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Umanix wrote...

That's an interesting thought to consider, given that he never mentions his mother (or anything too personal regarding his life apart from his job/Archangel business for that matter). Seeing as how Garrus was frustrated with C-Sec's rules and regulations getting in the way of putting criminals away, I'd think the latter scenario (mother murdered and criminal got away) would be a likely story.
URG. Now I want to know about his mom. What have you done to me, Brass_Buckles?


Congrats, I've just indocrinated you.  :ph34r:

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Okay Brass, I have some very specific instructions for you.



Release the CTRL button on your keyboard. <3



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@ Castanea: Yes. More Garrus personal history please. I want to learn more about some of his time in the turian military. And of course, his dad. Just *who* is his dad, anyway? How much influence does Papa Vakarian have in turian society? I want to know more, dangnabit!



@ Sialater: I thought his reaction to Harkin was unnaturally strong, but I was under the impression Harkin was fired from C-Sec a while ago? Maybe before Garrus even left C-Sec. Hard to say for certain, but I don't think Harkin would have been kept in C-Sec considering the reasons behind his, er, getting "laid off" in the first game.

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Umanix wrote...

Okay Brass, I have some very specific instructions for you.

Release the CTRL button on your keyboard.

(LOL I MADE A FUNNY)

@ Castanea: Yes. More Garrus personal history please. I want to learn more about some of his time in the turian military. And of course, his dad. Just *who* is his dad, anyway? How much influence does Papa Vakarian have in turian society? I want to know more, dangnabit!

@ Sialater: I thought his reaction to Harkin was unnaturally strong, but I was under the impression Harkin was fired from C-Sec a while ago? Maybe before Garrus even left C-Sec. Hard to say for certain, but I don't think Harkin would have been kept in C-Sec considering the reasons behind his, er, getting "laid off" in the first game.


I know this hurts you, Umanix.

Yeah, actually, when you talk to Executor Pallin in ME1, his opinions sound very much like what Garrus tells you about his father.  However, if Pallin is his last name, then he isn't Garrus's dad--or at least I wouldn't think so.  Much as I'd like to know who exactly Garrus's father is, I'm not sure it really matters.  I do wonder if we'll ever hear anything about his mother, though--because it might have something to do with why Garrus is so very... Garrus.

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@Batman comment.

-Is waiting for someone to photoshop Garrus' face onto a Batman picture, knows it's coming- :ph34r:

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Umanix wrote...

Okay Brass, I have some very specific instructions for you.

Release the CTRL button on your keyboard.

(LOL I MADE A FUNNY)

@ Castanea: Yes. More Garrus personal history please. I want to learn more about some of his time in the turian military. And of course, his dad. Just *who* is his dad, anyway? How much influence does Papa Vakarian have in turian society? I want to know more, dangnabit!

@ Sialater: I thought his reaction to Harkin was unnaturally strong, but I was under the impression Harkin was fired from C-Sec a while ago? Maybe before Garrus even left C-Sec. Hard to say for certain, but I don't think Harkin would have been kept in C-Sec considering the reasons behind his, er, getting "laid off" in the first game.



No.  Harkin was in C-Sec when you were talking to him trying to track down Garrus.  The game seems to fudge when Harkin was actually tossed out, though. 

Just thinking out loud, but what if Garrus had evidence to get him tossed out and arrested, but it wasn't yet enough?  And no one would listen?  Again?

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But, he does say he was very upset with how your memory was treated. I can't imagine Garrus taking anyone bad mouthing Shep of either gender lying down.



I really don't think there has to be more drama than that.

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Garrus is a pretty cool cat, tough son of a ****, hope to see his character shine in the third game, but I have a question. How many let him take the shot on Sidonis, how many talk him out of it?

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LuckyIronAxe wrote...

Garrus is a pretty cool cat, tough son of a ****, hope to see his character shine in the third game, but I have a question. How many let him take the shot on Sidonis, how many talk him out of it?


I think that's the most popular question aside from 'why did your femShep romance him instead of (pick a name)'.

Oddly enough, my Renegade Shep stopped him from taking the shot cuz my Renegade is a damn control freak, but my Paragon Shep let him take it because she trusts Garrus to know himself and know where his boundaries are - she did not wish to take what little bit of control Garrus felt like he had in his life out of his hands.

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Umanix wrote...
I'm currently trying to work on a fan comic detailing Garrus leaving C-Sec behind for Omega and am trying to come up with a good, believable reason as for why he'd do so without making him seem renegade.


I was going to write a fic for that...but I'm focusing on a larger ME project at the moment. My idea for him was his first case (after the Citadel attack,) (also his last case) got personal. Lots of crap happened, C-Sec officers died, and the Council takes him off. Gives command over to a Spectre. Strike one. Garrus goes after baddies by himself, and succeeds while barely escaping for his life. He's punished and, (subsequently denied Spectre status if Shep had gone renegade. This may seem weird to some people, but the Council expects Spectre's to fall their orders to a degree.) Strike three and four would be Shepard ending up dead and the Council then slandering his name and his warnings against the Reapers.

Those are just my thoughts. The slandering would need some background in order to make an impact. If you need any more ideas, I gotz more. ^_^

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LuckyIronAxe wrote...

Garrus is a pretty cool cat, tough son of a ****, hope to see his character shine in the third game, but I have a question. How many let him take the shot on Sidonis, how many talk him out of it?


My Shep talked him out of it. I wanted to hear Sidonis's side of the story and let him walk away in the end. It didn't feel right for my Shep to let Garrus take the shot right away.

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Gar_Logan wrote...

Umanix wrote...
I'm currently trying to work on a fan comic detailing Garrus leaving C-Sec behind for Omega and am trying to come up with a good, believable reason as for why he'd do so without making him seem renegade.


I was going to write a fic for that...but I'm focusing on a larger ME project at the moment. My idea for him was his first case (after the Citadel attack,) (also his last case) got personal. Lots of crap happened, C-Sec officers died, and the Council takes him off. Gives command over to a Spectre. Strike one. Garrus goes after baddies by himself, and succeeds while barely escaping for his life. He's punished and, (subsequently denied Spectre status if Shep had gone renegade. This may seem weird to some people, but the Council expects Spectre's to fall their orders to a degree.) Strike three and four would be Shepard ending up dead and the Council then slandering his name and his warnings against the Reapers.

Those are just my thoughts. The slandering would need some background in order to make an impact. If you need any more ideas, I gotz more. ^_^



That's a hell of an eventful month.

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I'm thinking Garrus' reaction to Harkin is because while Harkin was a C-sec officer he was corrupt as hell and has now kicked out of C-Sec and been breaking the law (being a forger). I mean we all know how much our favorite turian hates corruption and injustice, Harkin just pressed all Garrus' buttons at once.

That and he shot at us... that kinda ticked off my Shep a little. Posted Image

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Sialater wrote...

Gar_Logan wrote...

Umanix wrote...
I'm currently trying to work on a fan comic detailing Garrus leaving C-Sec behind for Omega and am trying to come up with a good, believable reason as for why he'd do so without making him seem renegade.


I was going to write a fic for that...but I'm focusing on a larger ME project at the moment. My idea for him was his first case (after the Citadel attack,) (also his last case) got personal. Lots of crap happened, C-Sec officers died, and the Council takes him off. Gives command over to a Spectre. Strike one. Garrus goes after baddies by himself, and succeeds while barely escaping for his life. He's punished and, (subsequently denied Spectre status if Shep had gone renegade. This may seem weird to some people, but the Council expects Spectre's to fall their orders to a degree.) Strike three and four would be Shepard ending up dead and the Council then slandering his name and his warnings against the Reapers.

Those are just my thoughts. The slandering would need some background in order to make an impact. If you need any more ideas, I gotz more. ^_^



That's a hell of an eventful month.


Something I never really got: Did Garrus go back to C-Sec immediatly after end of ME1? Or did he remain with Shepard for a while? Certain conversations in the game have hinted at both and it confuses me. :unsure:

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Sialater wrote...

Gar_Logan wrote...

Umanix wrote...
I'm currently trying to work on a fan comic detailing Garrus leaving C-Sec behind for Omega and am trying to come up with a good, believable reason as for why he'd do so without making him seem renegade.


I was going to write a fic for that...but I'm focusing on a larger ME project at the moment. My idea for him was his first case (after the Citadel attack,) (also his last case) got personal. Lots of crap happened, C-Sec officers died, and the Council takes him off. Gives command over to a Spectre. Strike one. Garrus goes after baddies by himself, and succeeds while barely escaping for his life. He's punished and, (subsequently denied Spectre status if Shep had gone renegade. This may seem weird to some people, but the Council expects Spectre's to fall their orders to a degree.) Strike three and four would be Shepard ending up dead and the Council then slandering his name and his warnings against the Reapers.

Those are just my thoughts. The slandering would need some background in order to make an impact. If you need any more ideas, I gotz more. ^_^



That's a hell of an eventful month.


Oh you have no idea. :lol:

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Cerrydd wrote...

LuckyIronAxe wrote...

Garrus is a pretty cool cat, tough son of a ****, hope to see his character shine in the third game, but I have a question. How many let him take the shot on Sidonis, how many talk him out of it?


My Shep talked him out of it. I wanted to hear Sidonis's side of the story and let him walk away in the end. It didn't feel right for my Shep to let Garrus take the shot right away.

My first time, I stepped out of his shot right away.  My Renegade was like F that noise Garrus, finish the job, let's go die killing Space Bugs.

My subsiquent playthroughs, I've let Garrus shoot him, only AFTER he realized that Sidonus is an empty husk of a turian.  At that point, he's doing right by his men, all 11 of them. 

Only time I've let Sidonus go, was on my Plain Jane Shep, just to see what happens.  And of course, Sidonus turns himself in... but C-Sec isn't going to be able to do squat with something that happened on Omega... so yea.  I'll keep shooting him.  /shrug

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LuckyIronAxe wrote...

Garrus is a pretty cool cat, tough son of a ****, hope to see his character shine in the third game, but I have a question. How many let him take the shot on Sidonis, how many talk him out of it?

It really depended upon which Shepard I was playing at the time honestly. Most of them refused to let him take the shot because they were terrified of the thought of their friend turning into what Liara has since become - someone who is so focused on revenge that they don't realize what they are losing in order to obtain it...
Though my Paragade also spared him because she felt that the worst punishment he could receive would be to live out the rest of his days knowing what he had done - a long drawn out torture of the mind and soul as opposed to a relatively quick bullet to the head... Made all the more potent by the fact that Sidonis WAS visibly forcing himself to suffer for his actions. What can I say? She's a bit of a sadist when it comes to people harming her crew members...

The others who didn't spare Sidonis did so because they felt Garrus was now capable of handing the consequences of his actions. If he wanted to kill Sidonis, then fine. They'd let him do so, and then have him live with the consequences from then on after.

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If there was a "it's your call, Garrus"-option after talking to Sidonis, I would pick that one. If he still felt like killing Sidonis after hearing the other side of the story it would be fine for me, but I just wanted both my Shep and Garrus to hear what Sidonis had to say.

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Castanea wrote...

Sialater wrote...

Gar_Logan wrote...

Umanix wrote...
I'm currently trying to work on a fan comic detailing Garrus leaving C-Sec behind for Omega and am trying to come up with a good, believable reason as for why he'd do so without making him seem renegade.


I was going to write a fic for that...but I'm focusing on a larger ME project at the moment. My idea for him was his first case (after the Citadel attack,) (also his last case) got personal. Lots of crap happened, C-Sec officers died, and the Council takes him off. Gives command over to a Spectre. Strike one. Garrus goes after baddies by himself, and succeeds while barely escaping for his life. He's punished and, (subsequently denied Spectre status if Shep had gone renegade. This may seem weird to some people, but the Council expects Spectre's to fall their orders to a degree.) Strike three and four would be Shepard ending up dead and the Council then slandering his name and his warnings against the Reapers.

Those are just my thoughts. The slandering would need some background in order to make an impact. If you need any more ideas, I gotz more. ^_^



That's a hell of an eventful month.


Something I never really got: Did Garrus go back to C-Sec immediatly after end of ME1? Or did he remain with Shepard for a while? Certain conversations in the game have hinted at both and it confuses me. :unsure:

I think he went straight back to C-Sec, if only because you can catch a glimpse of several familiar NPCs (like Chakwas) jumping into the escape pods, but no Garrus. It's always been my thought that events went like Sovereign > Garrus leaves Normandy before geth-hunting assignment > Collector attack > Alliance/Council are massive dicks re: Shepard and Reapers > Garrus ragequits and leaves to become a superhero.

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Castanea wrote...

Something I never really got: Did Garrus go back to C-Sec immediatly after end of ME1? Or did he remain with Shepard for a while? Certain conversations in the game have hinted at both and it confuses me. :unsure:


I am still confused about this too.  I agree that different lines in the game have given me both impressions.  I wish I could remember the specific lines, but I can't now. Jacob (I think) early on in the game specifically names that Liara and Tali were on the Normandy when it was attacked, but that doesn't mean Garrus/Wrex were not.  There is some other person, later,  who refers simply to "the aliens who were on the Normandy" doing...something.  Gah. Obviously we know both Garrus and Wrex eventually moved on to something else but it's not clear if it was immediately after Saren, or what. 


With Wrex it is easy to imagine him going straight back to Tuchanka after ME1.  With Garrus, it's a little less clear why he would want to go back to C-Sec before Shepard's death.  Obviously after the Normandy was destroyed he would have had to go somewhere and for paragon'd Garrus, C-Sec makes sense (now I can't even remember if he does something different for renegades).  But in the few weeks or so between the Citadel battle and the destruction of the Normandy, when they were running around fighting geth, I can easily see Garrus sticking around (even with manShep or no secret romantic feelings and all that, just plain ol' vanilla canon) just for the continued fun of adventuring, doing some good for the galaxy by killing the geth, but under a Spectre who isn't fettered by rules/regulations -- basically the same reason he joined up in the first place.

Anyway, so I guess my vote is that it seems logical for him to have stayed on the Normandy for a while based on his character/motivations, but based on the what the game *actually* tells us, it seems less likely he stayed, which is where the contradiction is coming from.  If he had stayed on, you'd also think he would have dialoge about "when we were attacked" or something.  And Dr. Michel refers to "when he found out you had died." Which implies he wasn't around at the time.  Even then though you could find away around that -- maybe the people in the escape pods didn't immediately know whether Shep, Joker, etc, had escaped or not, all they could see was things getting blown up out the window.


EDIT: @ moonboots,   yes there is also the fact that we don't see him jumping into the escape pods (but I don't recall specifically seeing Tali or Liara either and we know they were there) but that may not be so reliable, since they were trying to keep him a secret for the Archangel mission, maybe???? (which wouldn't make sense since it's earlier in time and wouldn't give it away...but they didn't have him in any of the marketing, where simple shots of him fighting wouldn't necessarily spoil the surprise of his alter ego either so....*shrug*).

Honestly, I would rather they just come out and say he is in ME3 from the start of their promotions, so we can get some nice hi-res movies and trailers, and also so we don't have to worry so much this time :pinched:

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enormousmoonboots wrote...

Castanea wrote...

Sialater wrote...

Gar_Logan wrote...

Umanix wrote...
I'm currently trying to work on a fan comic detailing Garrus leaving C-Sec behind for Omega and am trying to come up with a good, believable reason as for why he'd do so without making him seem renegade.


I was going to write a fic for that...but I'm focusing on a larger ME project at the moment. My idea for him was his first case (after the Citadel attack,) (also his last case) got personal. Lots of crap happened, C-Sec officers died, and the Council takes him off. Gives command over to a Spectre. Strike one. Garrus goes after baddies by himself, and succeeds while barely escaping for his life. He's punished and, (subsequently denied Spectre status if Shep had gone renegade. This may seem weird to some people, but the Council expects Spectre's to fall their orders to a degree.) Strike three and four would be Shepard ending up dead and the Council then slandering his name and his warnings against the Reapers.

Those are just my thoughts. The slandering would need some background in order to make an impact. If you need any more ideas, I gotz more. ^_^



That's a hell of an eventful month.


Something I never really got: Did Garrus go back to C-Sec immediatly after end of ME1? Or did he remain with Shepard for a while? Certain conversations in the game have hinted at both and it confuses me. :unsure:

I think he went straight back to C-Sec, if only because you can catch a glimpse of several familiar NPCs (like Chakwas) jumping into the escape pods, but no Garrus. It's always been my thought that events went like Sovereign > Garrus leaves Normandy before geth-hunting assignment > Collector attack > Alliance/Council are massive dicks re: Shepard and Reapers > Garrus ragequits and leaves to become a superhero.


OK, THIS made me giggle.

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Gerse1 wrote...

Castanea wrote...

Something I never really got: Did Garrus go back to C-Sec immediatly after end of ME1? Or did he remain with Shepard for a while? Certain conversations in the game have hinted at both and it confuses me. :unsure:


I am still confused about this too.  I agree that different lines in the game have given me both impressions.  I wish I could remember the specific lines, but I can't now. Jacob (I think) early on in the game specifically names that Liara and Tali were on the Normandy when it was attacked, but that doesn't mean Garrus/Wrex were not.  There is some other person, later,  who refers simply to "the aliens who were on the Normandy" doing...something.  Gah. Obviously we know both Garrus and Wrex eventually moved on to something else but it's not clear if it was immediately after Saren, or what. 


With Wrex it is easy to imagine him going straight back to Tuchanka after ME1.  With Garrus, it's a little less clear why he would want to go back to C-Sec before Shepard's death.  Obviously after the Normandy was destroyed he would have had to go somewhere and for paragon'd Garrus, C-Sec makes sense (now I can't even remember if he does something different for renegades).  But in the few weeks or so between the Citadel battle and the destruction of the Normandy, when they were running around fighting geth, I can easily see Garrus sticking around (even with manShep or no secret romantic feelings and all that, just plain ol' vanilla canon) just for the continued fun of adventuring, doing some good for the galaxy by killing the geth, but under a Spectre who isn't fettered by rules/regulations -- basically the same reason he joined up in the first place.

Anyway, so I guess my vote is that it seems logical for him to have stayed on the Normandy for a while based on his character/motivations, but based on the what the game *actually* tells us, it seems less likely he stayed, which is where the contradiction is coming from.  If he had stayed on, you'd also think he would have dialoge about "when we were attacked" or something.  And Dr. Michel refers to "when he found out you had died." Which implies he wasn't around at the time.  Even then though you could find away around that -- maybe the people in the escape pods didn't immediately know whether Shep, Joker, etc, had escaped or not, all they could see was things getting blown up out the window.


EDIT: @ moonboots,   yes there is also the fact that we don't see him jumping into the escape pods (but I don't recall specifically seeing Tali or Liara either and we know they were there) but that may not be so reliable, since they were trying to keep him a secret for the Archangel mission, maybe???? (which wouldn't make sense since it's earlier in time and wouldn't give it away...but they didn't have him in any of the marketing, where simple shots of him fighting wouldn't necessarily spoil the surprise of his alter ego either so....*shrug*).

Honestly, I would rather they just come out and say he is in ME3 from the start of their promotions, so we can get some nice hi-res movies and trailers, and also so we don't have to worry so much this time :pinched:


I actually think he wasn't on the ship.  I think Shep left him behind on the Citadel to either rejoin C-Sec or start his Spectre training. 

In the middle of said training/rejoining, he finds out about your death, and the coverups and does his temper tantrum and heads out for Omega to become Batman.

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Also, it seemed to me that the geth-hunting trip was much more Alliance/Council-directed than the Saren-fighting trip; it makes sense that the more 'unorthodox' crew members would be shuffled off, especially if they had more immediate concerns (Wrex and Garrus). It seems like Tali should be included under that too, but I do recall Jacob saying 'aliens', plural. At any rate, Dr. Michel's lines do indicate that he had to hear about dead Shep from somewhere else.

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I'm positive Garrus wasn't on the Normandy when it was destroyed. Almost all the dialogue points to him finding out about it later.



*also, get this thread back on the first page dammit.

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I had a rough day but this made it all better:

http://pics.livejour...ek/pic/000826ez

Aimo art... for yours truly (of Philo Shepard and Garrus, hehehe). <3 I loves it!

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Castanea wrote...

@Batman comment.

-Is waiting for someone to photoshop Garrus' face onto a Batman picture, knows it's coming- :ph34r:


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Would a photoshop of Batman onto Garrus suffice?