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[Exakil]

how do you know that they are thousands of years out?

[AddoExAtrum]

Lareit wrote...

What? My argument is that they are thousand if no more years away by conventional means. My argument is that they simply are unable to reach the galaxy in any normal time estimation without the citadel. THAT IS MY ARGUMENT.

That is what you disputed.

As for soverign, he sought out the geth, they didn't wake him. Saren sought him out too. Likely after the Rachni failed soverign spent time listening and waiting for the right opportunity to strike, which presented itself by means of the Geth and Saren.

Again, if Harbinger was capable of helping, he would have.


My point that spending 10 years building another repear is MUCH faster then flying in from outside the galaxy.

My argument has been against your earlier claim they didn't need the citadel.

K you just killed yourself for the start of ME3. If they are thousands of years away and cant get here in time when they appear at the end of ME2 then Shep wont be alive to fight em in ME3 anyway.

IF they are only 2-5 years like suggested why waste time building the reaper? Its the same time frame to get their tails here.

Your own argument has just fallen apart around your ears

[Scy Lancer]

Crap. Ok I need to fix Chapter 5 in my FF. I didn't remember that they already had a captain of the Ryya in already made. So I'll go back and fix that.

[turelhimvampire]

Scy Lancer wrote...

AddoExAtrum wrote...

turelhimvampire wrote...

Scy Lancer wrote...
Shepard:....Tali?.....Tali?....Tali! What are you doing with Legion!
Legion: We got a new attachment.
Tali: AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!

....To far?

What is it with you people and Geth porn! ENOUGH!

Oh dear god it bares not thinking about!

whats the big deal? Women have vibrators today... I dont see the difference in Virtual Reality sex programs and geth love or geth love and a vibrator that walks on its own.

Oh it was a f*cking joke. Come on. ha ha ha? I bet you guys would have laughed if it was Miranda.... granted I think she would be nicer if she got laid.... but thats a bit off topic.

If you couldn't tell I wasn't being serious then I guess you've never really paid much attention to my posts before. :innocent:

Which is understandable, considering the amount of pages here and that I'm a relative nobody here. 

[AddoExAtrum]

Scy Lancer wrote...

Crap. Ok I need to fix Chapter 5 in my FF. I didn't remember that they already had a captain of the Ryya in already made. So I'll go back and fix that.

you could just say the other captain died... or was replaced /shrug its your ff and your god in your own ff

[The_KFD_Case]

AddoExAtrum wrote...

Lareit wrote...



The only difference between my argument's spectulation and yours is yours completely negates all the events of ME1.

Which makes yours default as invalid out the gate.

Mine follows the progression of both ME1 and ME2(in me2 the reason they were making the repear was to restart the activation process of the citadel)

Your own statement there makes no sense. Why wait even longer building a new reaper covertly out of a species that they dont have enough of in the Terminus systems to complete said reaper if they are running out of power to begin with?

And actually my speculation followed ME1 and ME2 just fine.
Nazara uses Rachini to find out why citadel signal fails
Nazara fails and sleeps waiting for another oppurtunity
Saren stumbles on Nazara, wakes Nazara, gets Indoctrinated or even Geth wake Nazara, capture Saren and use Saren to find out what the Organics know about why the signal to the citadel failed
Nazara believes organics are no real threat, uses saren to activate conduit putting an agent inside citadel, closes citadel while expendable pawns distract organics and begins trying to fix what the protheans did
Nazara becomes distracted, fails and is destroyed when you kill Saren.
Harbinger who was playing with his toys loses contact with Nazara and goes into action as the failsafe.
Harbinger starts building the Human reaper because while that act might take say 5 years flight directly to the system would take however long you wish to state
Harbinger fails so now they start just flying in? And you think the flight in will take 2-5 years which is the same as building the reaper in the first place?

Your own argument falls apart there if the Reapers dont have a way to get to the system sooner. Why make ME2 at all if the timeline is the same as flying in directly. It is a waste of resources and the Reapers aren't very wasteful.

As you stated previously Addo, no one here knows for sure either way. A number of intriguing possibilities and home-cooked theories though. Another potential reason as to why the Reapers are flying in from dark space and apparently not using a relay might be to ensure that an advanced sapient species doesn't discover them by accident while they are hibernating, which could potentially leave them vulnerable. I have no idea just how far out in dark space the main Reaper fleet is nor how long it will take them to reach the galactic proper, but I doubt very much that the Reapers do not have sufficient energy levels to travel the distance. The Reapers have proven that they are not all knowing nor invincible, yet it seems exceedingly unlikely that they wouldn't have the forethought to calculate the amount of physical resources they would need to travel back and forth between dark space and the galactic proper.

I don't see where this Lareit gets off proclaiming that his/her argument is the only valid one and that yours renders everything from ME1, etc. invalid. Seems self-congratulatory to me and I'm far from convinced by his/her supposition.

Modifié par The_KFD_Case, 19 février 2010 - 10:16 .

[Scy Lancer]

turelhimvampire wrote...

Scy Lancer wrote...

AddoExAtrum wrote...

turelhimvampire wrote...

Scy Lancer wrote...
Shepard:....Tali?.....Tali?....Tali! What are you doing with Legion!
Legion: We got a new attachment.
Tali: AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!

....To far?

What is it with you people and Geth porn! ENOUGH!

Oh dear god it bares not thinking about!

whats the big deal? Women have vibrators today... I dont see the difference in Virtual Reality sex programs and geth love or geth love and a vibrator that walks on its own.

Oh it was a f*cking joke. Come on. ha ha ha? I bet you guys would have laughed if it was Miranda.... granted I think she would be nicer if she got laid.... but thats a bit off topic.

If you couldn't tell I wasn't being serious then I guess you've never really paid much attention to my posts before. :innocent:

Which is understandable, considering the amount of pages here and that I'm a relative nobody here. 

Oh sorry man. I've been distracted by all the heated conversation going on. I just figured you were giving me crap. No worries man.

[Exakil]

The_KFD_Case! Welcome back!



Thats the majority of what ive been trying to figure out right there, but i couldnt put it in words. So a big thank you is in order!

[Scy Lancer]

AddoExAtrum wrote...

Scy Lancer wrote...

Crap. Ok I need to fix Chapter 5 in my FF. I didn't remember that they already had a captain of the Ryya in already made. So I'll go back and fix that.

you could just say the other captain died... or was replaced /shrug its your ff and your god in your own ff

True.
That would just be easier to leave it that way and go from there. My
friend just called me about the continuity of the story. He's a movie
guy and stuff like that is a big pet peeve of his.

[Exakil]

erm, that was the big thank you by the way... im just gonna go back to lurking now

[AddoExAtrum]

The_KFD_Case wrote...

As you stated previously Addo, no one here knows for sure either way. A number of intriguing possibilities and home-cooked theories though. Another potential reason as to why the Reapers are flying in from dark space and apparently not using a relay might be to ensure that an advanced sapient species doesn't discover them by accident while they are hibernating, which could potentially leave them vulnerable. I have no idea just how far out in dark space the main Reaper fleet is nor how long it will take them to reach the galactic proper, but I doubt very much that the Reapers do not have sufficient energy levels to travel the distance. The Reapers have proven that they are not all knowing nor invincible, yet it seems exceedingly unlikely that they wouldn't have the forethought to calculate the amount of physical resources they would need to travel back and forth between dark space and the galactic proper.

I don't see where this Lareit gets off pro-claiming that his/her argument is the only valid one and that yours renders everything from ME1, etc. invalid. Seems self-congratulatory to me and I'm far from convinced by his/her supposition.

Simply put Lariet thinks he is an elitist and states he has been watching the forums for a while but never registered and now has so he is going to correct all of our mistakes. Problem is he is not a developer of mass effect 1 2 or 3 and therefore cannot back up any of his statements with anything but his own conjectures and that of previous forums from me1

Solution: Lariet keep your opinion on the matter in reserve until you can back it up and i will do the same?

Solution: Accept that you might be wrong and I will do the same?

Solution: Shut up and i will do the same?

Solution: Integrate the thought into your mind that other theories than yours may actually prove to be true!

[ipro_carltron]

Scy Lancer wrote...


Some people call it shameless promoting, but I'm proud on the work me and the rest of the guys at
Prometheus & Bob Production




Prometheus & Bob Production do to help the Tali thread. So on behalf of me and the rest of the guys....

Here is Chapter 5 in wedding bells.
Ch 5. A long dark secret

Also for those who haven't checked them out yet, or just like the story. Here is the the rest of the story so far.

Prologue
Ch 1. Old crew
Ch 2. F*cked up Flower Girl
Ch 3. Grunts Tux
Ch 4. Dress disaster

Please leave us comments so we get some feed back. We love to hear from you guys.

just finished reading them all keep em coming . I was a little worried about a shep+tali wedding fanfic but you handled it like a pro gj.

[Angelraid]

AddoExAtrum wrote...
*snip Why wait 2000 years from the point where the Rachini failed to use Saren and the geth?

Look at this here. This is the question. This is the point we are trying to make. If it only took a small amount of time to get here why wait 2000 years at all. Why even bother waiting for saren, Why bother with the collectors. Why not just come on in the back door. If they could do it all along why wiat. That is the crux of your arguement that defies logic.

Because they knew the organics were not developed enough to pose a real threat to them yet perhaps?

Then why wait till they could? That is just not smart.

They had the extra 2000 years to spare?

It took them 2000 years to get here?

Why bother with saren and the geth at all if a thousand years or 2000 years had passed since the initial failure with the rachini?

Exactly our points. Even if it took them 2000 years to get here. If there only a few years
out now, the question is still why risk attacknig the citidel. Why try
to use the collectors. Why not just wait for them all to get here. The only logical answer is they couldnt just get here, that they needed sarens help, or the collectors to build a new reaper after sovereign was destroyed.

The citadel is a unique relay attuned to the Reapers themselves is the only logical answer I would think. They activate it and the Reapers all zip right in regardless of where they were at the time. So why waste the energy to fly all the way from out here to the citadel when I can just wait here letting half lives go by while Nazara as Sovereign's name truly is goes hunting for the solution?

The answer is the same here. If it took them 2000 or more years to get here and they only had a few years left then they already spent most of the energy might as well go the rest of the way and not risk getting killed. And if they can make it in just a few anyway. Then why spend decades trying to set everything up and let the organics prepare for your arrival.

Maybe the flight to the galaxy used up 2000 years worth of waiting in energy. maybe not. Maybe they dont actually wipe out civilization because of a need for power have you considered that one? Why did they drop so many hints about dark energy disrupting multiple stars in ME2?

There was just 1 star. just FYI.

Also replying to something you said b4

*********SPOILER ALERT***************
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You do realize that Harbinger is a reaper who is not actually in the galaxy but is in fact out in dark space w/ the rest of the reapers. yes?

[setutur]

WOW thoguht things had slowed down when i got back to the old thread, then realised that theres no stopping the Tali love go thread 3.0 go!!!!

[Lareit]

AddoExAtrum wrote...

The_KFD_Case wrote...

As you stated previously Addo, no one here knows for sure either way. A number of intriguing possibilities and home-cooked theories though. Another potential reason as to why the Reapers are flying in from dark space and apparently not using a relay might be to ensure that an advanced sapient species doesn't discover them by accident while they are hibernating, which could potentially leave them vulnerable. I have no idea just how far out in dark space the main Reaper fleet is nor how long it will take them to reach the galactic proper, but I doubt very much that the Reapers do not have sufficient energy levels to travel the distance. The Reapers have proven that they are not all knowing nor invincible, yet it seems exceedingly unlikely that they wouldn't have the forethought to calculate the amount of physical resources they would need to travel back and forth between dark space and the galactic proper.

I don't see where this Lareit gets off pro-claiming that his/her argument is the only valid one and that yours renders everything from ME1, etc. invalid. Seems self-congratulatory to me and I'm far from convinced by his/her supposition.

Simply put Lariet thinks he is an elitist and states he has been watching the forums for a while but never registered and now has so he is going to correct all of our mistakes. Problem is he is not a developer of mass effect 1 2 or 3 and therefore cannot back up any of his statements with anything but his own conjectures and that of previous forums from me1

Solution: Lariet keep your opinion on the matter in reserve until you can back it up and i will do the same?

Solution: Accept that you might be wrong and I will do the same?

Solution: Shut up and i will do the same?

Solution: Integrate the thought into your mind that other theories than yours may actually prove to be true!

I always consider that my conjectures could be inaccurate. My entire argument has been to descredit your theory.
Nothing more, nothing less. Everything I've posted has been either fact, chronological accounting of the events in the ME universe or theory designed to discredit your supposition that the repears do not require the citadel to gain access to the galaxy.

[VampireCommando]

you guys sure do like Tali dont you XD

[Scy Lancer]

ipro_carltron wrote...

Scy Lancer wrote...


Some people call it shameless promoting, but I'm proud on the work me and the rest of the guys at
Prometheus & Bob Production




Prometheus & Bob Production do to help the Tali thread. So on behalf of me and the rest of the guys....

Here is Chapter 5 in wedding bells.
Ch 5. A long dark secret

Also for those who haven't checked them out yet, or just like the story. Here is the the rest of the story so far.

Prologue
Ch 1. Old crew
Ch 2. F*cked up Flower Girl
Ch 3. Grunts Tux
Ch 4. Dress disaster

Please leave us comments so we get some feed back. We love to hear from you guys.

just finished reading them all keep em coming . I was a little worried about a shep+tali wedding fanfic but you handled it like a pro gj.

I'll pass it on to the rest of the guys. Thanks for the support. We hope to get it done in 10 chapters with an epologue. Then it's on to... something else. Writing is all we do during winter.

[Yazman]

Oooh K-Fed is here! Welcome back.

[AddoExAtrum]

Geth Hunter Alpha wrote...

*********SPOILER ALERT***************
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You do realize that Harbinger is a reaper who is not actually in the galaxy but is in fact out in dark space w/ the rest of the reapers. yes?

Yes I realize this, which makes me reiterate why build a human reaper and when that fails just suddenly appear on the edges of the galaxy out of the blue for a supposed 2-5 year flight to get into the galaxy?

If they were so close to us at the end of ME2 why risk tipping their hand by using the collectors at all? Seems like they are giving away their intentions by provoking humanity.

If they are a thousand years out at the end of me2 as suggested why would bioware make a big deal out of the me2 to me3 import. shep cant live that long

If they were soooo far out as suggested earlier being the entire reason that they waited sooo long after the rachini failed why would Nazara/Sovereign tip his hand using the geth to turn on the citadel? Especially if just 2 years later they are going to appear on the edges of our galaxy at the end of ME2....

[Exakil]

Actually Lareit much of what i have read from you appears to be guesses without much of a base, or you extending something further than we know for sure, then using it to try and disprove his. The reality here is, we dont know what the reapers want for sure, we dont know how far away they are, and we dont know the way that they think. So we cant really do much can we, guesses are guesses, no one knows if they are wrong, until ME3 is released

[AddoExAtrum]

Lareit wrote...



I always consider that my conjectures could be inaccurate. My entire argument has been to descredit your theory.
Nothing more, nothing less. Everything I've posted has been either fact, chronological accounting of the events in the ME universe or theory designed to discredit your supposition that the repears do not require the citadel to gain access to the galaxy.

They obviously Do not need the citadel as they appear at the end of ME2 without using the citadel. They even state in ME1 that the citadel was left there for the sole purpose of directing how our culture develops so that they could simply come in and wipe out the seat of all government in a single motion that prevents the organics from mounting any kind of organized defense against them.

The citadel is a power play to knock us off balance for an easy mop up mission and nothing more. Noone said at any point that they HAD to have it. It is simply a fast way to strike us in a blind sidingly fashion as the ending of ME2 suggests. They obviously dont have to have it

[Angelraid]

The_KFD_Case wrote...

As you stated previously Addo, no one here knows for sure either way. A number of intriguing possibilities and home-cooked theories though. Another potential reason as to why the Reapers are flying in from dark space and apparently not using a relay might be to ensure that an advanced sapient species doesn't discover them by accident while they are hibernating, which could potentially leave them vulnerable. I have no idea just how far out in dark space the main Reaper fleet is nor how long it will take them to reach the galactic proper, but I doubt very much that the Reapers do not have sufficient energy levels to travel the distance. The Reapers have proven that they are not all knowing nor invincible, yet it seems exceedingly unlikely that they wouldn't have the forethought to calculate the amount of physical resources they would need to travel back and forth between dark space and the galactic proper.

I don't see where this Lareit gets off pro-claiming that his/her argument is the only valid one and that yours renders everything from ME1, etc. invalid. Seems self-congratulatory to me and I'm far from convinced by his/her supposition.

We know why they are in dark space. The discussion started becuase the statement was made about how long after ME2 will ME3 be set. Addo said immediately or w/ a few years and the reapers will arrive.

so 2 years in ME1-ME2. lets say 5 years (just for good measure) or less between ME2-ME3 for a grand total of 7 years for the reapers to fly in.

All were saying is if it only takes 7 years. why spend decades messing w/ the geth to try and activate the citidel why didnt sovereign just wait for the cavalry. Or even if they've been flying in for 2000 years since the rachni wars the same logic applies. If they only have 7 years left why not just wait for the cavalry.

Secrecy? youd have a much better chance at that if you just hid flying strait into the heart of the galactic civilization.
Why risk it if it just a few more years for the rest of the reapers to arrive anyway?

[Angelraid]

AddoExAtrum wrote...

Geth Hunter Alpha wrote...

*********SPOILER ALERT***************
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
You do realize that Harbinger is a reaper who is not actually in the galaxy but is in fact out in dark space w/ the rest of the reapers. yes?

Yes I realize this, which makes me reiterate why build a human reaper and when that fails just suddenly appear on the edges of the galaxy out of the blue for a supposed 2-5 year flight to get into the galaxy?

If they were so close to us at the end of ME2 why risk tipping their hand by using the collectors at all? Seems like they are giving away their intentions by provoking humanity.

If they are a thousand years out at the end of me2 as suggested why would bioware make a big deal out of the me2 to me3 import. shep cant live that long

If they were soooo far out as suggested earlier being the entire reason that they waited sooo long after the rachini failed why would Nazara/Sovereign tip his hand using the geth to turn on the citadel? Especially if just 2 years later they are going to appear on the edges of our galaxy at the end of ME2....

.....If they were so close to us at the end of ME2 why risk tipping their
hand by using the collectors at all? Seems like they are giving away
their intentions by provoking humanity.

um yeah exactly thats our point......

[Exakil]

Because the arrival of the reaper fleet makes it a war. using the Citadel beheads the organics before the fight even truly begins.

[ipro_carltron]

pretty sure if you can see the whole galaxy at once your still a hell of a long ways away... reapers are lazy buggers. If they can shave 5 years off their galactic voyage by building a human reaper to start up the citadel than they'd probably do it.



if they were smart they just wait like 80 years for shepard to die.. then go destroy the galaxy...for a super advanced AI they are pretty retarded...if he really is that much trouble just avoid it all together.