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[Sialater]

Meta Ray Mek wrote...

I had a rough day but this made it all better:

http://pics.livejour...ek/pic/000826ez

Aimo art... for yours truly (of Philo Shepard and Garrus, hehehe). I loves it!

I Aimo. 

Jacob says Tali and Liara were on the ship.  And I think Tali mentions it herself.

[Castanea]

mariosonic wrote...

Castanea wrote...

@Batman comment.

-Is waiting for someone to photoshop Garrus' face onto a Batman picture, knows it's coming-

Would a photoshop of Batman onto Garrus suffice?

I KNEW IT!

[Gerse1]

Gar_Logan wrote...

I'm positive Garrus wasn't on the Normandy when it was destroyed. Almost all the dialogue points to him finding out about it later.

*also, get this thread back on the first page dammit.

Yeah, I agree the evidence seems to point that way, but I guess I'm just not satisfied with why he went straight back to C-Sec from a character/plot point of view. Unless they literally kicked him off b/c he wasn't Alliance, but then as we've said, why would Tali and Liara get to stay? Liara has nothing else to do but shouldn't Tali be getting back to the fleet now that she's done with her pilgrimage?  Just seems Garrus's reasons for staying or leaving were no stronger than hers.  It makes me sad to think they parted ways so quickly.   But who knows, let's say the normandy hadn't been destroyed and/or Shep didn't die.  Presumably the Alliance or Cerberus or someone would decide it's a good idea to be fighting back against the collectors, which would put her right into team-forming-mode only 2 years sooner instead.  Conceivably she'd swing by the Citadel at some point and offer for Garrus to come with her.

Also just for clarification because I was confused about this way back in the earlier thread too -- does Garrus actually go to "spectre training" after ME1 for renegades? or is it C-Sec both ways?

[Gar_Logan]

Gerse1 wrote...

Gar_Logan wrote...

I'm positive Garrus wasn't on the Normandy when it was destroyed. Almost all the dialogue points to him finding out about it later.

*also, get this thread back on the first page dammit.

Yeah, I agree the evidence seems to point that way, but I guess I'm just not satisfied with why he went straight back to C-Sec from a character/plot point of view. Unless they literally kicked him off b/c he wasn't Alliance, but then as we've said, why would Tali and Liara get to stay? Liara has nothing else to do but shouldn't Tali be getting back to the fleet now that she's done with her pilgrimage?  Just seems Garrus's reasons for staying or leaving were no stronger than hers.  It makes me sad to think they parted ways so quickly.   But who knows, let's say the normandy hadn't been destroyed and/or Shep didn't die.  Presumably the Alliance or Cerberus or someone would decide it's a good idea to be fighting back against the collectors, which would put her right into team-forming-mode only 2 years sooner instead.  Conceivably she'd swing by the Citadel at some point and offer for Garrus to come with her.

Also just for clarification because I was confused about this way back in the earlier thread too -- does Garrus actually go to "spectre training" after ME1 for renegades? or is it C-Sec both ways?

He does try Spectre training, but he says it doesn't work out.

If I remember right, his reasons for traveling with Shepard in ME1 were, he was tired of C-Sec and wanted to see how a Spectre would do things. (Which is where you can persuade him renegade or paragon.) He also wants to stop Saren. You help Garrus know what he wants, and you stop Saren. I can't see why he'd want to stick around, at least long afterwards anyway.

[Sialater]

Gerse1 wrote...

Gar_Logan wrote...

I'm positive Garrus wasn't on the Normandy when it was destroyed. Almost all the dialogue points to him finding out about it later.

*also, get this thread back on the first page dammit.

Yeah, I agree the evidence seems to point that way, but I guess I'm just not satisfied with why he went straight back to C-Sec from a character/plot point of view. Unless they literally kicked him off b/c he wasn't Alliance, but then as we've said, why would Tali and Liara get to stay? Liara has nothing else to do but shouldn't Tali be getting back to the fleet now that she's done with her pilgrimage?  Just seems Garrus's reasons for staying or leaving were no stronger than hers.  It makes me sad to think they parted ways so quickly.   But who knows, let's say the normandy hadn't been destroyed and/or Shep didn't die.  Presumably the Alliance or Cerberus or someone would decide it's a good idea to be fighting back against the collectors, which would put her right into team-forming-mode only 2 years sooner instead.  Conceivably she'd swing by the Citadel at some point and offer for Garrus to come with her.

Also just for clarification because I was confused about this way back in the earlier thread too -- does Garrus actually go to "spectre training" after ME1 for renegades? or is it C-Sec both ways?

Well, if it was to get more training in either realm it's a good reason.  Especially if s/he planned to rerecruit him later.

Also, if you're of the impression he carried a torch for  FemShep who was romancing Kaiden... I can see where getting the hell off the Normandy is a goal to be reached.

[Sialater]

Paragon = C-Sec



Renegade = Spectre

[Castanea]

Sialater wrote...

Gerse1 wrote...

Gar_Logan wrote...

I'm positive Garrus wasn't on the Normandy when it was destroyed. Almost all the dialogue points to him finding out about it later.

*also, get this thread back on the first page dammit.

Yeah, I agree the evidence seems to point that way, but I guess I'm just not satisfied with why he went straight back to C-Sec from a character/plot point of view. Unless they literally kicked him off b/c he wasn't Alliance, but then as we've said, why would Tali and Liara get to stay? Liara has nothing else to do but shouldn't Tali be getting back to the fleet now that she's done with her pilgrimage?  Just seems Garrus's reasons for staying or leaving were no stronger than hers.  It makes me sad to think they parted ways so quickly.   But who knows, let's say the normandy hadn't been destroyed and/or Shep didn't die.  Presumably the Alliance or Cerberus or someone would decide it's a good idea to be fighting back against the collectors, which would put her right into team-forming-mode only 2 years sooner instead.  Conceivably she'd swing by the Citadel at some point and offer for Garrus to come with her.

Also just for clarification because I was confused about this way back in the earlier thread too -- does Garrus actually go to "spectre training" after ME1 for renegades? or is it C-Sec both ways?

Well, if it was to get more training in either realm it's a good reason.  Especially if s/he planned to rerecruit him later.

Also, if you're of the impression he carried a torch for  FemShep who was romancing Kaiden... I can see where getting the hell off the Normandy is a goal to be reached.

Haha, I hope there's a big fight confrontation with the two if you romanced them both, in ME3. That would be amusing. :innocent:

[Sialater]

Castanea wrote...

Sialater wrote...

Gerse1 wrote...

Gar_Logan wrote...

I'm positive Garrus wasn't on the Normandy when it was destroyed. Almost all the dialogue points to him finding out about it later.

*also, get this thread back on the first page dammit.

Yeah, I agree the evidence seems to point that way, but I guess I'm just not satisfied with why he went straight back to C-Sec from a character/plot point of view. Unless they literally kicked him off b/c he wasn't Alliance, but then as we've said, why would Tali and Liara get to stay? Liara has nothing else to do but shouldn't Tali be getting back to the fleet now that she's done with her pilgrimage?  Just seems Garrus's reasons for staying or leaving were no stronger than hers.  It makes me sad to think they parted ways so quickly.   But who knows, let's say the normandy hadn't been destroyed and/or Shep didn't die.  Presumably the Alliance or Cerberus or someone would decide it's a good idea to be fighting back against the collectors, which would put her right into team-forming-mode only 2 years sooner instead.  Conceivably she'd swing by the Citadel at some point and offer for Garrus to come with her.

Also just for clarification because I was confused about this way back in the earlier thread too -- does Garrus actually go to "spectre training" after ME1 for renegades? or is it C-Sec both ways?

Well, if it was to get more training in either realm it's a good reason.  Especially if s/he planned to rerecruit him later.

Also, if you're of the impression he carried a torch for  FemShep who was romancing Kaiden... I can see where getting the hell off the Normandy is a goal to be reached.

Haha, I hope there's a big fight confrontation with the two if you romanced them both, in ME3. That would be amusing. :innocent:

Somewhere in this thread someone transcribed the argument between Ted and Barney over Robin in How I Met Your Mother.  I wish I could find it again.

[Chimervera]

Sialater wrote...

Paragon = C-Sec

Renegade = Spectre

Actually, when paragon'd he does both. I recorded it in my last ME1 playthrough, so I have a quote:

"Well I'm going back to C-Sec. I think I can make a difference there. I'll also re-apply for Spectre training - but I'll do it right. I won't compromise myself to get there. If the people I'm sworn to protect can't trust me, then I don't deserve to be the one protecting them."

[Sialater]

Chimervera wrote...

Sialater wrote...

Paragon = C-Sec

Renegade = Spectre

Actually, when paragon'd he does both. I recorded it in my last ME1 playthrough, so I have a quote:

"Well I'm going back to C-Sec. I think I can make a difference there. I'll also re-apply for Spectre training - but I'll do it right. I won't compromise myself to get there. If the people I'm sworn to protect can't trust me, then I don't deserve to be the one protecting them."

You know, I'd thought I heard that.  But everyone kept saying it was either/or so I doubted my memory.  Thank you for telling me I'm not nuts!  LOL

[Chimervera]

Sialater wrote...

You know, I'd thought I heard that.  But everyone kept saying it was either/or so I doubted my memory.  Thank you for telling me I'm not nuts!  LOL

No problem. I knew my obsessive recording of every piece of Garrus' dialogue would come in handy one day [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/tongue.png[/smilie]

Modifié par Chimervera, 07 mars 2010 - 01:03 .

[Sialater]

Chimervera wrote...

Sialater wrote...

You know, I'd thought I heard that.  But everyone kept saying it was either/or so I doubted my memory.  Thank you for telling me I'm not nuts!  LOL

No problem. I knew my obsessive recording of every piece of Garrus' dialogue would come in handy one day [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/tongue.png[/smilie]

It did!  I'm not crazy! 

[Gerse1]

Sialater wrote...

Gerse1 wrote...

Gar_Logan wrote...

I'm positive Garrus wasn't on the Normandy when it was destroyed. Almost all the dialogue points to him finding out about it later.

*also, get this thread back on the first page dammit.

Yeah, I agree the evidence seems to point that way, but I guess I'm just not satisfied with why he went straight back to C-Sec from a character/plot point of view. Unless they literally kicked him off b/c he wasn't Alliance, but then as we've said, why would Tali and Liara get to stay? Liara has nothing else to do but shouldn't Tali be getting back to the fleet now that she's done with her pilgrimage?  Just seems Garrus's reasons for staying or leaving were no stronger than hers.  It makes me sad to think they parted ways so quickly.   But who knows, let's say the normandy hadn't been destroyed and/or Shep didn't die.  Presumably the Alliance or Cerberus or someone would decide it's a good idea to be fighting back against the collectors, which would put her right into team-forming-mode only 2 years sooner instead.  Conceivably she'd swing by the Citadel at some point and offer for Garrus to come with her.

Also just for clarification because I was confused about this way back in the earlier thread too -- does Garrus actually go to "spectre training" after ME1 for renegades? or is it C-Sec both ways?

Well, if it was to get more training in either realm it's a good reason.  Especially if s/he planned to rerecruit him later.

Also, if you're of the impression he carried a torch for  FemShep who was romancing Kaiden... I can see where getting the hell off the Normandy is a goal to be reached.

Ahhh, very good point Sialater .   There's always a way to twist these things around to a positive...and even romances aside, I guess it makes more sense if as Gar Logan said he's off to get more training and it wasn't some sort of permanent-goodbye "maybe we'll see each other again" thing, rather an understanding that they would be in touch and Shep might tap him (hmm..double entendre) again if she needed another team (though I am confused about Spectre thing, since didn't he arleady try once and get rejected?  Wonder if the idea was Shep put in a good word for him after Saren?  Since don't you have to be nominated by another Spectre?  BUt if that the case you'd think one of them would mention it). 

[Gerse1]

Garrus dialogue about doing C-Sec and training

 

EDIT (like the 5th one, having issues):


nevermind.  Well, new question, at what point does he tell you that in ME1?  Sounds like post-game dialogue, if we had actually *had* that.  He tells you that before the battle with Saren?  I just don't remember his dialogue from that game well enough, I need to go find it on youtube or something b/c I don't think I could sit through the whole game again for a while.  

Modifié par Gerse1, 07 mars 2010 - 01:26 .

[Sialater]

@Gersei: He wasn't rejected from the Spectres, he dropped out when Papa Vakarian pitched a hissy fit over him. And Chimervera reminded me of the exact line if you Paragonned him after Saleon. It occurs in the after-convo.



"Well I'm going back to C-Sec. I think I can make a difference there. I'll also re-apply for Spectre training - but I'll do it right. I won't compromise myself to get there. If the people I'm sworn to protect can't trust me, then I don't deserve to be the one protecting them."





So yeah, on Omega, there were no civilian casualties.

[Castanea]

Random interjection that really has nothing to do with the previous conversations.

How many people think that Vakarian is one of the coolest names in the game?

[Chimervera]

Gerse1 wrote...

Well, new question, at what point does he tell you that in ME1?  Sounds like post-game dialogue, if we had actually *had* that.  He tells you that before the battle with Saren?  I just don't remember his dialogue from that game well enough, I need to go find it on youtube or something b/c I don't think I could sit through the whole game again for a while.  

He says it after the Dr. Saleon quest, and it's his last dialogue on the Normandy until after lockdown.

EDIT: @Castanea: Definitely! It just sounds so awesome. (No, I'm not biased. Who told you that? )

Modifié par Chimervera, 07 mars 2010 - 01:34 .

[Castanea]

Chimervera wrote...

Gerse1 wrote...

Well, new question, at what point does he tell you that in ME1?  Sounds like post-game dialogue, if we had actually *had* that.  He tells you that before the battle with Saren?  I just don't remember his dialogue from that game well enough, I need to go find it on youtube or something b/c I don't think I could sit through the whole game again for a while.  

He says it after the Dr. Saleon quest, and it's his last dialogue on the Normandy until after lockdown.

EDIT: @Castanea: Definitely! It just sounds so awesome. (No, I'm not biased. Who told you that? )

A bias in the Garrus fan thread? (Of course not )

[enormousmoonboots]

Most of the turian names are really cool-sounding; I think it's the Roman/Latin influence. There's just something badass about it (though it does remind me more than a little of Warhammer 40k's Imperium, which is...offputting).

[Brass_Buckles]

Hmmmm. I just got told (and I hadn't noticed this before) that the turian Executor is different in ME2; in ME1 it's Pallin.



Pallin shares a lot of the opinions that Garrus claims his father has. I thought someone here also mentioned that Garrus's father has recently retired as of ME2 (I don't remember that in any of the dialogue though...). What if Pallin is actually Garrus's father? We don't know for sure that Pallin is his last name, or that Garrus wears the same face markings as his father. He might be wearing his mother's markings, or his great-grandfather's, for all we know. If Pallin were Garrus's father, then we've all already met the guy.

[Ms Cherissa]

Castanea wrote...
Something I never really got: Did Garrus go back to C-Sec immediatly after end of ME1? Or did he remain with Shepard for a while? Certain conversations in the game have hinted at both and it confuses me.

It depends on how far into Paragon or Renegade your ME1 was, and how far into Paragon or Renegade conversations you went with Garrus. Either way, we know he wasn't on the Normandy about two months after the end of ME1 when the Normandy was destroyed by the Collectors.

[falco117]

Garrus for XO in ME 3

[MarginalBeast]

I'm 100% positive that Garrus wasn't on the Normandy when it crashed. Other characters mention him hearing about your death, not witnessing it firsthand. Plus, Jacob only mentions Tali and Liara--but probably because they were the only two mandatory aliens in ME1.

Shepard died 2 months after the events of ME1, right? It's possible that Garrus (and maybe even Wrex?) stayed for one month (or possibly a bit longer) to help Shepard and the gang fight geth and then left to go back to C-Sec and/or start Spectre training. He was probably quite eager to get started on at least one of those goals. Then a few weeks pass and Shepard dies.

Brass_Buckles wrote...

Hmmmm. I just got told (and I hadn't noticed this before) that the turian Executor is different in ME2; in ME1 it's Pallin.

Pallin
shares a lot of the opinions that Garrus claims his father has. I
thought someone here also mentioned that Garrus's father has recently
retired as of ME2 (I don't remember that in any of the dialogue
though...). What if Pallin is actually Garrus's father? We don't know
for sure that Pallin is his last name, or that Garrus wears the same
face markings as his father. He might be wearing his mother's markings,
or his great-grandfather's, for all we know. If Pallin were Garrus's
father, then we've all already met the guy.

The ME wiki says that his full name is Venari Pallin. So he isn't Garrus' dad, unless turians take the names of their mothers.

Plus, I thought his father was already retired before ME1 even started.

Modifié par MarginalBeast, 07 mars 2010 - 02:25 .