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[Goat_Shepard]

Phil725 wrote...

*delete*

[Jake71887]

I'm bored

[Phil725]

Simon9one wrote...

Phil725 wrote...
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People hate Tali because the quarians invented the geth.  We all see that as wrong.  Why is it OK for Tali to hate all members of Cerberus without further knowledge? 

She was Quarian by birth, not by choice.

And everyone has heard of Cerberus' dark past.  She saw Jacob as soneone willing to join an organization she hadn't heard a single good thing about.

She is still judging without knowing all the facts.  Jacob joined Cerberus as a last resort because the Alliance was limiting him (at least I think thats the story.)  He didn't join because he was a quarian hating human supremecist. 

But to the point that she hadn't heard anything good about Cerberus, the same is true for quarians.  We hear all kinds of rumors about the quarians, about them being cyborgs and stuff.  It seems to me that there are plenty of people who know that the quarians invented the geth, and thats all.  Its wrong to judge people before you get the whole story.  No exceptions.

[Azint]

DrathanGervaise wrote...

Jake71887 wrote...

I'm bored

Ditto.

When is Starcraft 2 coming out?

The next time you sleep. Lock the doors, Drathan.

[Goat_Shepard]

gkillerrin wrote...

runescapeguy9 wrote...

Lividity Jones wrote...

runescapeguy9 wrote...

Lividity Jones wrote...
Does Jacob even mention the attack on the Flotilla?

Tali brings it up.

So we don't really know his opinion on it?

He states he had nothing to do with it, and that he wants to work with Tali anyways.

Its also a fact that Jacob doesnt trust Cerberus, TIM says so himself, and so does Jacob if you walk to him about it.

Yeah I always liked Jacob. The only thing is he trusted Cerby to handle Veetor which in someone ELSES playthrough would be a catastrophic result.

Oh, and he totally thinks Maleshep is gay lol

[Phil725]

Goat_Shepard wrote...

Simon9one wrote...

Phil725 wrote...
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People hate Tali because the quarians invented the geth.  We all see that as wrong.  Why is it OK for Tali to hate all members of Cerberus without further knowledge? 

She was Quarian by birth, not by choice.

And everyone has heard of Cerberus' dark past.  She saw Jacob as soneone willing to join an organization she hadn't heard a single good thing about.

Wow, Phil juss got owned I like these discussions

Hey hey, I'm not owned yet.  I jumped into a Tali discussion on the anti-Tali side.  I didn't expect a ton of support

[BTG_01]

Lividity Jones wrote...

BTG_01 wrote...

Apparently I'm the only one who remembers that scene as being relatively civil. Sure there was tension in the room, but I don't think that AI comment was some kind of subtle jab at Quarians.

btw, what can I get for my Simon points?

I'm sorry, but you just don't bring up the one thing that lead to the attempted genocide of a culture without it being a "jab".

The way he stated it it seemed very matter-of-fact to him. I didn't detect any contempt in his voice. I just think he wasn't considering the historical relevance that AIs have for Quarians. Cultural sensitivity isn't one of his stronger points.

I realize this isn't a very defensible position, but I still think Jacob was just ignorant, not malicious.

[Azint]

DrathanGervaise wrote...

Azint wrote...

DrathanGervaise wrote...

Jake71887 wrote...

I'm bored

Ditto.

When is Starcraft 2 coming out?

The next time you sleep. Lock the doors, Drathan.

No need.

I sleep with a gun under my pillow.

I gave mine a girls name.

I also gave my gun a girls name.

[solazz]

DrathanGervaise wrote...

Ditto.

When is Starcraft 2 coming out?

My friend got into the SC2 beta and he doesn't even like RTS games. I was super mega amazingly pissed.

[Jake71887]

runescapeguy9 wrote...

Jake71887 wrote...

I'm bored

Go color something.

Eh, having trouble coloring Shazz's other pictures

[Goat_Shepard]

Phil725 wrote...

Simon9one wrote...

Phil725 wrote...
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People hate Tali because the quarians invented the geth.  We all see that as wrong.  Why is it OK for Tali to hate all members of Cerberus without further knowledge? 

She was Quarian by birth, not by choice.

And everyone has heard of Cerberus' dark past.  She saw Jacob as soneone willing to join an organization she hadn't heard a single good thing about.

She is still judging without knowing all the facts.  Jacob joined Cerberus as a last resort because the Alliance was limiting him (at least I think thats the story.)  He didn't join because he was a quarian hating human supremecist. 

But to the point that she hadn't heard anything good about Cerberus, the same is true for quarians.  We hear all kinds of rumors about the quarians, about them being cyborgs and stuff.  It seems to me that there are plenty of people who know that the quarians invented the geth, and thats all.  Its wrong to judge people before you get the whole story.  No exceptions.

"I work for you, not Cerberus". She doesn't dislike Jacob, she wants Jacob and Cerby to know she's there for Shepard.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    

Modifié par Goat_Shepard, 05 avril 2010 - 03:23 .

[solazz]

[quote]Azint wrote...

The next time you sleep. Lock the doors, Drathan.[/quote]

No need.

I sleep with a gun under my pillow.

[/quote]
I gave mine a girls name.

I also gave my gun a girls name.[/quote]

ZING!

[gkillerrin]

Azint wrote...

DrathanGervaise wrote...

Jake71887 wrote...

I'm bored

Ditto.

When is Starcraft 2 coming out?

The next time you sleep. Lock the doors, Drathan.

If blizzard had anything to do with it, then Never if they could they would continue to make it forever

[sergio71785]

I like Tali

[Phil725]

Mukora wrote...

Phil725 wrote...

Why hate Jacob?  He had absolutely nothing to do with the attack on the flotilla.  People hate Tali because the quarians invented the geth.  We all see that as wrong.  Why is it OK for Tali to hate all members of Cerberus without further knowledge?  Her and Jacob are in agreement with the attack on the flotilla being something that they're against, but she doesn't know that because she's already labeled him. 

It goes against her character, which is much more understanding.

Like I said, this was before I got to know him better. At first I thought he was like Miranda, and he thought Cerberus could do no wrong. When I learned why he actually joined Cerberus, I felt bad for judging him too quickly. Also, thanks to Pel and the Hades' Dogs questline in ME1 I hate all Cerberus members by default. Doesn't mean I can't grow to understand their motives. (The Cerberus members, not Cerberus itself. The organization can go die in a fire.)

But you just stumbled into my whole point.  We as the player are supposed to judge Jacob and Cerberus as a whole before we know what's going on.  Its what people do.

Tali is supposed to be different.  She has been discriminated all her life, and everywhere else in the game, she is perfectly understanding.  She has every reason to hate Cerberus, but her normal method of thinking would be to see if Jacob was really a bad person before judging.  Part of the reason that I like her is that she takes a situation that would sour me and most people on the world around me, and she stays upbeat and openminded. 

[LonsomeAlex417]

DrathanGervaise wrote...

Jake71887 wrote...

I'm bored

Ditto.

When is Starcraft 2 coming out?

Later this year.....Oh, wait, it just got delayed untill 2020....

[Lividity Jones]

BTG_01 wrote...

Lividity Jones wrote...

BTG_01 wrote...

Apparently I'm the only one who remembers that scene as being relatively civil. Sure there was tension in the room, but I don't think that AI comment was some kind of subtle jab at Quarians.

btw, what can I get for my Simon points?

I'm sorry, but you just don't bring up the one thing that lead to the attempted genocide of a culture without it being a "jab".

The way he stated it it seemed very matter-of-fact to him. I didn't detect any contempt in his voice. I just think he wasn't considering the historical relevance that AIs have for Quarians. Cultural sensitivity isn't one of his stronger points.

I realize this isn't a very defensible position, but I still think Jacob was just ignorant, not malicious.

And maybe that is why Tali chose not to react to his idiocy. Tali's glare was well within her rights and I was glad to see that she had the integrity to not have an outburst, which is in keeping with her character.

[Jake71887]

runescapeguy9 wrote...

Jake71887 wrote...
Eh, having trouble coloring Shazz's other pictures

I would give you a suggestion but I deleted all of my photos.

I got this far before deeming that I'd messed it up beyond repair

[Goat_Shepard]

sergio71785 wrote...

I like Tali