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[Cerrydd]

SPOOOOIIIIILERSSSSSSSSSS!!!!

silentstephi wrote...

It's too hard to justify. WHO THOUGHT IT WAS A GOOD IDEA TO HOOK A GUY WHO BY DEFINITION IS NOT ABLE TO COMMUNICATE WITH PEOPLE UP AS THE ROBOT JESUS TO CONTROL ROBOTS?!?!?!?1
WTF?!
Cerberus FAILS, so freakin' HARD.

I know, it really give me a bad taste in my mouth. He kept pleading to make it stop. He's autistic, many autists are sensitive to outside stimuli because it is overwhelming. Just imagine what it would be like for David to hear all those geth talk at the same time . Cerberus fails at everything. When the dormant geth wake up, you hear the intercom lady say reminding the (already dead) employees are not allowed to talk about what happened/what went wrong. Who knows how many sick projects never got to see the daylight? For a pro-human organisation, Cerberus pretty much fails to protect a lot of humans. I'm paragon, but I wouldn't have any problem with putting a hole in TIM's head.

I think Garrus would also be disgusted by this. <---- Garrus related!

Modifié par Cerrydd, 16 juin 2010 - 06:47 .

[Sialater]

Cerrydd wrote...

SPOOOOIIIIILERSSSSSSSSSS!!!!

silentstephi wrote...

It's too hard to justify. WHO THOUGHT IT WAS A GOOD IDEA TO HOOK A GUY WHO BY DEFINITION IS NOT ABLE TO COMMUNICATE WITH PEOPLE UP AS THE ROBOT JESUS TO CONTROL ROBOTS?!?!?!?1
WTF?!
Cerberus FAILS, so freakin' HARD.

I know, it really give me a bad taste in my mouth. He kept pleading to make it stop. He's autistic, many autists are sensitive to outside stimuli because it is overwhelming. Just imagine what it would be like for David to hear all those geth talk at the same time . Cerberus fails at everything. When the dormant geth wake up, you hear the intercom lady say reminding the (already dead) employees are not allowed to talk about what happened/what went wrong. Who knows how many sick projects never got to see the daylight? For a pro-human organisation, Cerberus pretty much fails to protect a lot of humans. I'm paragon, but I wouldn't have any problem with putting a hole in TIM's head.

I think Garrus would also be disgusted by this. <---- Garrus related!

Given his reaction to Pragia, I agree.

[silentstephi]

Cerberus does go out of it's way to show how sick and twisted humans can get.

Honestly... like, I'm starting to get sick and tired of the showing off of sick and twisted humans. You can't tell me it's just limited to just the human race.

What do the turians do to justify progress? The salarians? The asari? Elcor? Hanar (lawl, don't get me started) or even volus?



The sick and twisted human organization is getting old. I'm going to start to wonder why a Renegade would want to espouse the awesome that is humanity if we keep getting exposed to the depravity it's capable of. At least without seeing the other sides of the coins. (And for the record, considering the batarians are full blown proponents of slavery, they don't count. We've seen their malfunction. Give us the rest of the galaxies sickening disgustingness. )

[Sialater]

silentstephi wrote...

Cerberus does go out of it's way to show how sick and twisted humans can get.
Honestly... like, I'm starting to get sick and tired of the showing off of sick and twisted humans. You can't tell me it's just limited to just the human race.
What do the turians do to justify progress? The salarians? The asari? Elcor? Hanar (lawl, don't get me started) or even volus?

The sick and twisted human organization is getting old. I'm going to start to wonder why a Renegade would want to espouse the awesome that is humanity if we keep getting exposed to the depravity it's capable of. At least without seeing the other sides of the coins. (And for the record, considering the batarians are full blown proponents of slavery, they don't count. We've seen their malfunction. Give us the rest of the galaxies sickening disgustingness. )

Yeah, it can't just be the batarians and the humans that are the scum of the universe.

[Fia_Bobia]

silentstephi wrote...

Cerberus does go out of it's way to show how sick and twisted humans can get.
Honestly... like, I'm starting to get sick and tired of the showing off of sick and twisted humans. You can't tell me it's just limited to just the human race.
What do the turians do to justify progress? The salarians? The asari? Elcor? Hanar (lawl, don't get me started) or even volus?

The sick and twisted human organization is getting old. I'm going to start to wonder why a Renegade would want to espouse the awesome that is humanity if we keep getting exposed to the depravity it's capable of. At least without seeing the other sides of the coins. (And for the record, considering the batarians are full blown proponents of slavery, they don't count. We've seen their malfunction. Give us the rest of the galaxies sickening disgustingness. )

THIS.
THANK YOU.

[Kim Shepard]

I just finished watching the Paragon ending on youtube. If anyone can find the Renegade ending, I'd like to see it.

A few of my Shepards would side with Cerberus on this one, but I guess I have more evil Shepards than you guys. xD

[ciaweth]

I think they've been very, very clear that all species do sick and twisted things, and rationalize it as necessity.



- The female krogan on that medical table on Tuchanka is an example, although they kept her covered (likely because they didn't want to have to make a female krogan model just for that scene).



- Salarian medical experiments get a fair amount of play.



- The hanar compact with the drell is shady, to say the least. If you're going to "save" a species and start training up its children to do your dirty assassination work, maybe you should put a little elbow grease into finding a cure for Kepral's Syndrome, too.



- If you want to see brutal, check out the Cerberus Daily News updates on what the turians are doing to their own right now.



So we're not getting graphic pictures of people's eyelids being held open, but the ugliness is there.

[silentstephi]

It's there in tiny little incriments though. SO far, we've had the humanity angle shoved down our pie holes.



Ah well, maybe it's because it's humans, therefore easier to understand.

Yes, the hanar/drell situation to me SCREAMS of shady... especially since it's been about 200 yrs... they only took about a 100K... where's the recolonization efforts there, hrm?



The turians in the CNN have been interesting, but the salarians get kind of glossed over, and Illum doesn't make up for making the asari feel "dirty". It's kind of like Omega: you expect shady there, it's not something that's shocking. But where are the asari sick experiments or culture shock or what not?



And while yea, sure David's little ending picture there was pretty freaky... totally NOT what pissed me off about it.

The whole situation just oooozes creep factor. Makes me really think that TIM is just a Reaper toy (ok, so it doesn't really, but still. Gah.)

[ciaweth]

Also, Garrus. I lol'd when he shot that mech.

[danitiwa]

Get this, how about not judging an entire species based on a few characteristics? if the species thinks in a humanoid manner they're all bound to be different, have different interests, some will be good and some will be bad. Some are shady and some are vigilante-like. The Hanar are no exception even though they all have the same voice, the ones we meet in ME are all different in what they want and what they're doing.They'll have different personalities that conflict, BECAUSE THAT IS HOW INDIVIDUALITY WORKS. Even if the hanar do have a lot of things in common that's because they're the same species, but they're all different.

I get a little frustrated when batarians go on about humans being evil in ME2, which is why I think humans shouldn't be biassed towards aliens either. (This is the reason Ashley pisses me off. At least Presley realizes that not all aliens are creepy/bad, I don't think Ashley changes her views by the end of the game at all.)

It's kind of like gay people, people all assume all of them are the same, but that's a load of ****.

Modifié par danitiwa, 16 juin 2010 - 08:08 .

[Kim Shepard]

When I saw David, it reminded me of the next ME novel. The picture on the cover was very similar.

I haven't seen Garrus shoot the mech, but I didn't watch the whole thing. From what I saw, I figured most of the important stuff was towards the end. A lot of what I watched was just gameplay. Is that scene in the Renegade ending?

[Kotori Ky]

Just something to remember: These games are human centric. They're focused on how humans come out and become big players. There's a limited amount you can fit into any one game before it becomes just too damn big. Now consider that CERBERUS is a main player in that and a key point in ME2, and that is why we have a lot of the Cerberus bad stuff going on. Also, the Bataraian issues relate directly to humanity. As much as we learn about the other cultures and species, the game is focused on the human angle.



Besides, we see a little of the dark side of the Salarians with Mordin's loyalty mission and what his student was willing to do to further research. It isn't a TOTAL one-way street. And since we're the good guys, we SEEK OUT the corrupt and bad elements that humanity is offering. We're not playing the game to go to the bachelor parties that we introduce aliens to, or the sharing of culture and ideas in lectures and meetings... Tis the nature of the game.



Also, if you follow the CDN you would see the brutality of the Turians in dealing with things when necessary. Just yesterday they flat out said they would go door to door and shoot any person still there as an enemy combatant. I think that counts as a 'o0 holy crap' moment.

[silentstephi]

Individuality only gets you so far though. I mean, sure, the individuals of a species are going to be slightly different from the norm, however, stereotypes exist. They have yet to play to any of the negative stereotypes of a lot of the established species. If they expound on the Hanar/Drell situation in ME3, I will be in HEAVEN. Like, for realz, that is just a festering gob of darkness just WAITING to explode.

But I think we'll be too busy dealing with, you know, REAPERS EVERYWHERE. Y.Y

___



Garrus shooting the mech is just a bit of lulz when you wrap up the Vulcan station. It's if you DON'T take the Renegade interrupt. XD

Totally different from the whole segment's ending. You actually don't have your squaddies with you then. It's just Shep and Archer (and it KILLS ME that Loghain is VAing that guy. KILLS ME.) David sounds like Veetor... but I'm not positive. Might just be the speech pattern.

[silentstephi]

Ky, yea I need to read up some more on the CNN stuff. I usually just wait for the LJ comm to give me the wrap up every Saturday, but it seems I'm missing a lot.

[Cerrydd]

Sialater wrote...

Given his reaction to Pragia, I agree.

Yeah, that's what I based it upon. Get the job done - sure, but not like this. I have yet to play the renegade ending with my manShep, but geez, I already know I'll have a hard time picking that option. I think I'll do it for science and reload again, because the renegade option is completely senseless. TIM is a greedy impatient bastard and Cerberus really needs to go. <_<

I'm sure Garrus would disapprove greatly of this project, but I wonder if there's any squadmate that would think the renegade option would be the right thing to do.

[danitiwa]

My post was shifted in the wrong direction, I should probably read back before posting to know what I'm replying to.

[Xsause]

Kotori Ky wrote...

Also, if you follow the CDN you would see the brutality of the Turians in dealing with things when necessary. Just yesterday they flat out said they would go door to door and shoot any person still there as an enemy combatant. I think that counts as a 'o0 holy crap' moment.

I just read that.

It really creeped me out.

The report in question:

Tonight, the ground war on Taetrus enters a new phase; citizen resistance. Military duty is the turian qualification for citizenship; as such, an invading force expects most turians to resist. The average turian family keeps military-issue small arms in their home, and demolitions training teaches citizens how to create
homemade firebombs that can blind a tank or force the crew to abandon it.
Earlier today, General Partinax announced the colonialist strategy for suppressing citizen militias: first, they will establish “safe camps” within the cities, a traditional turian tactic that incentivizes surrender; then, the invaders will go house-to-house and shoot virtually everyone who remains as a combatant. “Those are our terms”, Partinax said in the press conference. “There will be no deviation.”

Modifié par Xsause, 16 juin 2010 - 08:44 .

[silentstephi]

I just read it.



Wow. Deliciously barbaric, doncha think?

*is evil, I know*

Still... makes me wonder if Harby wasn't too far off when he called them... too primitive? XD

[Kotori Ky]

No. Coldly and militaristically(is that a real word? Well, it is now..) logical, given that he's dealing with an entire population brought up with military training. Not primitive... just... not nice.

[silentstephi]

^.^

Still, need to know why they're considered too primitive. /gnaws on Harby



And Ky, I get what you're saying, that it's human centric because, well, it's a game for one and it's being played by us for too. I guess it's a kudos to the writers skills that they want us knowing more about the REST of the galaxy in all these diverse ways.

But still, it's making it the case for Cerberus worse and worse by the minute, to the point where I seriously hope you are NOT working with them by ME3. If you ahve to fight Cerberus AND the Reapers come the finale, then so be it, but that organization needs to be put down.

[Kim Shepard]

I haven't read the Cerberus news (maybe I should start), but that sounds like something the turians would do. The ME Wiki says they use the concept of total war, right? There's some nice extra information about turian families and citizens in that quote too.

I don't think the turians are primitive at all. Just a little ruthless. It reminds me of Saren.

silentstephi wrote...

Garrus shooting the mech is just a bit of lulz when you wrap up the Vulcan station. It's if you DON'T take the Renegade interrupt. XD
Totally different from the whole segment's ending. You actually don't have your squaddies with you then. It's just Shep and Archer (and it KILLS ME that Loghain is VAing that guy. KILLS ME.) David sounds like Veetor... but I'm not positive. Might just be the speech pattern.

Thanks, now I know where to look for it. That's right, I didn't see the squadmates at the end.

Archer and Loghain have the same voice? I didn't notice the similarity, but I haven't heard Loghain talk in months. I'm playing DA again though, so my mage will get to meet him soon.

[Kotori Ky]

I KNEW that Archer sounded like someone other than the Quarian(I argue he sounded similar to the Admiral in favor of fighting than to Tali's father, but I could be wrong...). Yeah, he's Loghain. XD



Yes, Turians use the concept of Total War to the T. If the council hadn't stepped in they would have gone hell bent for leather for the humans. Just because that's what they do. I wasn't SURPRISED to read what his game plan was... just a bit 'wow, really? Well.... okay'



And I HIGHLY DOUBT that we'll be working for Cerberus come ME3. If you Paragon the ending you tell TIM to shove it. I don't know about Renegade... I've never agreed with TIM on anything... even my Renegadeon was like 'F you, this thing blows'. I just don't forsee Shepard working for him come ME3. But eh. :\\



I know that he's DAMN lucky I don't know where he is, because if I did... at the end of Overlord I'd be flying there to shove those metal tubes down his throat before shoving a Dragon's Tooth up his rear and feeding him to a pack of Varren. >:|

[silentstephi]

Kim Shepard wrote...
Archer and Loghain have the same voice? I didn't notice the similarity, but I haven't heard Loghain talk in months. I'm playing DA again though, so my mage will get to meet him soon.

Archer = Loghain and the Pro Geth War admiral.  Can't remember his name.

[Kotori Ky]

Han Garel?

[Xsause]

Yep, it's Admiral Han'Gerrel vas Neema.