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[Azint]

kglaser wrote...

To get this topic back on Garrus, Pacifien started a topic in the main forum on keeping the aliens in ME--well, alien.  To that end, he suggested a number of differences that could apply to the ME aliens that would render them different from what we are used to now.  One was, what if the turians used a blade to pry off their old scales?  Kind of like snakes shedding their skin against a rock or animals with exoskeletons molting, to give a couple analogies.  I could dig that happening.  After all, humans (and presumably other animals) completely replace their skin layers every-so-many-number-of-days.  Wouldn't turians have to do the same thing?  Then why does Kuril look so wrinkled?  Did he not replace his scales, or do they grow in that way past a certain age?  And I think the lack of wrinkles on Garrus points towards his being in his early 30's at the latest, if they live something like a human lifespan.  Discuss. :happy:

A blade to pry off old scales does sound like an intensive treatment. I thought the larger plates would just grow along as the turian does, like a turtle or crocodile. But they do have some much softer skin, like the ones around his eyes and most of his neck, that could be the sort of skin/scales molting. And for Kuril; I actually imagined he would have been a much older turian for having such a rough looking face, Saren has a similar texture and he was near the Anderson's age. Garrus has much smoother faceplates, so I thought it was a good indicator that he was young, I do think that he would be a bit younger than Shepard. To fortify the mentor-relationship.

[Azint]

I do admit that the only reason I consistently post on this forum is for the community, in my case it's primarily the Tali thread, and to specify that; the night crew. I'll bring up the idea in tonight's session.

[kglaser]

silentstephi wrote...

I wonder if humans are the only race that shower... or wash with water.  Would the other species need to?
Gah...

I'd love to know this.  As a complete and total guess, with nothing on which to base it, I'd say the asari definitely shower (but save big money on shampoo!   )  The drell probably have other means to stay clean, since they like to be dry (although I won't say that rules out bathing with water).  The hanar, definitely...they've got to be mostly water like us squishies, anyhow.  The elcor are a total enigma.  The races in suits (quarian and volus), I can't imagine.  The turians, I'd think the water just runs right off their scales without touching them (but I'm basing that on what would probably happen to a lizard if it got wet...bah, extrapolation is imperfect).  But even if so, I don't think that renders bathing useless.  Ha, I love thinking about this stuff

[Cerrydd]

A long long time ago, we had this conversation about Garrus taking a shower. And that a lot of water would end up in his collar. So that he had to bend over to get the water out.

Heehee.

Anyway, time for bed again. Dunno yet about replacing scales, have to think about it.

[kglaser]

Ooh, I missed that conversation!!



And anyway, have we ever had one about what purpose that collar serves? Is it there only on male turians to attract mates? Is it just there so they get a big seat on the bus by themselves? What??

[Bugsie]

I can imagine the Quarians or Volus have some sort of in suit filtering cleaning device – otherwise it would be like me after an hour at the gym – yuk.

And if you scraped a Turians skin doesn’t that imply softer skin underneath?

[battlechantress]

Given the type of armor that they wear, I'd imagine they'd either have to do something to keep the plates under control (knives perhaps) or else the plates work completely differently (kind of like the turtle analogy). I'm thinking knives are more likely, because of the whole facial tattoo thing (that seems to tie in together better right now).



Hope that makes sense. I'm on antihistamines with a fever that won't go away. So probably not. Sorry.

[Kim Shepard]

I think that once the turian is finished growing, so are the plates, and over the years they get that worn down or cracked appearance that makes turians look older. Their plates are metallic, and metal can wear down over time, right? From what I can tell though, Saren's face looks about the same (minus all the geth stuff) on the cover of Revelation, and he would only be... 26 there? Maybe they can also be worn down from hard battles too, and Saren did become a Spectre pretty young.

That big collar might protect their neck from radiation, like the plates do for their faces. It might be really hard to move their heads if they metal was directly against their necks, and that wouldn't be very practical.

Modifié par Kim Shepard, 10 juin 2010 - 03:32 .

[kglaser]

battlechantress wrote...

Hope that makes sense. I'm on antihistamines with a fever that won't go away. So probably not. Sorry.

That doesn't sound like any fun at all.  Sorry.

And I'd totally love to see a piece of fanart with the scale/scraping maintenance thing. 

[Reptilian Rob]

Darth Cheesecake wrote...

Hello Garrus fans.
what's going on?

The usual, sitting on my ass drinking beer and playing Vija Games because summer semester at SDSU doesn't start for another two weeks.

You?

[Filby08]

Cerrydd wrote...

kglaser wrote...

Cerrydd, did you know your comment would launch a new meme? LOL!

No, it just happens all the time that things that I don't say to be funny turn out to be funny. I can't help it XD

@ Filby: Join our Clan Vakarian group for bigger amounts of insanity.

Yay insanity ! *joins*

[Christmas Ape]

I envision a tool we're not exactly familiar with for carapace-trimming, assuming it's a necessary grooming step - something between a razor and a cheese slicer that trims the edges down so they meet smoothly. I could also imagine that the plates are largely self-regulating - though if they do grow, it gives some hope for Garrus' scar becoming less prominent in later years. I'm not saying he doesn't look badass with it, just that the red-pink skin where the carapace is cracked off looks painful, like it shouldn't be exposed to air.
Turians seem like a steam shower kind of people. Tough skin, prefer a hot climate, lots of seams; something involving heat and pressure, anyway.
Collar size could just be a martial tradition, the way human uniforms have epaulets and gold cords and such (less noticeable on Alliance uniforms, but we're a practical sort).

Or at least, such are my thoughts after catching up on the thread with my coffee.

Modifié par Christmas Ape, 10 juin 2010 - 04:27 .

[Pacifien]

I'm trying to think of some evolutionary reason for the carapace. Right now I'm thinking if the inner portion of the carapace had the metallic sheen of their skin, that's an annoying concave mirror effect directing right at their face.

[Christmas Ape]

Pacifien wrote...

I'm trying to think of some evolutionary reason for the carapace. Right now I'm thinking if the inner portion of the carapace had the metallic sheen of their skin, that's an annoying concave mirror effect directing right at their face.

Radiation shielding, necessary thanks to Palaven's weak magnetosphere.
's right there in the Codex.

[Kim Shepard]

Christmas Ape wrote...

Pacifien wrote...

I'm trying to think of some evolutionary reason for the carapace. Right now I'm thinking if the inner portion of the carapace had the metallic sheen of their skin, that's an annoying concave mirror effect directing right at their face.

Radiation shielding, necessary thanks to Palaven's weak magnetosphere.
's right there in the Codex.

That's my theory. And I would think that the metallic plates are on the outside of the collar. The inside seems to be mostly shielded.

[Pacifien]

Christmas Ape wrote...

Pacifien wrote...

I'm trying to think of some evolutionary reason for the carapace. Right now I'm thinking if the inner portion of the carapace had the metallic sheen of their skin, that's an annoying concave mirror effect directing right at their face.

Radiation shielding, necessary thanks to Palaven's weak magnetosphere.
's right there in the Codex.

That explains the metallic sheen to their skin, but not why they would evolve a carapace that essentially creates a radar dish directing all that reflected radiation to their face.

[Reptilian Rob]

kglaser wrote...

battlechantress wrote...

Hope that makes sense. I'm on antihistamines with a fever that won't go away. So probably not. Sorry.

That doesn't sound like any fun at all.  Sorry.

And I'd totally love to see a piece of fanart with the scale/scraping maintenance thing. 

Beer makes every cold that much better, try it. 

In terms of Turians and Carapaces, I thought the canon behind that was that Palaven was constantly blasted by radiation from it's system's sun?

Modifié par Reptilian Rob, 10 juin 2010 - 05:29 .

[Christmas Ape]

Pacifien wrote...

Christmas Ape wrote...

Pacifien wrote...

I'm trying to think of some evolutionary reason for the carapace. Right now I'm thinking if the inner portion of the carapace had the metallic sheen of their skin, that's an annoying concave mirror effect directing right at their face.

Radiation shielding, necessary thanks to Palaven's weak magnetosphere.
's right there in the Codex.

That explains the metallic sheen to their skin, but not why they would evolve a carapace that essentially creates a radar dish directing all that reflected radiation to their face.

Isn't the hugeness of turian collars a facet of their armor design? They don't strike me as very dish-like when you see them in civvies, but maybe I'm just not paying enough attention to turians without scars and guns.

[Collider]

In their civvies they have similar shape.

[Kim Shepard]

Christmas Ape wrote...

Isn't the hugeness of turian collars a facet of their armor design? They don't strike me as very dish-like when you see them in civvies, but maybe I'm just not paying enough attention to turians without scars and guns.

Their collars aren't as big as the armor makes them look, but they're still there. I don't have any screenshots to post, but you could probably find some of Garrus in his casual outfit.

I think it would still be enough to protect their necks from radiation, but like I said, the metallic plates are probably on the outside of their collar, not the inside where the sun would reflect back in their eyes.

[Christmas Ape]

Kim Shepard wrote...
I don't have any screenshots to post, but you could probably find some of Garrus in his casual outfit.

I know where to find one, anyway...to the turian banana thread!

Or....not. Forgot about the Photobucket thing. Dang.

Modifié par Christmas Ape, 10 juin 2010 - 05:52 .

[Nilfalasiel]

Azint wrote...

A blade to pry off old scales does sound like an intensive treatment. I thought the larger plates would just grow along as the turian does, like a turtle or crocodile. But they do have some much softer skin, like the ones around his eyes and most of his neck, that could be the sort of skin/scales molting. And for Kuril; I actually imagined he would have been a much older turian for having such a rough looking face, Saren has a similar texture and he was near the Anderson's age. Garrus has much smoother faceplates, so I thought it was a good indicator that he was young, I do think that he would be a bit younger than Shepard. To fortify the mentor-relationship.

Yeah, it really does sound like too much hassle to have to do a full body...uh, scrape?...on a regular basis. I'd be more inclined to believe that the carapace stops growing once they reach full size, hence the weathered look of the older turians (eg. Kuril). If their carapace got entirely renewed on a regular basis, they wouldn't have wrinkles, would they? I'm guessing it does renew itself to an extent (healing), but having to pry stuff off sounds...painstaking. Besides, how would they be able to reach around to their backs? Having to rely on someone else to scrape their backs every time they needed it just sounds completely impractical.

And yes, I agree that Garrus' smoother face texture is an indicator of him being young. I'd think he'd be about 2-3 years younger than Shep.

Concerning how quarians wash, the suit probably has inbuilt cleaning mechanisms. I know I've seen waste disposal mentioned somewhere before (): something to the effect of it being compartmentalized by the suit for easy removal. I'm guessing something similar happens for the volus.

I also like the steam shower idea for turians.

@ silentstephi: Lol, that smoothie comic is disturbing...One thing though: Garrus wouldn't be able to drink that, because it qualifies as levo-based food. Matriarch Aethyta mentions an anecdote about some mercs that once drank liquefied turian. "Nobody came out of that one looking pretty"; the same probably applies in reverse.

[Bugsie]

Okay guys you've probably seen this one before but it's new to me...

[Twilight_Princess]

Romance in ME3 will be interesting,  will the past two games finalize which characters you are able to romance? Lets say if you chose kaiden in ME1 then Garrus in ME2, will they be the only two characters you can interact with in a romantic way during the game? Or will you still be able to romance multiple characters anyway (thane , jacob) in ME3 despite your personal history? If you don't romance ANYONE in ME1 , will those characters return as competition for your me2 love interest? I have no idea how they are going to handle the romance subplot in the last game, let alone the squad problem! What a cluster...duck I really hope they figured all this out beforehand.

Modifié par Hyrule_Gal, 10 juin 2010 - 12:04 .

[lovgreno]

I realy want to keep my Shepards alien sweethearts by his/her side and in their squad in ME3. It was good that they gave Shepard more options in ME2 even if it meant that Liara and Kaidan/Ashley acted totaly weird. But not the same thing in ME3 please.