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[NuclearBuddha]

Lareit wrote...

NuclearBuddha wrote...

What drove it home for me was that the English Dept. counselor had a Chemistry degree and he told me his wife, who was a therapist at the local hospital, had a Ceramics degree.  That was when I started not worrying so much about graduating with a "useless" degree.

About the only degree that has a potentially negative stigma to it is Philosophy haha.

And even that, not so much. Jobs teach you what you need for your role. If you can show you can do hard work or hell even getting a good recomendation is all you need to fill the role.

Yeah, a bachelor's degree isn't so much showing your proficiency in a field as it is showing you have the discipline to earn one.

Heh, philosphy.  Most philo's I've met were there for moving on to a Law degree, which is perfectly acceptable, I guess.

[NuclearBuddha]

AddoExAtrum wrote...

NuclearBuddha wrote...

When I was in school, people who tried writing 2ndPoV usually got smacked down in workshops for being gimmicky.  To a certain extent, I agree.  The style is not what people are used to reading, so a lot of writers experiment in it specifically to be different or confrontational or whatever.

That said, I think that it's uniquely appropriate to the kind of writing being done in game fanfics, which are just about a 2ndPoV experience.

I still find it a little strange to be reading, but if it's well written, variety is usually good.

that was exactly my reasoning when I started using 2nd PoV. The game is played with you as Shepard why shouldnt the book be written the same way? I would love your opinion if you get the time but I understand if not. I have about 24000 words now between the 15 chapters.

I've read the last couple chapters on breaks at work.  It's interesting.  How much of an opinion do you really want?

[Lareit]

NuclearBuddha wrote...


I've read the last couple chapters on breaks at work.  It's interesting.  How much of an opinion do you really want?

Not a true writer if you don't want honest criticism.

[AddoExAtrum]

NuclearBuddha wrote...
I've read the last couple chapters on breaks at work.  It's interesting.  How much of an opinion do you really want?

An honest one of course. If a writer cant handle criticizm they dont deserve to be a writer.

[sergio71785]

MMA7FF wrote...

sergio71785 wrote...

Tali: Shepard! There you are! We got an emergency in engineering!

Shepard: What? What's wrong Tali?

Tali: There's some strange alien down there! It rubbed against my leg, then when I looked at it, it ran away; now I don't know where it is.

Shepard: Oh....her.

Tali: Her? You know about this?

Shepard: Yeah...she' a "cat". They're a native animal of earth. They're popular pets among humans. I found her on Freedom's Progress after we parted ways. With her owners gone, I figured I'd take her to an animal shelter on the Citadel. I just kinda forgot about her.

Tali: You forgot? Did you also forget that animals leave fecal matter on the ground, where anyone can step on it?

Shepard: 

THAT WAS SOOOOOO RANDOM lol

Not to me, I got an army of cats living with me  
And when you think about it, if Tali saw a cat, she'd very likely have no idea what it is. 

[Yazman]

an ARMY of cats? LOL

[Azint]

It was entertaining reading what you all had to say tonight, and again I apologize for my lack of consistency, still new at this forum-posting business. So, have fun.

[MMA7FF]

Yazman wrote...

an ARMY of cats? LOL

lol well you coulda given us some warning like
how do you think tali would react if she saw a cat? lol
theeennn post that lol

[knight5923]

Azint wrote...

It was entertaining reading what you all had to say tonight, and again I apologize for my lack of consistency, still new at this forum-posting business. So, have fun.

................ Was that you saying goodbye?
If so, tootles
sweet Tali filled dreams to ya

[NuclearBuddha]

Lareit wrote...

NuclearBuddha wrote...


I've read the last couple chapters on breaks at work.  It's interesting.  How much of an opinion do you really want?

Not a true writer if you don't want honest criticism.

I have to ask.  I've read a lot, and have strong opinions on what I like and dont like or what works and doesn't work.  Some people don't really want criticism, and maybe I'm not the best at giving it in a constructive manner.

I know how it feels to have something I wrote and cared about get deconstructed in a brutal fashion.  Heck, I do it to myself all the time, that's why I write so slowly.  So I don't want to up in someone's business unless they really want it.

[Lareit]

NuclearBuddha wrote...

Lareit wrote...

NuclearBuddha wrote...


I've read the last couple chapters on breaks at work.  It's interesting.  How much of an opinion do you really want?

Not a true writer if you don't want honest criticism.

I have to ask.  I've read a lot, and have strong opinions on what I like and dont like or what works and doesn't work.  Some people don't really want criticism, and maybe I'm not the best at giving it in a constructive manner.

I know how it feels to have something I wrote and cared about get deconstructed in a brutal fashion.  Heck, I do it to myself all the time, that's why I write so slowly.  So I don't want to up in someone's business unless they really want it.

Proper critique should focus on things that are less opinions and more factual. Opinions should be formed in a matter of question.
Say he has Tali dance the Charlsetown. I would say "Do you really think Tali is the type to do such a thing, how would she even know what it is i the first place" which is a polite way of saying "THIS IS STUPID".

So if you critic properly, it should never be unappreciated by a true writer.

[AddoExAtrum]

@NuclearBuddha

Well if you think it will upset other people in the forum send it to me in a PM but be honest with me
I prefer the honest straight forward critics when it comes to writing
as long as they are making genuine points and not just saying "dur dur yer stupid" or something to that effect

[NuclearBuddha]

AddoExAtrum wrote...

NuclearBuddha wrote...
I've read the last couple chapters on breaks at work.  It's interesting.  How much of an opinion do you really want?

An honest one of course. If a writer cant handle criticizm they dont deserve to be a writer.

Heh, then where do you want it, in the head or in the chest?

Like I said, I've just read a couple chapters while killing time.  I'll look at it closer tomorrow.  The only thing I have to saw now is that that properly dividing paragraphs, especially with regards to dialogue, makes stuff easier to read.

[NuclearBuddha]

Lareit wrote...

Proper critique should focus on things that are less opinions and more factual. Opinions should be formed in a matter of question.
Say he has Tali dance the Charlsetown. I would say "Do you really think Tali is the type to do such a thing, how would she even know what it is i the first place" which is a polite way of saying "THIS IS STUPID".

So if you critic properly, it should never be unappreciated by a true writer.

Oh, I don't actually think I'm a tactless critic.  I just didn't want to come off as an arrogant know-it-all.

[AddoExAtrum]

NuclearBuddha wrote...


Heh, then where do you want it, in the head or in the chest?

Like I said, I've just read a couple chapters while killing time.  I'll look at it closer tomorrow.  The only thing I have to saw now is that that properly dividing paragraphs, especially with regards to dialogue, makes stuff easier to read.

Danteshepard mentioned that earlier, I am trying a different approach with chapter 16 that hopefully does what he was saying. If its right I will go back and edit the other 15 chapters. Want to make sure I understand exactly what he was referring to before I just go editing.

[Jakegnosis]

NuclearBuddha wrote...

*snip*

I have to ask.  I've read a lot, and have strong opinions on what I like and dont like or what works and doesn't work.  Some people don't really want criticism, and maybe I'm not the best at giving it in a constructive manner.

I know how it feels to have something I wrote and cared about get deconstructed in a brutal fashion.  Heck, I do it to myself all the time, that's why I write so slowly.  So I don't want to up in someone's business unless they really want it.

I'm very much the same.  I am a vicious editor, and I fnd it hard to turn that part of my brain off.  I used to feel guilty in college writing classes where peer review was required, because I'd often get a paper back from a classmate with "It was great!!! No suggestions!!!" on the last page, and the poor bastard's paper was top-to-bottom ink, courtesy me. 

[NuclearBuddha]

AddoExAtrum wrote...

@NuclearBuddha

Well if you think it will upset other people in the forum send it to me in a PM but be honest with me
I prefer the honest straight forward critics when it comes to writing
as long as they are making genuine points and not just saying "dur dur yer stupid" or something to that effect

Feel free to have at me in the comments section, then, too.

[knight5923]

Well, I'm a head out too, before I get called any other type of bodily orifice
(teehee, Vas Defrenz, Quarians are funny)

Keelah Sel'ai all


And go read my fanfic 'n watch my videos! both in my Sig!

Modifié par knight5923, 25 février 2010 - 07:27 .

[AddoExAtrum]

knight5923 wrote...

Well, I'm a head out too, before I get called any other type of bodily orifice
(teehee, Vas Defrenz, Quarians are funny)

Keelah Sel'ai all


And go read my fanfic 'n watch my videos! both in my Sig!

lol Keelah se'lai knight!

[NuclearBuddha]

Jakegnosis wrote...

NuclearBuddha wrote...

*snip*

I have to ask.  I've read a lot, and have strong opinions on what I like and dont like or what works and doesn't work.  Some people don't really want criticism, and maybe I'm not the best at giving it in a constructive manner.

I know how it feels to have something I wrote and cared about get deconstructed in a brutal fashion.  Heck, I do it to myself all the time, that's why I write so slowly.  So I don't want to up in someone's business unless they really want it.

I'm very much the same.  I am a vicious editor, and I fnd it hard to turn that part of my brain off.  I used to feel guilty in college writing classes where peer review was required, because I'd often get a paper back from a classmate with "It was great!!! No suggestions!!!" on the last page, and the poor bastard's paper was top-to-bottom ink, courtesy me. 

Been there.  I try to divide stuff I read into two categories:  the people I could never help, and the people I could.  The people I can't help (since this is just the internet, after all) get off-hand comments.  If they're having fun, good for them.

When I see someone who's clearly got the basics, but just isn't taking the time or whatever to be great, that's when I try to actually offer something.

[NuclearBuddha]

AddoExAtrum wrote...

NuclearBuddha wrote...


Heh, then where do you want it, in the head or in the chest?

Like I said, I've just read a couple chapters while killing time.  I'll look at it closer tomorrow.  The only thing I have to saw now is that that properly dividing paragraphs, especially with regards to dialogue, makes stuff easier to read.

Danteshepard mentioned that earlier, I am trying a different approach with chapter 16 that hopefully does what he was saying. If its right I will go back and edit the other 15 chapters. Want to make sure I understand exactly what he was referring to before I just go editing.

What I'm saying specifically is that sometimes you've got dialogue from two different characters in the same paragraph.  That's no good.

Edit:  BTW, if what I'm writing in the background right now ends up being disjointed, I'm blaming you all.

Modifié par NuclearBuddha, 25 février 2010 - 07:33 .

[MMA7FF]

knight5923 wrote...

Well, I'm a head out too, before I get called any other type of bodily orifice
(teehee, Vas Defrenz, Quarians are funny)

Keelah Sel'ai all


And go read my fanfic 'n watch my videos! both in my Sig!

keelah se'lai knight

[Maera Imrov]

Thane fangirl popping in to add her voice to the Tali fans! Tali has been a favorite of mine since ME1, and I was quite happy to see her again in 2, with a bit more of an edge to her. I'm hoping they'll simply stick the entire combined 1/2 crew in 3, but if not, I'd love to see Tali still. She's my femShep's 'lil sister' in some ways, and I'd hate to see her reduced to cameo/NPC status.

[challenger18]

Jakegnosis wrote...

NuclearBuddha wrote...

*snip*

I have to ask.  I've read a lot, and have strong opinions on what I like and dont like or what works and doesn't work.  Some people don't really want criticism, and maybe I'm not the best at giving it in a constructive manner.

I know how it feels to have something I wrote and cared about get deconstructed in a brutal fashion.  Heck, I do it to myself all the time, that's why I write so slowly.  So I don't want to up in someone's business unless they really want it.

I'm very much the same.  I am a vicious editor, and I fnd it hard to turn that part of my brain off.  I used to feel guilty in college writing classes where peer review was required, because I'd often get a paper back from a classmate with "It was great!!! No suggestions!!!" on the last page, and the poor bastard's paper was top-to-bottom ink, courtesy me. 

Writing is not my field by any means, art is, but I know what you mean. I'm in a school right now where they tell you, give a proper critique, saying it's perfect and awesome with sugar on top is not a critique and you will be graded accordingly. That makes me feel better in not having to worry about people's feelings, which I don't to begin with if it's professional or acedemic.

Concerning fan work, I tend to keep my mouth shut unless the poster says they want critique. I find it's too easy for people to otherwise be overly defensive or not even acknowledge your post if you attempt to critique them.