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[alickar]

Phil725 wrote...

Geth Hunter Alpha wrote...

Phil725 wrote...

Geth Hunter Alpha wrote...

_Devout_ wrote...

If it wasn't for The Illusive Man, Shepard would be splattered over a half-mile of terrian.

One good deed is not enough to redeem a man of a lifetime of wickedness

If that one good deed is good enough it is.  Saving the entire galaxy from being assimilated into sentient machines, overrides some unethical experiments that may or may not have directly involved him.

He didnt save the galaxy, shepard did. TIM just sat in his chair and smoked a joint.

So we're ignoring the part where he revived him and gave him the ship, crew and information necessary?

dude even if he revived me i wouldent jump off a cliff for him

[Urban Legend]

Almost at 800 pages! Maybe we'll beat v. 2...



Anyway, keep the Tali love coming!

[camoboy_19]

Phil725 wrote...

Geth Hunter Alpha wrote...

Phil725 wrote...

Geth Hunter Alpha wrote...

_Devout_ wrote...

If it wasn't for The Illusive Man, Shepard would be splattered over a half-mile of terrian.

One good deed is not enough to redeem a man of a lifetime of wickedness

If that one good deed is good enough it is.  Saving the entire galaxy from being assimilated into sentient machines, overrides some unethical experiments that may or may not have directly involved him.

He didnt save the galaxy, shepard did. TIM just sat in his chair and smoked a joint.

So we're ignoring the part where he revived him and gave him the ship, crew and information necessary?

 Yes, because in the end, TIM is a manipulator. He wants to manipulate you. He didn't revive you for humanity, He revived you for his own goals for humanity, no matter who supported him or was against him. If I stand up and shoot him in the face then it was his fault for bringing Shepard back from the dead

[Angelraid]

Phil725 wrote...

Geth Hunter Alpha wrote...

Phil725 wrote...

Geth Hunter Alpha wrote...

_Devout_ wrote...

If it wasn't for The Illusive Man, Shepard would be splattered over a half-mile of terrian.

One good deed is not enough to redeem a man of a lifetime of wickedness

If that one good deed is good enough it is.  Saving the entire galaxy from being assimilated into sentient machines, overrides some unethical experiments that may or may not have directly involved him.

He didnt save the galaxy, shepard did. TIM just sat in his chair and smoked a joint.

So we're ignoring the part where he revived him and gave him the ship, crew and information necessary?

yeah that was his good deed. he saved 1 man but he wasnt the one who saved the galaxy.  So imho it not enough to redeem all the horrible things hes been party too. experimenting on children, unleashing tresher maws on marines, sending colonies husks and many other things.

[The_KFD_Case]

camoboy_19 wrote...

So does the TIM = Hitler side win?

I don't think so. TIM does not appear anywhere near as disconnected from reality as Hitler. Furthermore, I am not convinced TIM actually hates aliens; he will use them if they are useful and if not they can either stand in his way and be crushed or step aside and not hear more from him. His focus is squarely on humanity's fortunes, though it wouldn't surprise me if he envisions a position of power and influence behind the scenes for himself should humanity come to dominate, similar to the his current role as TIM.

[camoboy_19]

The_KFD_Case wrote...

camoboy_19 wrote...

So does the TIM = Hitler side win?

I don't think so. TIM does not appear anywhere near as disconnected from reality as Hitler. Furthermore, I am not convinced TIM actually hates aliens; he will use them if they are useful and if not they can either stand in his way and be crushed or step aside and not hear more from him. His focus is squarely on humanity's fortunes, though it wouldn't surprise me if he envisions a position of power and influence behind the scenes for himself should humanity come to dominate, similar to the his current role as TIM.

He does want humanity to be superior above all else so at the very least he's a human supremicist.

[The_KFD_Case]

camoboy_19 wrote...

Yes, because in the end, TIM is a manipulator. He wants to manipulate you. He didn't revive you for humanity, He revived you for his own goals for humanity, no matter who supported him or was against him. If I stand up and shoot him in the face then it was his fault for bringing Shepard back from the dead

Sounds like a scapegoat....Like the scapegoat that Hitler used to blame Jews for the ills of Germany.

Modifié par The_KFD_Case, 27 février 2010 - 03:31 .

[SpatFieya]

This thread grows so fast... *tear*

[NuclearBuddha]

Somebody1003 wrote...
Thats why 40k is great:D
In all seriousness I like TIM but I wouldnt actually want to rule over other species. Id want to be equal with them all and live peacefully with them.

My sword is Hatred.
My armor is Contempt.
In the name of the Emperor, let none survive.

I'm not opposed to TIM's plan to make humanity strong.  But I am opposed to his methods.  Cerberus could be a worthwhile organization, with the right guidance.  TIM's got a point:  the Council has the Spectres, the salarians have the STG, the asari have their commandos, humanity needs a "dirty deeds" team, too.

[vykvyper1]

TIM caused many MANY human deaths on Akuze. and that incident isn't the only one. Seems "testing" how thresher maws kill humans is one of his favorite hobbies...

even if he did offer a deal to Shepard benefitting Tali, it would probably be a thinly veiled Faustian bargain.

Modifié par vykvyper1, 27 février 2010 - 03:33 .

[Angelraid]

camoboy_19 wrote...

The_KFD_Case wrote...

camoboy_19 wrote...

So does the TIM = Hitler side win?

I don't think so. TIM does not appear anywhere near as disconnected from reality as Hitler. Furthermore, I am not convinced TIM actually hates aliens; he will use them if they are useful and if not they can either stand in his way and be crushed or step aside and not hear more from him. His focus is squarely on humanity's fortunes, though it wouldn't surprise me if he envisions a position of power and influence behind the scenes for himself should humanity come to dominate, similar to the his current role as TIM.

He does want humanity to be superior above all else so at the very least he's a human supremicist.

Thats liek the space KKK

[herbie dog]

Can we stop talking about Hitler and the jews pls.

[Urban Legend]

This is my attempt to bring the conversation back to Tali:



Btw, Herbie Dog has a lot of good pictures in his photo album.

[camoboy_19]

I think i should probably help reason why some of us are bashing TIM: *ahem* Tali = Quarian, Quarian does not = Human; TIM = Human Supremicist = Anti-cooperative with Aliens. So, TIM is against Tali!!!

[alickar]

Tim is dead

[NuclearBuddha]

The_KFD_Case wrote...

camoboy_19 wrote...

So does the TIM = Hitler side win?

I don't think so. TIM does not appear anywhere near as disconnected from reality as Hitler. Furthermore, I am not convinced TIM actually hates aliens; he will use them if they are useful and if not they can either stand in his way and be crushed or step aside and not hear more from him. His focus is squarely on humanity's fortunes, though it wouldn't surprise me if he envisions a position of power and influence behind the scenes for himself should humanity come to dominate, similar to the his current role as TIM.

But is there any proof he's personally power-mad?  That's the part I'm not seeing.  I think he'd be content to stay right where he is in the shadows even as humanity rises to the top of the heap.

[The_KFD_Case]

camoboy_19 wrote...

He does want humanity to be superior above all else so at the very least he's a human supremicist.

It is conceivable that one wants to see a certain faction successful without actively wishing to see other factions damaged or destroyed.

TIM is nothing if not pragmatic, putting personal feelings aside in favour of the big picture.

[The_KFD_Case]

camoboy_19 wrote...

He does want humanity to be superior above all else so at the very least he's a human supremicist.

It is conceivable that one wants to see a certain faction successful without actively wishing to see other factions damaged or destroyed.

TIM is nothing if not pragmatic, putting personal feelings aside in favour of the big picture.

TIM wants to see humanity seize its rising star. I agree with that sentiment. Whether TIM is also a rabid human supremacist is another matter. He might be.

Modifié par The_KFD_Case, 27 février 2010 - 03:34 .

[herbie dog]

Urban Legend wrote...


This is my attempt to bring the conversation back to Tali:



Btw, Herbie Dog has a lot of good pictures in his photo album.

Thanks mate

[Dark Echelon]

Crap… other endeavors are currently calling my name, so I must be heading out.

When I started this evening it was a image that I personally had never seen on this thread before, so I figure it would be appropriate to end it the same way.



Keelah Se'lai everyone.

[DarkwanderStorm]

must growing up to be a monster

[alickar]

herbie dog wrote...

Urban Legend wrote...


This is my attempt to bring the conversation back to Tali:



Btw, Herbie Dog has a lot of good pictures in his photo album.

Thanks mate

me=tali bang

[Angelraid]

Urban Legend wrote...


This is my attempt to bring the conversation back to Tali:



Btw, Herbie Dog has a lot of good pictures in his photo album.

mmmmmm yummy :innocent: