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[Phil725]

NuclearBuddha wrote...

Phil725 wrote...

I can't see how not being able to have a child would be any big obstacle in the relationship. It happens often in our world, there is a such thing as adoption if you really want a child. The fact that it doesn't have Tali and Shep's genetics doesn't mean it wouldn't be the same in every other sense. Plus the whole one human kid one quarian kid family strikes me as a better solution than a hybrid that would probably face significant problems in its lifetime from health to general acceptance.

As far as whether its possible, no point in debating that other than for fun I guess. If Bioware wants it to be possible, it will be. I can't see the story line progressing that far anyway, does anyone really expect a *and 5 years after they defeated the reapers...* epilogue?

It's definintely a strain on a relationship, the possibility of adoption or not.  There's regret at not being able to, possibly resentment of the lack of capability, the anxiety of always having that empty room in your home and heart that is never going to be filled.  Having their own children is very important to some people.

It'd be doubly tough for Shep and Tali because as any adopted children grew there would always be tough questions:  why does dad look so different?  Why doesn't mom ever take off her suit?  Why can't I go out and play?

I never said it would be no concern at all, but I would assume they would both be well aware of any of those problems before hand.  Those all seem relatively tame compared to the whole chance of dying from being together thing.  If they can get past that, I don't expect other small hang ups to stop them.  And those questions don't exactly seem too tough to me, all quarian children would have to ask that same thing, and kids always ask tough stuff like that, up to the parents to think ahead for good answers.

[alickar]

cept for thing tht lay eggs they cant breed with humans

[AventuroLegendary]

knight5923 wrote...

knight5923 wrote...

Hey what about this? Miranda was constructed completely from her father's dna, right? So why don't they have two kids gentically created from each of there dna, altered just enough to make them indivudals insteada clones, like Miranda was? That way they have kids, and it satisfies the whole wanting to have genetic offspring thing:)

^ ^ ^ ^ Valid? anybody?

yeah but miranda's father was sick

[GD4EVA]

What about genetic modifications, hm? It is THE FUTURE, after all.

Shepard could have Mordin alternate his testicles to produce semen that would make a child with Tali possible, or make the child quarian, Or do the same to Tali.

If it's safe, of course.

[VettoRyouzou]

alickar wrote...

VettoRyouzou wrote...

alickar wrote...

VettoRyouzou wrote...

I have no idea why this is being debated Quarians can not bare the children of humans there a dextro-protein species like Turians to quote mordin " do not swallow".

humans=mammals quarians= mammals=  can breed

A dog is a mammal so is a human = can breed... no.. no it does not.

dog=differen dna=human or human like have almost the same or exact dna

.... Are you for real... Really.. REALLY!? DID YOU EVEN PAY ATTENTION TO ME2!?

dextro-protein species there dna is far different to us then a dog is to us! Let put it this way A human and a Quarians eat a apple... the human is fine.. the Quarians goes into deadly seizures, Quarians may look human but they are not there dna is VERY different.

[AventuroLegendary]

phonypapercut56 wrote...

So is anyone here actually educated enough in biology to explain to me why chiral amino acids would cause such a huge problem? From what I know of biology (first year university) you should still be able to assemble left-handed proteins with the same functions as right-handed proteins. If this were true though, it would only solve eating problems. Having hybrid children would still be impossible due to BEING A GODDAMN ALIEN.

Yep, A in honors biology/ chemistry highschool. there is an 80 percent chance of it NOT being possible.
I think we should save this topic for another thread...

[damage incorp96]

alickar wrote...

VettoRyouzou wrote...

I have no idea why this is being debated Quarians can not bare the children of humans there a dextro-protein species like Turians to quote mordin " do not swallow".

humans=mammals quarians= mammals=  can breed

[Yionel]

http://en.wikipedia....lity_(chemistry)

[solazz]

alickar wrote...

VettoRyouzou wrote...

alickar wrote...

VettoRyouzou wrote...

I have no idea why this is being debated Quarians can not bare the children of humans there a dextro-protein species like Turians to quote mordin " do not swallow".

humans=mammals quarians= mammals=  can breed

A dog is a mammal so is a human = can breed... no.. no it does not.

dog=differen dna=human or human like have almost the same or exact dna

Your logic is making me cry on the inside.

[AventuroLegendary]

GD4EVA wrote...

What about genetic modifications, hm? It is THE FUTURE, after all.
Shepard could have Mordin alternate his testicles to produce semen that would make a child with Tali possible, or make the child quarian, Or do the same to Tali.
If it's safe, of course.

Interesting idea but:
EEEEEEEEEEEEEEWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW

[Jakegnosis]

LegendaryAvenger wrote...

GUYSS do I need to bring out the giant stop sign again?

Hey, I think this topic is tired, beaten to death and stupid as hell, but that doesn't mean people can't talk about it.

[knight5923]

LegendaryAvenger wrote...

knight5923 wrote...

knight5923 wrote...

Hey what about this? Miranda was constructed completely from her father's dna, right? So why don't they have two kids gentically created from each of there dna, altered just enough to make them indivudals insteada clones, like Miranda was? That way they have kids, and it satisfies the whole wanting to have genetic offspring thing:)

^ ^ ^ ^ Valid? anybody?

yeah but miranda's father was sick

Ya, but this wouldn't be trying to create a super-race dynasty, it'd be just to make a family^_^

[Aardvark-8]

[quote]Scalpels wrote...

[quote]LegendaryAvenger wrote...

[quote]Jake71887 wrote...

[quote]RevanKun123 wrote...

[quote]LegendaryAvenger wrote...

[quote]Jake71887 wrote...

[quote]cBselfmonkey wrote...
Ugh... 

Lions and Tigers dont have different DNA bases. Humans and Quarians do. That my friend is all the difference in the world. 

There. Will. Be. No. Hybrid. Child. ...except in the inevtiable fanfics.[/quote]

Lions and Tigers are also very similar genetically, having descended froma  common ancestor.. Humans and Quarians, even without the Chirality is impossible. 
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Like in dragon age you could have a child with morrigan as an elf?[/quote]



Dragon Age is not Science Fiction. It is fantasy. Magic exists in fantasy. Magic breaks rules. Science Fiction (in particular Mass Effect) based on "hard" science. Follows rules. One rule in biology. Species too dissimilar cannot produce child. Human/Dolphin hybrid not possible. Human/Quarian hybrid impossible by several orders magnitude. Even Reaper tech follows rules. When altering species; creates new species. New/old species incompatible. Hybrid child foolish hope. Waste of time.

Also.

Better story is relationship suriving inability to produce children. Couple overcome obstacles. Or not. Become strong. Or broken. Very dramatic. Would prefer to see Shepard/Tali overcome difficulties.

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Agreed.

[quote]alickar wrote...

[quote]LegendaryAvenger wrote...

[quote]Jake71887 wrote...

[quote]RevanKun123 wrote...

[quote]LegendaryAvenger wrote...

[quote]Jake71887 wrote...

[quote]cBselfmonkey wrote...
Ugh... 

Lions and Tigers dont have different DNA bases. Humans and Quarians do. That my friend is all the difference in the world.

There. Will. Be. No. Hybrid. Child. ...except in the inevtiable fanfics.[/quote]

Lions and Tigers are also very similar genetically, having descended froma  common ancestor.. Humans and Quarians, even without the Chirality is impossible. 
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Like in dragon age you could have a child with morrigan as an elf?[/quote]
have u ever lisined to science if a diff species dog has sex with another species dog the puppies willl have both spices mixed in with them so they r hybrid [/quote]

You're kidding me, alickar.
The reason all races of dogs can procreate is because despite the obvious differences between races, all dogs are members of a single species, Canis lupus familiaris. They all have the same genes, the differences are in the particular variants or alleles and their combination; if the physical act works (may be impossible naturally due to size difference etc) there's no biological barrier to cross.
Inter-species procreation is only possible in several cases of mammal pairs, and only because they're genetically nearly identical.

Different species have different number of chromosomes, and the evolution went through some pretty convoluted changes to get each species where it is now. That is only the beginning of the infinite little things that have to go exactly right to ensure a child is succesfully born. The slightest change to the system results in impossibility of survival of the child. For instance, out of 23 chromosome pairs human possesses, there lack of a single member of any pair except X chromosome results in miscarriage. Only three of them can be multiplied and still allow birth of a child, each with a wide array of pathological changes.
There's almost no chance another species in the universe would evolve to even look similar to humans in real life. Procreation between species hailing from different planets (asari obviously aside) would totally ruin the already stretched science of mass effect.
So far, they're doing splendid. The things that wouldn't work in real life are pretty well covered and all serve major storytelling purposes, enabling the story as a whole. What we're debating here would serve no other purpose than degrade this careful mix of science and fiction to the level of hocus pocus.
It works in fantasy because magic is inherent there, but in sci-fi, it would violate the most sacred principles of the genre.

Now let's just let this go and debate what the quarians' approach to adoption would be 

[DarkwanderStorm]

here ill solve the debate right here

[Jakegnosis]

damage incorp96 wrote...

alickar wrote...

VettoRyouzou wrote...

I have no idea why this is being debated Quarians can not bare the children of humans there a dextro-protein species like Turians to quote mordin " do not swallow".

humans=mammals quarians= mammals=  can breed

Hahahaha, Herc knows exactly how I feel!

[RevanKun123]

solazz wrote...

alickar wrote...

VettoRyouzou wrote...

alickar wrote...

VettoRyouzou wrote...

I have no idea why this is being debated Quarians can not bare the children of humans there a dextro-protein species like Turians to quote mordin " do not swallow".

humans=mammals quarians= mammals=  can breed

A dog is a mammal so is a human = can breed... no.. no it does not.

dog=differen dna=human or human like have almost the same or exact dna

Your logic is making me cry on the inside.

"Give a handkerchief to solazz"

[alickar]

VettoRyouzou wrote...

alickar wrote...

VettoRyouzou wrote...

alickar wrote...

VettoRyouzou wrote...

I have no idea why this is being debated Quarians can not bare the children of humans there a dextro-protein species like Turians to quote mordin " do not swallow".

humans=mammals quarians= mammals=  can breed

A dog is a mammal so is a human = can breed... no.. no it does not.

dog=differen dna=human or human like have almost the same or exact dna

.... Are you for real... Really.. REALLY!? DID YOU EVEN PAY ATTENTION TO ME2!?

dextro-protein species there dna is far different to us then a dog is to us! Let put it this way A human and a Quarians eat a apple... the human is fine.. the Quarians goes into deadly seizures, Quarians may look human but they are not there dna is VERY different.

then what about this mordin alters the semen to the stuff tht quarians need to produce offspring id be safe and itd still come from shep  so its safe to have children with her

[solazz]

Yionel wrote...

http://en.wikipedia....lity_(chemistry)

Thanks for posting this.  I was going to make a huge post about how this whole situation is ridiculously impossible, but now I don't have to.  Well, I may have to later down the line since like only 2 people will probably read that.

[DarkwanderStorm]

Jakegnosis wrote...

damage incorp96 wrote...

alickar wrote...

VettoRyouzou wrote...

I have no idea why this is being debated Quarians can not bare the children of humans there a dextro-protein species like Turians to quote mordin " do not swallow".

humans=mammals quarians= mammals=  can breed

Hahahaha, Herc knows exactly how I feel!

rofl i could help but laugh add that picture adn this music

[mortons4ck]

VettoRyouzou wrote...

I have no idea why this is being debated Quarians can not bare the children of humans there a dextro-protein species like Turians to quote mordin " do not swallow".

/discussion

Modifié par mortons4ck, 04 mars 2010 - 06:05 .

[AventuroLegendary]

knight5923 wrote...

LegendaryAvenger wrote...

knight5923 wrote...

knight5923 wrote...

Hey what about this? Miranda was constructed completely from her father's dna, right? So why don't they have two kids gentically created from each of there dna, altered just enough to make them indivudals insteada clones, like Miranda was? That way they have kids, and it satisfies the whole wanting to have genetic offspring thing:)

^ ^ ^ ^ Valid? anybody?

yeah but miranda's father was sick

Ya, but this wouldn't be trying to create a super-race dynasty, it'd be just to make a family^_^

Super race dynasty? like what the master was trying to do in fallout 1?

[NuclearBuddha]

knight5923 wrote...

knight5923 wrote...

Hey what about this? Miranda was constructed completely from her father's dna, right? So why don't they have two kids gentically created from each of there dna, altered just enough to make them indivudals insteada clones, like Miranda was? That way they have kids, and it satisfies the whole wanting to have genetic offspring thing:)

^ ^ ^ ^ Valid? anybody?

Tali could theoretically (based on the Miranda method) have a child composed solely of her own DNA.  That is pretty close to just being a clone, though, and would most definintely not be Shepard's kid (if that matters).  We're still not talking an actual hybrid.  And then who knows what Miranda's dad paid to have that done.  If we're headed that direction, a donor father would be a lot more practical.

If Shep wanted a kid from his own DNA, he'd have to have a surrogate.  It's not like Tali could carry it for him.

[VettoRyouzou]

Here is mordin to help my case.

Mordin


Note it over garrus but Tuirans and Quarians are both dextro-protein species.