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[Arab25]

Why is it that the only Asari we get to fight crime with us are Pure-bloods? I thought they were a minority. Maybe I'm wrong.

[siltsonata]

Splinter Cell 108 wrote...

I agree if they add another Turian then they should add him/her along Garrus or not add him/her at all.

Garrus just has to be there.  Where else is he gonna go?

...I still want a female turian squadmate though.  We need some kind of envoy from the turians, don't we?  Garrus said himself he wasn't a very good turian.  Maybe we could get one to contrast Garrus:  extremely uptight, by the book, military, never breaks the rules, follows protocol...and she happens to be female.

....What.  I can hope, right?  At this point there's no harm in trying.


(And while we're at it, Kal'Reegar!!!)

[onibontan]

Yes, the hero of Haestrom! The man they call Kal'Reegar!

[RyrineaNara]

Arab25 wrote...

Why is it that the only Asari we get to fight crime with us are Pure-bloods? I thought they were a minority. Maybe I'm wrong.

I agree that we need some half bloods in there, and yes they are in the minority.

[janeym27]

Brass_Buckles wrote...

Splinter Cell 108 wrote...

Brass_Buckles wrote...

You know, I'd been thinking recently, maybe some of Garrus's "tension" was of the sexual/relationship sort toward Shepard (I do believe her dialogue begins, "You seem tense.").  He does kind of seem to start flirting from the moment you recruit him as Femshep.  Femshep might have just been saying, in her very forward flirt, "Oh hey, Garrus, I noticed you suddenly seem to be attracted to me.  Wanna do something about that?"  Meanwhile, Garrus himself probably didn't even realize he was becoming a little more attracted to Shepard than just as a friend... maybe he told himself that a little flirting was harmless?

Your theory makes more sense than mine, though, because it's a very turian view on things.  Don't want to interrupt the crew, don't want to mess with the mission, gotta be relaxed enough to focus on the mission... Yep.  Very turian.

I could believe that. Why talk about his sexual encounter with that other Turian in front of Shepard? It sounds to me like he could have been hinting at something to Shepard. However he doesn't say it all. Like I said before maybe he thought that Shepard would think it would be a horrible idea or his Turian instinct told him that doing that could mess up the mission. Another hint maybe the thing about women liking scars. Maybe he just said Krogan women so nobody would suspect anything.

See, the thing about telling Shepard about his sexual encounter... That's one of the reasons, and one thing I was rather over when I first played out the romance.  Now, a guy might talk about things like that to another guy and it's more about being buddies and not flirty at all, and, hey, Garrus is a turian, Shepard's a human, so maybe he sees her as gender-neutral or something.  But, generally?  Guys don't tell girls about their sexploits, not unless they see the girl as another guy, or they want to have sex with the girl.  Like I said, it's entirely possible Garrus doesn't realize why he's saying the things he is.  Maybe it's a sort of subconscious attraction.  Before I'd read much of the romance and thought about it more, the first thing I thought was:  Whoah.  Garrus was dropping some major hints there, wasn't he?

And as for women liking scars, apparently Male Shep gets a different line.  So yes, I'd say it's a flirt.  Though I kind of wish you could counter him with a line like, "It isn't your scar I like."

In all honesty, though, I don't think Garrus would've dismissed a possible romantic relationship just because it was presented to him differently.  Considering how eager he was to take Shepard up on her offer, I think if she'd just made it very clear she liked him as more than a friend in the first place (in some other way besides outright propositioning him), he'd have jumped on that opportunity too.  He knows there's a risk for ruining their friendship, yes... but clearly, if Shepard's willing to take the risk, so is he.  That's not even the biggest risk they're taking--they could, in fact, kill one another.  Allergic reactions and all that.

Wow. Long quote apology! lol

I always anted Garrus to be a romance option for my FemShep in ME1, but this was not to be. They did seem like they were perfect together! (looks aren't everything. Though I hear Turien fetish is common. ) 

I've always seen the Garrus/Shepard relationship in ME1 as almost a mentor/student one. Shepard is clearly a veteran soldier, and she has the attitude and conviction to do what needs to be done without compromising her beliefs. Coming from C-Sec, Garrus was jaded, and trying to find a way to do what he felt needed to be done without getting caught up in red tape and politics, and Shepard showed him how.  While there is always mutual respect, Garrus always looks up to Shep.

2 years on, however, and Garrus has landed on his own two feet and carved out his own niche in the galaxy, following Shepard's lead. He has caught her up in terms of having the courage of his convictions, and the relationship becomes more of a level playing field. Shepard admires Garrus strength, and trusts him as one of the few people from her old life who will still fight at her side (Kaiden has betrayed her, in many ways. All she does is ask about her team and say they will fight with her, but only Garrus and Tali do). Garrus's feelings towards Shep are the same as they always have been, but he has more confidence. As they spend more time back together, he realises that it is only through Shepard that his own convictions and purpose are clear to him. She helps him keep focused, on track. A vigilante’s muse.

The attraction grows from that. I was never bothered about Shepard being forward. She is just back from the dead, and heading into danger. In Garrus she has found a kindred spirit and she isn't wasting any time. As for Garrus: She completes him.
 
I think that Garrus and Shepard are forever! It’s clear it’s not about the sex for Shep (if It was, Jacob is laying it on the table from the get go, whereas Garrus requires coaxing, reassuring, research). It’s about the trust and the love.
 
I really wish there were some post-coitus dialogues between the LIs. I wanna know how Shep and Garrus got on. I’m sure it was ‘A night to be treasured’, but dammit, I want reactions! lol


Though if it wasn’t, Garrus and Tali should totally hook up! How much evidence is there for the Turien/Quarien love? They have similar feet, they share biology (“don’t eat the nuts, they are for Quariens and Turiens”). There is the adoreable couple…. I think should FemShep look elsewhere, Garrus and Tali will find solus in each other’s arms. XD

To conclude: Garrus.

[onibontan]

I like to think that he shoots femshep to make sure she isn't a hallucination [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/sideways.png[/smilie] And you forgot Legion. Who is gonna replace it?

[Sialater]

Honigkuchenpferd87 wrote...

Yes, the hero of Haestrom! The man they call Kal'Reegar!

I need to not read such things while eating a saltine.

:lol:

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

Garrus says himself that shepard is his only friend he has left in the galaxy, so where else is he going to go?



He is probably one of the most loyal party members next to grunt.

[Sialater]

Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...

Garrus says himself that shepard is his only friend he has left in the galaxy, so where else is he going to go?

He is probably one of the most loyal party members next to grunt.

I did enjoy telling Grunt to leave Garrus the hell alone, though.  One of the few times you get to comment on team interaction.

[Sialater]

aynxalot wrote...

Honigkuchenpferd87 wrote...

I like to think that he shoots femshep to make sure she isn't a hallucination ../../../images/forum/emoticons/sideways.png And you forgot Legion. Who is gonna replace it?

Oooh, excellent thought! == It fits real perfect in the outline of the 3rd fanfic I was brainstorming about (a 1-shot-er, heh, incredibly lame pun.) If you don't mind me stealing it, that is.

Ah, Legion. I think I blocked him out 'coz he died my latest playthrough.  It was a total scam! I was so emormously Renegade but somehow I 'didn't have enough Ren points' to quell the Tali/Legion fight! *Sigh* I sided with Tali....then stupidly brought Legion on the last fight.....

I don't know who/what would replace him. No idea at all.

Another Geth.  Doubt he'll have the burgeoning individuality of Legion, though.

[siltsonata]

Honigkuchenpferd87 wrote...

Yes, the hero of Haestrom! The man they call Kal'Reegar!

100% pure, unfiltered WIN.  Now with more Vitamin K.

aynxalot wrote...

I wonder if at least some of the possible 'replacements' for potentially dead characters weren't given a preview. (These are just suggestions....obviously I have no idea. )

Tali --> Kal'Reegar
Thane --> Kolyat
Grunt --> Er, not sure. We met a few possible krogan on Tuchanka.
Mordin --> Forget his name, but the nephew he mentioned
Miranda --> Oriana. /captainobvious (however, given how hard it is to kill only Miranda...)
Samara/Morinth --> There were 2 other daughters. Or just get Liara back.
Jacob --> Why do I get the feeling he's just gonna be booted out to make room for Kaidan (if alive)?
Jack --> Same as Jacob, but w/ Ashley. If either ME1 char is dead, no idea who replaces these two.
Garrus --> Tricky. Could be the female mentioned, otherwise we've met a whole slew of named turians.
Zaeed/Kasumi(?) --> Stay or go. Not really plot-sensitive, here.
Otherwise they could just have empty, unrecruitable slots left for dead chars. Makes equally as much sense, really. Though if you have a fully living squad, I find it unlikely they're going to add in the ME1's without taking some of the ME2's away.

I'd find empty spots more likely.  Less work, I'd imagine.  Then they'll probably decide on a default "who survived" list with some losses (probably they'll check their data and see who were the most common casualties....which doesn't bode well for Mordin *sob*), and those who played ME2 and got everybody else out alive gets their whole squad.  It would be a good reward for those of us who went the extra mile.

(OK, OK....I just really don't want to have to choose between Tali and Kal in my canon game.  Besides, half of the fun is in shipping Tali and Kal together!!!)
I do agree that there's a lot of characters though...I just...I don't want to lose any of the ME2's (well....maybe Jacob ) at the expense of the ME1's.  (Though I'm starting to get the feeling Wrex won't be coming back.  We have Grunt, and Wrex is doing important work. I'll miss that crazy bastard, though.)

[Sialater]

aynxalot wrote...

Sialater wrote...

Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...

Garrus says himself that shepard is his only friend he has left in the galaxy, so where else is he going to go?

He is probably one of the most loyal party members next to grunt.

I did enjoy telling Grunt to leave Garrus the hell alone, though.  One of the few times you get to comment on team interaction.

Woah, when do you get to do that??

Sometime after Grunt's loyalty mission you get to talk to him and he's got a downloaded memory of prying the carapace off a dead turian in the Krogan Rebellions.  He's been programmed with some racism by Okeer.  It's the Renegade option in the dialogue.  You get in Grunt's face and demand something like, "You do anything to Garrus and I'll space you myself."  Grunt gets to backpedal and tell you he'd never hurt Garrus since the turian is part of your clan like Grunt is.  And Grunt DOES NOT want to cross Shepard.

[Gerse1]

enormousmoonboots wrote...

silentstephi wrote...

GARRUSSSSSSSS.

On/off topic:  Can anyone figure out the naming of turians?  I know their culture is based on the Romans... but I'm having a hard time giving this character in my head a turian name.  As it stands, she's turning out to be Quint (short for Quintas).

Thoughts?

LARPs, wikis, and more wikis. Since we have no data on female turians ingame, no idea whether their names also resemble Roman ones, but Septimus and, I think, Sidonis are lifted from ancient Rome wholesale. The second link has some meanings/origins that're nice; I've always liked to give my characters referential/meaningful names, and clearly Bioware does too. Take Wrex, for example. There's the obvious 'wrecks', rex like T-rex (he is rather dino-looking), and the slightly more subtle Rex, which is king in Latin. Second game? Wrex is king of the krogan. Ohohoho, I see what you did there, Bioware.

(re: roman women's names wiki: ugh, I feel sorry for the one named "Bruttia Crispina", haha)

I think Cerberus News has named one female turian.  Shastina something.  She had a last name too.

Also, what are the meanings of Septimus and Sidonis?  All I can think of is the town of Sidon but that doesn't seem right...I always wondered if they gave Nihlus his name because he dies.  I confess I haven't really analyzed the other turian names yet.

What are some characters other than Wrex (his is the easiest)?  Shepard, Nazara, Lazarus project, and Legion are all easy and also all Biblically derived....Samara could have a connection to the ancient city but I don't know why she would; that's also the name of the scary little girl in "The Ring" lol.   Miranda's comes from Shakespeare (girl raised by magician father).   Hmm maybe I will go start this topic in its own thread -- unless you know of one that is already up?

[Gerse1]

siltsonata wrote...

Splinter Cell 108 wrote...

I agree if they add another Turian then they should add him/her along Garrus or not add him/her at all.

Garrus just has to be there.  Where else is he gonna go?

...I still want a female turian squadmate though.  We need some kind of envoy from the turians, don't we?  Garrus said himself he wasn't a very good turian.  Maybe we could get one to contrast Garrus:  extremely uptight, by the book, military, never breaks the rules, follows protocol...and she happens to be female.

....What.  I can hope, right?  At this point there's no harm in trying.


(And while we're at it, Kal'Reegar!!!)

YEAHHHHH.   I want a male quarian on the team...I don't know if it's just b/c he's Adam Baldwin or what, but Reegar was starting to make me see a little of the allure all those Talimancers have been talking about.  Also, was it me or was he flirting with Tali?  If you don't/can't romance her, I think they should be able to get together.  Same goes for other squadmates, doesn't have to be every single one paired off, but it would be cute to have a couple of side-stories were they start taking an interest in sapient individuals other than Shepard.  Because right now it's kind of weird, half the people on her ship have confessed to her she's their only friend in ____ years and they all sit locked up alone in their rooms "meditating" or anthropomorphizing their rifles and what not.

Um, what was I originally going to talk about...oh yes. I like your idea of having a female turian who contrasts Garrus.  I don't necessarily need her in the party, but I do want a female turian character to interact with.  

As for replacing Garrus -- and I say this about any character who "dies", not just as a Garrus fan -- you don't get to "replace" him.  Not with another character with a similar personality, not with a turian.  It's just tough nuggets for being a terrible commander and getting your people killed.  That's why the suicide mission has "consequences."  And I *certainly* don't want to have to miss out on a female turian "replacment" if Garrus is still alive, which he will be.  I don't think Bioware would do that anyway.  

[onibontan]

aynxalot wrote...

Honigkuchenpferd87 wrote...

I like to think that he shoots femshep to make sure she isn't a hallucination ../../../images/forum/emoticons/sideways.png And you forgot Legion. Who is gonna replace it?

Oooh, excellent thought! == It fits real perfect in the outline of the 3rd fanfic I was brainstorming about (a 1-shot-er, heh, incredibly lame pun.) If you don't mind me stealing it, that is.

I don't mind at all! Looking forward to your fanfic

[Sialater]

Gerse1 wrote...


As for replacing Garrus -- and I say this about any character who "dies", not just as a Garrus fan -- you don't get to "replace" him.  Not with another character with a similar personality, not with a turian.  It's just tough nuggets for being a terrible commander and getting your people killed.  That's why the suicide mission has "consequences."  And I *certainly* don't want to have to miss out on a female turian "replacment" if Garrus is still alive, which he will be.  I don't think Bioware would do that anyway.  

Frankly, I agree that that should be the consequences.  If you have all your team and your crew survive, you get to keep them.  If you don't, well, sucks to be you.  You should also be at a hell of a disadvantage if you didn't make nice with the geth, the rachni or the krogan, too.

I'd hate to be THAT Shep.

[siltsonata]

Gerse1 wrote...
YEAHHHHH.   I want a male quarian on the team...I don't know if it's just b/c he's Adam Baldwin or what, but Reegar was starting to make me see a little of the allure all those Talimancers have been talking about.  Also, was it me or was he flirting with Tali?  If you don't/can't romance her, I think they should be able to get together.  Same goes for other squadmates, doesn't have to be every single one paired off, but it would be cute to have a couple of side-stories were they start taking an interest in sapient individuals other than Shepard.

This.  All of it.  I would like to know that some of my squaddies have romantic inclinations beyond the massive ball of sex appeal that is Commander Shepard.  

I'm not asking for Shep to spend the entire game playing matchmaker for everyone on board, but I think it would be fun if certain squadmates or characters (Tali/Kal, Miranda/Jacob, since they seem to have the groundwork all laid out and ready...and because shipping Jacob with Miranda is pretty much the only way I can be enthusiastic about Jacob's character...) could be subtly persuaded to at least consider a relationship.  For example, Kal gets mentioned in a conversation with Tali, a lone dialogue pops up that asks if she's interested.  She could get flustered or ask "You think it could happen?" or whatever, just that one line, and that's it. No more.  And that sets that up  a relationship for later.  The game wouldn't have to focus on it, it could be just a subtle implication that they're together/will get together after the Reaper threat is dealt with, but it would add A LOT to the game for me, seeing the characters interact with people who aren't Shepard. (In fact, some interaction with ALL other squadmates would be nice, but we've all beaten that topic to death already.)

  Because right now it's kind of weird, half the people on her ship have confessed to her she's their only friend in ____ years and they all sit locked up alone in their rooms "meditating" or anthropomorphizing their rifles and what not. 

I lol'd.

[Sialater]

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I'm writing one shots of my Paragrade Shep's adventures. I'll unify them all later, but here are two right now, if anyone's interested.

[Soahfreako]

siltsonata wrote...

Honigkuchenpferd87 wrote...

Yes, the hero of Haestrom! The man they call Kal'Reegar!

100% pure, unfiltered WIN.  Now with more Vitamin K.

aynxalot wrote...

I wonder if at least some of the possible 'replacements' for potentially dead characters weren't given a preview. (These are just suggestions....obviously I have no idea. )

Tali --> Kal'Reegar
Thane --> Kolyat
Grunt --> Er, not sure. We met a few possible krogan on Tuchanka.
Mordin --> Forget his name, but the nephew he mentioned
Miranda --> Oriana. /captainobvious (however, given how hard it is to kill only Miranda...)
Samara/Morinth --> There were 2 other daughters. Or just get Liara back.
Jacob --> Why do I get the feeling he's just gonna be booted out to make room for Kaidan (if alive)?
Jack --> Same as Jacob, but w/ Ashley. If either ME1 char is dead, no idea who replaces these two.
Garrus --> Tricky. Could be the female mentioned, otherwise we've met a whole slew of named turians.
Zaeed/Kasumi(?) --> Stay or go. Not really plot-sensitive, here.
Otherwise they could just have empty, unrecruitable slots left for dead chars. Makes equally as much sense, really. Though if you have a fully living squad, I find it unlikely they're going to add in the ME1's without taking some of the ME2's away.

I think Sidonis (if you went paragon) would be a likely character in ME3, since he does say he'll find someway to repay Garrus. Could be that he'll be a squadmate or he'll help you out in the final battle, or something along those lines.

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

Soahfreako wrote...

siltsonata wrote...

Honigkuchenpferd87 wrote...

Yes, the hero of Haestrom! The man they call Kal'Reegar!

100% pure, unfiltered WIN.  Now with more Vitamin K.

aynxalot wrote...

I wonder if at least some of the possible 'replacements' for potentially dead characters weren't given a preview. (These are just suggestions....obviously I have no idea. )

Tali --> Kal'Reegar
Thane --> Kolyat
Grunt --> Er, not sure. We met a few possible krogan on Tuchanka.
Mordin --> Forget his name, but the nephew he mentioned
Miranda --> Oriana. /captainobvious (however, given how hard it is to kill only Miranda...)
Samara/Morinth --> There were 2 other daughters. Or just get Liara back.
Jacob --> Why do I get the feeling he's just gonna be booted out to make room for Kaidan (if alive)?
Jack --> Same as Jacob, but w/ Ashley. If either ME1 char is dead, no idea who replaces these two.
Garrus --> Tricky. Could be the female mentioned, otherwise we've met a whole slew of named turians.
Zaeed/Kasumi(?) --> Stay or go. Not really plot-sensitive, here.
Otherwise they could just have empty, unrecruitable slots left for dead chars. Makes equally as much sense, really. Though if you have a fully living squad, I find it unlikely they're going to add in the ME1's without taking some of the ME2's away.

I think Sidonis (if you went paragon) would be a likely character in ME3, since he does say he'll find someway to repay Garrus. Could be that he'll be a squadmate or he'll help you out in the final battle, or something along those lines.

Actually if i remember correctly, sidonis turned himself in to C-Sec for the murder of 10 people. And i don't think anyone is replacing garrus if you did his loyalty mission and survived the suicide mission.

[onibontan]

Well but C-Sec doesn't arrest him because Omega is outside Citadel jurisdiction. So he's still free.