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[Lord_Moose]

NuclearBuddha wrote...

The_KFD_Case wrote...

 Paradoxically I am prepared to sacrifice the residential area of the Watson colony and spare the industrial infrastructure since it allows recolonization in the long term. It comes down to what you value most at the given moment.

Whoa, gotta part with you on that one.  There's women and kids down there.  It's a shame the colony will fail, but I think the colonists would rather be alive to start again somewhere else.

I was playing through the other day and got that e-mail from the colonist on Horizon talking about the missing kids (unworn winter clothes, empty desks at school, you know the one).  I'd forgotten about that detail on my previous playthrough.  I felt terrible when I realized that those kids are definitely gone, seeing as how you're barely in time to save your own crew.

I know, that hit me on the third playthrough.
I stopped, looked at the email a second time, and screamed out a curse slamming my fist on the desk. There was nothing i could've done. They were turned into soup because lilith made it to the home base. The ones that died in the pods when the collectors laid a trap for us, those other colonists from another colony, they were the lucky ones.

[NuclearBuddha]

Aardvark-8 wrote...

R34P3RR3D33M3R wrote...

I'm sure you're not the only one, there are plenty of haters out there, for every character.
Let's be glad that there are characters like Jacob - for some reason, like Tali, he has many haters, and diverts some of their attention.

I think it's because they're both nice and decent people, which tends to draw attention of various suckers and vocally opinionated would-be-badasses.
Quite a lot of people actually think being a decent, moral person is a synonym for being stupid in my country. It's very depressing, and it's what you get for suffering 40 years of communism 
Good thing intelligent and decent people also play Mass Effect, as evidenced by the rest of you band.
Rock on!

Give more <3 for Tali, don't feed the trolls etc.
Keelah se'lai. 

I wish my country had an excuse for breeding immature jerks.  Then again, if 40 years of communism is what it takes, I guess pointless douchebaggery is a small price to pay.

[The_KFD_Case]

penguin12345 wrote...

The_KFD_Case wrote...

NuclearBuddha wrote...

If I had to choose someone to die, all I know is that it would not be Zaeed. But not for the reason you're thinking.

Listen to the guy's stories. Everytime he should have died, it was all his friends that were wiped out instead. Sending Zaeed on a suicide mission would be sealing my own fate.

But seriously, if someone volunteered (Garrus, Thane, Jacob, whoever besides Tali) I'd probably take them up on it. I'm sick of protagonist-dies game endings. Fallout 3 made me rage hard (though that was in part because it was so contrived).

Overlooking his moment of temporary madness due to being blinded by a thirs for revenge, I actually found Zaeed quite likeable. Like the uncle with a metric ton of useful life experience. He'd make a fine mentor in a number of ways and in a fire fight he's as solid as they come.

An uncle of several metric tons of evil and disgustingly brutal life experience. Remember, he once was in charge of the Blue Suns like Vido.

Zaeed is a hard man, but he's not a psychopath nor is he without feelings. As Kelly Chambers comments, "He is remarkably well adjusted for someone who has seen so much violence." Brutal? Yes. Relentless? Yes. Tough? Yes. Effective? Yes. These traits, amongst others least of all his combat prowess, are the reasons he is considered the most lethal bounty hunter in the galaxy. His reputation is well earned yet while he does not shy away from getting his hands dirty he also doesn't just go around killing people for the heck of it. That's more Jack's bag of tricks. Zaeed is a mercenary and will do most things he's paid to do but if you pay attention to his stories there are indicators that he does have some boundaries that he won't do (ex. such as hiring Batarians as has already been pointed out).

[Lareit]

NuclearBuddha wrote...

I wish my country had an excuse for breeding immature jerks.  Then again, if 40 years of communism is what it takes, I guess pointless douchebaggery is a small price to pay.

Douchebaggery exists everywhere.

[NuclearBuddha]

Lord_Moose wrote...

NuclearBuddha wrote...

The_KFD_Case wrote...

 Paradoxically I am prepared to sacrifice the residential area of the Watson colony and spare the industrial infrastructure since it allows recolonization in the long term. It comes down to what you value most at the given moment.

Whoa, gotta part with you on that one.  There's women and kids down there.  It's a shame the colony will fail, but I think the colonists would rather be alive to start again somewhere else.

I was playing through the other day and got that e-mail from the colonist on Horizon talking about the missing kids (unworn winter clothes, empty desks at school, you know the one).  I'd forgotten about that detail on my previous playthrough.  I felt terrible when I realized that those kids are definitely gone, seeing as how you're barely in time to save your own crew.

I know, that hit me on the third playthrough.
I stopped, looked at the email a second time, and screamed out a curse slamming my fist on the desk. There was nothing i could've done. They were turned into soup because lilith made it to the home base. The ones that died in the pods when the collectors laid a trap for us, those other colonists from another colony, they were the lucky ones.

I've found that since I had a kid, my head is totally screwed up on the subject.  I mean, before I would have felt bad and all, but now it just eats at me.

[The_KFD_Case]

R34P3RR3D33M3R wrote...

The_KFD_Case wrote...

NuclearBuddha wrote...

If I had to choose someone to die, all I know is that it would not be Zaeed. But not for the reason you're thinking.

Listen to the guy's stories. Everytime he should have died, it was all his friends that were wiped out instead. Sending Zaeed on a suicide mission would be sealing my own fate.

But seriously, if someone volunteered (Garrus, Thane, Jacob, whoever besides Tali) I'd probably take them up on it. I'm sick of protagonist-dies game endings. Fallout 3 made me rage hard (though that was in part because it was so contrived).

Overlooking his moment of temporary madness due to being blinded by a thirs for revenge, I actually found Zaeed quite likeable. Like the uncle with a metric ton of useful life experience. He'd make a fine mentor in a number of ways and in a fire fight he's as solid as they come.

Yeah, I didn't hate Zaeed either. I wish they'd have given him some more actual dialogue, instead of just telling us stories.
My favorite squad would still be Tali+Samara though.

Aye, and that happens to be my favourite squad combination too. Certain missions are better served with a different squad combination though  (ex. Miranda's team boosting skills are pure gold and Grunt is a punishment absorbing walking god akin to my soldier Shepard).

[NuclearBuddha]

The_KFD_Case wrote...

Zaeed is a hard man, but he's not a psychopath nor is he without feelings. As Kelly Chambers comments, "He is remarkably well adjusted for someone who has seen so much violence." Brutal? Yes. Relentless? Yes. Tough? Yes. Effective? Yes. These traits, amongst others least of all his combat prowess, are the reasons he is considered the most lethal bounty hunter in the galaxy. His reputation is well earned yet while he does not shy away from getting his hands dirty he also doesn't just go around killing people for the heck of it. That's more Jack's bag of tricks. Zaeed is a mercenary and will do most things he's paid to do but if you pay attention to his stories there are indicators that he does have some boundaries that he won't do (ex. such as hiring Batarians as has already been pointed out).

I've heard he has some sympathetic things to say on Jack's loyalty mission as well.

[The_KFD_Case]

Edited: God damn double posts. This is getting ridiculous.

Modifié par The_KFD_Case, 24 février 2010 - 04:54 .

[The_KFD_Case]

RevanKun123 wrote...

I like them all too. Each of them has something special.

Cheers Revan.

Modifié par The_KFD_Case, 24 février 2010 - 04:45 .

[jtav]

Hi,



Miranda's my favorite character, but I wanted to show some solidarity given the Tali hate threads. I really like Tali, and I think that she potentially has a large role in ME3. I find her eventual softening towards Legion fascinating, and I think she's the best hope for quarian-geth peace.

[Lareit]

NuclearBuddha wrote...


I've heard he has some sympathetic things to say on Jack's loyalty mission as well.

He comments on how he never saw much point to torture. How he didn't have the stomach for it and how it always changed both people involved in the process.

[NuclearBuddha]

Lareit wrote...

NuclearBuddha wrote...


I've heard he has some sympathetic things to say on Jack's loyalty mission as well.

He comments on how he never saw much point to torture. How he didn't have the stomach for it and how it always changed both people involved in the process.

I thought that was in Jack's recruitment mission?

[penguin12345]

jtav wrote...

Hi,

Miranda's my favorite character, but I wanted to show some solidarity given the Tali hate threads. I really like Tali, and I think that she potentially has a large role in ME3. I find her eventual softening towards Legion fascinating, and I think she's the best hope for quarian-geth peace.

That is the weirdest coincedence ever. While this person was posting here, I was psting on the Miranda thread. No hate, just observations. They actually operate suprisingly similar to us. Guess our methods work well.

[RevanKun123]

The_KFD_Case wrote...

RevanKun123 wrote...

I like them all too. Each of them has something special.

Cheers Revan.

Didn't say much though. (But again...this is part of who I am.)
By the way for those who didn't see it yet : the "Jack has arrived at the party" part is here.

http://social.biowar...1528/blog/2697/

[The_KFD_Case]

NuclearBuddha wrote...

The_KFD_Case wrote...

 Paradoxically I am prepared to sacrifice the residential area of the Watson colony and spare the industrial infrastructure since it allows recolonization in the long term. It comes down to what you value most at the given moment.

Whoa, gotta part with you on that one.  There's women and kids down there.  It's a shame the colony will fail, but I think the colonists would rather be alive to start again somewhere else.

I was playing through the other day and got that e-mail from the colonist on Horizon talking about the missing kids (unworn winter clothes, empty desks at school, you know the one).  I'd forgotten about that detail on my previous playthrough.  I felt terrible when I realized that those kids are definitely gone, seeing as how you're barely in time to save your own crew.

That was how I ultimately reacted as well during my first play through, and yet even as I chose to save them I was dissatisfied by the fact that humanity would be giving up its largest and most strategic colony in that region of space. The strategist in me values its long term value to the point that I can accept logical arguments for sacrificing several hundred colonists. Sounds very cold and callous I realise, yet there it is. If humanity loses that colony it's position in that region of space may never recover and there aren't that many immediately habitable planets available to humanity. It harkens back to an earlier discussion about sacrifice of team members. It's a crap shoot.

On my second play through I decided to save the infrastructure and sacrifice the hundreds of colonists despite my opposite decision during my first play through to save their lives because I could in the here and now and that's not a difference one gets to make every day.

P.S. I feel the same way regarding the e-mail from one of the survivors of Horizon and the realisation that the children, along with the adults, have all ben turned into organic paste for some f*cking Reaper. We've got a score to settle with those sons of ****es.

Modifié par The_KFD_Case, 24 février 2010 - 04:58 .

[Lareit]

NuclearBuddha wrote...

Lareit wrote...

NuclearBuddha wrote...


I've heard he has some sympathetic things to say on Jack's loyalty mission as well.

He comments on how he never saw much point to torture. How he didn't have the stomach for it and how it always changed both people involved in the process.

I thought that was in Jack's recruitment mission?

Whoops, yes i missread that. Sorry, I should of been in bed hours ago. I have wicked double vision.

[NuclearBuddha]

jtav wrote...

Hi,

Miranda's my favorite character, but I wanted to show some solidarity given the Tali hate threads. I really like Tali, and I think that she potentially has a large role in ME3. I find her eventual softening towards Legion fascinating, and I think she's the best hope for quarian-geth peace.

BTW, welcome.

The resolution of the Tali/Legion crisis was interesting in that immediately she offers him something else.  She could've just said it wasn't over and they were going to address it after the mission.

[knight5923]

NuclearBuddha wrote...

The_KFD_Case wrote...

Zaeed is a hard man, but he's not a psychopath nor is he without feelings. As Kelly Chambers comments, "He is remarkably well adjusted for someone who has seen so much violence." Brutal? Yes. Relentless? Yes. Tough? Yes. Effective? Yes. These traits, amongst others least of all his combat prowess, are the reasons he is considered the most lethal bounty hunter in the galaxy. His reputation is well earned yet while he does not shy away from getting his hands dirty he also doesn't just go around killing people for the heck of it. That's more Jack's bag of tricks. Zaeed is a mercenary and will do most things he's paid to do but if you pay attention to his stories there are indicators that he does have some boundaries that he won't do (ex. such as hiring Batarians as has already been pointed out).

I've heard he has some sympathetic things to say on Jack's loyalty mission as well.

Interested in Zaeed? Who not go read Chapter 6 of Mass Effect: Redemption, the dark chapter leading into the finale!

aaaaaaaaaaanndd selfish promotion finished ..............for now

[penguin12345]

NuclearBuddha wrote...

jtav wrote...

Hi,

Miranda's my favorite character, but I wanted to show some solidarity given the Tali hate threads. I really like Tali, and I think that she potentially has a large role in ME3. I find her eventual softening towards Legion fascinating, and I think she's the best hope for quarian-geth peace.

BTW, welcome.

The resolution of the Tali/Legion crisis was interesting in that immediately she offers him something else.  She could've just said it wasn't over and they were going to address it after the mission.

Its because Tali realizes she can trust Legion through Shepard's own trust of it.

[Lareit]

The_KFD_Case wrote...



That was how I ultimately reacted as well during my first play through, and yet even as I chose to save them I was dissatisfied by the fact that humanity would be giving up its largest and most strategic colony in that region of space. The strategist in me values its long term value to the point that I can accept logical arguments for sacrificing several hundred colonists. Sounds very cold and callous I realise, yet there it is. If humanity loses that colony it's position in that region of space may never recover and there aren't that many immediately habitable planets available to humanity. It harkens back to an earlier discussion about sacrifice of team members. It's a crap shoot.

On my second play through I decided to save the infrastructure and sacrifice the hundreds of colonists despite my opposite decision during my first play through to save their lives because I could in the here and now and that's not a difference one gets to make every day.

Is it wrong of me that I pretend to save both targets because I think it silly there is only 1 missle destruct code?
Or that i was able to send a shuttle and fight on foot tot he controls, but not able to use the normandy to blow up the missles?
I
(Though technically I save the civilians)

[R34P3RR3D33M3R]

jtav wrote...

Hi,

Miranda's my favorite character, but I wanted to show some solidarity given the Tali hate threads. I really like Tali, and I think that she potentially has a large role in ME3. I find her eventual softening towards Legion fascinating, and I think she's the best hope for quarian-geth peace.

Thank you very much! I'll throw a nice post to the Miranda thread in turn.

[penguin12345]

Mad hungry. Anyone have a spare doughnut?

[penguin12345]

jtav wrote...

Hi,

Miranda's my favorite character, but I wanted to show some solidarity given the Tali hate threads. I really like Tali, and I think that she potentially has a large role in ME3. I find her eventual softening towards Legion fascinating, and I think she's the best hope for quarian-geth peace.

Isn't it great to see non-hater fans of other characters?

[NuclearBuddha]

penguin12345 wrote...

NuclearBuddha wrote...

jtav wrote...

Hi,

Miranda's my favorite character, but I wanted to show some solidarity given the Tali hate threads. I really like Tali, and I think that she potentially has a large role in ME3. I find her eventual softening towards Legion fascinating, and I think she's the best hope for quarian-geth peace.

BTW, welcome.

The resolution of the Tali/Legion crisis was interesting in that immediately she offers him something else.  She could've just said it wasn't over and they were going to address it after the mission.

Its because Tali realizes she can trust Legion through Shepard's own trust of it.

Still a huge step.  Compare it to the resolution of the Miranda/Jack crisis and how it seemed pretty clear they were just agreeing to play nice for as long as it took to clear out the Collectors.

[penguin12345]

Gonna go eat something. Be back later. Keelah Se'lai.