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[NuclearBuddha]

Somebody1003 wrote...

Jakegnosis wrote...

DrakeforBake wrote...

NuclearBuddha wrote...

Phil725 wrote...

One other thing to keep in mind, the Mass Effect universe is incredibly desensitized towards death as a whole.  From the genophage, to the batarians attacking and enslaving children, to Cerberus.  It isn't the same as our little world.  It's important to keep in mind when looking at events in Mass Effect.

No kidding.  IRL, someone would've put in the boots on the batarians by now.  Those guys are just plain scum

It bothers me that the Batarians are known terrorists but they purposely withdrew from the council embassies by choice.

Quarians made rogue synthetics, fought and lost and then got booted from the embassies.

So a race that purposely goes out of it's way to mess with EVERYBODY gets a better treatment than the race that actually cooperated? I know AI is bad and all but exile?

Totally agree.  Way to kick a people in their hour of greatest need, Council.  Keep it classy.

I dont think they were really terrorists until humanity started to colonize a system they were already present on.
They asked the citadel for help and they refused. I think thats what set them off against humans.

Territorial disputes can be solved through diplomacy or a nice stand-up war.  The fact that the batarians went straight to terrorism and slave raids strikes me as kind of telling.

[tiberius_adamantine]

maybe we overthrow the council. Destroy the batarians, destroy the geth, destroy the turian councilor!
Establish a better future, one for the quarians and the other peacefull races.

[Alanosborn1991]

*Replaces Miranda with Tali*

[wolfstanus]

camoboy_19 wrote...

alickar wrote...

MarineBorn wrote...

tiberius_adamantine wrote...

MarineBorn wrote...

tiberius_adamantine wrote...

you know, in a kinda wierd way, I actually trusted TIM. He makes some tough decisions,
but isn't unethical per say. (remember the Jack loyalty mission) Since I don't know if he
was involved w/ the quarian incident I can't hold that against him. Cerberus' actions are
also up for debate, seeing as TIM is largely in charge but doesn't control everything.
However, he should have been more upfront with you. That said, I felt some dialog
options w/ him that were paragon were unusually negative. I can also see the logic in
wanting to save the collector station. But the whole dominance thing might be kinda
risky and saving the facility could lead to a number of problems.

He was involved with the Quarian incident, read Asension you will learn to hate that son of BlTCH.

oh...I ordered the book but haven't received it yet. What happened?

I won't ruin the story for you but trust me, he and his men are sick. Time and Time agian in that book they show there true lack of feeling. The ****ers even tortured a young Quarian for days to get codes into the migrant fleet.....the poor kid gave them the codes before they even started, they tortured him just for fun.

omg i wont throw a chair at him i will smash his little head and put him in a trash compactor

TIM is reminding me of Sarren a little now

They tortured the kid till he went insane... and they enjoyed every minute of the act.

Modifié par wolfstanus, 27 février 2010 - 03:54 .

[Phil725]

Geth Hunter Alpha wrote...

Phil725 wrote...

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We have differing opinions on that then.  First of all, the game makes it pretty clear that there is no evidence linking TIM personally to any of those things, the Teltin facility specifically even has its members say they went rogue. 

And even if he was responsible?  He has still saved many more lives than he has ended by reviving Shepard.  People look at the 5 marines killed by Thresher Maws in ME1, and that has a more profound effect on people than the hundreds of thousands of colonists who would be collector meat without him.  The reason is that the former is a more personal loss.  You see the wasted lives.  I'm not defending Cerberus' actions, but they have done way more good than people give them credit for.

As far as TIM, he doesn't hide what he wants.  He wants humanity to be the superior race in the galaxy.  He also knows that the reapers must be stopped for that to happen (he's also the only person with power in the game to acknowledge them,) until the reapers are defeated, you share a common goal, and TIM will be a better ally than anyone else.  Once the reapers are gone, and he has no use for you, then he becomes a problem.

They went rogue true (or at least thats how it looks), but if you ask Miranda about it she says that TIM ordered the facility shut down before Jack escaped. Which is a funny way of putting it cuase it makes him look innocent if you dont look at it closely. Miranda kinda sidesteps the question, Cuase whats not said is if he supported its conception initially. And considering that miranda hides it, I'd say that he did.

Secondly TIM does not get credit for the actions of sheppard. he gets credit for saving sheppard but not for what sheppard does afterward.

Also it wasnt just 5 marines on akuze. it was an entire colony that cerberus loosed the thresher maws on. And even if it was to save other colonies there are better ways to go about it.

And finally if you save the collector ship he all but states that he wants humans to dominate the galaxy not just to keep humanity safe.

How does TIM not get credit for saving the colonists in the Terminus systems?  He saw a problem, and stopped it the only way he could, by using an insane amount of resources to bring back the one guy who could.  Just because there's a period in the middle where TIM isn't directly involved, doesn't mean he wasn't responsible.  Without him, every one of those colonists is dead.  I don't see any way around that statement, which means he gets credit.

Are there better ways of accomplishing what TIM wants than turning colonies into husks?  Yeah, but it may take them 10 years to learn what a week could tell them.  TIM is just the ultimate renegade in that respect.  He will do whatever it takes.  Does this make him a bad person?  Maybe, but the whole "ends justifies the means" thing has to hold some water.

And as far as using the collector base to make humans dominate the galaxy, that's irrelevant to Shepard's concerns for ME3.  TIM knows about the reaper's threat.  He will use the collector base to help defeat them first, and Shepard knows that.  If we have to deal with TIM and his collector base after the reapers?  I'm not too concerned.

[Angelraid]

Alright off for the night for my. Stimulating discussions as usual esp the turian councilor pic.



Ill leave you with this



"Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you."

Friedrich Nietzsche



And of course Keelah Se'lai

[NuclearBuddha]

DrakeforBake wrote...

NuclearBuddha wrote...

The batarians still were a viable spacefaring nation.  The quarians were a few million refugees.  One is easier to pick on and make a scapegoat of.  Makes perfect sense, if you understand just how cynical the Council is.

And then the Council almost got gassed by the guys that flipped them the finger.

Scrapegoats and all but the Quarians would have been back on their feet by now if the Council had it's ass in gear 300 years ago. They could have been an active contributing member of the galactic community. Why boot them? Who does that please? The Geth?

I'm starting to think a new council is just a better and better idea as this series goes on. I better get a chance to nuke them again in ME3.<3

The council is nothing if not short-sighted.  What they did to the quarians makes perfect sense if you're just thinking about the present time.  Someone gets punished for unleashing an AI race, and then the issue is settled.  They get to congratulate themselves for upholding the laws without actually doing anything.  See how convenient that is?

If they gave two craps about the future, they would've done something about the geth right then.  But they didn't.  They swept the quarians under the rug and, stuck their fingers in their ear-analogues, and went, "lalalala, everythings fixed!"

[alickar]

Phil725 wrote...

Geth Hunter Alpha wrote...

Phil725 wrote...

Snip*


We have differing opinions on that then.  First of all, the game makes it pretty clear that there is no evidence linking TIM personally to any of those things, the Teltin facility specifically even has its members say they went rogue. 

And even if he was responsible?  He has still saved many more lives than he has ended by reviving Shepard.  People look at the 5 marines killed by Thresher Maws in ME1, and that has a more profound effect on people than the hundreds of thousands of colonists who would be collector meat without him.  The reason is that the former is a more personal loss.  You see the wasted lives.  I'm not defending Cerberus' actions, but they have done way more good than people give them credit for.

As far as TIM, he doesn't hide what he wants.  He wants humanity to be the superior race in the galaxy.  He also knows that the reapers must be stopped for that to happen (he's also the only person with power in the game to acknowledge them,) until the reapers are defeated, you share a common goal, and TIM will be a better ally than anyone else.  Once the reapers are gone, and he has no use for you, then he becomes a problem.

They went rogue true (or at least thats how it looks), but if you ask Miranda about it she says that TIM ordered the facility shut down before Jack escaped. Which is a funny way of putting it cuase it makes him look innocent if you dont look at it closely. Miranda kinda sidesteps the question, Cuase whats not said is if he supported its conception initially. And considering that miranda hides it, I'd say that he did.

Secondly TIM does not get credit for the actions of sheppard. he gets credit for saving sheppard but not for what sheppard does afterward.

Also it wasnt just 5 marines on akuze. it was an entire colony that cerberus loosed the thresher maws on. And even if it was to save other colonies there are better ways to go about it.

And finally if you save the collector ship he all but states that he wants humans to dominate the galaxy not just to keep humanity safe.

How does TIM not get credit for saving the colonists in the Terminus systems?  He saw a problem, and stopped it the only way he could, by using an insane amount of resources to bring back the one guy who could.  Just because there's a period in the middle where TIM isn't directly involved, doesn't mean he wasn't responsible.  Without him, every one of those colonists is dead.  I don't see any way around that statement, which means he gets credit.

Are there better ways of accomplishing what TIM wants than turning colonies into husks?  Yeah, but it may take them 10 years to learn what a week could tell them.  TIM is just the ultimate renegade in that respect.  He will do whatever it takes.  Does this make him a bad person?  Maybe, but the whole "ends justifies the means" thing has to hold some water.

And as far as using the collector base to make humans dominate the galaxy, that's irrelevant to Shepard's concerns for ME3.  TIM knows about the reaper's threat.  He will use the collector base to help defeat them first, and Shepard knows that.  If we have to deal with TIM and his collector base after the reapers?  I'm not too concerned.

like i said if he revived and he told u to kill 1 million people would u

[The_KFD_Case]

tiberius_adamantine wrote...

maybe we overthrow the council. Destroy the batarians, destroy the geth, destroy the turian councilor!
Establish a better future, one for the quarians and the other peacefull races.

Depending on whom started those wars, would we be one of those peaceful races?

[camoboy_19]

Phil725 wrote...

Geth Hunter Alpha wrote...

Phil725 wrote...

Snip*


We have differing opinions on that then.  First of all, the game makes it pretty clear that there is no evidence linking TIM personally to any of those things, the Teltin facility specifically even has its members say they went rogue. 

And even if he was responsible?  He has still saved many more lives than he has ended by reviving Shepard.  People look at the 5 marines killed by Thresher Maws in ME1, and that has a more profound effect on people than the hundreds of thousands of colonists who would be collector meat without him.  The reason is that the former is a more personal loss.  You see the wasted lives.  I'm not defending Cerberus' actions, but they have done way more good than people give them credit for.

As far as TIM, he doesn't hide what he wants.  He wants humanity to be the superior race in the galaxy.  He also knows that the reapers must be stopped for that to happen (he's also the only person with power in the game to acknowledge them,) until the reapers are defeated, you share a common goal, and TIM will be a better ally than anyone else.  Once the reapers are gone, and he has no use for you, then he becomes a problem.

They went rogue true (or at least thats how it looks), but if you ask Miranda about it she says that TIM ordered the facility shut down before Jack escaped. Which is a funny way of putting it cuase it makes him look innocent if you dont look at it closely. Miranda kinda sidesteps the question, Cuase whats not said is if he supported its conception initially. And considering that miranda hides it, I'd say that he did.

Secondly TIM does not get credit for the actions of sheppard. he gets credit for saving sheppard but not for what sheppard does afterward.

Also it wasnt just 5 marines on akuze. it was an entire colony that cerberus loosed the thresher maws on. And even if it was to save other colonies there are better ways to go about it.

And finally if you save the collector ship he all but states that he wants humans to dominate the galaxy not just to keep humanity safe.

How does TIM not get credit for saving the colonists in the Terminus systems?  He saw a problem, and stopped it the only way he could, by using an insane amount of resources to bring back the one guy who could.  Just because there's a period in the middle where TIM isn't directly involved, doesn't mean he wasn't responsible.  Without him, every one of those colonists is dead.  I don't see any way around that statement, which means he gets credit.

Are there better ways of accomplishing what TIM wants than turning colonies into husks?  Yeah, but it may take them 10 years to learn what a week could tell them.  TIM is just the ultimate renegade in that respect.  He will do whatever it takes.  Does this make him a bad person?  Maybe, but the whole "ends justifies the means" thing has to hold some water.

And as far as using the collector base to make humans dominate the galaxy, that's irrelevant to Shepard's concerns for ME3.  TIM knows about the reaper's threat.  He will use the collector base to help defeat them first, and Shepard knows that.  If we have to deal with TIM and his collector base after the reapers?  I'm not too concerned.

I can see what you are trying to say but the evil of his actions, and his intentions, can never be justified. He ressurected Shepard because he wanted to use Shepard for humanity's, and more so his, advance. If you learned of how Anderson got kicked out of Spectres (Sarren killed 500 innocents with pollution just to get one guy wanted by the Council) You can see where the ideology of my statement comes from. Theres a time to be harsh, even a renegade, but people like TIM and Sarren don't realize that should be the last resort

[King Gigglez]

Geth Hunter Alpha wrote...

Alright off for the night for my. Stimulating discussions as usual esp the turian councilor pic.

Ill leave you with this

"Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you."
Friedrich Nietzsche

And of course Keelah Se'lai

Kick ass quote dude, i almost never post but i love reading here. Im also going to go to bed...

Keelah Se'lai

[Phil725]

alickar wrote...

Phil725 wrote...

Geth Hunter Alpha wrote...

Phil725 wrote...

Snip*


We have differing opinions on that then.  First of all, the game makes it pretty clear that there is no evidence linking TIM personally to any of those things, the Teltin facility specifically even has its members say they went rogue. 

And even if he was responsible?  He has still saved many more lives than he has ended by reviving Shepard.  People look at the 5 marines killed by Thresher Maws in ME1, and that has a more profound effect on people than the hundreds of thousands of colonists who would be collector meat without him.  The reason is that the former is a more personal loss.  You see the wasted lives.  I'm not defending Cerberus' actions, but they have done way more good than people give them credit for.

As far as TIM, he doesn't hide what he wants.  He wants humanity to be the superior race in the galaxy.  He also knows that the reapers must be stopped for that to happen (he's also the only person with power in the game to acknowledge them,) until the reapers are defeated, you share a common goal, and TIM will be a better ally than anyone else.  Once the reapers are gone, and he has no use for you, then he becomes a problem.

They went rogue true (or at least thats how it looks), but if you ask Miranda about it she says that TIM ordered the facility shut down before Jack escaped. Which is a funny way of putting it cuase it makes him look innocent if you dont look at it closely. Miranda kinda sidesteps the question, Cuase whats not said is if he supported its conception initially. And considering that miranda hides it, I'd say that he did.

Secondly TIM does not get credit for the actions of sheppard. he gets credit for saving sheppard but not for what sheppard does afterward.

Also it wasnt just 5 marines on akuze. it was an entire colony that cerberus loosed the thresher maws on. And even if it was to save other colonies there are better ways to go about it.

And finally if you save the collector ship he all but states that he wants humans to dominate the galaxy not just to keep humanity safe.

How does TIM not get credit for saving the colonists in the Terminus systems?  He saw a problem, and stopped it the only way he could, by using an insane amount of resources to bring back the one guy who could.  Just because there's a period in the middle where TIM isn't directly involved, doesn't mean he wasn't responsible.  Without him, every one of those colonists is dead.  I don't see any way around that statement, which means he gets credit.

Are there better ways of accomplishing what TIM wants than turning colonies into husks?  Yeah, but it may take them 10 years to learn what a week could tell them.  TIM is just the ultimate renegade in that respect.  He will do whatever it takes.  Does this make him a bad person?  Maybe, but the whole "ends justifies the means" thing has to hold some water.

And as far as using the collector base to make humans dominate the galaxy, that's irrelevant to Shepard's concerns for ME3.  TIM knows about the reaper's threat.  He will use the collector base to help defeat them first, and Shepard knows that.  If we have to deal with TIM and his collector base after the reapers?  I'm not too concerned.

like i said if he revived and he told u to kill 1 million people would u

Of course not, but that's irrelevant to my whole point.  TIM wouldn't ask you.  He isn't a terrorist.  Everything he does has a bigger goal behind it.

If TIM revived me and told me to kill a million people to save a billion?  I'd like to think I'd be able to do it.

[alickar]

bye king

[Lord_Moose]

The_KFD_Case wrote...

tiberius_adamantine wrote...

maybe we overthrow the council. Destroy the batarians, destroy the geth, destroy the turian councilor!
Establish a better future, one for the quarians and the other peacefull races.

Depending on whom started those wars, would we be one of those peaceful races?

We would be the grand Targe of Peace!
Shielding all from the evils of the world, striking out wth our mighty defence.
Its Pointy!

[alickar]

Phil725 wrote...

alickar wrote...

Phil725 wrote...

Geth Hunter Alpha wrote...

Phil725 wrote...

Snip*


We have differing opinions on that then.  First of all, the game makes it pretty clear that there is no evidence linking TIM personally to any of those things, the Teltin facility specifically even has its members say they went rogue. 

And even if he was responsible?  He has still saved many more lives than he has ended by reviving Shepard.  People look at the 5 marines killed by Thresher Maws in ME1, and that has a more profound effect on people than the hundreds of thousands of colonists who would be collector meat without him.  The reason is that the former is a more personal loss.  You see the wasted lives.  I'm not defending Cerberus' actions, but they have done way more good than people give them credit for.

As far as TIM, he doesn't hide what he wants.  He wants humanity to be the superior race in the galaxy.  He also knows that the reapers must be stopped for that to happen (he's also the only person with power in the game to acknowledge them,) until the reapers are defeated, you share a common goal, and TIM will be a better ally than anyone else.  Once the reapers are gone, and he has no use for you, then he becomes a problem.

They went rogue true (or at least thats how it looks), but if you ask Miranda about it she says that TIM ordered the facility shut down before Jack escaped. Which is a funny way of putting it cuase it makes him look innocent if you dont look at it closely. Miranda kinda sidesteps the question, Cuase whats not said is if he supported its conception initially. And considering that miranda hides it, I'd say that he did.

Secondly TIM does not get credit for the actions of sheppard. he gets credit for saving sheppard but not for what sheppard does afterward.

Also it wasnt just 5 marines on akuze. it was an entire colony that cerberus loosed the thresher maws on. And even if it was to save other colonies there are better ways to go about it.

And finally if you save the collector ship he all but states that he wants humans to dominate the galaxy not just to keep humanity safe.

How does TIM not get credit for saving the colonists in the Terminus systems?  He saw a problem, and stopped it the only way he could, by using an insane amount of resources to bring back the one guy who could.  Just because there's a period in the middle where TIM isn't directly involved, doesn't mean he wasn't responsible.  Without him, every one of those colonists is dead.  I don't see any way around that statement, which means he gets credit.

Are there better ways of accomplishing what TIM wants than turning colonies into husks?  Yeah, but it may take them 10 years to learn what a week could tell them.  TIM is just the ultimate renegade in that respect.  He will do whatever it takes.  Does this make him a bad person?  Maybe, but the whole "ends justifies the means" thing has to hold some water.

And as far as using the collector base to make humans dominate the galaxy, that's irrelevant to Shepard's concerns for ME3.  TIM knows about the reaper's threat.  He will use the collector base to help defeat them first, and Shepard knows that.  If we have to deal with TIM and his collector base after the reapers?  I'm not too concerned.

like i said if he revived and he told u to kill 1 million people would u

Of course not, but that's irrelevant to my whole point.  TIM wouldn't ask you.  He isn't a terrorist.  Everything he does has a bigger goal behind it.

If TIM revived me and told me to kill a million people to save a billion?  I'd like to think I'd be able to do it.

even if they were innocents and they did nothing to u and no one else u r sick

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[NuclearBuddha]

Earlier someone had said they really liked what people are calling the "starcraft tali."  If whoever that was is still around, this is for them.

[Phil725]

alickar wrote...

Phil725 wrote...

alickar wrote...

Phil725 wrote...

Geth Hunter Alpha wrote...

Phil725 wrote...

Snip*


We have differing opinions on that then.  First of all, the game makes it pretty clear that there is no evidence linking TIM personally to any of those things, the Teltin facility specifically even has its members say they went rogue. 

And even if he was responsible?  He has still saved many more lives than he has ended by reviving Shepard.  People look at the 5 marines killed by Thresher Maws in ME1, and that has a more profound effect on people than the hundreds of thousands of colonists who would be collector meat without him.  The reason is that the former is a more personal loss.  You see the wasted lives.  I'm not defending Cerberus' actions, but they have done way more good than people give them credit for.

As far as TIM, he doesn't hide what he wants.  He wants humanity to be the superior race in the galaxy.  He also knows that the reapers must be stopped for that to happen (he's also the only person with power in the game to acknowledge them,) until the reapers are defeated, you share a common goal, and TIM will be a better ally than anyone else.  Once the reapers are gone, and he has no use for you, then he becomes a problem.

They went rogue true (or at least thats how it looks), but if you ask Miranda about it she says that TIM ordered the facility shut down before Jack escaped. Which is a funny way of putting it cuase it makes him look innocent if you dont look at it closely. Miranda kinda sidesteps the question, Cuase whats not said is if he supported its conception initially. And considering that miranda hides it, I'd say that he did.

Secondly TIM does not get credit for the actions of sheppard. he gets credit for saving sheppard but not for what sheppard does afterward.

Also it wasnt just 5 marines on akuze. it was an entire colony that cerberus loosed the thresher maws on. And even if it was to save other colonies there are better ways to go about it.

And finally if you save the collector ship he all but states that he wants humans to dominate the galaxy not just to keep humanity safe.

How does TIM not get credit for saving the colonists in the Terminus systems?  He saw a problem, and stopped it the only way he could, by using an insane amount of resources to bring back the one guy who could.  Just because there's a period in the middle where TIM isn't directly involved, doesn't mean he wasn't responsible.  Without him, every one of those colonists is dead.  I don't see any way around that statement, which means he gets credit.

Are there better ways of accomplishing what TIM wants than turning colonies into husks?  Yeah, but it may take them 10 years to learn what a week could tell them.  TIM is just the ultimate renegade in that respect.  He will do whatever it takes.  Does this make him a bad person?  Maybe, but the whole "ends justifies the means" thing has to hold some water.

And as far as using the collector base to make humans dominate the galaxy, that's irrelevant to Shepard's concerns for ME3.  TIM knows about the reaper's threat.  He will use the collector base to help defeat them first, and Shepard knows that.  If we have to deal with TIM and his collector base after the reapers?  I'm not too concerned.

like i said if he revived and he told u to kill 1 million people would u

Of course not, but that's irrelevant to my whole point.  TIM wouldn't ask you.  He isn't a terrorist.  Everything he does has a bigger goal behind it.

If TIM revived me and told me to kill a million people to save a billion?  I'd like to think I'd be able to do it.

even if they were innocents and they did nothing to u and no one else u r sick

I'll flip the question on you?  You would let a billion innocents die, just to keep your own conscience clear?

[tiberius_adamantine]

The_KFD_Case wrote...

tiberius_adamantine wrote...

maybe we overthrow the council. Destroy the batarians, destroy the geth, destroy the turian councilor!
Establish a better future, one for the quarians and the other peacefull races.

Depending on whom started those wars, would we be one of those peaceful races?

*thinks*......The batarians would have started the war with their constant acts of terrorism against the
human colonies. The geth would have started the war by allowing refuge to the "heretics" and thus
allowing them to attack and cause the deaths of many people. The council has repeatedly shown
themselves at being ineffective and risking the lives of so many, as shown with the geth situation
and as shown with the reapers. The salarians are a human ally but the turians and general asari
try to hinder the progress of both.

[camoboy_19]

Phil725 wrote...

alickar wrote...

Phil725 wrote...

Geth Hunter Alpha wrote...

Phil725 wrote...

Snip*


We have differing opinions on that then.  First of all, the game makes it pretty clear that there is no evidence linking TIM personally to any of those things, the Teltin facility specifically even has its members say they went rogue. 

And even if he was responsible?  He has still saved many more lives than he has ended by reviving Shepard.  People look at the 5 marines killed by Thresher Maws in ME1, and that has a more profound effect on people than the hundreds of thousands of colonists who would be collector meat without him.  The reason is that the former is a more personal loss.  You see the wasted lives.  I'm not defending Cerberus' actions, but they have done way more good than people give them credit for.

As far as TIM, he doesn't hide what he wants.  He wants humanity to be the superior race in the galaxy.  He also knows that the reapers must be stopped for that to happen (he's also the only person with power in the game to acknowledge them,) until the reapers are defeated, you share a common goal, and TIM will be a better ally than anyone else.  Once the reapers are gone, and he has no use for you, then he becomes a problem.

They went rogue true (or at least thats how it looks), but if you ask Miranda about it she says that TIM ordered the facility shut down before Jack escaped. Which is a funny way of putting it cuase it makes him look innocent if you dont look at it closely. Miranda kinda sidesteps the question, Cuase whats not said is if he supported its conception initially. And considering that miranda hides it, I'd say that he did.

Secondly TIM does not get credit for the actions of sheppard. he gets credit for saving sheppard but not for what sheppard does afterward.

Also it wasnt just 5 marines on akuze. it was an entire colony that cerberus loosed the thresher maws on. And even if it was to save other colonies there are better ways to go about it.

And finally if you save the collector ship he all but states that he wants humans to dominate the galaxy not just to keep humanity safe.

How does TIM not get credit for saving the colonists in the Terminus systems?  He saw a problem, and stopped it the only way he could, by using an insane amount of resources to bring back the one guy who could.  Just because there's a period in the middle where TIM isn't directly involved, doesn't mean he wasn't responsible.  Without him, every one of those colonists is dead.  I don't see any way around that statement, which means he gets credit.

Are there better ways of accomplishing what TIM wants than turning colonies into husks?  Yeah, but it may take them 10 years to learn what a week could tell them.  TIM is just the ultimate renegade in that respect.  He will do whatever it takes.  Does this make him a bad person?  Maybe, but the whole "ends justifies the means" thing has to hold some water.

And as far as using the collector base to make humans dominate the galaxy, that's irrelevant to Shepard's concerns for ME3.  TIM knows about the reaper's threat.  He will use the collector base to help defeat them first, and Shepard knows that.  If we have to deal with TIM and his collector base after the reapers?  I'm not too concerned.

like i said if he revived and he told u to kill 1 million people would u

Of course not, but that's irrelevant to my whole point.  TIM wouldn't ask you.  He isn't a terrorist.  Everything he does has a bigger goal behind it.

If TIM revived me and told me to kill a million people to save a billion?  I'd like to think I'd be able to do it.

But is it the only option? Would you honestly kill 1 million to save a billion just because he said so? You do not seem to understand that renegade actions should be the last thing you think about it. My opinion is that you must look for anyway to make the death of a million people useless, and if not that, then at least minimize the amount of death as much as possible