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[wolfstanus]

herbie dog wrote...

Can we stop talking about Hitler and the jews pls.

Modifié par wolfstanus, 27 février 2010 - 03:36 .

[The_KFD_Case]

NuclearBuddha wrote...

I'm not opposed to TIM's plan to make humanity strong.  But I am opposed to his methods.  Cerberus could be a worthwhile organization, with the right guidance.  TIM's got a point:  the Council has the Spectres, the salarians have the STG, the asari have their commandos, humanity needs a "dirty deeds" team, too.

Agreed.

[herbie dog]

Dark Echelon wrote...


Crap… other endeavors are currently calling my name, so I must be heading out.

When I started this evening it was a image that I personally had never seen on this thread before, so I figure it would be appropriate to end it the same way.



Keelah Se'lai everyone.

Keelah Se'lai

[The_KFD_Case]

Dark Echelon wrote...


Crap… other endeavors are currently calling my name, so I must be heading out.

When I started this evening it was a image that I personally had never seen on this thread before, so I figure it would be appropriate to end it the same way.



Keelah Se'lai everyone.

There are really only two things to say to that pic:

1) Badass!

&

2) Awesome sauce!

Modifié par The_KFD_Case, 27 février 2010 - 03:36 .

[Bloodhuman1]

Geth Hunter Alpha wrote...

Urban Legend wrote...


This is my attempt to bring the conversation back to Tali:



Btw, Herbie Dog has a lot of good pictures in his photo album.

mmmmmm yummy :innocent:

Don't get funny ideas.

[herbie dog]

PAGE 800!!

[Alanosborn1991]

Dark Echelon wrote...


Crap… other endeavors are currently calling my name, so I must be heading out.

When I started this evening it was a image that I personally had never seen on this thread before, so I figure it would be appropriate to end it the same way.



Keelah Se'lai everyone.

Haha nice when I first beat ME1 I did it with Kaiden and Tali

Now it seems in ME2 Tali was the only one who really cares about me and knows me for who I really am.

Unlike Kaiden whos so focused on Cerberus

[NuclearBuddha]

Somebody1003 wrote...

NuclearBuddha wrote...

Somebody1003 wrote...
Thats why 40k is great:D
In all seriousness I like TIM but I wouldnt actually want to rule over other species. Id want to be equal with them all and live peacefully with them.

My sword is Hatred.
My armor is Contempt.
In the name of the Emperor, let none survive.

I'm not opposed to TIM's plan to make humanity strong.  But I am opposed to his methods.  Cerberus could be a worthwhile organization, with the right guidance.  TIM's got a point:  the Council has the Spectres, the salarians have the STG, the asari have their commandos, humanity needs a "dirty deeds" team, too.

Yeah but they have no regulations, and are a bit ruthless at times.

Agreed, but what about the other groups?  The whole point of the Spectres is that they obey no laws.  The STG's signature deed is having nearly wiped out another race with a biological weapon.  It's a rough galaxy out there.  I don't support what Cerberus did to Jack, or their work with the Thorian, husks, rachni, etc. but I would like to know that there are some hard-eyed people out there ready to step in if humanity faces existential threats.

[Angelraid]

800 woots

[Phil725]

Geth Hunter Alpha wrote...

Phil725 wrote...

Geth Hunter Alpha wrote...

Phil725 wrote...

Geth Hunter Alpha wrote...

_Devout_ wrote...

If it wasn't for The Illusive Man, Shepard would be splattered over a half-mile of terrian.

One good deed is not enough to redeem a man of a lifetime of wickedness

If that one good deed is good enough it is.  Saving the entire galaxy from being assimilated into sentient machines, overrides some unethical experiments that may or may not have directly involved him.

He didnt save the galaxy, shepard did. TIM just sat in his chair and smoked a joint.

So we're ignoring the part where he revived him and gave him the ship, crew and information necessary?

yeah that was his good deed. he saved 1 man but he wasnt the one who saved the galaxy.  So imho it not enough to redeem all the horrible things hes been party too. experimenting on children, unleashing tresher maws on marines, sending colonies husks and many other things.

We have differing opinions on that then.  First of all, the game makes it pretty clear that there is no evidence linking TIM personally to any of those things, the Teltin facility specifically even has its members say they went rogue. 

And even if he was responsible?  He has still saved many more lives than he has ended by reviving Shepard.  People look at the 5 marines killed by Thresher Maws in ME1, and that has a more profound effect on people than the hundreds of thousands of colonists who would be collector meat without him.  The reason is that the former is a more personal loss.  You see the wasted lives.  I'm not defending Cerberus' actions, but they have done way more good than people give them credit for.

As far as TIM, he doesn't hide what he wants.  He wants humanity to be the superior race in the galaxy.  He also knows that the reapers must be stopped for that to happen (he's also the only person with power in the game to acknowledge them,) until the reapers are defeated, you share a common goal, and TIM will be a better ally than anyone else.  Once the reapers are gone, and he has no use for you, then he becomes a problem.

[The_KFD_Case]

camoboy_19 wrote...

I think i should probably help reason why some of us are bashing TIM: *ahem* Tali = Quarian, Quarian does not = Human; TIM = Human Supremicist = Anti-cooperative with Aliens. So, TIM is against Tali!!!

Let me ask you this, do you have a family member or friend that you love, care or respect (or a combination thereof) whom you do not see eye-to-eye on everything with? If so, then doesn't that make both you and that person, or persons, enemies following your logic above?

[DrakeforBake]

wolfstanus wrote...

Play warhammer 40k thats all humans do in that mass genocide!

To be fair in 40k Humans get massacred daily by everyone and they're the ones winning the war! Mass genocide by friendly fire is a tap on the wrist compared to what some of the alien species do. Death is death, but imagining my belly bursting open and my intestines forming a daemonic beast to strangle myself is just so out there I'd prefer the orbital bombardment.

On that note, Turians are sissies when it comes to scorched earth. Humans put nukes in our expendable probes just to prevent aliens from scanning our tech.

We will not be taken lightly.

Edit: Woot 800

Modifié par DrakeforBake, 27 février 2010 - 03:41 .

[Jake71887]

YAY 800.. Taligon points for all!

 

[Bloodhuman1]

Let's party for getting 800!

[alickar]

hey does the mod woo like tali

[FsDxRAGE]

must post on page 800, came back at a perfect time from Microsoft Word

ALL FOR TALI

[tiberius_adamantine]

you know, in a kinda wierd way, I actually trusted TIM. He makes some tough decisions,
but isn't unethical per say. (remember the Jack loyalty mission) Since I don't know if he
was involved w/ the quarian incident I can't hold that against him. Cerberus' actions are
also up for debate, seeing as TIM is largely in charge but doesn't control everything.
However, he should have been more upfront with you. That said, I felt some dialog
options w/ him that were paragon were unusually negative. I can also see the logic in
wanting to save the collector station. But the whole dominance thing might be kinda
risky and saving the facility could lead to a number of problems.

[alickar]

Achievement unlocked :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

[Phil725]

NuclearBuddha wrote...

Somebody1003 wrote...

NuclearBuddha wrote...

Somebody1003 wrote...
Thats why 40k is great:D
In all seriousness I like TIM but I wouldnt actually want to rule over other species. Id want to be equal with them all and live peacefully with them.

My sword is Hatred.
My armor is Contempt.
In the name of the Emperor, let none survive.

I'm not opposed to TIM's plan to make humanity strong.  But I am opposed to his methods.  Cerberus could be a worthwhile organization, with the right guidance.  TIM's got a point:  the Council has the Spectres, the salarians have the STG, the asari have their commandos, humanity needs a "dirty deeds" team, too.

Yeah but they have no regulations, and are a bit ruthless at times.

Agreed, but what about the other groups?  The whole point of the Spectres is that they obey no laws.  The STG's signature deed is having nearly wiped out another race with a biological weapon.  It's a rough galaxy out there.  I don't support what Cerberus did to Jack, or their work with the Thorian, husks, rachni, etc. but I would like to know that there are some hard-eyed people out there ready to step in if humanity faces existential threats.

One other thing to keep in mind, the Mass Effect universe is incredibly desensitized towards death as a whole.  From the genophage, to the batarians attacking and enslaving children, to Cerberus.  It isn't the same as our little world.  It's important to keep in mind when looking at events in Mass Effect.

[cBselfmonkey]

Jake71887 wrote...

YAY 800.. Taligon points for all!

 

Huzzah!

[vykvyper1]

woo 800!

[Inquisitor Recon]

Right so did Tali have the same legion of fanboys in ME1? I think she is a good character too but 800 pages? Plus two previous threads on the subject?

[NuclearBuddha]

MarineBorn wrote...

Tim tried to blow up a ship filled with Quarian families, not soldiers but women and children. He has his own men killed just to get a point across. He had no honor and helps no one without thinking he will gain something.

Tim is a ruthless, tyrannical, bastard that lets nothing stop him in satisfying hi sown selfish intrests. People like him need to be stopped before they warp to many others into trusting them, when they never plain on returning the trust.

Anyone that could kill innocents without remorse is not human but some kind of ghoulish monster. Tim also put the life of a young girl in danger by druging her with biotic drugs and various things that almost killed her, and after all that he still hunts her trying to complete his damn mission. He has lost his own grip on what it means to be a civilized human and needs to be reminded, which if someone tried he would not listen due to a ego the size of Australia.

This is my opinion of TIM.

I really need to read Ascension.  It just sounds like a different picture of TIM than ME2.