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[Exakil]

I get the impression that Sovereigns death, or the failure to signal after a certain amount of time, awoke the reapers, who then activated their contingency plan (collecters) and then started approaching the galaxy so that they could clean up whats left, or so that they would arrive eventually, without the aid of the citadel, they have to start cruising here sometime. Just my thoughts on the matter...

[Scy Lancer]

AddoExAtrum wrote...

Scy Lancer wrote...


My thing with Samara wasn't her code. My point was she is almost 1000. Asari don't live much longer then that if I remember right.

If they picked the story right up from where 2 ended they could get every one in it. I can wait though.

Oh no... Mordin is 50 on the Codex but Salarians only live to 40... wait... oh crap...

Crap I forgot! Don't kill Mordin. He's funny and gives you sex advice. No one else on the ship does that. LIke Hell I'd take sex advice from Joker.

[screwoffreg]

It is late here on the west coast but I am frantically finishing up my imagined ending for ME 3. Tali plays a large role in it, so I will post it here. It is long, possibly TOO long, but I hope you will all soon enjoy it. Not long now...

[Exakil]

Also, I thought that Samara was around 600 years old, according to the character profiles on bioware site

[AddoExAtrum]

Exakil wrote...

Also, I thought that Samara was around 600 years old, according to the character profiles on bioware site

She states near the end if you try to romance her that she is nearly 1000 years old and knows her body by now

Modifié par AddoExAtrum, 19 février 2010 - 09:19 .

[turelhimvampire]

Scy Lancer wrote...

Crap I forgot! Don't kill Mordin. He's funny and gives you sex advice. No one else on the ship does that. LIke Hell I'd take sex advice from Joker.

The only time anyone should take Sex advice from Joker is if they are trying to get it on with a Geth.




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That is a joke. 

[Exakil]

Damn you bioware site, you lied to me!



http://masseffect.bi...e/squad/samara/

[AddoExAtrum]

Exakil wrote...

Damn you bioware site, you lied to me!

http://masseffect.bi...e/squad/samara/

nah they said estimated, it wasnt finalized and estimates are always off

[Scy Lancer]

Some people call it shameless promoting, but I'm proud on the work me and the rest of the guys at
Prometheus & Bob Production




Prometheus & Bob Production do to help the Tali thread. So on behalf of me and the rest of the guys....

Here is Chapter 5 in wedding bells.
Ch 5. A long dark secret

Also for those who haven't checked them out yet, or just like the story. Here is the the rest of the story so far.

Prologue
Ch 1. Old crew
Ch 2. F*cked up Flower Girl
Ch 3. Grunts Tux
Ch 4. Dress disaster

Please leave us comments so we get some feed back. We love to hear from you guys.

[Exakil]

erm, damn you estimates then!

[Lareit]

AddoExAtrum wrote...

@Geth Hunter Alpha and Lariet

Ok I dont want that huge quote here

First off  they specifically state in ME1 that it is believed the Reapers retreat to dark space and power down leaving 1 of their number behind to signal the citadel which in turn signals the rest of the Reapers for the return and subsequent annihlation of all things living.

secondly if the rest of the fleet is offline as stated what the hell would they care about 2000 years? that would mean that Soverign is alone, unable to contact the rest of the fleet because of distance or whatever and unable to access the citadel when his signal is not answered because the organics are powerful enough to destroy a single Reaper

thirdly who is to say that Sovereign didnt send a message to the fleet to activate them asking for aid or advice and it took 2000 years to reach them? or even say 500 years or whatever. When it did they sent Harbinger.

fourth Why the hell does anyone think what I said means that they can just appear after 20 years of flight? At the end of ME2 they appear out of the dark space heading for the galaxy. For all we know they have Mass Effect Relays built into their very systems and are able to jump to any relay within a certain distance, or maybe they will take their time and just cruise in over the next 1-5 years. Does it really freaking matter?

fifthly as for the Rachini again I state, the reapers wiped out all traces of civilization, sovereign tries to access the citadel. Nothing happens. he recruits the rachini as you suggest, krogans wipe them out but sovereign is never noticed in the entire thing? Thats fine i suppose.... then he recruits saren and the geth quite a while later because he still isnt able to figure out what the hell has gone wrong on his own and hasnt received an answer from his reaper brethern perhaps? he hits the citadel and maybe while he is connected he wakes up harbinger and that is why the collectors show up 2 years later?

Does any of that make any sense at all? Not in the slightest. maybe harbinger woke up all on his lonesome and just started having fun. Maybe harbinger was there the entire time in ME1 lurking in the shadows enjoying himself with his pets until Sovereign went silent. Why then would harbinger build a human reaper instead of coming in himself to activate the citadel?

You end your summary with a question, which contradicts the entire reason I'm arguging against you.  You said they didn't require the Citadel mass relay to access the galaxy in a timely manner.  Why wouldn't harbinger help soverign if he was aware the whole time if he could get there easily.

What we know.

The Collectors existed before Soverign died. They only started abducting colonies after.
Harbinger, in the void of Darkspace is able to access data from the Collectors not unlike the the Quantom particle communication device installed aboard the normandy to allow instant communication with TIM.

These two facts make it impossible to deny that Soverign was capable, and likely did, communicate with the Repear fleet.

If the repear fleet was aware of all the necessary facts present from ME1 and it's past regarding Soverigns attempts to infiltrate the citadel and activate it's mass relay, why the hell did they never choose to bypass that system in the first place the instant the Keepers proved unreliable.

The ONLY reasonable assumption is, they could not. They were unable to reach there in any timely manner.


As a side note, in regards to your energy statement. Even in a state of inactivity, all atoms discharge due to their half life. Eventually the reaper energy cells, unless they invented Perpetual Energy(which is redundant, since why would they hibernate if they had it) they will eventually run out of power. Which means time is a factor to their need to recharge and finding an effecient manner to access the galaxy is also necessary.

[Exakil]

sorry for my time error there! hadnt realised Samara was almost 1000.



Who is to say that they were merely floating out there and not at some sort of facility to recharge said power?

[Scy Lancer]

turelhimvampire wrote...

Scy Lancer wrote...

Crap I forgot! Don't kill Mordin. He's funny and gives you sex advice. No one else on the ship does that. LIke Hell I'd take sex advice from Joker.

The only time anyone should take Sex advice from Joker is if they are trying to get it on with a Geth.




...



That is a joke. 

Shepard:....Tali?.....Tali?....Tali! What are you doing with Legion!
Legion: We got a new attachment.
Tali: AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!

....To far?

[AddoExAtrum]

Lareit wrote...


If the repear fleet was aware of all the necessary facts present from ME1 and it's past regarding Soverigns attempts to infiltrate the citadel and activate it's mass relay, why the hell did they never choose to bypass that system in the first place the instant the Keepers proved unreliable.

The ONLY reasonable assumption is, they could not. They were unable to reach there in any timely manner.


As a side note, in regards to your energy statement. Even in a state of inactivity, all atoms discharge due to their half life. Eventually the reaper energy cells, unless they invented Perpetual Energy(which is redundant, since why would they hibernate if they had it) they will eventually run out of power. Which means time is a factor to their need to recharge and finding an effecient manner to access the galaxy is also necessary.

Say your right and they knew what was going on. Say they were in constant communication and knew they could not use the Citadel to leap their entire fleet in at once. Why wait 2000 years from the point where the Rachini failed to use Saren and the geth?

Because they knew the organics were not developed enough to pose a real threat to them yet perhaps?

They had the extra 2000 years to spare?

It took them 2000 years to get here?

Why bother with saren and the geth at all if a thousand years or 2000 years had passed since the initial failure with the rachini?

The citadel is a unique relay attuned to the Reapers themselves is the only logical answer I would think. They activate it and the Reapers all zip right in regardless of where they were at the time. So why waste the energy to fly all the way from out here to the citadel when I can just wait here letting half lives go by while Nazara as Sovereign's name truly is goes hunting for the solution?

Maybe the flight to the galaxy used up 2000 years worth of waiting in energy. maybe not. Maybe they dont actually wipe out civilization because of a need for power have you considered that one? Why did they drop so many hints about dark energy disrupting multiple stars in ME2?

You dont have the answers and neither do I. The entire argument is a pointless opinion and nothing more. You cant back up your statements anymore than I can because we are both speculating on our view of data from ME1 and ME2.

Modifié par AddoExAtrum, 19 février 2010 - 09:31 .

[turelhimvampire]

Scy Lancer wrote...
Shepard:....Tali?.....Tali?....Tali! What are you doing with Legion!
Legion: We got a new attachment.
Tali: AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!

....To far?

What is it with you people and Geth porn! ENOUGH!

Oh dear god it bares not thinking about!

[Lareit]

AddoExAtrum wrote...

Lareit wrote...


If the repear fleet was aware of all the necessary facts present from ME1 and it's past regarding Soverigns attempts to infiltrate the citadel and activate it's mass relay, why the hell did they never choose to bypass that system in the first place the instant the Keepers proved unreliable.

The ONLY reasonable assumption is, they could not. They were unable to reach there in any timely manner.


As a side note, in regards to your energy statement. Even in a state of inactivity, all atoms discharge due to their half life. Eventually the reaper energy cells, unless they invented Perpetual Energy(which is redundant, since why would they hibernate if they had it) they will eventually run out of power. Which means time is a factor to their need to recharge and finding an effecient manner to access the galaxy is also necessary.

Say your right and they knew what was going on. Say they were in constant communication and knew they could not use the Citadel to leap their entire fleet in at once. Why wait 2000 years from the point where the Rachini failed to use Saren and the geth?

Because they knew the organics were not developed enough to pose a real threat to them yet perhaps?

They had the extra 2000 years to spare?

It took them 2000 years to get here?

Why bother with saren and the geth at all if a thousand years or 2000 years had passed since the initial failure with the rachini?

The citadel is a unique relay attuned to the Reapers themselves is the only logical answer I would think. They activate it and the Reapers all zip right in regardless of where they were at the time. So why waste the energy to fly all the way from out here to the citadel when I can just wait here letting half lives go by while Nazara as Sovereign's name truly is goes hunting for the solution?

Maybe the flight to the galaxy used up 2000 years worth of waiting in energy. maybe not. Maybe they dont actually wipe out civilization because of a need for power have you considered that one? Why did they drop so many hints about dark energy disrupting multiple stars in ME2?

You dont have the answers and neither do I. The entire argument is a pointless opinion and nothing more. You cant back up your statements anymore than I can because we are both speculating on our view of data from ME1 and ME2.

The only difference between my argument's spectulation and yours is yours completely negates all the events of ME1.

Which makes yours default as invalid out the gate.

Mine follows the progression of both ME1 and ME2(in me2 the reason they were making the repear was to restart the activation process of the citadel)

[AddoExAtrum]

turelhimvampire wrote...

Scy Lancer wrote...
Shepard:....Tali?.....Tali?....Tali! What are you doing with Legion!
Legion: We got a new attachment.
Tali: AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!

....To far?

What is it with you people and Geth porn! ENOUGH!

Oh dear god it bares not thinking about!

whats the big deal? Women have vibrators today... I dont see the difference in Virtual Reality sex programs and geth love or geth love and a vibrator that walks on its own.

[Exakil]

im going to regret asking this question... but why does his version totally negate the events of Mass effect 1, please, explain in detail.

[Scy Lancer]

AddoExAtrum wrote...

turelhimvampire wrote...

Scy Lancer wrote...
Shepard:....Tali?.....Tali?....Tali! What are you doing with Legion!
Legion: We got a new attachment.
Tali: AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!

....To far?

What is it with you people and Geth porn! ENOUGH!

Oh dear god it bares not thinking about!

whats the big deal? Women have vibrators today... I dont see the difference in Virtual Reality sex programs and geth love or geth love and a vibrator that walks on its own.

Oh it was a f*cking joke. Come on. ha ha ha? I bet you guys would have laughed if it was Miranda.... granted I think she would be nicer if she got laid.... but thats a bit off topic.

[AddoExAtrum]

Lareit wrote...



The only difference between my argument's spectulation and yours is yours completely negates all the events of ME1.

Which makes yours default as invalid out the gate.

Mine follows the progression of both ME1 and ME2(in me2 the reason they were making the repear was to restart the activation process of the citadel)

Your own statement there makes no sense. Why wait even longer building a new reaper covertly out of a species that they dont have enough of in the Terminus systems to complete said reaper if they are running out of power to begin with?

And actually my speculation followed ME1 and ME2 just fine.
Nazara uses Rachini to find out why citadel signal fails
Nazara fails and sleeps waiting for another oppurtunity
Saren stumbles on Nazara, wakes Nazara, gets Indoctrinated or even Geth wake Nazara, capture Saren and use Saren to find out what the Organics know about why the signal to the citadel failed
Nazara believes organics are no real threat, uses saren to activate conduit putting an agent inside citadel, closes citadel while expendable pawns distract organics and begins trying to fix what the protheans did
Nazara becomes distracted, fails and is destroyed when you kill Saren.
Harbinger who was playing with his toys loses contact with Nazara and goes into action as the failsafe.
Harbinger starts building the Human reaper because while that act might take say 5 years flight directly to the system would take however long you wish to state
Harbinger fails so now they start just flying in? And you think the flight in will take 2-5 years which is the same as building the reaper in the first place?

Your own argument falls apart there if the Reapers dont have a way to get to the system sooner. Why make ME2 at all if the timeline is the same as flying in directly. It is a waste of resources and the Reapers aren't very wasteful.

Modifié par AddoExAtrum, 19 février 2010 - 09:41 .

[Archonsg]

Scy Lancer wrote...

AddoExAtrum wrote...

turelhimvampire wrote...

Scy Lancer wrote...
Shepard:....Tali?.....Tali?....Tali! What are you doing with Legion!
Legion: We got a new attachment.
Tali: AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!

....To far?

What is it with you people and Geth porn! ENOUGH!

Oh dear god it bares not thinking about!

whats the big deal? Women have vibrators today... I dont see the difference in Virtual Reality sex programs and geth love or geth love and a vibrator that walks on its own.

Oh it was a f*cking joke. Come on. ha ha ha? I bet you guys would have laughed if it was Miranda.... granted I think she would be nicer if she got laid.... but thats a bit off topic.

Guys its Tali we are talking about.
Tali + *any* inorganic is never going to happen.

[AddoExAtrum]

Exakil wrote...

im going to regret asking this question... but why does his version totally negate the events of Mass effect 1, please, explain in detail.

If you start with a ME2 base character, no ME1 import what changes?

Council is dead
Wrex is dead
Udjina is councilor
You are not a Spectre
Rachini are dead

Basically everything that could have gone wrong in ME1 has gone wrong, presumably because you were not there or because you were just a very bad person. None of the characters that could appear do. No Fist, No Helena Blake, No commentary about missions you could have performed in ME1. Its just a whitewash like you didn't exist or sucked so badly you failed at everything except killing Sovereign/Nazara

[Exakil]

No, i got that, i was referring to other person, sorry Addo, I get your side.

[Scy Lancer]

Archonsg wrote...

Scy Lancer wrote...

AddoExAtrum wrote...

turelhimvampire wrote...

Scy Lancer wrote...
Shepard:....Tali?.....Tali?....Tali! What are you doing with Legion!
Legion: We got a new attachment.
Tali: AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!

....To far?

What is it with you people and Geth porn! ENOUGH!

Oh dear god it bares not thinking about!

whats the big deal? Women have vibrators today... I dont see the difference in Virtual Reality sex programs and geth love or geth love and a vibrator that walks on its own.

Oh it was a f*cking joke. Come on. ha ha ha? I bet you guys would have laughed if it was Miranda.... granted I think she would be nicer if she got laid.... but thats a bit off topic.

Guys its Tali we are talking about.
Tali + *any* inorganic is never going to happen.

That's what makes it funny... to me anyway. It would be like Miranda + Jack or Joker + Jack.... poor Joker would die.

[Lareit]

AddoExAtrum wrote...

Lareit wrote...



The only difference between my argument's spectulation and yours is yours completely negates all the events of ME1.

Which makes yours default as invalid out the gate.

Mine follows the progression of both ME1 and ME2(in me2 the reason they were making the repear was to restart the activation process of the citadel)

Your own statement there makes no sense. Why wait even longer building a new reaper covertly out of a species that they dont have enough of in the Terminus systems to complete said reaper if they are running out of power to begin with?

And actually my speculation followed ME1 and ME2 just fine.
Nazara uses Rachini to find out why citadel signal fails
Nazara fails and sleeps waiting for another oppurtunity
Saren stumbles on Nazara, wakes Nazara, gets Indoctrinated or even Geth wake Nazara, capture Saren and use Saren to find out what the Organics know about why the signal to the citadel failed
Nazara believes organics are no real threat, uses saren to activate conduit putting an agent inside citadel, closes citadel while expendable pawns distract organics and begins trying to fix what the protheans did
Nazara becomes distracted, fails and is destroyed when you kill Saren.
Harbinger who was playing with his toys loses contact with Nazara and goes into action as the failsafe.
Harbinger starts building the Human reaper because while that act might take say 5 years flight directly to the system would take however long you wish to state
Harbinger fails so now they start just flying in? And you think the flight in will take 2-5 years which is the same as building the reaper in the first place?

Your own argument falls apart there if the Reapers dont have a way to get to the system sooner. Why make ME2 at all if the timeline is the same as flying in directly. It is a waste of resources and the Reapers aren't very wasteful.

What? My argument is that they are thousand if no more years away by conventional means. My argument is that they simply are unable to reach the galaxy in any normal time estimation without the citadel. THAT IS MY ARGUMENT.

That is what you disputed.

As for soverign, he sought out the geth, they didn't wake him. Saren sought him out too. Likely after the Rachni failed soverign spent time listening and waiting for the right opportunity to strike, which presented itself by means of the Geth and Saren.

Again, if Harbinger was capable of helping, he would have.


My point that spending 10 years building another repear is MUCH faster then flying in from outside the galaxy.

My argument has been against your earlier claim they didn't need the citadel.