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[Reptilian Rob]

MarginalBeast wrote...

Sialater wrote...

Wouldn't that be the result of you befriending him/romancing him? He finally opens up?

He only really opens up to you at the very end if you romance him. Players who didn't romance him don't really get that opportunity.

Which is kind of a shame. I do believe that if you romance a character then you should see a side of that character that no one else will, but Garrus could have opened up a little more to everyone else instead of calibrating all the time.

Exactly, there is nothing wrong with a little bro talk. 

[Pannamaslo]

Reptilian Rob wrote...

Pannamaslo wrote...

Ms Cherissa wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...
Yeah, I get that part. Both sides of my family have a rich military background. My uncle was in Vietnam, and he witnessed a napalm drop on a civilian village, he told me that there was nothing to describe the image of children running thirty feet, then burning to death and there was nothing he could do. He doesn't talk about it at at all hardly, he told me he'd rather not re-live it, but forget it. I myself was in the ROTC Airforce for awhile before I found that it wasn't for me. I suppose Garrus feels the same way my uncle does, but I know it doesn't help to hold it all in, it's better to share your emotions and feelings with someone you trust, rather than keep them in and deteriorate. 

Oddly - and not meaning to hijack the thread here - longer term studies indicate that sharing is NOT caring, and that the people who just keep it to themselves are often more functional than those who feel a strong need to 'let it all out'. Apparently we're a very individualist species IRL, not just in the ME 'verse, and there are many perfectly healthy ways of coping.

Soooooo to get back on topic, the 'female' turian dancer? Hm. Smoother face, and in that lighting 'sweeter' features. I know we've seen two distinctly different fringe lengths in hatless turians but my assumption was that had was no different than the differences in hair color or face shapes humans have.

From my clinical experience I must say that it all depends on other things like temperament, social enviroment, neurochemical makeup etc. Many times keeping emotions to yourself leads to mood disorders and somatic disorders (more often the case), especially if a person tends to ruminate a lot. This is not so simple like not sharing good, but sharing bad.

This face is bugged. The cap/hat w/e has holes and face is badly rendered IMO. As far as how Turian females are different from males - hell if I know. Could be anything.

In the world of psychology, nothing is black and white, there are so many chemical imbalances that the brain can introduce and none of them can be predicted. I have a bad feeling that Garrus is going to go ape **** in ME3 and do something that will harm him in the long term. Depending if you let him kill Sidonis or not, maybe if you let him live Garrus will calm down.

As for Turian females, I think they are pretty much the same looking as the males. Perhaps with a different voice tone.

Pretty much summarizes psychologiy dillema=]

If it was a real world scientific problem I would agree, but wathcing s-f recently I would say, they have boobs.

tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/NonMammalMammaries

And really, if Turians find Asari attractive (who looks like blue human space babes) then humans should not be a problem. Not a very scientifically probable scenario, but meh, who cares?

Modifié par Pannamaslo, 05 mars 2010 - 10:38 .

[Brass_Buckles]

Random thoughts on turian culture from the Garrus romance...

Assuming that Shepard did some research, it appears that the head-bumping/face-snuggle thing would take the place of a kiss in turian society (and they don't seem to be terribly touchy-feely with other turians in public).  It's a very bird-like behavior, like that you'd notice in parrots and parakeets (lovebirds being a prime example--yes, dear, let me ruffle my feathers against yours and just sit like that for half an hour or so).  I think we already all figured this out, but you just don't see turians doing that in public--even with asari.  Their mouthparts are not built for kisses, so some replacement makes sense.

One of the first things Garrus says when Shepard starts trying to seduce him is that he respects her more than anyone else--thus he's willing to agree.  This, and the story about how he was basically the equal of that female turian he, er, tested his reach with... leads me to believe that if Garrus respected Shepard less, he wouldn't have agreed to be with her in the first place.  That may just be a Garrus thing, but somehow I suspect it's a turian thing.  It boils down to wanting an equal, a partner, rather than someone you are going to have to protect--and probably also helps conversations a lot if they have disagreements, because respect would let them talk it through rather than fight.  (Shepard, however, may still be dominant in that relationship if she does not have as much respect for Garrus as he does for her--but assuming she goes through with the romance, she must, because if she didn't, she'd've kicked him out when he approached the matter so very awkwardly.)  So in other words, it seems to me like Garrus is looking at Shepard even at the very first flirt as more of a "potential long-term mate" and less of a "one-night stand."  His existing friendship with her would have added weight to that consideration (would you really want to hurt your best friend?).  His one-night-stand with the other turian might have been more, too, if they hadn't apparently been arguing at every turn.  They were equals, but there wasn't apparently enough respect involved to do more than relieve stress with one another.  Otherwise I'd expect him to still be with her.

Anyway, just random thoughts.  Agree, disagree?  Anyone else catch any potential turian culture outside of the codex?

[MarginalBeast]

I agree with you.

And equals or not, I still believe that the female turian completely dominated him in bed and won the "tiebreaker". And yeah, I assume that he respected her physical strength and ability, but not her character. Otherwise they might still be together.

Modifié par MarginalBeast, 05 mars 2010 - 11:30 .

[Castanea]

I agree with that and from what happened, he slept with the female turian instantly. Which doesn't strike me as very respectful, while he's far more hesitant with Shepard. From both the fact that he doesn't know how to approach a inter-species relationship and that he wants to be more careful. It makes it seem like he cares more about this relationship and..

I could just be clawing at air.

[Pannamaslo]

MarginalBeast wrote...

I agree with you.

And equals or not, I still believe that the female turian completely dominated him in bed and won the "tiebreaker". And yeah, I assume that he respected her physical strength and ability, but not her character. Otherwise they might still be together.

Just to add my 0.2$:

I thought that tiebreaker wa a way to work off stress. Nothing indicates realtionship. Absolutely nothing. Compare Thane. I would assume that sex is just common in Turian military as blowing off steam. Just iner-species one is not...

Second: Being dominated in bed is not "loosing" or being "weaker". It could be effective way of manipulation and subterfuge and does not mean person is not dominating in a relationship. Studies on human sexual behavior show that many women, who play "head of a family" role tend in general  to give domiantion to a partner during sexual encounter. Who was more active or more passive is not as significant as you may think, although common sense may tell you otherwise.

Modifié par Pannamaslo, 05 mars 2010 - 11:56 .

[MarginalBeast]

Castanea wrote...

I agree with that and from what happened, he slept with the female turian instantly. Which doesn't strike me as very respectful, while he's far more hesitant with Shepard. From both the fact that he doesn't know how to approach a inter-species relationship and that he wants to be more careful. It makes it seem like he cares more about this relationship and..
I could just be clawing at air.

Nah, I don't think you're clawing at air (I would know, I do that a lot). That makes sense to me. Plus I always hear about how having sex just for the sake of sex and having sex with someone you actually care about are two very different experiences, and I doubt that he has much experience at all with the latter.

[MarginalBeast]

Pannamaslo wrote...

Second: Being dominated in bed is not "loosing" or being "weaker". It could be effective way of manipulation and subterfuge and does not mean person is not dominating in a relationship. Studies on human sexual behavior show that many women, who play "head of a family" role tend in general  to give domiantion to a partner during sexual encounter. Who was more active or more passive is not as significant as you may think, although common sense may tell you otherwise.

Hm? I wasn't trying to imply that Garrus is weak or submissive. But the female turian struck me as the more aggressive one (I like to imagine female turians as pretty tough on average anyway so perhaps that is my personal bias showing through). It's just the impression I got when he was describing that encounter; he almost sounded...sheepish? I didn't really get a "AND THEN I HIT THAT GOOD!" vibe at all.

Modifié par MarginalBeast, 06 mars 2010 - 12:00 .

[Brass_Buckles]

I don't really care who's dominant in bed and it's kind of annoying everyone seems to be going back to that over and over again. Meaningful relationships are not 100% or even 50% sex. I'm more interested in the interpersonal dynamics than the hawt human-on-turian action.



My two cents.

[Castanea]

Brass_Buckles wrote...

I don't really care who's dominant in bed and it's kind of annoying everyone seems to be going back to that over and over again. Meaningful relationships are not 100% or even 50% sex. I'm more interested in the interpersonal dynamics than the hawt human-on-turian action.

My two cents.

How does that topic keep coming up anyway?

[MarginalBeast]

Castanea wrote...

Brass_Buckles wrote...

I don't really care who's dominant in bed and it's kind of annoying everyone seems to be going back to that over and over again. Meaningful relationships are not 100% or even 50% sex. I'm more interested in the interpersonal dynamics than the hawt human-on-turian action.

My two cents.

How does that topic keep coming up anyway?

I dunno, maybe people are running out of things to talk about.

It never really came up at all until the issue about fanfiction was raised a while back. Personally I don't care much either, but if it's brought up then I'll talk about it.

Modifié par MarginalBeast, 06 mars 2010 - 12:07 .

[Pannamaslo]

aynxalot wrote...

Ditto to Brass_Knuckles.

I would also note that, IMO, the dialogue options it gives you for ending the relationship seem to be a case of Shep reading Garrus' thoughts- what holds him back is not wanting to mess up your current relationship as friends/teammates. Knowing you want to be more than that is what convinces him that it'll be okay, that he won't wind up driving you off.

I think Shep, being the very powerful woman that she is, does have a *slight* edge over Garrus in the domincance area, but that's probably more for our benefit as the player in that we get to be in control of things.

ETA: When I say domincance, I'm talking about the relationship as a whole, not bedroom antics. A la who wears the "pants".

As a dominance in realtionship as a whole I would vote Shep after how Garrus looked up to her all ME 1. And she is his commander. Also mostly in the beginnig of  realtionship someone wears "pants", after a while couples tend to develop model of functioning more or less based on a partnership. Not all of them unfortunatley, but quite a few.  Will see in ME 3 how it will turn out...I hope not in a form of Garrus-cameo.<_<

Modifié par Pannamaslo, 06 mars 2010 - 12:19 .

[Brass_Buckles]

aynxalot wrote...

Ditto to Brass_Knuckles.

I would also note that, IMO, the dialogue options it gives you for ending the relationship seem to be a case of Shep reading Garrus' thoughts- what holds him back is not wanting to mess up your current relationship as friends/teammates. Knowing you want to be more than that is what convinces him that it'll be okay, that he won't wind up driving you off.

I think Shep, being the very powerful woman that she is, does have a *slight* edge over Garrus in the domincance area, but that's probably more for our benefit as the player in that we get to be in control of things.

ETA: When I say domincance, I'm talking about the relationship as a whole, not bedroom antics. A la who wears the "pants".

Knuckles might be more apt when I'm angry, but my username's Brass_Buckles.   It's about fashion, not punches, I promise.  (I have some clothes/shoes with brass buckles on them as accents.)

And finally, someone gets that "dominance" isn't something that just happens in the bedroom.  Though I think Garrus is well on his way to being Shepard's equal, regardless.  While he never struck me as really child-like or even particularly youthful, he does seem to have grown a lot as a character between ME1 and ME2--matured, even.  He doesn't really need Shepard to tell him what to do anymore (if he ever did), but he still listens to him/her out of respect.

[Pannamaslo]

Brass_Buckles wrote...

aynxalot wrote...

Ditto to Brass_Knuckles.

I would also note that, IMO, the dialogue options it gives you for ending the relationship seem to be a case of Shep reading Garrus' thoughts- what holds him back is not wanting to mess up your current relationship as friends/teammates. Knowing you want to be more than that is what convinces him that it'll be okay, that he won't wind up driving you off.

I think Shep, being the very powerful woman that she is, does have a *slight* edge over Garrus in the domincance area, but that's probably more for our benefit as the player in that we get to be in control of things.

ETA: When I say domincance, I'm talking about the relationship as a whole, not bedroom antics. A la who wears the "pants".

Knuckles might be more apt when I'm angry, but my username's Brass_Buckles.   It's about fashion, not punches, I promise.  (I have some clothes/shoes with brass buckles on them as accents.)

And finally, someone gets that "dominance" isn't something that just happens in the bedroom.  Though I think Garrus is well on his way to being Shepard's equal, regardless.  While he never struck me as really child-like or even particularly youthful, he does seem to have grown a lot as a character between ME1 and ME2--matured, even.  He doesn't really need Shepard to tell him what to do anymore (if he ever did), but he still listens to him/her out of respect.

I just stated that dominance in bed=/= dominance in a relationship. Also IMO ME 1 Garrus was sometimes childish and not emotionally mature, so maybe that's why I get Shep "pants in relationship" vibe. I like ME 2 Garrus much better.

PS
YAAAY. We hit 100:wizard:

Modifié par Pannamaslo, 06 mars 2010 - 12:26 .

[Exile Isan]

I think peoples "Shep wears the pants" vibe may also come from the fact that it is Shepard that intiates the romance dialog. And is pretty forward about the sex talk, too. I don't personally see it that way (Garrus is my Shep's equal), but it's just a thought.

[Pannamaslo]

Aside from dominance debate:
I just triggered my second suicide mission. I don't like scanning planets, soe Jack died from lack of upgrades Much to my surprise, when Miranda said she will lead first assult team Garrus really showed how he feels about Cerberus. "Half of this team doesn't trus you! ARGH!" That was fun to watch Garrus showing Miranda her place

PS
When romance scene was up I noticed dead fish in the tank. Boy, talking about  a mood killer...

[Castanea]

Pannamaslo wrote...

Aside from dominance debate:
I just triggered my second suicide mission. I don't like scanning planets, soe Jack died from lack of upgrades Much to my surprise, when Miranda said she will lead first assult team Garrus really showed how he feels about Cerberus. "Half of this team doesn't trus you! ARGH!" That was fun to watch Garrus showing Miranda her place

PS
When romance scene was up I noticed dead fish in the tank. Boy, talking about  a mood killer...

Garrus has dialogue?! Nah, I'm kidding, though I didn't know that he says stuff if Jack isn't there to call Miranda  a cheerleader for the hundrenth time.
Maybe I should kill people more often.

[Sialater]

That's why I don't get why she's an option for team leader. Half your squad hates her guts.

[MarginalBeast]

Half (and hopefully all) your squad also trusts your judgment more than they hate her.

[Sialater]

MarginalBeast wrote...

Half (and hopefully all) your squad also trusts your judgment more than they hate her.

I think it's actually that they trust Shep's judgement regarding her judgement.

[Pannamaslo]

Castanea wrote...

Pannamaslo wrote...

Aside from dominance debate:
I just triggered my second suicide mission. I don't like scanning planets, soe Jack died from lack of upgrades Much to my surprise, when Miranda said she will lead first assult team Garrus really showed how he feels about Cerberus. "Half of this team doesn't trus you! ARGH!" That was fun to watch Garrus showing Miranda her place

PS
When romance scene was up I noticed dead fish in the tank. Boy, talking about  a mood killer...

Garrus has dialogue?! Nah, I'm kidding, though I didn't know that he says stuff if Jack isn't there to call Miranda  a cheerleader for the hundrenth time.
Maybe I should kill people more often.

It was worth killing Jack if only for that:innocent:

[Arab25]

Pannamaslo wrote...

Castanea wrote...

Pannamaslo wrote...

Aside from dominance debate:
I just triggered my second suicide mission. I don't like scanning planets, soe Jack died from lack of upgrades Much to my surprise, when Miranda said she will lead first assult team Garrus really showed how he feels about Cerberus. "Half of this team doesn't trus you! ARGH!" That was fun to watch Garrus showing Miranda her place

PS
When romance scene was up I noticed dead fish in the tank. Boy, talking about  a mood killer...

Garrus has dialogue?! Nah, I'm kidding, though I didn't know that he says stuff if Jack isn't there to call Miranda  a cheerleader for the hundrenth time.
Maybe I should kill people more often.

It was worth killing Jack if only for that:innocent:

I demand videos! I want to hear what he says. I could never kill Jack. I like her too much.

[Ms Cherissa]

Pannamaslo wrote...
YAAAY. We hit 100:wizard:

Ah yes. Mod thread-lockdown initiating in 3... 2... 

[Pannamaslo]

Arab25 wrote...

Pannamaslo wrote...

Castanea wrote...

Pannamaslo wrote...

Aside from dominance debate:
I just triggered my second suicide mission. I don't like scanning planets, soe Jack died from lack of upgrades Much to my surprise, when Miranda said she will lead first assult team Garrus really showed how he feels about Cerberus. "Half of this team doesn't trus you! ARGH!" That was fun to watch Garrus showing Miranda her place

PS
When romance scene was up I noticed dead fish in the tank. Boy, talking about  a mood killer...

Garrus has dialogue?! Nah, I'm kidding, though I didn't know that he says stuff if Jack isn't there to call Miranda  a cheerleader for the hundrenth time.
Maybe I should kill people more often.

It was worth killing Jack if only for that:innocent:

I demand videos! I want to hear what he says. I could never kill Jack. I like her too much.

I don't have video:unsure: Don't hurt me...mmmm..please:crying:

His line goes like this (more or less) "I don't want you to be a squadleader! *angry face and finger shoving* Half of a team doesn't even trust you!" Angry Garrus is scary...

Hey! Talimancers got...OMG...1600!!!!

Modifié par Pannamaslo, 06 mars 2010 - 01:18 .