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[Exakil]

Alright, added a cracked and faded Eclipse symbol to a wall in the background, just need some stuff behind that wall, building maybe? more walls... hmm

[AddoExAtrum]

Exakil wrote...

Alright, added a cracked and faded Eclipse symbol to a wall in the background, just need some stuff behind that wall, building maybe? more walls... hmm

do a broken earth terminator kinda scene, crumbling buildings in the background charred sky perhaps for an alien world etc.

[Yionel]

for those of you who missed it..dang!

[Scy Lancer]

Exakil wrote...

Alright, added a cracked and faded Eclipse symbol to a wall in the background, just need some stuff behind that wall, building maybe? more walls... hmm

Pile of bodies? Crashed ship? Maybe a few people waling away with smoking guns?

[Angelraid]

Archonsg wrote...

AddoExAtrum wrote...

@Archonsg

Ok I lied I have read your post now and I think the idea of letting 2-3 years go by is stupid. The Reapers are seen on the edge of the galaxy at the end of ME2. If they wait 2-3 YEARS the invasion will be well under way. That just doesnt seem like a smart move on Bioware's part.

I mean if they have the invasion well underway what the hell have you been doing? As for bringing back the old LI's I think they will bring back Ash possibly because of the apology letter she sends you if you had her as a LI in ME1

As for Liara no. She doesnt apologize at all. I think she will be available sooner as DLC in ME2

You are entitled to your opinion however, and before you start harping at us for posting so much you have to understand that this thread is about people who love tali and want to see her returned to ME3 as a squaddie and LI not as a NPC like they did with Wrex, Ash, Kaiden, and Liara.

I remember once where, at a fan meet, someone asked J. Michael Straczynski (of Babylon 5 fame) how fast does the Whitestar fly since it cannot be possible to be "as fast" or as "slow" as it seems to be at times. His answer was briliantly, "as fast or slow as the plot allows" or something to that effect.
We all assume that the reapers move at a certian speed or have a definite ammount of time and space to cover. Who is to say that it won't take them a week, 2 months, or 5 years if the plot requires it?

And what I meant when I mentioned Shepard's death saved games is that I do believe that Bioware did not spend all this time creating and developing characters like Garrus and Tali only to throw them away in ME3. Even with "The New Guy" (TNG) these characters should play a major part in ME3.

My point was that Bioware *should* take into account what Shepard has done in the past two games so that if you choose to play TNG, he'd have a world where Shepard has left an imprint.
Now coming back to Tali, *if* Tali is recruitable and this is what we want right? Should not she be just as accessible to TNG too? The only execption is that she will talk about Shepard and will carry a wound in her heart that TNG won't be able to heal. Maybe.

That make sense to you?

Wasnt the whole point of the citidel in the first game that it would take them a really long time to fly back normally and they needed to mass relay jump to the citidel in the first place? I mean if they all could just fly back in 5 years or  something why the heck didnt they just do that to begin with? why the whole bit with saren or w/ the collectors?

At the end of ME2 it shows them all waking up and moving towards the galaxy but they were not even in the ball park of the vacinity of same area as what I would call close to reaching it. The amount of miles that they still have to cover is probly more than anyone here could even fathom. like in the google number set.

[Wally2905]

Why are they leaving her behind?

[Scy Lancer]

Yionel wrote...



for those of you who missed it..dang!

Nooch! Well done sir.

[AddoExAtrum]

Geth Hunter Alpha wrote...

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Wasnt the whole point of the citidel in the first game that it would take them a really long time to fly back normally and they needed to mass relay jump to the citidel in the first place? I mean if they all could just fly back in 5 years or  something why the heck didnt they just do that to begin with? why the whole bit with saren or w/ the collectors?

At the end of ME2 it shows them all waking up and moving towards the galaxy but they were not even in the ball park of the vacinity of same area as what I would call close to reaching it. The amount of miles that they still have to cover is probly more than anyone here could even fathom. like in the google number set.

Actually the point was that they could jump DIRECTLY to the citadel. I am sure they have a hidden relay they can use to jump directly to the terminus systems out in the black space that other races would not know of or have access too. Like how the Omega 4 was set up. You jump to it and you smack into a ring of wreckage. The Citadel was built so you would intentionally make it the center of civilization making it easy for the Reapers to destroy all government. thus throwing the organics into disarray and making the rest of the campaign a simple 100 year mop up operation

[Lareit]

Geth Hunter Alpha wrote...

Archonsg wrote...

AddoExAtrum wrote...

@Archonsg

Ok I lied I have read your post now and I think the idea of letting 2-3 years go by is stupid. The Reapers are seen on the edge of the galaxy at the end of ME2. If they wait 2-3 YEARS the invasion will be well under way. That just doesnt seem like a smart move on Bioware's part.

I mean if they have the invasion well underway what the hell have you been doing? As for bringing back the old LI's I think they will bring back Ash possibly because of the apology letter she sends you if you had her as a LI in ME1

As for Liara no. She doesnt apologize at all. I think she will be available sooner as DLC in ME2

You are entitled to your opinion however, and before you start harping at us for posting so much you have to understand that this thread is about people who love tali and want to see her returned to ME3 as a squaddie and LI not as a NPC like they did with Wrex, Ash, Kaiden, and Liara.

I remember once where, at a fan meet, someone asked J. Michael Straczynski (of Babylon 5 fame) how fast does the Whitestar fly since it cannot be possible to be "as fast" or as "slow" as it seems to be at times. His answer was briliantly, "as fast or slow as the plot allows" or something to that effect.
We all assume that the reapers move at a certian speed or have a definite ammount of time and space to cover. Who is to say that it won't take them a week, 2 months, or 5 years if the plot requires it?

And what I meant when I mentioned Shepard's death saved games is that I do believe that Bioware did not spend all this time creating and developing characters like Garrus and Tali only to throw them away in ME3. Even with "The New Guy" (TNG) these characters should play a major part in ME3.

My point was that Bioware *should* take into account what Shepard has done in the past two games so that if you choose to play TNG, he'd have a world where Shepard has left an imprint.
Now coming back to Tali, *if* Tali is recruitable and this is what we want right? Should not she be just as accessible to TNG too? The only execption is that she will talk about Shepard and will carry a wound in her heart that TNG won't be able to heal. Maybe.

That make sense to you?

Wasnt the whole point of the citidel in the first game that it would take them a really long time to fly back normally and they needed to mass relay jump to the citidel in the first place? I mean if they all could just fly back in 5 years or  something why the heck didnt they just do that to begin with? why the whole bit with saren or w/ the collectors?

At the end of ME2 it shows them all waking up and moving towards the galaxy but they were not even in the ball park of the vacinity of same area as what I would call close to reaching it. The amount of miles that they still have to cover is probly more than anyone here could even fathom. like in the google number set.

Agreed, I don't think people recognize that they're on the outside of the galaxy looking in as if the galaxy it self is a small contained object. They're a stupid distance away without the citadel.

Frankly I'm of a mind that is how we stop them, we blow up the citadel.

[Archonsg]

AddoExAtrum wrote...

I dont see the time and money being an issue to Bioware at this point in time. They already have the character models and graphics for this team very well done. New skin's arent that difficult to make for the existing characters if they decide to update their uniforms etc. They could even reuse the current teams skeletal with a new skin for TNG and just add new voices/storyline which their team could be writing as we speak while the true brains are programming the layout for the new game universe. Its not as difficult as you make it out to be

I see your point.
Hmnnss..
I guess I should put more thought into this before posting.  
Ahh well.
Just didn't want Bioware to "re-use and re-cycle" our companions in ways that would make us go "whhhutt was that all about?!" you know what I mean?

Anyways, it would be REALLY interesting to see how they'll pull off the dead Shepard scenario. I've got just the "sacrificial lamb Shepard" that I'll be running the suicide mission with and botch it all up.

[Lareit]

AddoExAtrum wrote...

Geth Hunter Alpha wrote...

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Wasnt the whole point of the citidel in the first game that it would take them a really long time to fly back normally and they needed to mass relay jump to the citidel in the first place? I mean if they all could just fly back in 5 years or  something why the heck didnt they just do that to begin with? why the whole bit with saren or w/ the collectors?

At the end of ME2 it shows them all waking up and moving towards the galaxy but they were not even in the ball park of the vacinity of same area as what I would call close to reaching it. The amount of miles that they still have to cover is probly more than anyone here could even fathom. like in the google number set.

Actually the point was that they could jump DIRECTLY to the citadel. I am sure they have a hidden relay they can use to jump directly to the terminus systems out in the black space that other races would not know of or have access too. Like how the Omega 4 was set up. You jump to it and you smack into a ring of wreckage. The Citadel was built so you would intentionally make it the center of civilization making it easy for the Reapers to destroy all government. thus throwing the organics into disarray and making the rest of the campaign a simple 100 year mop up operation

Extreamly unlikely. If that was true, why did they need soverign to lead the attack. Why not just have the rest of the repears jump in and blitz the citadel from the outside. It doesn't fit the current evidence. If it is retconned to be as such, it would even negate all the events of ME1 and trivialize all progress in ME2.

[Qario]

posting in the early pages of a legendary thread

[Angelraid]

Archonsg wrote...

MMA7FF wrote...

quick question
in the case that your shepard dies.. doesnt the whole squad?
or at least a lot of the others die?
cause idk what you have to do to get killed but i never did
i didnt even see a situation were it was a maybe lol

Ya.
They'd all die if your Shepard dies in ME2.

If Bioware is willing to spend time and money to creare essentially a new team, new backgrounds and an entire new cast of buddies just for TNG, that's fine with me.

I feel that this is unlikely as its easier for Bioware to use the scenario where if Shepard dies....then what happened in ME2 for the player who played as Shepard didn't happen and you play a "canon" version of what should happen in ME2 where Shepard took a crack team into the Omega 4 relay and never returned minus some old or new faces. (Companion casulties who we'll never see again in ME) 

Any recruitable team members will play a large role, and thus, won't Bioware want to use these characters that they are already paying actors and staff for? So meaning if Tali is to be recruitable, do you think Bioware will just remove her entirely from TNG's recruitable list or have her available but with a "slightly" different story of what happened in ME2?

So what I am saying is this, we all want Tali to come back in ME3 and be part and parcel of our team but, if you stop to think about what happens if you take into consideration if Shepard dies and someone chooses to play TNG, then that will give Bioware problems in terms of cost in both time and money if they are not going to "re-use" her in some form or another.  
I am hoping of course that is EXACTLY what they will do, so if someone actually chooses to play TNG, he'd have a fully new set of characters and team members that has no ties to either ME1 ME2 with the exception of maybe Kaiden / Ashley / Liarra since they are the only "known" survivors who did die with Shepard on the collector's base.

I doubt that many of your squad from ME 2 will be returning as squad members. Just from a technical standpoint having to lay out every single senario resulting from who lives and dies at the end of ME2 to start ME3 will take more work than the first two combined. Just too many variables.

Say if 3 of your squad die, how are they going to replace them? 3 new squad members? But what if 5 die? Then 5 new members? But how do you decide what new ones you get. maybe the guy who got 5 got a cooler guy than the guy who got 3 just cuase he got more replacements. What if know one died then you don't get to see any of the new characters? Or if everyone died? Do you have to do ME3 alone? And every combination in between.

It would be cool if they could do that but the branching would be just too extreme. More than likely they will either

A) reset shepard w/ a new squad like they did in ME2

have the ME1 squad return

I really dont see away around it unless ME3 is gonna be like 20 discs worth of data.

[AddoExAtrum]

Archonsg wrote...


Anyways, it would be REALLY interesting to see how they'll pull off the dead Shepard scenario. I've got just the "sacrificial lamb Shepard" that I'll be running the suicide mission with and botch it all up.

Pointless. If you have a shepard that died in me2 there IS NO IMPORT. you have a generic guy and thats it. If you lose a few characters they will have impacts on their respective parts of the mission I am sure but it will probably be something you can work around. Either through new characters or an old character picking up the slack.

I believe they are doing this specifically to reward the people who bought and played ME1 and ME2. Like my ME1 import character starts ME2 at level 5 with 60k resources and like 350k credits. Its a reward for loyalty

[AddoExAtrum]

Geth Hunter Alpha wrote...

Say if 3 of your squad die, how are they going to replace them? 3 new squad members? But what if 5 die? Then 5 new members? But how do you decide what new ones you get. maybe the guy who got 5 got a cooler guy than the guy who got 3 just cuase he got more replacements. What if know one died then you don't get to see any of the new characters? Or if everyone died? Do you have to do ME3 alone? And every combination in between.

It would be cool if they could do that but the branching would be just too extreme. More than likely they will either

A) reset shepard w/ a new squad like they did in ME2

have the ME1 squad return

I really dont see away around it unless ME3 is gonna be like 20 discs worth of data.

Easier response. Missions based on key members. If members are not present an alternate "renegade/paragon" solution is evident that does not rely on member presence. NPC's like Kirrahe etc. They can have the old squad or have NPC's to fill in the old dead members role. Not as hard as you would think from a writers point of view

[Wally2905]

Lareit wrote...

Extreamly unlikely. If that was true, why did they need soverign to lead the attack. Why not just have the rest of the repears jump in and blitz the citadel from the outside. It doesn't fit the current evidence. If it is retconned to be as such, it would even negate all the events of ME1 and trivialize all progress in ME2.

Perhaps Sovereign is just what he sas he is...a vanguard. Maybe he stayed behind to monitor the development of sentient races until he thinks it's time to annihilate them. At that point he sends the signal to other reapers and they come trought the citadel.

One other thing, I remember somewhere being said that this time around keepers didn't receive the signal they needed to fire up the citadel mass relay. Something along those lines at least

Modifié par Wally2905, 19 février 2010 - 08:43 .

[AddoExAtrum]

Lareit wrote...

*snipping*

Extreamly unlikely. If that was true, why did they need soverign to lead the attack. Why not just have the rest of the repears jump in and blitz the citadel from the outside. It doesn't fit the current evidence. If it is retconned to be as such, it would even negate all the events of ME1 and trivialize all progress in ME2.

Did you not pay attention to ME1 at all?

Soverign was actually Navara and he was left behind to notify the Reaper fleet when organics had reached a point sufficient for their purposes to signal the invasion. The Protheans who were left on Illos built the Conduit to reach the Citadel and BLOCK THE REAPER SIGNAL that had always started the attacks before. Soverign couldnt just fly into the citadel to find out what had happened when he finally set off the signal and nothing happened. The organics were to powerful for it to do that. So it had to use Saren and the Geth to find out what the hell had gone wrong and fix it. It failed to reset the citadel before dying at the end of ME1 and that is why the Invasion was not triggered sooner.

[Archonsg]

Geth Hunter Alpha wrote...

I doubt that many of your squad from ME 2 will be returning as squad members. Just from a technical standpoint having to lay out every single senario resulting from who lives and dies at the end of ME2 to start ME3 will take more work than the first two combined. Just too many variables.

Say if 3 of your squad die, how are they going to replace them? 3 new squad members? But what if 5 die? Then 5 new members? But how do you decide what new ones you get. maybe the guy who got 5 got a cooler guy than the guy who got 3 just cuase he got more replacements. What if know one died then you don't get to see any of the new characters? Or if everyone died? Do you have to do ME3 alone? And every combination in between.

It would be cool if they could do that but the branching would be just too extreme. More than likely they will either

A) reset shepard w/ a new squad like they did in ME2

have the ME1 squad return

I really dont see away around it unless ME3 is gonna be like 20 discs worth of data.

That is what bothered me.
If they bring Tali back, then logic would assume that they have to bring all the others back otherwise there will be dissent in why one character was given preferred status right?

[BLACKOUT228]

Probe Away!







Go TaliNation!!!!

[Yazman]

Archonsg wrote...

Geth Hunter Alpha wrote...

I doubt that many of your squad from ME 2 will be returning as squad members. Just from a technical standpoint having to lay out every single senario resulting from who lives and dies at the end of ME2 to start ME3 will take more work than the first two combined. Just too many variables.

Say if 3 of your squad die, how are they going to replace them? 3 new squad members? But what if 5 die? Then 5 new members? But how do you decide what new ones you get. maybe the guy who got 5 got a cooler guy than the guy who got 3 just cuase he got more replacements. What if know one died then you don't get to see any of the new characters? Or if everyone died? Do you have to do ME3 alone? And every combination in between.

It would be cool if they could do that but the branching would be just too extreme. More than likely they will either

A) reset shepard w/ a new squad like they did in ME2

have the ME1 squad return

I really dont see away around it unless ME3 is gonna be like 20 discs worth of data.

That is what bothered me.
If they bring Tali back, then logic would assume that they have to bring all the others back otherwise there will be dissent in why one character was given preferred status right?

No.. because its justified. Tali & Garrus have always been there with Shep.

[Lareit]

AddoExAtrum wrote...

Lareit wrote...

*snipping*

Extreamly unlikely. If that was true, why did they need soverign to lead the attack. Why not just have the rest of the repears jump in and blitz the citadel from the outside. It doesn't fit the current evidence. If it is retconned to be as such, it would even negate all the events of ME1 and trivialize all progress in ME2.

Did you not pay attention to ME1 at all?

Soverign was actually Navara and he was left behind to notify the Reaper fleet when organics had reached a point sufficient for their purposes to signal the invasion. The Protheans who were left on Illos built the Conduit to reach the Citadel and BLOCK THE REAPER SIGNAL that had always started the attacks before. Soverign couldnt just fly into the citadel to find out what had happened when he finally set off the signal and nothing happened. The organics were to powerful for it to do that. So it had to use Saren and the Geth to find out what the hell had gone wrong and fix it. It failed to reset the citadel before dying at the end of ME1 and that is why the Invasion was not triggered sooner.

Did you not pay attention to ME1/2 at all? The Rachni war was caused by the reapers. Which means the invasion attempt had failed to go off 2 thousand years earlier then the events of ME1 if not more. You really think it took Soverign 2000 years to figure out how to contact his reaper buddies to come help start the invasion attempt if they could of easily just jumped in through some obscure Mass Relay on the outer edges of the galaxy?

[Wally2905]

AddoExAtrum wrote...

Did you not pay attention to ME1 at all?

Soverign was actually Navara and he was left behind to notify the Reaper fleet when organics had reached a point sufficient for their purposes to signal the invasion. The Protheans who were left on Illos built the Conduit to reach the Citadel and BLOCK THE REAPER SIGNAL that had always started the attacks before. Soverign couldnt just fly into the citadel to find out what had happened when he finally set off the signal and nothing happened. The organics were to powerful for it to do that. So it had to use Saren and the Geth to find out what the hell had gone wrong and fix it. It failed to reset the citadel before dying at the end of ME1 and that is why the Invasion was not triggered sooner.

Gg Addo

It's been a while since my last ME1 playtrough. Good to know I subconsciously remembered some things

Modifié par Wally2905, 19 février 2010 - 08:47 .

[AddoExAtrum]

Yazman wrote...

Archonsg wrote...
*snipped*


That is what bothered me.
If they bring Tali back, then logic would assume that they have to bring all the others back otherwise there will be dissent in why one character was given preferred status right?

No.. because its justified. Tali & Garrus have always been there with Shep.

Again they have already said there is no import to me3 if you died in me2. Dont expect to see any of the old chars then would be my guess even if we all feel they belong there cause it wont be the old shep

[Yionel]

AddoExAtrum wrote...

Yazman wrote...

Archonsg wrote...
*snipped*


That is what bothered me.
If they bring Tali back, then logic would assume that they have to bring all the others back otherwise there will be dissent in why one character was given preferred status right?

No.. because its justified. Tali & Garrus have always been there with Shep.

Again they have already said there is no import to me3 if you died in me2. Dont expect to see any of the old chars then would be my guess even if we all feel they belong there cause it wont be the old shep

Im pretty sure dead shepard means your game is over..no patching up for failed games in ME3

[Angelraid]

AddoExAtrum wrote...

Lareit wrote...

*snipping*

Extreamly unlikely. If that was true, why did they need soverign to lead the attack. Why not just have the rest of the repears jump in and blitz the citadel from the outside. It doesn't fit the current evidence. If it is retconned to be as such, it would even negate all the events of ME1 and trivialize all progress in ME2.

Did you not pay attention to ME1 at all?

Soverign was actually Navara and he was left behind to notify the Reaper fleet when organics had reached a point sufficient for their purposes to signal the invasion. The Protheans who were left on Illos built the Conduit to reach the Citadel and BLOCK THE REAPER SIGNAL that had always started the attacks before. Soverign couldnt just fly into the citadel to find out what had happened when he finally set off the signal and nothing happened. The organics were to powerful for it to do that. So it had to use Saren and the Geth to find out what the hell had gone wrong and fix it. It failed to reset the citadel before dying at the end of ME1 and that is why the Invasion was not triggered sooner.

Yeah he was supposed to signal them to jump in....
If they could just fly in normally wtf didnt sovereign just fly over to the rest of the reapers be like

Sovereign "hey guys, i tried calling but the transmitter was all jacked up and it was easier to just fly here than spend decades trying to fix it. anyway it time to go reap ****."
Other reapers "woot lets go bust up some organic ****es"

All fly back and overwhelm everyone one.

Sovereign Spent years setting everything up so he could get back to the citidel and see what went wrong. The citidel wasnt just they transmitter it was the mass relay that would recieve them so they could jump in. W/O it being turned on they couldnt just pop back. If they coulda just drove there in a few years anyway why waste the time w/ the citidel. that would basically make the entire first game pointless.

Modifié par Geth Hunter Alpha, 19 février 2010 - 08:52 .