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[Scy Lancer]

Alright. I've been gone for a few days. Had to pay the bills and all. Here is Chapter 5 in wedding bells.

Ch 5. A long dark secret



Also for those who haven't checked them out yet, or just like the story. Here is the the rest of the story so far.



Prologue

Ch 1. Old crew

Ch 2. F*cked up Flower Girl

Ch 3. Grunts Tux

Ch 4. Dress disaster

[Varthun]

MMA7FF wrote...


quick question
in the case that your shepard dies.. doesnt the whole squad?
or at least a lot of the others die?
cause idk what you have to do to get killed but i never did
i didnt even see a situation were it was a maybe lol

I'm pretty sure that yes, you do have to have all your other members die to have Shepard die.

[Azint]

AddoExAtrum wrote...

Azint wrote...

Wait, do Garrus or Tali have any interaction with Fist? Especially Tali since you know, Fist set her up to die.

Always took Wrex with me to Chora's Den, not a single game for me to try this.

No i thought she would too and she didnt. At one point i thought she was going to say something about him but i never could duplicate it. She started to say shepard then just cut out as i approached fist. hasn't happend in any game since

I was hoping she would pull off a Wrex and blast him with her shotgun. Or maybe finally use that knife she always has...

[MMA7FF]

Pauravi wrote...

MMA7FF wrote...

wrex kills him no matter what he isnt in me2
addo you gotta be thinking of someone else

Uhh, you know it is possible NOT to take Wrex on the Fist mission, right?
You most certainly can let Fist live, and he does show up in ME2.

huh well what do you kno lol
i never knew that
my bad hes hella dead in my game
now i wanna go back and fix that d**mit
but ive come to faer to go back now...

[Madecologist]

Azint wrote...

Wait, do Garrus or Tali have any interaction with Fist? Especially Tali since you know, Fist set her up to die.

Always took Wrex with me to Chora's Den, not a single game for me to try this.

Don't you deal with Fist before rescuing Tali... or wait a minute... is Fist alive in ME2 and you are refering to that? If yes, then wow... just like Nora this is an NPC I will never see in ME2

[Yionel]

Varthun wrote...

MMA7FF wrote...


quick question
in the case that your shepard dies.. doesnt the whole squad?
or at least a lot of the others die?
cause idk what you have to do to get killed but i never did
i didnt even see a situation were it was a maybe lol

I'm pretty sure that yes, you do have to have all your other members die to have Shepard die.

In short you really need to not want to play the game to die
no loyal squad member to pull you up so that leaves joker wich cant fire and pull you up at same time so you die

[MMA7FF]

Varthun wrote...

MMA7FF wrote...


quick question
in the case that your shepard dies.. doesnt the whole squad?
or at least a lot of the others die?
cause idk what you have to do to get killed but i never did
i didnt even see a situation were it was a maybe lol

I'm pretty sure that yes, you do have to have all your other members die to have Shepard die.

so thus in the process everything arch stated about TNG having relationships with old squad mates like tali would be negated.... hmmm

[AddoExAtrum]

Varthun wrote...

Archonsg wrote...

My point was that Bioware *should* take into account what Shepard has done in the past two games so that if you choose to play TNG, he'd have a world where Shepard has left an imprint.
Now coming back to Tali, *if* Tali is recruitable and this is what we want right? Should not she be just as accessible to TNG too? The only execption is that she will talk about Shepard and will carry a wound in her heart that TNG won't be able to heal. Maybe.

That make sense to you?

The problem is "TNG" won't exist. Games won't carry over if your Shepard died. There's no import, with all your other characters, etc. It just doesn't happen. So the situation couldn't exist where your old members are referencing a dead Shepard. At least, that is their stance so far.

As varthun pointed out there is no new character if you import a ME2 character. As I should point out NONE of the major imprints from ME1 are present in ME2 if you did not import a ME1 character. You do not see fist. You get no letter from the guy whose wife is being experimented on. Hell your own mother doesnt email you if you did not talk to her in me1 and import the character. Everything from ME1 is whitewashed if you use a basic ME2 startup. You basically made every wrong decision you possibly could and there is nothing left to affect the game.

Now come along ME3. Shepard and HIS ENTIRE CREW died on the suicide mission. IT IS WHITE WASHED you have no import. You had no effect on the game as far as they are concerned and you start with an entirely new setup.

If you did import from ME2 and ME1 everything changes again. Conrad will probably make another appearance in ME3. The Asari from Saren's base showed up in ME2 and I bet she does again in ME3. Helena Blake the crime lord shows up in ME2 if you let her live and will again in ME3 I would bet. But If you never imported an ME1 character the asari isnt there. No conrad. No helena. No fist. No imprint. No effect.

[Yazman]

MMA7FF wrote...

Archonsg wrote...

AddoExAtrum wrote...

@Archonsg

Ok I lied I have read your post now and I think the idea of letting 2-3 years go by is stupid. The Reapers are seen on the edge of the galaxy at the end of ME2. If they wait 2-3 YEARS the invasion will be well under way. That just doesnt seem like a smart move on Bioware's part.

I mean if they have the invasion well underway what the hell have you been doing? As for bringing back the old LI's I think they will bring back Ash possibly because of the apology letter she sends you if you had her as a LI in ME1

As for Liara no. She doesnt apologize at all. I think she will be available sooner as DLC in ME2

You are entitled to your opinion however, and before you start harping at us for posting so much you have to understand that this thread is about people who love tali and want to see her returned to ME3 as a squaddie and LI not as a NPC like they did with Wrex, Ash, Kaiden, and Liara.

I remember once where, at a fan meet, someone asked J. Michael Straczynski (of Babylon 5 fame) how fast does the Whitestar fly since it cannot be possible to be "as fast" or as "slow" as it seems to be at times. His answer was briliantly, "as fast or slow as the plot allows" or something to that effect.
We all assume that the reapers move at a certian speed or have a definite ammount of time and space to cover. Who is to say that it won't take them a week, 2 months, or 5 years if the plot requires it?

And what I meant when I mentioned Shepard's death saved games is that I do believe that Bioware did not spend all this time creating and developing characters like Garrus and Tali only to throw them away in ME3. Even with "The New Guy" (TNG) these characters should play a major part in ME3.

My point was that Bioware *should* take into account what Shepard has done in the past two games so that if you choose to play TNG, he'd have a world where Shepard has left an imprint.
Now coming back to Tali, *if* Tali is recruitable and this is what we want right? Should not she be just as accessible to TNG too? The only execption is that she will talk about Shepard and will carry a wound in her heart that TNG won't be able to heal. Maybe.

That make sense to you?

quick question
in the case that your shepard dies.. doesnt the whole squad?
or at least a lot of the others die?
cause idk what you have to do to get killed but i never did
i didnt even see a situation were it was a maybe lol

If you die in ME2, your Shepard's story ends there and you just get the default one in ME3.

[AddoExAtrum]

Madecologist wrote...

Azint wrote...

Wait, do Garrus or Tali have any interaction with Fist? Especially Tali since you know, Fist set her up to die.

Always took Wrex with me to Chora's Den, not a single game for me to try this.

Don't you deal with Fist before rescuing Tali... or wait a minute... is Fist alive in ME2 and you are refering to that? If yes, then wow... just like Nora this is an NPC I will never see in ME2

If you really want to see fist go to www.masseffectsaves.com and download a me1 save character file that you like, import it and bam.

If you never played ME1 one of the biggest things you will miss out on in ME3 will be the return of the Rachini race which the Krogans were first broght to space to fight off. In ME1 you can choose to release their queen and bring their race back to the galaxy. In ME2 you meet an Asari on Illium who gives you a message from the Rachini promising their help in the final battle

[NeoNight1986]

i can not belive just how much the Tali posting buzz has gone on, I am fan, not as rabbid as some here but share my enthusiasum. I am very happy to see just how much support there is for this character. I am extreamly happy that this show of support has gained the eye of bioware itself. I am wondering just how this... what 39000+ posts thread effects the creators of mass effect 3... if at all. I think it would be very cool if they made an easter egg invovleing this

[Exakil]

Hmmm. @ Addo but any are free to answer



I started on the Archangel drawing Background, have him in ruined looking building, was going to have a Merc company symbol on the wall, any opinion which company i should use?

[AddoExAtrum]

NeoNight1986 wrote...

i can not belive just how much the Tali posting buzz has gone on, I am fan, not as rabbid as some here but share my enthusiasum. I am very happy to see just how much support there is for this character. I am extreamly happy that this show of support has gained the eye of bioware itself. I am wondering just how this... what 39000+ posts thread effects the creators of mass effect 3... if at all. I think it would be very cool if they made an easter egg invovleing this

I wouldnt be suprised if they did. They put several in like Legion doing the Robot if you stare at him long enough. Try probing Uranus in the Local Cluster system. EDI says some funny stuff

[Varthun]

Exakil wrote...

Hmmm. @ Addo but any are free to answer

I started on the Archangel drawing Background, have him in ruined looking building, was going to have a Merc company symbol on the wall, any opinion which company i should use?

Eclipse have a decent looking symbol, but it might not fit as I'm not entirely certain what it is you're talking about.

[AddoExAtrum]

Exakil wrote...

Hmmm. @ Addo but any are free to answer

I started on the Archangel drawing Background, have him in ruined looking building, was going to have a Merc company symbol on the wall, any opinion which company i should use?

Blue Suns, Blood Pack, or Eclipse... He has fought them all. Whichever symbol you use thou it should be blackened or partially destroyed somehow. I like the Eclipse symbol the most myself

[Scalpels]

[quote]MMA7FF wrote...

[quote]Archonsg wrote...

quick question
in the case that your shepard dies.. doesnt the whole squad?
or at least a lot of the others die?
cause idk what you have to do to get killed but i never did
i didnt even see a situation were it was a maybe lol


[/quote]

Examined possiblities. Shepard dies when all party members die. Only sentients remaining: Joker and EDI.

[Wally2905]

Archonsg wrote...

Wow guys, gotta wade into almost 60 pages of posts.

You know, I am starting to worry, the problem with the previous thread, and apparently this one from all indication is that the thread grows faster than rabbits in heat hump. Averaging about 100 to 120pages or more of posts a day now.

That’s both awesome and scary in a many ways.

It also makes it very hard to carry any real discussions as anything posted will probably get buried in a hurry in a matter of minutes from “white noise” postings. Now, please don’t get me wrong, I support the idea of Tali coming back and not just giving a “bit” part in ME3 like what they did to Ashley and Liarra, but I have been thinking about how Bioware is going to implement what we want and I have to tell you, I am hoping for the best, but expecting the worse.

Allow me to explain.

It all comes back to how Bioware is going to bring Shepard back onto the stage for ME3. IF ME3 starts *immediately right after* ME2 ends, then I do believe that we can bring everyone who survived into ME3’s story and play it out as is ME2 never ended and its off to fight the reapers. This would mean all our LI’s, Miranda, Jack, Tali, Garrus, Thane, Jacob and Kelly, will carry over with your LI choices intact. Also, any surviving crew will still be with you so you have no reason to run around “collecting” /recruiting henchmen to help you battle the reapers and can get right to the heart of the next instalment of ME. Personally I think that this is the ideal “game plan” but who knows what Bioware has in store for us.

Now assuming that this is what happens, we Talimancers should really be encouraging Bioware to also include all the other LIs as let’s be honest here, Bioware cannot give Tali “favourable” treatment giving her all their attention and making her the *only* viable LI choice while making the other LI choices seem like a thrown bone to “everyone-else”. It is in my opinion that everyone’s LI’s choice in ME2 including Liarra, Kaiden, Ashley, Morrinth/Samara and yes, even Mordin if that is your bent should be given as much spit and shine making them equals at least in those who would choose anyone other than Tali. I feel that it is the only way Tali will get her house on Rannoch. By supporting the other LI’s we are really in the long run making sure Tali comes back as a squad mate.

That of course is assuming Bioware will bring back the whole group in ME2.

If however they do what they did in ME2, allow time to pass after the attack on the collector’s base. Then it is possible to throw everything out the window. This is the more likely scenario I think Bioware will use because it allows for new squad mates, repaired refitted and improved Normandy +EDI. I can’t believe that they will crash and burn her the second time.

Now here is where it gets really sticky.

Chances are that at least another two to three years need to to pass to for Shepard and crew in ME2 to bring the Council races, The Systems Alliance and Cerberus around and this means sending out envoys. Tali to the Migrant Fleet, Grunt to Thuchanka, Samara/Morrinth to Thessia , Mirranda to Cerberus HQ, and so on. This would allow for the re-recuiting of either Ashley / Kaiden / Liarra as the final push against the reapers begin. The story then could force or negate any party previous party members in favour for new ones. I really, really sincerely hope this will not be the case.
For Bioware to actually allow everything previously in both ME1, ME2 and possible ME3 companion relationships to outshine anything that came before, they really need to put in a lot of work and create scenes for characters that might never be used.

Then you also have to consider those who carry over saved games where Shepard dies. How will these companions react to this new and essentially all but a “stranger” spectre that is supposed to step into Shepard’s shoes. If Bioware does a cop out and make anyone who had teamed up with Shepard in ME1 and ME2, act like nothing’s happen and if the LIs especially Tali goes and warm his bed, that is just so wrong. But if they made it so that every member makes “the new guy” feels like he has more than just shoes to fill, and maybe even give this “new buy” a chance to find love in one of the “new” LIs ..that’s fine with me.

So, bring back not just Tali, but everyone who has ever been a part of Shepard’s team and give the game a true sense of continuity.

All this means that ME3 if it is to have everything that every ME fan wants, and meet expectations, is going to be so huge an undertaking that I am not sure if they can do it. I can only hope and it’s a very faint hope at most, that by posting this, on the rare chance someone in Bioware with decision making ability read this and stops for a moment to consider its merits.

Sadly, this post will probably be buried and left unread by the surely massive postings that will come after this but, it’s something that I wanted and had to say.

I fully support the idea of having old shipmates/LIs back. In fact I am hoping that's how it will be. Their story potential is huge, and I would love to see how new and old characters interact - Wrex/Grunt, Ash/Miranda Liara/Miranda etc. If they don't let us do that I don't think the game will be as great as it can be. (Imagine having 2 krogan in your party )

As far as romancing goes, I don't think any of the possible LIs sofar has had any preferential treatment, and I think that is a good thing. I love Tali to no end () but I don't think the game should be only about her. I am just hoping, for the sake of us that will hopefully get to romance her in ME3, that they do an awesome job in further developing her character. Also that they give us plenty of time with her and that they remember the little tidbits that would make the romance even more awesome (like building that house for example). Hopefully similar things could be done to other LIs

Dead Shepard... that's a little bit problematic. On one hand he IS the center of the game and I don't really see it working without him. On the other hand Bioware always lets bad things happen if you want them to happen...you reap what you sow kind of thing. I seriously doubt they will hack & slash trough the story and have a dead Shepard resurrected once again (that wouldn't work in D&D, let alone here). Instead they miight take the following route.... Cerberus cloned him somewhere along the line and had him rapidly grown (a get out of jail free card if you killed your Shep),

I don't know if it's possible to kill your Shepard and have the rest/most crew survive, or is it just that he dies if everyone else does. If everyone dies and you have Joker and Shepard 3.0 then it's not that difficult to integrate him back.

If, on the other hand, you have Shepard 3.0 and ME and ME2 crew then he might have to convince the crew trough his actions that he is just like the original. This would be pretty similar to what Data would have to do if they make Star Trek XI (For thise not in the loop, Data dies, but prior to that downloads himself  into a new Data they find in the beginning of the movie)

anyways just a few of my morning thoughts

[Exakil]

Sorry i wrote my post wrong, Lets call it poll



Eclipse

Blue Suns

Blood Pack



Whichever one you like best, going on a blasted and ruined wall In background

[AddoExAtrum]

Wally2905 wrote.....

good thing. I love Tali to no end (/images/forum/emoticons/love.png) but I don't think the game should be only about her. I am just hoping, for the sake of us that will hopefully get to romance her in ME3, that they do an awesome job in further developing her character. Also that they give us plenty of time with her and that they remember the little tidbits that would make the romance even more awesome (like building that house for example). Hopefully similar things could be done to other LIs

I agree with this but again I have to point out if your shepard dies the entire team dies so they have to have a fallback option. The new guy wont have to convince the old team he is the same person because they are dead.

[Azint]

Blood Pack

Since Garrus had a close encounter with Garm, the leader on Omega. Still up to you, though.

[AddoExAtrum]

Exakil wrote...

Sorry i wrote my post wrong, Lets call it poll

Eclipse X
Blue Suns
Blood Pack

Whichever one you like best, going on a blasted and ruined wall In background

[Wally2905]

AddoExAtrum wrote...

As for Liara no. She doesnt apologize at all. I think she will be available sooner as DLC in ME2

I don't think it's that shallow. She may be doing something for Me that I just can't see right now. I do have sympathy for her becuse I liked her in ME1 and I just don't think she is going to be left behind. NOt after the help I provided in ME2

[Madecologist]

AddoExAtrum wrote...

Madecologist wrote...

Azint wrote...

Wait, do Garrus or Tali have any interaction with Fist? Especially Tali since you know, Fist set her up to die.

Always took Wrex with me to Chora's Den, not a single game for me to try this.

Don't you deal with Fist before rescuing Tali... or wait a minute... is Fist alive in ME2 and you are refering to that? If yes, then wow... just like Nora this is an NPC I will never see in ME2

If you really want to see fist go to www.masseffectsaves.com and download a me1 save character file that you like, import it and bam.

If you never played ME1 one of the biggest things you will miss out on in ME3 will be the return of the Rachini race which the Krogans were first broght to space to fight off. In ME1 you can choose to release their queen and bring their race back to the galaxy. In ME2 you meet an Asari on Illium who gives you a message from the Rachini promising their help in the final battle

Fist and Nora were two NPCs that always got killed in my playthroughs of ME1.

[Exakil]

Didnt Garrus have a close encounter with every merc group in existance? He pissed them all off good

[RaoulG4668]

Shameless plug! The very first chapter of 'Bloodshed' is up now, it continues the love story left from 'The Malfunction'! Feedback keeps the stories going! Enjoy! 

http://social.biowar...6690/blog/2610/


And with that, I'm off to bed. Keelah Se'lai! Tali forever! <3

Modifié par RaoulG4668, 19 février 2010 - 08:03 .