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[Xsause]

silentstephi wrote...

Wait a tic... where do you ever come across Sidonus's first name?!
I've seen it twice now, once in pen-gen's origins for Garrus and there's a guy on facebook called Lantar Sidonus.
Where did Lantar come from?
MUST KNOW!?!?!

If you save Sidonis and watch the news, you discover that he actually turned himself in to the cops for murdering ten people. His full name is mentioned there.

[silentstephi]

Ah haaaaaaaa, Eeenteresting.

/pokes fingers together...

Shows you how many times I've saved him. XD

[Kim Shepard]

I think they probably will have new romance options in ME3, if only because some people will start with the third game before playing the other two. (How they can follow the plotline at all, I have no idea.) I'd like to see some new squadmates and romance options too. I like most of the Mass Effect characters. But if Liara comes back as a possible romance option... cue the dramatic "Nooooooo!" from my MaleShep, who is still trying to dodge her in ME1.

Also, I thought Sidonis was his first name. xD I didn't save him either.

[Sialater]

I was replaying Fade Away a few days ago and came to the conclusion Sidonis should be saved each and every time, at least by a Paragon Shepard. There are too many times in that mission that Garrus could put a hole in his head after Shepard identifies him. Hell, he can even off him after Shepard walks away. Garrus, for some reason, needs Shepard's OK on this.

[Kim Shepard]

Most of my Shepards are going to let Garrus kill him, and say that they would have done the same thing. Some of them will make Sidonis talk first, even though they decided from the start that they want Sidonis to die. It all depends on the Shepard.

My MainShep sounded hilariously suspicious when she moved away at the first opportunity. xD She should know better than that.

[Reihax]

I like the idea of saving Sidonis from a headshot for the sake of extra Garrus dialogue.



I'm horrible, I know.

[jillyfae]

Sorry for disappearing, and I know this was four hours ago, but.... I have a non-Garrus-recruited save, and you can't ask him how he dealt with stress prior to Ilos (cause he wasn't there) and there's no option to comment after the reach/flexibility story. (Maybe I just got a glitch, but I was assuming they did that on purpose, as there would be no romance without the respect build up from the first game.) *shrugs*



And most of my Shepard's let Garrus kill Sidonis as well. Most of my Shepards are in very angry, vengeful places in ME2, and thus an eye for an eye seems like a highly reasonable way to live.

[Cerrydd]

Sialater wrote...

I was replaying Fade Away a few days ago and came to the conclusion Sidonis should be saved each and every time, at least by a Paragon Shepard. There are too many times in that mission that Garrus could put a hole in his head after Shepard identifies him. Hell, he can even off him after Shepard walks away. Garrus, for some reason, needs Shepard's OK on this.

When I played ME2 on the Xbox for the first time, I noticed that I got the Garrus loyalty achievement during the loading screen between Harkin and the shuttle ride. He's loyal because you're helping him; then it's up to you to choose how to handle the finale. I don't think I'll ever see the point in killing Sidonis. By killing Sidonis, you're reinforcing the way Garrus thinks; no forgiveness for the likes of Sidonis. By sparing Sidonis, you show Garrus there is another way. I always prefer to make him think.

I still see this LM more as a "gawddamn I got my entire crew killed because I didn't see it coming which means that I'm a bad leader" than "gawddamn Sidonis betrayed us and now I want him dead". Think about responsibility, something that turians value very much and the fact that superiors are punished when someone they promoted screws up. Sidonis deserves punishment for being a coward, but death it a step too far. That's why I always give him that second chance to make it up, because I seriously doubt he will do it again.

(my opinion )

[TMA LIVE]

Sialater wrote...

I was replaying Fade Away a few days ago and came to the conclusion Sidonis should be saved each and every time, at least by a Paragon Shepard. There are too many times in that mission that Garrus could put a hole in his head after Shepard identifies him. Hell, he can even off him after Shepard walks away. Garrus, for some reason, needs Shepard's OK on this.

As Garrus's buddy, I never let him kill Sidonis. As his friend I shouldn't allow him to go down that route of killing in cold blood. I wouldn't allow him to give in to vengeance. Besides, Sidonis ends up turning himself in.

[Kim Shepard]

That's strange... I guess it makes sense though. o_o; Still, no Garrus romance for the people who only bought ME2? I wonder if the same is true for Tali's romance as well.

Most of my Shepards are vengeful people in general, not just ME2. xD Even EvilShep, who has no problem with betrayal when he does it, would be angry at Sidonis for almost getting his most loyal teammate killed off. Besides, if they were the ones who wanted revenge, I think about half of them would shoot the person who gets in the way. Garrus being unforgiving just means they have another thing in common.

[TMA LIVE]

Kim Shepard wrote...

That's strange... I guess it makes sense though. o_o; Still, no Garrus romance for the people who only bought ME2? I wonder if the same is true for Tali's romance as well.

Most of my Shepards are vengeful people in general, not just ME2. xD Even EvilShep, who has no problem with betrayal when he does it, would be angry at Sidonis for almost getting his most loyal teammate killed off. Besides, if they were the ones who wanted revenge, I think about half of them would shoot the person who gets in the way. Garrus being unforgiving just means they have another thing in common.

No, default players can romance him. I did it myself with my default fem-shep.

[Cerrydd]

TMA LIVE wrote...

Kim Shepard wrote...

That's strange... I guess it makes sense though. o_o; Still, no Garrus romance for the people who only bought ME2? I wonder if the same is true for Tali's romance as well.

Most of my Shepards are vengeful people in general, not just ME2. xD Even EvilShep, who has no problem with betrayal when he does it, would be angry at Sidonis for almost getting his most loyal teammate killed off. Besides, if they were the ones who wanted revenge, I think about half of them would shoot the person who gets in the way. Garrus being unforgiving just means they have another thing in common.

No, default players can romance him. I did it myself with my default fem-shep.

Heh, I'm confused. So you can't romance him when you didn't recruit him in ME1 and imported that save. But you can romance him with a default Shep? Did default Shep recruit him in ME1? I thought default Shep didn't recruit Garrus in ME1 because new people wouldn't know him.

[Kim Shepard]

TMA LIVE wrote...

No, default players can romance him. I did it myself with my default fem-shep.

That's what I thought. I guess jillyfae's game had a glitch then? What an awful glitch to have. ):

Edit:
Or maybe default Shepard did recruit Garrus. Does anyone know if the default didn't recruit Wrex, killed him at Virmire, or was it never said?

Modifié par Kim Shepard, 10 juin 2010 - 06:11 .

[ciaweth]

This makes sense to me.



- If you have an ME1 save where you specifically made the decision not to recruit Garrus, then you're not the person he trusts most in this screwed up galaxy. You're new to him. An admirable human maybe, but not a close friend.



- If you start ME2 without a save file from ME1, the game assumes you did recruit Garrus, so you're his trusted friend.

[aymlam79]

 I don't know why, but I've struggled with the ethics of the Sidonis mission. In the mindsets of my paragade and renegade Sheps, it makes perfect sense to kill off Sidonis. My first mainShep playthrough didn't even try to talk to Sidonis because she wanted to score with Garrus was afraid of ruining Garrus' chance to get the revenge he wanted. My second renegade Shep talked to Sidonis, but let him die for dramatic/angsty effect. I'm in the middle of replaying my main paragade Shep, so maybe I'll save him.

[Sialater]

Ah, so the default assumes recruitment. Interesting.



Which means the default assumes you killed Wrex, not just didn't recruit him. Default Shep's a jerk.



I think you answered for us, Jilly, what happens between an imported Shep and Garrus who wasn't recruited in ME1. We don't have to suffer through ME1 without Garrus, now, for science.

[jillyfae]

Glad I could help. I did it just to see the dialogue variety in the after mission briefings. (I didn't recruit Liara in that one until after Virmire... it's impossible to kill Wrex, even if you haven't done his quest, if you don't have Garrus and Liara. FYI.)

[silentstephi]

The only time I've ever saved Sid was by accident. (I was playing a default paragon XD)



I'm perfectly able to sleep at night with him offing Sid. But I make him talk it through with Shepard. Make sure he knows what he's getting into and all that guff.



It's one of those arguments that people will feel strongly for both sides, simply because it has ties to real world issues (like capital punishment.)

Some people believe in it, some don't.



It does make a ton of sense to me that if you purposefully DIDN'T bring Garrus with you in ME1, that you wouldn't be able to romance him in ME2. Cia has it right, you just don't have that deep rooted friendship (mentorship, whatever.)

If it's a non- ME1 save game, then sure, it's safe to assume a default approach was you recruited him.



Also, cia, YOU ROCK for putting BK's FB page in your sig! ^.^

[Collider]

I thought the default is Shepard not recruiting Garrus. You can romance Garrus in the default but not a non-recruited import save...strange. They're basically the same thing.

Modifié par Collider, 10 juin 2010 - 06:34 .

[janeym27]

ciaweth wrote...

This makes sense to me.

- If you have an ME1 save where you specifically made the decision not to recruit Garrus, then you're not the person he trusts most in this screwed up galaxy. You're new to him. An admirable human maybe, but not a close friend.

- If you start ME2 without a save file from ME1, the game assumes you did recruit Garrus, so you're his trusted friend.

I think the default is for no Garrus recruit. Which rather changes the dynamic of the romance, IMO...

[Cerrydd]

Default Shep has a dead Wrex in his PT (killed by Ashley IIRC), so I assumed default Shep also didn't recruit Garrus. For people who start playing the ME trilogy with the second part, it would make sense if they didn't recuit/keep the optional squaddies (Garrus and Wrex) because they have no history with them. The other four are all obligatory so they have to be in the story.



Weird **** if you can romance Garrus with default Shep. Like Janey said, it completely changes the romance.

[DirtyVagrant]

Stupid minimalist default new game. Who in their right mind WOULDN'T recruit Garrus? People who don't should have their game confiscated and be clubbed over the head with something heavy.

[Cerrydd]

DirtyVagrant wrote...

Stupid minimalist default new game. Who in their right mind WOULDN'T recruit Garrus? People who don't should have their game confiscated and be clubbed over the head with something heavy.

Garrus' pole he pulled out of his butt of course

Seriously, playing ME1 without recruiting Wrex and Garrus would completely take out the joy of the game for me.

[Nilfalasiel]

Cerrydd wrote...

Seriously, playing ME1 without recruiting Wrex and Garrus would completely take out the joy of the game for me.

This. Very much so.

[Kim Shepard]

Nilfalasiel wrote...

Cerrydd wrote...

Seriously, playing ME1 without recruiting Wrex and Garrus would completely take out the joy of the game for me.

This. Very much so.

Garrus and Wrex are my favorite squadmates. My MainShep took them everywhere (except Wrex got switched out for Liara on Noveria). MaleShep switches it up too much. Sometimes I miss Garrus and Wrex. xD