD_Case, 24 février 2010 - 02:37 .

[R34P3RR3D33M3R]

Rakia_Time wrote...

 Reading that stuff about sacrificing someone made me think, what if in the end of ME3 you get an option :
a. Sacrificing yourself to save the galaxy and everyone you love
b. Someone else, lets say..Garrus offers to sacrifice himself so that you can live
c. Your LI has to die for everyone else to live
d. You all die togeter
What will you choose ?

EDIT: Damn formating

I'll choose to complain about it on the forum.

[Gerudan]

The_KFD_Case wrote...

I know myself well enough to be able to state calmly and with certainty that I'm capable of killing others under the right (or wrong,) circumstances. It was one of the things I was trained to do. It doesn't mean I relish the thought of ever having to face such a situation - quite the contrary. Yet I know I'm capable of it.

Applying that same mentality to such a mission scenario and imagining someone I love and care for deeply, be it an ex-girlfriend, my sister, an old friend, etc. I can envision possibly putting so much effort in to saving one person that it might end up jeapordizing my own safety which could result in mission failure. Yet when do you call off the rescue attempt in order to accomplish the overall mission objective while balancing it with making a solid effort at saving those you care about? What if there simply is neither the time nor the resources to do both? It happens frequently in real life. Decisions have to be made and the consequences have to be lived with - good or bad.

I never served or anything and I don't plan to go to war simply because my country would tell me so, since I'm very bad in taking orders without questioning. 

In the end I rather not think about such situations, since they unlikely happen to "common people". 

Although I'm pretty sure I wouldn't "mind" sacrificing myself for others or a greater cause. 

Modifié par Gerudan, 24 février 2010 - 02:24 .

[Onyx Jaguar]

R34P3RR3D33M3R wrote...

Rakia_Time wrote...

 Reading that stuff about sacrificing someone made me think, what if in the end of ME3 you get an option :
a. Sacrificing yourself to save the galaxy and everyone you love
b. Someone else, lets say..Garrus offers to sacrifice himself so that you can live
c. Your LI has to die for everyone else to live
d. You all die togeter
What will you choose ?

EDIT: Damn formating

I'll choose to complain about it on the forum.

lol, yeah I'd agree, last thing we need is for ME 3 to rob DA of its style (unless the army thing turns out to happen because that is awesome).

[Aardvark-8]

Rakia_Time wrote...

 Reading that stuff about sacrificing someone made me think, what if in the end of ME3 you get an option :
a. Sacrificing yourself to save the galaxy and everyone you love
b. Someone else, lets say..Garrus offers to sacrifice himself so that you can live
c. Your LI has to die for everyone else to live
d. You all die togeter
What will you choose ?

EDIT: Damn formating

Since it's a game, I'd say a.
In real life, I suppose I'd hesitate long enough for d to happen spontaneously. I'm not a fast shooter.
Unless I'm real pissed. Than I'm way to fast for my own good 

[iNixiRir]

Already posted this in another topic, but this also applies to Tali.

People are suggesting that Tali will become an admiral in Me3. Why would she do that at the most crucial time? She, with Garrus, are the 2 that knows exactly how real the threat is. They were there the first and second time. They went to hell and back for Shepard, and Shepard for them(Atleast most Shepards). I would find it odd it they go like: "Sorry Shepard, I know how big the threat is, and those other two times were fun, but I will have to pass this one".
Maybe she will become an admiral, but I think she will just reject it until the reapers are stopped.

Just my two cents. I would be really sad if Tali's role gets reduced to a cameo(this actually counts for most squadmembers). It's just not logical.

Modifié par iNixiRir, 24 février 2010 - 02:32 .

[Gerudan]

R34P3RR3D33M3R wrote...

I'll choose to complain about it on the forum.

"WTF LOLZ N0 HAPYENT?????" 

[The_KFD_Case]

Rakia_Time wrote...

 Reading that stuff about sacrificing someone made me think, what if in the end of ME3 you get an option :
a. Sacrificing yourself to save the galaxy and everyone you love
b. Someone else, lets say..Garrus offers to sacrifice himself so that you can live
c. Your LI has to die for everyone else to live
d. You all die togeter
What will you choose ?

EDIT: Damn formating

Right here, right now, presuming I believed Garrus' offer (or whomever,) to be well informed and genuine I think I just might accept it. Is it selfish on my part? Yes; I want more time to experience and explore the potential relationship with the one I love. Also, which one of us has potentially more to offer the universe (a slippery and massive slope of conjecture and "what if"s)? Any of those choices amounts to the phrase, "It's tough all over". Time for a process of elimination:

Optiond D is the last one I'd choose since it seems needlessly wasteful to sacrifice all lives if a few will suffice.

Option C is potentially the most personally traumatic one and thus is the next one I would rule out with the caveat that the love interest is not alread dying. If he/she is near death then the pragmatic and logical choice may be to sacrifice him/her since his/her life is running out fast as it is.

Option A and B are almost tied. On the one hand as previously mentioned, I would want to continue living and experience and do more things in life. I imagine Garrus likely feels the same way. On the other hand if Garrus feels worn down and is truly at peace with letting go of life then that would serve the interests of both Garrus and me, but that is an unknown factor in this scenario as it stands.

[Lareit]

Rakia_Time wrote...

Lareit wrote...

Rakia_Time wrote...

 Reading that stuff about sacrificing someone made me think, what if in the end of ME3 you get an option :
a. Sacrificing yourself to save the galaxy and everyone you love
b. Someone else, lets say..Garrus offers to sacrifice himself so that you can live
c. Your LI has to die for everyone else to live
d. You all die togeter
What will you choose ?

EDIT: Damn formating

In the situation of B does that mean only garrus dies?

Then A everytime.

yes, and it doesn't have to be Garrus i just used him cause he's one of my favourites

Doesn't matter who it is.(well maybe thane, or modrin due to their dying status) Someone who's willing to do that deserves to live as much as I do. ANd since he was steping in the decision already was put on me. I couldn't be irresponsible and selfish like that.

[The_KFD_Case]

iNixiRir wrote...

Already posted this in another topic, but this also applies to Tali.

People are suggesting that Tali will become an admiral in Me3. Why would she do that at the most crucial time? She, with Garrus, are the 2 that know exactly how real the threat is. They were there the first and second time. They went to hell and back for Shepard, and Shepard for them(Atleast most Shepards). I would find it odd it they go like: "Sorry Shepard, I know how big the threat is, but I will have to pass this time".
Maybe she will become an admiral, but I think she will just reject it until the reapers are stopped.

Just my two cents. I would be really sad if Tali's role gets reduced to a cameo(this actually counts for most squadmembers). It's just not logical.

I concur. I do not buy for a minute that Tali will already be made an admiral come ME3.

[Levi va Normandy]

how do i post pics?

[Gerudan]

The_KFD_Case wrote...

I concur. I do not buy for a minute that Tali will already be made an admiral come ME3.

ME3 has to begin right were ME2 left I guess. Shep has to report to report to the galactic dumbasses...I mean Council and show them the information from the Collectorbase. 

[Aardvark-8]

The_KFD_Case wrote...

R34P3RR3D33M3R wrote...

The_KFD_Case wrote...

Gerudan wrote...

R34P3RR3D33M3R wrote...

It's really interesting to see; the entire Galaxy is at stake, but my primary concern is that Shep and his crew (and Anderson, he's awesome too) have to survive, and that Shep and Tali have to stay together.
I'm not worried about the Reapers, there'll be *some* way to take them out.

Well, see it like that: If you don't stop the Reapers, they will kill Tali, Anderson, Shep and all the others. 

I sort of swing the opposite way. Don't get me wrong: I want everyone to make it out alive and no one gets left behind if it's up to me. That said, the stakes involved are worth more than the entire crew, friends, family and even my own life. They are all expendable in an emergency if need be. Under such circumstances duty must come first, IMO. There is no conscionable way I can justify sacrificing the survival of the masses for the sake of the few, no matter how special they are to me personally.

That said, it is easy enough to type while sitting safely at my desk. If I were to come face to face with such a situation it would be downright bastard hard!

I know. I'm perfectly fine with making it *damn* hard to save everyone, as long as it isn't *impossible*, I'll be satisfied, and spend years saving/reloading if I must, to get the happy end I desire.
Same with the suicide mission. If it'd require me to scan planets for 500 hours to save everyone, I'd do it. If it'd take me to drive a million miles with the Mako, I'd do it.
But I can't do anything against scripted events, that's why I hate scripted events.

Personally I've found that there can be a certain peace to the realisation and eventual acceptance that not all things are under one's control. Doesn't mean that various things in life still aren't annoying, stressful or frightening, yet it does offer the opportunity to take a step back, let the so-called waters of life flow around you and just go with the flow from time to time. There are times to struggle against the flow and then there are times to fight it bitterly, IMO.

Wow, greatly put. Though since this is just a game, it can be mercifully free of the unavoidably lose-lose situations you have to get over in real life.
Heck, if even my games defied and stressed me, I'd be very blue.

Gerudan wrote...

The_KFD_Case wrote...

I know myself well enough to be able to state calmly and with certainty that I'm capable of killing others under the right (or wrong,) circumstances. It was one of the things I was trained to do. It doesn't mean I relish the thought of ever having to face such a situation - quite the contrary. Yet I know I'm capable of it.

Applying that same mentality to such a mission scenario and imagining someone I love and care for deeply, be it an ex-girlfriend, my sister, an old friend, etc. I can envision possibly putting so much effort in to saving one person that it might end up jeapordizing my own safety which could result in mission failure. Yet when do you call off the rescue attempt in order to accomplish the overall mission objective while balancing it with making a solid effort at saving those you care about? What if there simply is neither the time nor the resources to do both? It happens frequently in real life. Decisions have to be made and the consequences have to be lived with - good or bad.

I never served or anything and I don't plan to go to war simply because my country would tell me so, since I'm very bad in taking orders without questioning. 

In the end I rather not think about such situations, since they unlikely happen to "common people". 

Although I'm pretty sure I wouldn't "mind" sacrificing myself for others or a greater cause. 

I'd like to think that about myself too. But I'm afraid it's way to easy to talk about such a sort of thing from the safe room behind my keyboard. Only having to make a decision like that would make me sure about what I'd be capable of.
Oh and I'm kinda proud of having been officially freed of military service on grounds of being sickly 

[R34P3RR3D33M3R]

Sacrificing Thane or Mordin (assuming they're still around in ME3) would be a rather intelligent thing to do, since both of them likely don't have much time left. Not saying that it'd be an easy decision, I like them both - but from a logical viewpoint, they'd make a better sacrifice than Shep.

[HK01]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

R34P3RR3D33M3R wrote...

Rakia_Time wrote...

 Reading that stuff about sacrificing someone made me think, what if in the end of ME3 you get an option :
a. Sacrificing yourself to save the galaxy and everyone you love
b. Someone else, lets say..Garrus offers to sacrifice himself so that you can live
c. Your LI has to die for everyone else to live
d. You all die togeter
What will you choose ?

EDIT: Damn formating

I'll choose to complain about it on the forum.

lol, yeah I'd agree, last thing we need is for ME 3 to rob DA of its style (unless the army thing turns out to happen because that is awesome).

What army thing?