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[Collider]

Kaidan & Ashley don't send emails to non-romance Shepards. On that note, how is it that everyone knows Shepard's email? Lol

[Alexine]

Collider wrote...

Kaidan & Ashley don't send emails to non-romance Shepards. On that note, how is it that everyone knows Shepard's email? Lol

Yeah, Aria, Liara, Anderson, Udina, etc. seemed to know my Shepard's email. I would understand how Liara and Cerberus would have my email, but everyone else... unless Cerberus seemed to like spreading Shepard's email around.

[Kim Shepard]

What I want to know is why that escaped con knew Shepard's e-mail. xD

[Andaius20]

Shep should stop leave business cards around where ever he goes as a calling card with is Email on it.

[lovgreno]

Alexine wrote...

Collider wrote...

Kaidan & Ashley don't send emails to non-romance Shepards. On that note, how is it that everyone knows Shepard's email? Lol

Yeah, Aria, Liara, Anderson, Udina, etc. seemed to know my Shepard's email. I would understand how Liara and Cerberus would have my email, but everyone else... unless Cerberus seemed to like spreading Shepard's email around.

Well the people in charge of Cerberus security (Thank you Jacob for the rampaging mechs trying to kill the recently resurected Shepard) obviously do a lousy job. Everything leaks out eventualy.

[Bugsie]

Hey Alexine, yeah I'm dumping that Alenko, he gets no reprieve from my femShep.



I laughed at the spam mail. Pretty much like real life.

[Nilfalasiel]

Would you guys be interested in me posting an "avoid unwanted romances in ME1" mini-guide somewhere? Maybe on Clan V. or as a link on the first page of the thread? Because I know I've posted it before, but I see that it's still a problem for a lot of people, and my earlier post has gotten lost in the depths of the thread by now.

Concerning ME2 romances, Miranda, Thane, Garrus and Tali are extremely easy to avoid: their triggers stare you right in the face (well, Samara too, but that doesn't really count). With Jack, you just need to stop talking to her at one point, if you're male. It makes sense: she's not looking for a friend, and if you keep coming back, she just assumes you're interested, even if you say no. I'm not sure about Jacob though: like so many others, I just avoided talking to him apart from LM-related stuff once I heard what Shep sounded like. I'll try to navigate his convos on my current playthrough and see if there's a way to avoid downright romance.

Jack/Garrus...no, for all the reasons that have already been mentioned. She's a criminal, and if Shep's not romancing her, doesn't really intend to stop being one. That wouldn't work with any kind of Garrus, Paragon or Renegade.

And gah! Must. Resist. Curiosity. About. New. Fanfic. X_X

[Chimervera]

I bookmarked your http://social.biowar...98/807#2636488' class='bbc_url' title='Lien externe' rel='nofollow external'>earlier guide, but plenty of people probably didn't, so feel free to start up an avoiding ME1 romance guide in the Clan. Then at least we'll all have somewhere to go when having trouble avoiding romances, and it'd be a handy reference for all future playthroughs.

[janeym27]

silentstephi wrote...

kglaser wrote...

They are 'shipping Jack/Garrus on page 8076 of the Tali thread.
thoughts? opinions??

/creak

That's the tip of my brain breaking.
I... don't get it. Oo

 
I… kinda do. I’m not saying they could ever go the distance and do the white picket fence thing, but as a moment of heated-confrontation-turns-sex: yeah, I could see this. They are certainly both very OK with sex without love situations. They are both sitting on a world of anger issues, and I think it would be easy to get them worked up to a point where there had to be some kind of release – a fight or f*** scenario.
 
Afterwards, I think Garrus’ rationale would take over; he would be annoyed with himself for going there, and probably not want to talk about it again. Jack might actually want more (Garrus is actually a good person to have on side as a stabilizing force, some of the time) but his rejection of her would make her mad again. They’d probably have an uneasy working relationship punctuated by sporadic angry battle sex from time to time (when the tension gets too much).
 
Obviously, this would be in a world where FemShep wasn’t already hitting that.
 
And I like to think that after she was resurrected, Shepard just reactivated her old email accounts. There is a long cut scene of her sitting going through 2 years worth of spam mail in her quarters, but it was cut for time. People probably know it because of all the facebooking she does waiting while travelling between missions.
 
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Modifié par janeym27, 23 juin 2010 - 09:24 .

[Nilfalasiel]

@ Chimervera: Alright, I'll try to cook up a more polished and more detailed version of the guide for Clan V.

janeym27 wrote...

I… kinda do. I’m not saying they could ever go the distance and do the white picket fence thing, but as a moment of heated-confrontation-turns-sex: yeah, I could see this. They are certainly both very OK with sex without love situations. They are both sitting on a world of anger issues, and I think it would be easy to get them worked up to a point where there had to be some kind of release – a fight or f*** scenario.
 
Afterwards, I think Garrus’ rationale would take over; he would be annoyed with himself for going there, and probably not want to talk about it again. Jack might actually want more (Garrus is actually a good person to have on side as a stabilizing force, some of the time) but his rejection of her would make her mad again. They’d probably have an uneasy working relationship punctuated by sporadic angry battle sex from time to time (when the tension gets too much).
 
Obviously, this would be in a world where FemShep wasn’t already hitting that.

The thing is, in order for there to be sex (casual or anger-based), there needs to be attraction. We all know that Garrus isn't normally attracted to humans on a purely physical level: he needs a deeper connection for that to happen. What gets him to start paying attention to Shepard is her personality. And with Jack, well...the personality would be a MAJOR stumbling block. I don't think he'd ever be attracted to her physically, simply because he would never be attracted to her personality.

The anger-sex situation is perfectly plausible...but only with individuals between whom physical attraction is instinctive (eg. Garrus and the recon scout). Which wouldn't be the case between Garrus and Jack. Now, if Shepard ever dumps Garrus...yes, it could possibly happen, because he'd already have some experience with being attracted to a human, and he'd be bitter enough to possibly disregard Jack's major personality hangups.
 
But that's not a happy thought

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This is great

Modifié par Nilfalasiel, 23 juin 2010 - 10:19 .

[lovgreno]

janeym27 wrote...
Obviously, this would be in a world where FemShep wasn’t already hitting that.
 

I don't understand how such a world could ever become a reality.

[Bugsie]

Nilfalasiel wrote...

The anger-sex situation is perfectly plausible...but only with individuals between whom physical attraction is instinctive (eg. Garrus and the recon scout). Which wouldn't be the case between Garrus and Jack. Now, if Shepard ever dumps Garrus...yes, it could possibly happen, because he'd already have some experience with being attracted to a human, and he'd be bitter enough to possibly disregard Jack's major personality hangups.
 
But that's not a happy thought

I've just spent the last week writing a bit of ff on the Garrus/recon scout fling, interestingly my Beta reader fellow clan V member Aricle said the same thing - that the the recon scout was a bit like Jack and with a soft side too.  Having said that I just can't imagine Garrus being attracted to Jack.  For one he's older and wiser than he was when the fling with the scout happened, and Shepard dumping Garrus - surely you jest!!

[Jackalope]

Collider wrote...

Kaidan & Ashley don't send emails to non-romance Shepards. On that note, how is it that everyone knows Shepard's email? Lol

shepard@cerberus.net ?

Just imagine her voicemail.

"Hey, you've reach Shepard.  I'm not available right now.  To leave a lead on the Reaper threat, press 1..."

[Bugsie]

I feel I want to send an email to that address to see what the response is.



Perhaps I could start with "Shepard, I thought you were dead..."

[sapphyreelf]

Nilfalasiel wrote...

Would you guys be interested in me posting an "avoid unwanted romances in ME1" mini-guide somewhere? Maybe on Clan V. or as a link on the first page of the thread? Because I know I've posted it before, but I see that it's still a problem for a lot of people, and my earlier post has gotten lost in the depths of the thread by now.

Concerning ME2 romances, Miranda, Thane, Garrus and Tali are extremely easy to avoid: their triggers stare you right in the face (well, Samara too, but that doesn't really count). With Jack, you just need to stop talking to her at one point, if you're male. It makes sense: she's not looking for a friend, and if you keep coming back, she just assumes you're interested, even if you say no. I'm not sure about Jacob though: like so many others, I just avoided talking to him apart from LM-related stuff once I heard what Shep sounded like. I'll try to navigate his convos on my current playthrough and see if there's a way to avoid downright romance.

Jacob is remarkably easy to avoid, even if you are talking to him. You can go for the middle of the road dialogue options and shut him down without being "harsh" persay. Eventually, all he wants to do is tell you that we'll go hit up drinks on the Citadel. There are clear markers where you can have Shep say she is actively interested in something non-platonic - so there isn't a pitfall.

They really did improve the dialogue so it's easier to see where things will go with talking to characters in a certain way. I've never had problems avoiding the ME1 romances, but there is a lot more ambiguity there that can be confusing.

[janeym27]

Nilfalasiel wrote...


The thing is, in order for there to be sex (casual or anger-based), there needs to be attraction. We all know that Garrus isn't normally attracted to humans on a purely physical level: he needs a deeper connection for that to happen. What gets him to start paying attention to Shepard is her personality. And with Jack, well...the personality would be a MAJOR stumbling block. I don't think he'd ever be attracted to her physically, simply because he would never be attracted to her personality.

It totally disagree with the bolded. Or at least, I disagree that attraction has to be prior. Of course, everybody approaches sex differently, but  sometimes with angry sex, it's entirely about your own emotion bubbling over, rather than about the other person. Sometimes it's simply a case that a release is needed and you go for whatever is there. Trust me: I’ve been there and sometimes sex is just raw, angry sex. (And the term Coyote Ugly is sometimes not strong enough to describe angry sex fall out. Lol. Attraction definetly NOT a requirement).
 
Of course, not everyone thinks the same (people and emotions being the complex things they are). And the cross species thing might well be an issue, but as I said: in the moment, sometimes nothing else matters but getting that release. It's often not premeditated, but happens because emotions get to a point where it is that or come to blows. Of all the other people on that ship (Shepard aside, and that is an emotional thing and so doesn’t quite apply in the same way), Jack is probably the best qualified to deliver this. Not to mention one of the people most likely to antagonise Garrus to a point that all that suppressed anger erupts.
 

lovgreno wrote...

janeym27 wrote...
Obviously, this would be in a world where FemShep wasn’t already hitting that.
 

I don't understand how such a world could ever become a reality.

 
Well, no. So shipping Garrus/anyone else is really a moot point. lol


Edit: Hmmm.. Do I sound crazy now?  lol

Modifié par janeym27, 23 juin 2010 - 11:23 .

[Nilfalasiel]

janeym27 wrote...
 
Of course, not everyone thinks the same (people and emotions being the complex things they are). And the cross species thing might well be an issue, but as I said: in the moment, sometimes nothing else matters but getting that release. It's often not premeditated, but happens because emotions get to a point where it is that or come to blows. Of all the other people on that ship (Shepard aside, and that is an emotional thing and so doesn’t quite apply in the same way), Jack is probably the best qualified to deliver this. Not to mention one of the people most likely to antagonise Garrus to a point that all that suppressed anger erupts. 

Well, it's kinda hard to act on your immediate emotions when you're not sure how sex with another species is supposed to work, right? Which is why I brought up the whole "if Shep dumps Garrus" scenario (not that that's at all likely): he'd have to know how things work with a human beforehand. I read a fic that brought up this exact problem between Shep and Garrus. It didn't follow the ME2 events, because it had probably been written before the game came out, but they were arguing about something, then they suddenly jumped on each other, but due to having no clue what to do, they had to break it off. Can't remember what the fic was called, unfortunately, or who it was by...It was good though.

[Bugsie]

janeym27 wrote...

Edit: Hmmm.. Do I sound crazy now?  lol

Not at all Janey!

[janeym27]

Nilfalasiel wrote...

janeym27 wrote...
 
Of course, not everyone thinks the same (people and emotions being the complex things they are). And the cross species thing might well be an issue, but as I said: in the moment, sometimes nothing else matters but getting that release. It's often not premeditated, but happens because emotions get to a point where it is that or come to blows. Of all the other people on that ship (Shepard aside, and that is an emotional thing and so doesn’t quite apply in the same way), Jack is probably the best qualified to deliver this. Not to mention one of the people most likely to antagonise Garrus to a point that all that suppressed anger erupts. 

Well, it's kinda hard to act on your immediate emotions when you're not sure how sex with another species is supposed to work, right? Which is why I brought up the whole "if Shep dumps Garrus" scenario (not that that's at all likely): he'd have to know how things work with a human beforehand. I read a fic that brought up this exact problem between Shep and Garrus. It didn't follow the ME2 events, because it had probably been written before the game came out, but they were arguing about something, then they suddenly jumped on each other, but due to having no clue what to do, they had to break it off. Can't remember what the fic was called, unfortunately, or who it was by...It was good though.

lol. Sounds like awesome fic.

I guess it all comes down to how different the...mechanics of it are. But I could certainly see Garrus/Jack make an ill advised attempt at sex.

Again, this is why we need naked turians, BioWare. For, y'know, SCIENCE!

Modifié par janeym27, 23 juin 2010 - 01:06 .

[Cerrydd]

Re: Shep's backgrounds... Wouldn't it be nice to actually talk about yourselves with your LI? I think the only things Garrus knows about Shepard is what he saw when they were working together. Unless he googled her or something. Now that they're in a relationship, it might be suitable to actually talk about where they came from to get to know each other better. I think that could be a great opportunity to learn something more about Garrus and his background and to add background-related stuff to Shepard, depending on the background and the dialogue options you chose. And of course... MOAR DIALOGUE.

eta: Because I love this so much


By Leemo626

Modifié par Cerrydd, 23 juin 2010 - 01:16 .

[Mentatzoee]

I thought we would have been able to talk to him when we called him to get to our quarters after the SM. It would be incredible to be able to have an intimate chat when sitting at his lap, or laying in the bed.



There's something that makes me uncomfy about the bed moment though. Why does he keep his eyes open? Shep's all relaxed hugging him and he's just... Looking at the ceiling. What's on your mind Garrus?

[janeym27]

Mentatzoee wrote...

I thought we would have been able to talk to him when we called him to get to our quarters after the SM. It would be incredible to be able to have an intimate chat when sitting at his lap, or laying in the bed.

There's something that makes me uncomfy about the bed moment though. Why does he keep his eyes open? Shep's all relaxed hugging him and he's just... Looking at the ceiling. What's on your mind Garrus?

You think he looks uncomfy on the bed? Look at him on the sofa! It's like: So. Damn. Awkward.


 
I have a theory that he looks like that because he did his research, got his positioning right, really showed Shepard a good time, but she was… less dedicated. Far too busy drinking on Omega, chatting to the crew, dancing, or just doing random side missions to actually take the time to read Mordin’s pamphlets. As a result, Garrus was left feeling… less than satisfied. Now he’s trying to work out how to break that to her without her getting made enough to spar for real. (see how into everything Shepard seems? Garrus clearly not as impressed!)

[Nilfalasiel]

Mentatzoee wrote...

I thought we would have been able to talk to him when we called him to get to our quarters after the SM. It would be incredible to be able to have an intimate chat when sitting at his lap, or laying in the bed.

There's something that makes me uncomfy about the bed moment though. Why does he keep his eyes open? Shep's all relaxed hugging him and he's just... Looking at the ceiling. What's on your mind Garrus?

I always thought Shep had conversations with her/his squadmates that we simply didn't get to see in game. They can't always be silent while wandering around the Citadel, or any of the civilian hubs (Port Hanshan, Illium, Omega). So I think the squaddies probably know more about Shep than what we're given to see in the actual game. And the reverse is also true.

As for the post-SM scenes, I actually think the "sitting in his lap" sequence is creepier. They're obviously talking--or at least, Shep is talking and Garrus is listening--, but not hearing what she says and simply seeing her gesticulating is terminally bizarre. The bed cuddle feels slightly more normal, and I don't find it bizarre that Garrus keeps his eyes open. He could very well be looking at the ceiling and be relaxed at the same time. Then again, both sequences would've benefited from NOT being looped. Just play them once and fade to black. The same movements over and over again just make it feel wrong.

@ janeym27: Dunno about the research...Garrus admits to not watching the vids. Seemed to me like he wasn't all that thorough about it either. Besides, he's not exactly the most extroverted person in the galaxy, so it's quite touching to have him simply stroking Shep's arm like he does in that sequence.

Or maybe thinking that Garrus didn't have a good time pre-Omega 4 simply makes me sad.

Modifié par Nilfalasiel, 23 juin 2010 - 02:16 .

[Cerrydd]

Nilfalasiel wrote...

He could very well be looking at the ceiling and be relaxed at the same time.

He's not looking at the ceiling. He's looking through the ceiling. Because apparently, Shep's cabin has a glass ceiling. Still haven't seen it myself, but it's what I heard on these boards...

So Garrus is probably looking at the stars, all relaxed

[silentstephi]

Screw that, I wanted a real sparring match between those two (Shep and Garrus)! /is so disappoint

Might lead to... ummm... more activities. /sagenod
The bed/couch scenes seem just a tad forced to me, ESPECIALLY the couch. Good lord. Shep just needs to SIT STILL for like FIVE SECONDS... /grumble
On the bed, your right hand is like sandwiched between your thighs and his hip and looks REALLY uncomfortable....

Jack/Garrus - I see where you're going with your line of reasoning Janey, but I have to agree with Nilf on the lack of knowing the mechanics... unless it turns into violence/power. Then it's no longer just sex, it's rape and I don't think Garrus would go THAT far. (I know, that's a touchy subject for folks.)
Because, on the whole, we don't know what turian habits or appetites are like... it's just speculation.

Personality wise, I still think the two of them are oil and water. Jack has Issues. I can't see Garrus even really becoming friendly with her. She's a criminal and liked it. Even Renegade Garrus I can't see liking her to make that sort of leap.
I could DEF see them brawling... but I don't see how that could turn into a sex thing (unless, again, it's something about turians we just don't know/see.) And even then... bit of a stretch for me to see.

edit for spelling/grammar lulz

Modifié par silentstephi, 23 juin 2010 - 02:20 .