i do also go taliDarkwanderStorm wrote...
Jake71887 wrote...
Guys.... GUYS... these conversations are really boring.. needs more Tali
i agree to the full extent of this pic:D
All Tali fans, read this! IT'S UP TO US TO KEEP TALI ALIVE! 3.0!!
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#20101
Posté 27 février 2010 - 04:10
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Retour en haut
#20102
Posté 27 février 2010 - 04:11
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Jake71887 wrote...
alickar wrote...
need a tali pic please to stop this nonsense
nom nom nom nom
#20103
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Posté 27 février 2010 - 04:11
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If I were a specter Id do whatever necessary to complete the job. Even the unfortunate things like this. Unless there was another option of course.camoboy_19 wrote...
The mission doesn't come first in the sense of right. In the sense of neutrality maybe so, but life comes first. If you must let one wanted man get away to keep yourself from killing 100 innocent people, isn't that better than murdering defenseless people?Somebody1003 wrote...
The mission always comes first. Thats why Saren was such a good Specter.camoboy_19 wrote...
The end isn't enough to justify the means. If the factory had to be destroyed, then the workers and other populace could have been saved. Catching one man doesn't justify the death of 500 innocents. Cerberus is the same. The terrorism they use to do what they think is right is wrong in every sense of the wordSomebody1003 wrote...
Saren got the job done, isnt that what really matters?camoboy_19 wrote...
I can see what you are trying to say but the evil of his actions, and his intentions, can never be justified. He ressurected Shepard because he wanted to use Shepard for humanity's, and more so his, advance. If you learned of how Anderson got kicked out of Spectres (Sarren killed 500 innocents with pollution just to get one guy wanted by the Council) You can see where the ideology of my statement comes from. Theres a time to be harsh, even a renegade, but people like TIM and Sarren don't realize that should be the last resortPhil725 wrote...
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We have differing opinions on that then. First of all, the game makes it pretty clear that there is no evidence linking TIM personally to any of those things, the Teltin facility specifically even has its members say they went rogue.
And even if he was responsible? He has still saved many more lives than he has ended by reviving Shepard. People look at the 5 marines killed by Thresher Maws in ME1, and that has a more profound effect on people than the hundreds of thousands of colonists who would be collector meat without him. The reason is that the former is a more personal loss. You see the wasted lives. I'm not defending Cerberus' actions, but they have done way more good than people give them credit for.
As far as TIM, he doesn't hide what he wants. He wants humanity to be the superior race in the galaxy. He also knows that the reapers must be stopped for that to happen (he's also the only person with power in the game to acknowledge them,) until the reapers are defeated, you share a common goal, and TIM will be a better ally than anyone else. Once the reapers are gone, and he has no use for you, then he becomes a problem.
They went rogue true (or at least thats how it looks), but if you ask Miranda about it she says that TIM ordered the facility shut down before Jack escaped. Which is a funny way of putting it cuase it makes him look innocent if you dont look at it closely. Miranda kinda sidesteps the question, Cuase whats not said is if he supported its conception initially. And considering that miranda hides it, I'd say that he did.
Secondly TIM does not get credit for the actions of sheppard. he gets credit for saving sheppard but not for what sheppard does afterward.
Also it wasnt just 5 marines on akuze. it was an entire colony that cerberus loosed the thresher maws on. And even if it was to save other colonies there are better ways to go about it.
And finally if you save the collector ship he all but states that he wants humans to dominate the galaxy not just to keep humanity safe.
How does TIM not get credit for saving the colonists in the Terminus systems? He saw a problem, and stopped it the only way he could, by using an insane amount of resources to bring back the one guy who could. Just because there's a period in the middle where TIM isn't directly involved, doesn't mean he wasn't responsible. Without him, every one of those colonists is dead. I don't see any way around that statement, which means he gets credit.
Are there better ways of accomplishing what TIM wants than turning colonies into husks? Yeah, but it may take them 10 years to learn what a week could tell them. TIM is just the ultimate renegade in that respect. He will do whatever it takes. Does this make him a bad person? Maybe, but the whole "ends justifies the means" thing has to hold some water.
And as far as using the collector base to make humans dominate the galaxy, that's irrelevant to Shepard's concerns for ME3. TIM knows about the reaper's threat. He will use the collector base to help defeat them first, and Shepard knows that. If we have to deal with TIM and his collector base after the reapers? I'm not too concerned.
#20104
Posté 27 février 2010 - 04:12
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I don't think killing for the Greater good is alright. In the end, if you kill those you try to defend to end the problem plaguing them, you have accomplished nothingMarineBorn wrote...
Looks like were getting into thinking that killing for the greater good is ok. But what it all boils down to is the person that has to make the desicion, if for any reason someone had to make a choice to save millions by killing a few hundred they would like to think they would do it. However when you are faced with a problem like that the stakes change and you don't jump to a decision nearly as fast. Either way its a costly transaction and many people would look to there own personal gain, or there own consience for the final answer.
#20105
Posté 27 février 2010 - 04:12
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mmmm pretty guud pic :DDDarkwanderStorm wrote...
Jake71887 wrote...
alickar wrote...
need a tali pic please to stop this nonsense
nom nom nom nom
#20106
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Posté 27 février 2010 - 04:12
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HEY! plz snip the quotes.
#20107
Posté 27 février 2010 - 04:12
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wolfstanus wrote...
Holy talimancer batman. 8 pages since eating dinner..
Also
http://talicomadore64.ytmnd.com/
Whoah... Tali ME sidescroller image plus Spark Man's theme from Mega Man 3? Win!
#20108
Posté 27 février 2010 - 04:12
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Jake71887 wrote...
Guys.... GUYS... these conversations are really boring.. needs more Tali
Super sexy pic. Good call, Jake.
C'mon Steam! Just 19% more until FEAR 2 is fully loaded and then I'm going to bed.
#20109
Posté 27 février 2010 - 04:12
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Zhijn wrote...
With this i bid you Tali-crackers goodnight.
Tali stares into your soul!
#20110
Posté 27 février 2010 - 04:13
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MarineBorn wrote...
HEY! plz snip the quotes.
r u military?
#20111
Posté 27 février 2010 - 04:13
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double
Modifié par tiberius_adamantine, 27 février 2010 - 04:13 .
#20112
Posté 27 février 2010 - 04:13
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Hey, I don't agree with what the Council did, and I fully regret wasting human lives to save them in ME1 (sorta. I mean, at least humans are respect more now for saving their worthless carcasses). I'm just saying that if you're thinking the way the Council does, it makes a twisted sort of sense.DrakeforBake wrote...
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The council is nothing if not short-sighted. What they did to the quarians makes perfect sense if you're just thinking about the present time. Someone gets punished for unleashing an AI race, and then the issue is settled. They get to congratulate themselves for upholding the laws without actually doing anything. See how convenient that is?
If they gave two craps about the future, they would've done something about the geth right then. But they didn't. They swept the quarians under the rug and, stuck their fingers in their ear-analogues, and went, "lalalala, everythings fixed!"
The problem with that though is that they closed off all communication with the Quarian people by evicting their embassy. No embassy no representation, no way to to be a part of the community. No control over their lives.
The Quarians just about settled a world but had the mind to go to the council and say they were going to.
The council then backtracked and said they were awarding rights to the Elcor a month after the Quarians made planetfall. They took all the effort the Quarians did in finding, charting and settling the planet and smiled saying GTFO or we'll turn your people to glass with an orbital bombardment.
The council is specifically gearing for the downfall of the Quarians. They refuse to talk to them and all efforts by the Quarians to play by the rules just gets a swift boot to the quad.
To be a Quarian is to be the laughing stock of the galactic stage. Their only 2 options are to either retake their home from a genocidal machine race or to go well beyond known council space to settle on uncharted worlds beyond council influence and aid.
There's no happy ending for these people without intervention.
As for the colony the quarians were squatting, we don't know the whole story. First, the quarians WERE in the wrong by squatting the planet. Second, I'm willing to bet the Council had something to gain by screwing them over in favor of the elcor. Again, I don't condone it, but I'm sure it made some kind of sick realpolitik sense.
#20113
Posté 27 février 2010 - 04:13
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i mean if i had no other choice then to kill em i wud but it would be hard
#20114
Posté 27 février 2010 - 04:13
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Posté 27 février 2010 - 04:13
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Hey people who read the books, is it better to read them in order?
#20116
Posté 27 février 2010 - 04:14
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Jake71887 wrote...
Zhijn wrote...
With this i bid you Tali-crackers goodnight.
Tali stares into your soul!
she does and it tells me to link my blog http://social.biowar...5244/blog/2887/
#20117
Posté 27 février 2010 - 04:14
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less quotes, more Tali
eat that bandwidth
eat that bandwidth
#20118
Posté 27 février 2010 - 04:14
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look into my eyesJake71887 wrote...
Zhijn wrote...
With this i bid you Tali-crackers goodnight.
Tali stares into your soul!
#20119
Posté 27 février 2010 - 04:14
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camoboy_19 wrote...
I don't think killing for the Greater good is alright. In the end, if you kill those you try to defend to end the problem plaguing them, you have accomplished nothingMarineBorn wrote...
Looks like were getting into thinking that killing for the greater good is ok. But what it all boils down to is the person that has to make the desicion, if for any reason someone had to make a choice to save millions by killing a few hundred they would like to think they would do it. However when you are faced with a problem like that the stakes change and you don't jump to a decision nearly as fast. Either way its a costly transaction and many people would look to there own personal gain, or there own consience for the final answer.
Again, not everthing is like a game, there is no magical hidden third option to save everyone in real life. If you kill a few you were trying to defend as the only resort to saving many more, then you definitely accomplished something.
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Posté 27 février 2010 - 04:14
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Well if theres another option Id take it but if necesary for the greater good Id do it.alickar wrote...
i mean if i had no other choice then to kill em i wud but it would be hard
#20121
Posté 27 février 2010 - 04:14
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more tali=awsomnessSpatFieya wrote...
less quotes, more Tali
eat that bandwidth
#20122
Posté 27 février 2010 - 04:15
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Just out of curiosity, are there people in here whom don't know how to trim mega-massive, stomp-on-your-house and kill-old-yeller-in-the-process quotes?
#20123
Posté 27 février 2010 - 04:15
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I'm with you man. Absolute last resort.MarineBorn wrote...
Looks like were getting into thinking that killing for the greater good is ok. But what it all boils down to is the person that has to make the desicion, if for any reason someone had to make a choice to save millions by killing a few hundred they would like to think they would do it. However when you are faced with a problem like that the stakes change and you don't jump to a decision nearly as fast. Either way its a costly transaction and many people would look to there own personal gain, or there own consience for the final answer.
#20124
Posté 27 février 2010 - 04:15
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My personal favorite tali concept:
#20125
Posté 27 février 2010 - 04:15
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people would start lookin down at uPhil725 wrote...
camoboy_19 wrote...
I don't think killing for the Greater good is alright. In the end, if you kill those you try to defend to end the problem plaguing them, you have accomplished nothingMarineBorn wrote...
Looks like were getting into thinking that killing for the greater good is ok. But what it all boils down to is the person that has to make the desicion, if for any reason someone had to make a choice to save millions by killing a few hundred they would like to think they would do it. However when you are faced with a problem like that the stakes change and you don't jump to a decision nearly as fast. Either way its a costly transaction and many people would look to there own personal gain, or there own consience for the final answer.
Again, not everthing is like a game, there is no magical hidden third option to save everyone in real life. If you kill a few you were trying to defend as the only resort to saving many more, then you definitely accomplished something.
