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[silentstephi]

The wait... is horrendous.

I need more story to fill my day. : /

So I'll just finish up some more loyalty missions on my Engi.

BK continues to be awesome. xD

And I think my brain is in a bit of a Garrus shock, so I'm going to let it stew.

Oh and I think I need to calm down. tried playing System Shock 2 (husband loves it, and it sounds fun) but I was getting too damn frustrated with it.

On the one hand, immersion games are pretty cool.

On the other hand, I hate immersion that makes you AFRAID TO FREAKIN' DIE.

: / The hub doesn't get it. He's all like "but you respawn!" and I'm like THAT'S NOT THE POINT. -.-

[Nilfalasiel]

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

I also had Garrus shoot that mech, but I was unsure what happened.  I think I waited too late for the renegade interrupt and so he shot the mech or did I order him to shoot the mech via the renegade interrupt?  I couldn't tell.  That whole sequence is weird.  Plus, why is shooting mechs renegade anyway?  Never understood that.  Also did anyone else get the bit where the squaddies freak out and pound on the door as Shepard stumbles away all infected with VI whatnot?  That was a nice touch, wall-pounding Garrus always is.

Welcome back!

Garrus (or whoever is in your left-hand party slot) shoots the mech if you don't take the interrupt. It's probably considered a Renegade interrupt because the mech is helpless at that point (no arms left), so it's technically harmless.

And yes, the door-clawing moment happens every time as well. The first person at the door is the right-hand slot squaddie this time. So if you want Garrus to shoot the mech and claw at the door, you need to make sure he's in the left-hand slot for the first event and the right-hand slot for the second one.

[Andaius20]

Nilfalasiel wrote...

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

I also had Garrus shoot that mech, but I was unsure what happened.  I think I waited too late for the renegade interrupt and so he shot the mech or did I order him to shoot the mech via the renegade interrupt?  I couldn't tell.  That whole sequence is weird.  Plus, why is shooting mechs renegade anyway?  Never understood that.  Also did anyone else get the bit where the squaddies freak out and pound on the door as Shepard stumbles away all infected with VI whatnot?  That was a nice touch, wall-pounding Garrus always is.

Welcome back!

Garrus (or whoever is in your left-hand party slot) shoots the mech if you don't take the interrupt. It's probably considered a Renegade interrupt because the mech is helpless at that point (no arms left), so it's technically harmless.

And yes, the door-clawing moment happens every time as well. The first person at the door is the right-hand slot squaddie this time. So if you want Garrus to shoot the mech and claw at the door, you need to make sure he's in the left-hand slot for the first event and the right-hand slot for the second one.

A Tali replacement of Shepard doing the renegade interupt your talking about.

[Brass_Buckles]

Speaking of ME3, does anyone know when it's supposed to be released? Has it already been announced? I'm seeing a lot of mentions on it in this thread lately.

Meanwhile, during my replay of ME1, I've finally (after side-questing to my heart's content) arrived at Noveria. I'd forgotten how hilarious Lorik Qu'in is. Poor guy, no one will drink with him! If it were me I'd sit and have a chat with the old turian. He'd probably have a few interesting stories to tell. Of course the moment he started flirting like a dirty old man, I'd be outta there. And Lilihierax actually smiles at you if you ask him about himself. I don't know if he's happy you care enough to ask or if he's flattered because he thinks 'that human is flirting with me.'

In my replay of ME1, I've also noticed that Garrus is inclined to pipe up with commentary a lot. I had forgotten that he did that, and I don't think anyone else does. It sort of lays the groundwork for his similar tendency in ME2. Clearly he never was one for authority because I don't think a good turian would pipe up with commentary after his commander had spoken her peace.

During this replay, I've come to the conclusion, too, that Tali probably dislikes Garrus. There's no brother/sister type teasing there in ME2. He says some very insensitive and cruel things to her regarding quarians and the geth (frankly he's insensitive to pretty much everyone at that point--he seems to have learned better by ME2). I think maybe he's trying to be friendly in ME2 to make up for it, but he's already given Tali a horrible first impression. They may be friends in ME3 or by the end of ME2, but their staircase conversation probably isn't friendly given their history.

Edited to add:  Oh and Stephi, I think I've found another turian face tattoo/paint for your database, if you don't already have him.  The turian who goes to visit the refund turian in ME1, if you look closely, has his entire face painted in a glossy light green.  (You know the one, he actually gets his refund while the human guy is still pouting that he doesn't get his.)  I don't think there's any real pattern; his entire face is simply painted over.  It took me a moment to realize that, but I thought there was something odd about the texture of his face.  Turians don't usually gleam like that, and I haven't ever seen a green turian (brown and gray, but no green).

Modifié par Brass_Buckles, 20 juin 2010 - 07:02 .

[Nilfalasiel]

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

Huh, how odd.  I always pick Garrus first and he both shot the mech and clawed at the door.  Have you guys noticed that sometimes it seems like the computer randomly rotates your squaddies regardless of who you pick first?  I know this happens in the finale sequence in the suicide mission.  It also seems to happen when you talk to Shiala on Ilium.  A lot of times the person I want in the first slot magically appears in the second slot there.  It's bizarre.

Yeah, the computer rotates your squaddies when you reload, either after you die or if you want to do something differently. Sometimes, it'll also default a squaddie to the left-hand slot, regardless of the order you choose them in. Eg. during Thane's recruitment, if you bring Miranda, she'll be in the left-hand slot, whether you pick her first or second. I know this because she overrode Garrus' dialogue with Shep about the elevator not coming down empty the first time I did that mission, and no amount of reloading ever put her in the right-hand slot. Another example: in Overlord, if you pick Legion as a squaddie, it'll also default to the left-hand slot, regardless if you pick it first or second. At least, it happened that way on Atlas station for me, dunno about the other stations, since I had Kasumi there instead.

Concerning Garrus and Tali, I never got the brother/sister vibe from them that some people seem to get. Heck, not even the BFF vibe, but that's mostly due to the fact that I've never had them in a party together in ME1 and have thus missed out on their convos. Yes, they have the camaraderie that comes from working together and they're probably less antagonistic than at the beginning of ME1 (where Garrus says inconsiderate things to her), but I don't think Tali likes him all that much.

A question for those who are currently replaying ME1 or have recently replayed it: it is possible to visit the Wards on the Citadel before your first visit to the Council (and therefore, before first meeting Garrus), right?  

Modifié par Nilfalasiel, 20 juin 2010 - 07:25 .

[Andaius20]

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

Nilfalasiel wrote...

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

I also had Garrus shoot that mech, but I was unsure what happened.  I think I waited too late for the renegade interrupt and so he shot the mech or did I order him to shoot the mech via the renegade interrupt?  I couldn't tell.  That whole sequence is weird.  Plus, why is shooting mechs renegade anyway?  Never understood that.  Also did anyone else get the bit where the squaddies freak out and pound on the door as Shepard stumbles away all infected with VI whatnot?  That was a nice touch, wall-pounding Garrus always is.

Welcome back!

Garrus (or whoever is in your left-hand party slot) shoots the mech if you don't take the interrupt. It's probably considered a Renegade interrupt because the mech is helpless at that point (no arms left), so it's technically harmless.

And yes, the door-clawing moment happens every time as well. The first person at the door is the right-hand slot squaddie this time. So if you want Garrus to shoot the mech and claw at the door, you need to make sure he's in the left-hand slot for the first event and the right-hand slot for the second one.

Huh, how odd.  I always pick Garrus first and he both shot the mech and clawed at the door.  Have you guys noticed that sometimes it seems like the computer randomly rotates your squaddies regardless of who you pick first?  I know this happens in the finale sequence in the suicide mission.  It also seems to happen when you talk to Shiala on Ilium.  A lot of times the person I want in the first slot magically appears in the second slot there.  It's bizarre.

Everytime you reload your game they get Randomized. they might also get randomized if you pass loadign screens to ne areas too.

[Collider]

Garrus did have some things to say about the Quarians in the elevator conversations, yes. I think this is because it's hard to put yourself in another person's shoes. I think some of the misconceptions that the galaxy placed upon Quarians was because of this reason: they didn't really know how it was like to forever wandering and never having a place to call home. And they don't really know how it's like to the galaxy's pariahs. In some way, this is like how the rest of the galaxy viewed the Genophage - those who are not Krogan themselves may be less sympathetic to the plight involved.

But I think by the time ME1 ends, they're starting to warm up to each other and understand each other.

Tali: Garrus – if you do not mind me asking – how do you feel about hunting a Turian?
Garrus: Saren is either a traitor or a madman. Taking him down will restore the good name of Turians everywhere.
Tali: Things are different among my people. There are so few of us. We are expected to be loyal, even when it is difficult.
--
Garrus: Your choice in armor is awfully limited, Tali. Couldn’t you wear something without a helmet?
Tali: No. Living in the clean environment of the flotilla has weakened our immune systems. The environmental suits protect against diseases.
Garrus: So your people are forever wandering, and now they couldn’t settle if they wanted to. I’m sorry.
--

So in essence, after spending some time with a Quarian (Tali), Garrus is sorry and sympathetic for what the Quarians are condemned to.

The reason I kind of see them as a "brother and sister" relationship is that they seem to be friends but there's still light hearted quarreling and jokes. Garrus teases her, Tali threatens that she has a shotgun. I think it's the fact that they know each other and (at least somewhat) friends that Garrus feels comfortable joking with her. So far as being friends go, there's reminiscing about the ME1 days chasing after Saren.

For example, if you mod the game and get Tali early, and you task her to stay with Garrus, she accepts and says something like "Just like old times." Contrast that with some of the other responses. Jacob, for example, is reluctant and says like "Well, if that's what you want, Commander..." Tali also  references Garrus in a conversation with Bailey, too. So basically, they fight with each other like a brother and sister would but are actually friends or at least on good/decent terms. Certainly not "BFF" status, but that's okay.

Modifié par Collider, 20 juin 2010 - 07:38 .

[Nilfalasiel]

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

Maybe I'm just paranoid, but it seems like a lot of those "default" rotations usually involve LIs namely Miranda, Thane, and Tali getting put in front of other characters so they are more likely to perform certain animations or say certain lines. Is that just me or have other people also noticed something like this? It is especially bad during the suicide mission. Pretty much don't bring Tali or Miranda with you if you want Garrus to do anything interesting there. It's also a little annoying. Why can't they just let me pick who I want where? I picked Garrus first for a reason you know.

Hmm, I've never noticed Thane or Tali being "defaulted". I noticed Miranda, because she made me miss a line I wanted to hear (Shepard actually answering Garrus during that elevator dialogue; don't think she ever does that with another squaddie). And Legion in Overlord, because I was trying to get Garrus to claw at the door and was thus paying attention to positioning.

It probably happens with other characters as well though. I'll pay close attention during my next playthrough.

@ Collider: Yeah, but that teasing convo she had with Garrus in ME2 didn't exactly strike me as all that friendly. Yes, Garrus was teasing, but Tali didn't sound amused. And when she said "I have a shotgun", Garrus didn't laugh. If he had known that it was being said jokingly, he would probably at least have chuckled, no?

Modifié par Nilfalasiel, 20 juin 2010 - 07:41 .

[Collider]

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

Maybe I'm just paranoid, but it seems like a lot of those "default" rotations usually involve LIs namely Miranda, Thane, and Tali getting put in front of other characters so they are more likely to perform certain animations or say certain lines. Is that just me or have other people also noticed something like this? It is especially bad during the suicide mission. Pretty much don't bring Tali or Miranda with you if you want Garrus to do anything interesting there. It's also a little annoying. Why can't they just let me pick who I want where? I picked Garrus first for a reason you know.

Actually I've never seen anything like this. For the most part who does what depends on what slot you place them in. But it's not always like that. 

In the Overlord DLC where I had Tali and Garrus with me, Garrus always did the 'scratching at the door" animation, even when I switched the slots.

So yea, generally speaking, if you see the second squad mate doing an animation that Garrus isn't, all you need to do is switch Garrus to the second slot. I've tested this and it's almost always like this.

[Andaius20]

I totally agree with collider on this one.

[Nilfalasiel]

Collider wrote...

So yea, generally speaking, if you see the second squad mate doing an animation that Garrus isn't, all you need to do is switch Garrus to the second slot. I've tested this and it's almost always like this.

No amount of switching could make Miranda go into the right-hand slot during Thane's recruitment. I tried restarting the mission from the beginning (ie. going through the squad-selection screen and picking her first or second), saving and reloading: she was always in the left-hand slot. I then tested it with Jack, and she switched slots every time I reloaded. So there's gotta be some other factor at work there.

Modifié par Nilfalasiel, 20 juin 2010 - 07:46 .

[Mentatzoee]

So here's a doubt:

I've always romanced Garrus as soon as I could in my two playthroughs, even if afterwards I went to check on Thane or Jacob (just by curiosity). At some point, Jacob told my FemShep that Garrus would appreciate to know she was "branching out" (no way! Garrus is the one and only) and I thought: "Hey, it'd be nice to hear Garrus making her choose between him or the others!"

I think it'd be sweet to read, both as a fangirl and to make their story something more than a one-night-stand RP-wise but I'm afraid I won't be able to even try to hit on Garrus if I've started a romance with Jacob or Thane.



What do you know about this? Is it possible? Does Garrus say anything? Or because all of the "you can find something closer to home" story he won't even try if Shepard's been flirting with a human?



(Of course, I'm not that sure I'd be able to wait till Thane without hitting on Garrus, so it'll have to be Jacob. I'd never romance him anyway -nor Thane, even if he's got a higher score-, so... No big deal here!)

[Collider]

Nilfalasiel wrote...

Collider wrote...

So yea, generally speaking, if you see the second squad mate doing an animation that Garrus isn't, all you need to do is switch Garrus to the second slot. I've tested this and it's almost always like this.

No amount of switching could make Miranda go into the right-hand slot during Thane's recruitment. I tried restarting the mission from the beginning (ie. going through the squad-selection screen and picking her first or second), saving and reloading: she was always in the left-hand slot. I then tested it with Jack, and she switched slots every time I reloaded. So there's gotta be some other factor at work there.

True - but so far as the more generic animations go, it's usually what slot they are in. Some of the dialog depends on who you have with you, though. Dying and reloading also changes the slots.

[Kim Shepard]

Nilfalasiel wrote...

@ Kim Shepard: Ah ok, so you have to convince Teagan to hit on you, lol. I'm not sure it would work with anything other than a human though. Guess I'll try to find out on my next time through the game.

And yeah, the Hammerhead also comments if you simply ram into a cow. Something like "defenseless herbivores are no match for high-velocity missiles"  

I think it's the "Tell me about yourself" option, and then the persuade. And then this is the conversation that happens for a mage. www.youtube.com/watch I actually found it on youtube. xD

I heard that comment too, and the one that says, "The galactic humane society reminds you that animals are people too." I accidentally hit a few animals in ME1 with the Mako, and Wrex was the one who commented. I think he approved of my Shepard's horrible driving skills.

Also, I don't think it's possible to visit the Wards before your first visit to the Council in ME1. I tried to make my MaleShep go to the Wards because I forgot all about the Council meeting, but the entrances were closed off. I managed to find it on my map and everything... then I couldn't get in.

@ Mentatzoee: Garrus has special dialogue if Shepard tries to romance more than one person, something about not wanting to get caught in a love triangle. They always make you choose between them. If you choose Garrus over Jacob, he looks angry, calls Garrus a "cuttlebone", and says "I suppose you have a history." xD I don't know how much of it changes if you start Jacob's romance first, or Garrus' romance first - I've never tried it myself, so I only know it from this thread and youtube.

[Sialater]

Mentatzoee wrote...

So here's a doubt:
I've always romanced Garrus as soon as I could in my two playthroughs, even if afterwards I went to check on Thane or Jacob (just by curiosity). At some point, Jacob told my FemShep that Garrus would appreciate to know she was "branching out" (no way! Garrus is the one and only) and I thought: "Hey, it'd be nice to hear Garrus making her choose between him or the others!"
I think it'd be sweet to read, both as a fangirl and to make their story something more than a one-night-stand RP-wise but I'm afraid I won't be able to even try to hit on Garrus if I've started a romance with Jacob or Thane.

What do you know about this? Is it possible? Does Garrus say anything? Or because all of the "you can find something closer to home" story he won't even try if Shepard's been flirting with a human?

(Of course, I'm not that sure I'd be able to wait till Thane without hitting on Garrus, so it'll have to be Jacob. I'd never romance him anyway -nor Thane, even if he's got a higher score-, so... No big deal here!)

If you've progressed your romance with Thane to a certain point and are still flirting with Garrus, he tells you he doesn't want to be in a stupid love triangle.  

I'm trying very hard not to think he's going to dump my Shepard who went to him after Kaidan broke her heart after hearing this line.

[danitiwa]

Ohay guys, have a ****ty, fluffy scribble


@Garrus-Thane... AWWW, I hope you pick Garrus. XD It's good to see he has enough self-respect to want Shepard for himself.

Is it odd that I find that much more sweet than if he stayed in the love triangle?

Modifié par danitiwa, 20 juin 2010 - 08:18 .

[Collider]

Sialater wrote...

Mentatzoee wrote...

So here's a doubt:
I've always romanced Garrus as soon as I could in my two playthroughs, even if afterwards I went to check on Thane or Jacob (just by curiosity). At some point, Jacob told my FemShep that Garrus would appreciate to know she was "branching out" (no way! Garrus is the one and only) and I thought: "Hey, it'd be nice to hear Garrus making her choose between him or the others!"
I think it'd be sweet to read, both as a fangirl and to make their story something more than a one-night-stand RP-wise but I'm afraid I won't be able to even try to hit on Garrus if I've started a romance with Jacob or Thane.

What do you know about this? Is it possible? Does Garrus say anything? Or because all of the "you can find something closer to home" story he won't even try if Shepard's been flirting with a human?

(Of course, I'm not that sure I'd be able to wait till Thane without hitting on Garrus, so it'll have to be Jacob. I'd never romance him anyway -nor Thane, even if he's got a higher score-, so... No big deal here!)

If you've progressed your romance with Thane to a certain point and are still flirting with Garrus, he tells you he doesn't want to be in a stupid love triangle.  

I'm trying very hard not to think he's going to dump my Shepard who went to him after Kaidan broke her heart after hearing this line.

After Horizon, the impression I got was that Kaidan pretty much ended the relationship there - for the time being at least. I don't think - or at least I hope - that Kaidan wouldn't criticize Shepard for moving on. If you brought Garrus with you to Horizon, he certainly saw what happened there.

[danitiwa]

What does Kaidan say if you bring Garrus while you're unfaithful to him?

[RPGmom28]

If you can ignore the cringeworthy tone that Shepard uses with Jacob, the middle of the romance is sweet. You actually get to talk about how lonely you feel, and he shows empathy.

[Collider]

You can't do romances before Horizon (unless Kelly counts...? Never even bothered with her).

[Collider]

RPGmom28 wrote...

If you can ignore the cringeworthy tone that Shepard uses with Jacob, the middle of the romance is sweet. You actually get to talk about how lonely you feel, and he shows empathy.

For me personally, the way that F!Shepard talks basically destroys any chance that of any of my F!Shepards romancing him. Because Shepard talks like tough marine elsewhere, but with Jacob it's the seductress - very jarring.

[Mentatzoee]

Kim, I'm afraid that doesn't happen when you romance Garrus first!



At least, I didn't see it!

Garrus talks as there was no one else, and Jacob keeps saying "Just let me know if you're serious about the turian" or something like that, but he won't let me give him my opinion, so...



Great, I so wanna see this now. I'm thinking about going back AAALL the way.

Do you know what does Garrus say when you tell him you prefer him to Jacob?