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[wolfstanus]

I regret nothing!

[alickar]

LegendaryAvenger wrote...

Aardvark-8 wrote...

solazz wrote...

Ok guys. I'm out for now. Hopefully, by the time I get back, someone will have thrown a high school biology book at alickar.

To reiterate:

You're kidding me, alickar.
The reason all races of dogs can procreate is because despite the obvious differences between races, all dogs are members of a single species, Canis lupus familiaris. They all have the same genes, the differences are in the particular variants or alleles and their combination; if the physical act works (may be impossible naturally due to size difference etc) there's no biological barrier to cross.
Inter-species procreation is only possible in several cases of mammal pairs, and only because they're genetically nearly identical.

Different species have different number of chromosomes, and the evolution went through some pretty convoluted changes to get each species where it is now. That is only the beginning of the infinite little things that have to go exactly right to ensure a child is succesfully born. The slightest change to the system results in impossibility of survival of the child. For instance, out of 23 chromosome pairs human possesses, there lack of a single member of any pair except X chromosome results in miscarriage. Only three of them can be multiplied and still allow birth of a child, each with a wide array of pathological changes.
There's almost no chance another species in the universe would evolve to even look similar to humans in real life. Procreation between species hailing from different planets (asari obviously aside) would totally ruin the already stretched science of mass effect.
So far, they're doing splendid. The things that wouldn't work in real life are pretty well covered and all serve major storytelling purposes, enabling the story as a whole. What we're debating here would serve no other purpose than degrade this careful mix of science and fiction to the level of hocus pocus.
It works in fantasy because magic is inherent there, but in sci-fi, it would violate the most sacred principles of the genre.

Now let's just let this go and debate what the quarians' approach to adoption would be 

And chirality:
Umm, as for chirality in amino acids, it means all the difference in the world from a biological standpoint.

Majority of what builds our cells and bodies are proteins. It's the way they interact that causes the incredible machine we are working smoothly, from simple structural stability of our bodies to the regulation of myriad processes taking place inside us all the time.

All of this interaction is inevitably based on what shapes and conformation those proteins take, like building a jigsaw puzzle or a clockwork mechanism.

Every protein is a chain of amino acids linked together so that they assume some shape. This shape is key, as protein interaction usually works similar to a lock-and-key mechanism.

Chirality (what's hanging left and right in one particular place of the AA molecule) defines its entire geometry and shape; the difference is like between our left and right hands.The entire network, the entire clockwork mechanism, would have to be made differently because the wheels are different. If you took a random mix of both, you could never make it work because the proteins wouldn't fit together.



The only scientifically tenable way for Shepard and Tali to have a child would be to adopt one or use donor semen/surrogate mother.

Biologically engineering a child could also theoretically work in the ME universe. But not taking Shepard's DNA and building upon it.


Just drop it already!

If they do it, they'll wreck the science. Of course they can do it, but it'd make countless people die a little.

What type of education you recieved? just asking

omg ur still talin about this i said if bioware wants a baby in mass 3 they will if they dnt they dont none of ur face can prove tht tali can have a baby in mass 3 its biowares choice

[RevanKun123]

Jake71887 wrote...

RevanKun123 wrote...

I regret saying anything.

You know you love it, I see through your charade 

I died from a heart attack when I saw it.

[alickar]

alickar wrote...

LegendaryAvenger wrote...

Aardvark-8 wrote...

solazz wrote...

Ok guys. I'm out for now. Hopefully, by the time I get back, someone will have thrown a high school biology book at alickar.

To reiterate:

You're kidding me, alickar.
The reason all races of dogs can procreate is because despite the obvious differences between races, all dogs are members of a single species, Canis lupus familiaris. They all have the same genes, the differences are in the particular variants or alleles and their combination; if the physical act works (may be impossible naturally due to size difference etc) there's no biological barrier to cross.
Inter-species procreation is only possible in several cases of mammal pairs, and only because they're genetically nearly identical.

Different species have different number of chromosomes, and the evolution went through some pretty convoluted changes to get each species where it is now. That is only the beginning of the infinite little things that have to go exactly right to ensure a child is succesfully born. The slightest change to the system results in impossibility of survival of the child. For instance, out of 23 chromosome pairs human possesses, there lack of a single member of any pair except X chromosome results in miscarriage. Only three of them can be multiplied and still allow birth of a child, each with a wide array of pathological changes.
There's almost no chance another species in the universe would evolve to even look similar to humans in real life. Procreation between species hailing from different planets (asari obviously aside) would totally ruin the already stretched science of mass effect.
So far, they're doing splendid. The things that wouldn't work in real life are pretty well covered and all serve major storytelling purposes, enabling the story as a whole. What we're debating here would serve no other purpose than degrade this careful mix of science and fiction to the level of hocus pocus.
It works in fantasy because magic is inherent there, but in sci-fi, it would violate the most sacred principles of the genre.

Now let's just let this go and debate what the quarians' approach to adoption would be 

And chirality:
Umm, as for chirality in amino acids, it means all the difference in the world from a biological standpoint.

Majority of what builds our cells and bodies are proteins. It's the way they interact that causes the incredible machine we are working smoothly, from simple structural stability of our bodies to the regulation of myriad processes taking place inside us all the time.

All of this interaction is inevitably based on what shapes and conformation those proteins take, like building a jigsaw puzzle or a clockwork mechanism.

Every protein is a chain of amino acids linked together so that they assume some shape. This shape is key, as protein interaction usually works similar to a lock-and-key mechanism.

Chirality (what's hanging left and right in one particular place of the AA molecule) defines its entire geometry and shape; the difference is like between our left and right hands.The entire network, the entire clockwork mechanism, would have to be made differently because the wheels are different. If you took a random mix of both, you could never make it work because the proteins wouldn't fit together.



The only scientifically tenable way for Shepard and Tali to have a child would be to adopt one or use donor semen/surrogate mother.

Biologically engineering a child could also theoretically work in the ME universe. But not taking Shepard's DNA and building upon it.


Just drop it already!

If they do it, they'll wreck the science. Of course they can do it, but it'd make countless people die a little.

What type of education you recieved? just asking

omg ur still talkin about this i said if bioware wants a baby in mass 3 they will if they dnt they dont none of ur fact can prove tht tali can have a baby in mass 3 its biowares choice

[Jake71887]

RevanKun123 wrote...

Jake71887 wrote...

RevanKun123 wrote...

I regret saying anything.

You know you love it, I see through your charade 

I died from a heart attack when I saw it.

I'm sure you did, getting all flustered like that can cause damage 

[Yionel]

stefanbw wrote...

Anyone else getting distracted by that smiley face that Tali has on her troath. I didn't notice it until someone made a post about it. p_p

i keep hearing about that but never see it

[AventuroLegendary]

Aardvark-8 wrote...

Oh, and I'm studying medicine and natural sciences, predominantly cell biology, biochemistry and mollecular genetics.

So I kind of know what I'm talking about. I just hope I put it everything right, I'm not a native english speaker...

Studying Adv. Chemistry and Biology here. Alright guys lets fix this

[StefanBW]

Yionel wrote...

stefanbw wrote...

Anyone else getting distracted by that smiley face that Tali has on her troath. I didn't notice it until someone made a post about it. p_p

i keep hearing about that but never see it

Looks at this picture and look at the second upper neckpiece.

http://i661.photobuc...14-35-11-63.jpg

Modifié par stefanbw, 27 février 2010 - 10:18 .

[inFam0us]

Im studying Tali ;p



And i like that pic of Shepard holding Tali. I think its supposed to show that Shepard saved Tali from something... I don't think a quarians blood is red tho lol

[epoch_]

Never going to be able to unsee that now. Thanks.

[Bloodhuman1]

stefanbw wrote...

Yionel wrote...

stefanbw wrote...

Anyone else getting distracted by that smiley face that Tali has on her troath. I didn't notice it until someone made a post about it. p_p

i keep hearing about that but never see it

Looks at this picture and look at the second upper neckpiece.

http://i661.photobuc...14-35-11-63.jpg

Confused: What? 

[RevanKun123]

Jake71887 wrote...
I'm sure you did, getting all flustered like that can cause damage 

More outraged than flustered.

[Angelraid]

LegendaryAvenger wrote...

Aardvark-8 wrote...

solazz wrote...

Ok guys. I'm out for now. Hopefully, by the time I get back, someone will have thrown a high school biology book at alickar.

To reiterate:

You're kidding me, alickar.
The reason all races of dogs can procreate is because despite the obvious differences between races, all dogs are members of a single species, Canis lupus familiaris. They all have the same genes, the differences are in the particular variants or alleles and their combination; if the physical act works (may be impossible naturally due to size difference etc) there's no biological barrier to cross.
Inter-species procreation is only possible in several cases of mammal pairs, and only because they're genetically nearly identical.

Different species have different number of chromosomes, and the evolution went through some pretty convoluted changes to get each species where it is now. That is only the beginning of the infinite little things that have to go exactly right to ensure a child is succesfully born. The slightest change to the system results in impossibility of survival of the child. For instance, out of 23 chromosome pairs human possesses, there lack of a single member of any pair except X chromosome results in miscarriage. Only three of them can be multiplied and still allow birth of a child, each with a wide array of pathological changes.
There's almost no chance another species in the universe would evolve to even look similar to humans in real life. Procreation between species hailing from different planets (asari obviously aside) would totally ruin the already stretched science of mass effect.
So far, they're doing splendid. The things that wouldn't work in real life are pretty well covered and all serve major storytelling purposes, enabling the story as a whole. What we're debating here would serve no other purpose than degrade this careful mix of science and fiction to the level of hocus pocus.
It works in fantasy because magic is inherent there, but in sci-fi, it would violate the most sacred principles of the genre.

Now let's just let this go and debate what the quarians' approach to adoption would be 

And chirality:
Umm, as for chirality in amino acids, it means all the difference in the world from a biological standpoint.

Majority of what builds our cells and bodies are proteins. It's the way they interact that causes the incredible machine we are working smoothly, from simple structural stability of our bodies to the regulation of myriad processes taking place inside us all the time.

All of this interaction is inevitably based on what shapes and conformation those proteins take, like building a jigsaw puzzle or a clockwork mechanism.

Every protein is a chain of amino acids linked together so that they assume some shape. This shape is key, as protein interaction usually works similar to a lock-and-key mechanism.

Chirality (what's hanging left and right in one particular place of the AA molecule) defines its entire geometry and shape; the difference is like between our left and right hands.The entire network, the entire clockwork mechanism, would have to be made differently because the wheels are different. If you took a random mix of both, you could never make it work because the proteins wouldn't fit together.



The only scientifically tenable way for Shepard and Tali to have a child would be to adopt one or use donor semen/surrogate mother.

Biologically engineering a child could also theoretically work in the ME universe. But not taking Shepard's DNA and building upon it.


Just drop it already!

If they do it, they'll wreck the science. Of course they can do it, but it'd make countless people die a little.

What type of education you recieved? just asking

This is more or less correct, pretty much what I was saying in my post, if you missed it. On a side note though bio/genetic engineering might work to creat a child but it wouldnt be a human quarian hybrid as altering human dna to mesh w/ quarians would essentially mean it was no longer human DNA. or visa versa.

[Aardvark-8]

 Okay, I have to go.Hopefully you have fun here even without the science  :innocent: 
Just try not to break it again 

You're awesome people. See you again in a day or two.

And love Tali. Studies confirm it's good for your sanity 

Keelah se'lai
Aardvark

[Yionel]

inFam0us wrote...

Im studying Tali ;p

And i like that pic of Shepard holding Tali. I think its supposed to show that Shepard saved Tali from something... I don't think a quarians blood is red tho lol

i think it is from what iv seen from the dead quarian on haestrom

[Jake71887]

RevanKun123 wrote...

Jake71887 wrote...
I'm sure you did, getting all flustered like that can cause damage 

More outraged than flustered.

Outraged, at what? 

[inFam0us]

omg ppl post here each 2 sec



wish there were more active communities like this lol...

[alickar]

bye ard

[RevanKun123]

Jake71887 wrote...

RevanKun123 wrote...

Jake71887 wrote...
I'm sure you did, getting all flustered like that can cause damage 

More outraged than flustered.

Outraged, at what? 

Now he is trying to lure me.

[Yionel]

Bloodhuman1 wrote...

stefanbw wrote...

Yionel wrote...

stefanbw wrote...

Anyone else getting distracted by that smiley face that Tali has on her troath. I didn't notice it until someone made a post about it. p_p

i keep hearing about that but never see it

Looks at this picture and look at the second upper neckpiece.

Confused: What? 

[Aardvark-8]

Geth Hunter Alpha wrote...

This is more or less correct, pretty much what I was saying in my post, if you missed it. On a side note though bio/genetic engineering might work to creat a child but it wouldnt be a human quarian hybrid as altering human dna to mesh w/ quarians would essentially mean it was no longer human DNA. or visa versa.

Not to mention, meshing would be so complicated I doubt even Mordin would be up to it. They'd had to choose one basis, probably quarian so Tali could bear it, and engineer the child to have Shepard-esque qualities the best they could 

Bye.

[CandraZ]

Anyone know of any searchable art sites other then deviantart?? I'm looking for Tali art.

[Jake71887]

RevanKun123 wrote...

Jake71887 wrote...

RevanKun123 wrote...

Jake71887 wrote...
I'm sure you did, getting all flustered like that can cause damage 

More outraged than flustered.

Outraged, at what? 

Now he is trying to lure me.

Nope, just trying to understand what upsets you, so I can avoid it in the future