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Garrus Love and Adoration v.2


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#3051
Pannamaslo

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Damsel of Distress wrote...

Pannamaslo wrote...

Reptiles and avians got cloaca - Turians don't.
Reptiles and avians don't sweat  (mammalian trait)- Turians do.
Entry from a codex that said : Turians resemble birds of prey has been removed.

My hypothesis is as follows:
Turian were initially designed as reptiles or avians, but Garrus romance changed it and added more "mammalian" traits (Turian in the toilet).

To sum up:

Earth taxonomy does not apply. We don't know...


Some birds, like swans, do have phalluses.


And some mammals lay eggs.

#3052
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lm_jillybean over at the LJ comm did a cool couple of articles about ecology and theories and stuff.



Here, I links for you. This is her turian one.

There's also a drell one.


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Turians have heat sinks that they pop.

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Going a tad off topic here, but how awkward does Garrus look when you call him up to your room on the intercom for some 'quiet time'? FemShep is all over him, and he just sits there. I fear things might be at that horrible inter-species awkwardness place, but Shep doesn't know it! :S

(I don't think she sis enough research on her end. Tsk Tsk.)



lol



Aww. Bless him.

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Just had to pop in and say I do not want any more squad mates for ME3. However, I am open to having more species variety in terms of the Normandy's crew. As awesome as it would be to have a Volus tumbling around by my side on the battlefield, I wouldn't mind if I instead had a Volus to man the resource probing station. Kelly is totally replaceable with an Elcor (but it would have to be able to dance just as well as she does). And for some reason, I think a Rachni would make an excellent custodian.

But...you know. Garrus, am I right?

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janeym27 wrote...

Going a tad off topic here, but how awkward does Garrus look when you call him up to your room on the intercom for some 'quiet time'? FemShep is all over him, and he just sits there. I fear things might be at that horrible inter-species awkwardness place, but Shep doesn't know it! :S
(I don't think she sis enough research on her end. Tsk Tsk.)

lol

Aww. Bless him.


I've always just been impressed by how lady-like his crossed legs are when he's sitting on the couch.
I can hardly sit like that and I'm a girl.

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janeym27 wrote...

Going a tad off topic here, but how awkward does Garrus look when you call him up to your room on the intercom for some 'quiet time'? FemShep is all over him, and he just sits there. I fear things might be at that horrible inter-species awkwardness place, but Shep doesn't know it! :S
(I don't think she sis enough research on her end. Tsk Tsk.)

lol

Aww. Bless him.


As much as I want some cuddle time with Garrus... I really dislike the couch one, and even to an extent, the bed cuddles.  They're so ... blah, they look the same for everyone!  I mean, seeing Garrus sitting on the couch with his legs crossed like that,  I facepalm'd, because it looks SO INCREDIBLY UNCOMFORTABLE for him, but it's perfect for Jack/Miranda/Tali.  Even Thane looks a little... posed.  I'd rather the guys looked a bit more relaxed.

Plus, I'm not sure how comfortable Garrus's fringe is on that bed...

/nitpicks away

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janeym27 wrote...

Going a tad off topic here, but how awkward does Garrus look when you call him up to your room on the intercom for some 'quiet time'? FemShep is all over him, and he just sits there. I fear things might be at that horrible inter-species awkwardness place, but Shep doesn't know it! :S
(I don't think she sis enough research on her end. Tsk Tsk.)

lol

Aww. Bless him.


Lol, that was so goofy.  It's the thought that counts for fanservice, though.
Favorite video:

#3059
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I do want a female turian squadmate--preferrably an older experienced one, since there are a lack of older women in the ME series and RPGs in general. Sure we have Samara but she's an asari, so she is an entirely different story altogether. But I'll take what I can get. Hell I'd just be happy if they finally put female turians into the game at all.

Of course, I'll take zero new squadmates if it means getting to keep our old ones. <3

As for Sidonis, I don't expect him to do anything important in ME3, even just as a personal thing for Garrus. I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't show up at all, unfortunately.

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We can't be sure when he realizes what his feelings are- he knows them as deep respect and admiration, which, if we learn anything from his experience with the turian female is important when it comes to turian attraction.


Eh, I don't think it's actually that important. I distinctly got the impression that they didn't like or respect each other very much (well aside from respect for each other's skill, maybe). Turians probably regard sex just as casually as every other species, I'd imagine.

That's not to say that Garrus doesn't deeply respect and admire Shepard, though. He flat-out said that he does. And I'm sure he has unrecognized romantic feelings buried in there somewhere. I just don't think turians as a whole put much importance on whom they have sex with.

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silentstephi wrote...

lm_jillybean over at the LJ comm did a cool couple of articles about ecology and theories and stuff.

Here, I links for you. This is her turian one.
There's also a drell one.


I just find making assumptions about the alien imaginary species based on a econolgy of Earth quite odd and not reliable IMO. Werex states that Turians have...hmmm..."nuts" - external mammalian trait.

All the imaginary species have mixed characteristics of many taxons. Devs aren't exaclty biologists + making organism more mammalian makes it more likeable and easy to feel sympathy for.

Just saying.

Ray Joel Oh wrote...

Turians have heat sinks that they pop.


Yeahh. That too^_^

Modifié par Pannamaslo, 09 mars 2010 - 11:31 .


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silentstephi wrote...

As much as I want some cuddle time with Garrus... I really dislike the couch one, and even to an extent, the bed cuddles.  They're so ... blah, they look the same for everyone!  I mean, seeing Garrus sitting on the couch with his legs crossed like that,  I facepalm'd, because it looks SO INCREDIBLY UNCOMFORTABLE for him, but it's perfect for Jack/Miranda/Tali.  Even Thane looks a little... posed.  I'd rather the guys looked a bit more relaxed.

Plus, I'm not sure how comfortable Garrus's fringe is on that bed...

/nitpicks away


Yeah, MTE.  Like, I appreciate that they wanted to add some post-game acknowledgment that you had a significant change in your relationship with your LI, but it just looked so weird with Garrus.  Just a Garrus puppet being run through the animations.

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I think the cuddles look weird with all of the love interests. The girls are all animated and lively whereas the guys just stare off into space with rigid poses.



And yeah, the men look hilariously feminine when sitting on the couch.

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I've missed the Pallin talk, but I just wanna put this great Pallin line in:



"If the cure is worse than the disease, what's the point?"

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Gerse1 wrote...

WRT Sidonis in ME3 (this got kind of long):

Yeah, I have been wondering whether Sidonis could possibly be your way to get some turian support during the final battle.

We
already know that our live-or-die decisions about Wrex, the Rachni, the
Geth Heretics, and the Council are likely going to affect who all is on
Shepard's side in the final battle.  Add to that the quarians, successfully keeping them from going to war and thus preserving the fleet (and also not getting Tali exiled).  The asari...not sure yet, maybe Samara has influence on her people as a justicar, and Liara as well depending on how powerful she makes herself.  Perhaps there will be similar decisions for the volus and lesser races in ME3, who knows.  Even Mordin has contacts in the STG.

As for the turians, well Garrus has no influence.  Once the reapers actually show up I'm sure their military would attack, but I get the feeling that one of the themes of ME3 will be "gathering your armies" instead of "gathering your team" alone.  So it's probably better to have the turian military already prepared.  But how? To me it seems obvious Bioware has made the Council so hateable in order to make earning their support a true challenge -- but the reward will likely be huge.  So I guess finally getting the Council on your side (if they aren't secretly already, as that very clever fanmade "diary" of the turian councillor suggested) would be one avenue of turian military support. 

Failing that, it makes me wonder whether Sidonis's live-or-die decision will somehow have an affect.  We have no idea whether he has influence with the turian hierarchy...the fact that he was vigilante-ing on Omega makes it seem less likely.  But, we don't know how much time will pass between ME2 and 3.  There's also the possibility he knows Garrus's father or something, will tell him what's going on with Garrus, we don't know anything about Papa Vakarian or his level of influence.  Of course if he were some big general Garrus would have mentioned it, but who knows, maybe he has friends in high places, especially on the Citadel. 

I guess it just seems like Garrus is the only alien in your party so far that doesn't have any influence on the behavior of his species as a whole (either literally or just as a cause and effect element of the plot). Other than Thane.  But there aren't a lot of drell to begin with.

General Septimus may be another turian ally....awww I hope he shows up again. I liked him.  Maybe if you don't solve his problems with Shai'ira he just becomes a sad drunk, but if you do, he leads a fleet ME3. 

We do know, however, that his father was (or is still) a high ranking C-sec official, according to Garrus in the first game. I do agree with all of that though.

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MarginalBeast wrote...

I think the cuddles look weird with all of the love interests. The girls are all animated and lively whereas the guys just stare off into space with rigid poses.

And yeah, the men look hilariously feminine when sitting on the couch.


Garrus actually looks quite chilled when he is on the couch alone, albeit in a slightly sleezy-yet-feminine looking way (who sits like that?!). It's when Shepard climbs onto his lap things get uncomfortable.

Garrus: "Woah. There is like a whole couch here. Give me some space, woman!"

I wish there was a 'do sexy dance' action option. That's a reaction I'd love to see. (heat synchs may well pop!) :D

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Also I have a question concerning all turians. I don't believe I saw it in any of the codexs, but I could've accidently skimmed over it. Does anyone know the average life-span of a turian? Been wondering for a while.

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Wow, this convo exploded. :P



You're right, being aliens, the taxonomy is likely far removed from anything you'd find on Earth. And, like putting bewbs on hot alien babes, the devs aren't exactly going for an incredible amount of accuracy. I was just hazarding a random, silly thought I extrapolated from the video. Totally wasn't just sitting there re-watching it...or anything....o_o

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Soahfreako wrote...

Also I have a question concerning all turians. I don't believe I saw it in any of the codexs, but I could've accidently skimmed over it. Does anyone know the average life-span of a turian? Been wondering for a while.


I think it's mentioned that they're on par with humans.

Long lived races are Asari and Krogan, the Salarians live really short lives, everyone else seems to avg about the same.

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It was described as not particularly longer or shorter than humans.

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My head will just explode if I find out he came from an egg. :C

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Soahfreako wrote...

Also I have a question concerning all turians. I don't believe I saw it in any of the codexs, but I could've accidently skimmed over it. Does anyone know the average life-span of a turian? Been wondering for a while.


About the same as a human. Not sure if that's supposed to be current human lifespan or the ME future lifespan.

edit: Ninjad

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Pannamaslo wrote...

silentstephi wrote...

lm_jillybean over at the LJ comm did a cool couple of articles about ecology and theories and stuff.

Here, I links for you. This is her turian one.
There's also a drell one.


I just find making assumptions about the alien imaginary species based on a econolgy of Earth quite odd and not reliable IMO. Werex states that Turians have...hmmm..."nuts" - external mammalian trait.

All the imaginary species have mixed characteristics of many taxons. Devs aren't exaclty biologists + making organism more mammalian makes it more likeable and easy to feel sympathy for.

Just saying.

Ray Joel Oh wrote...

Turians have heat sinks that they pop.


Yeahh. That too^_^


Yea I know, but sometimes it's just annoying to see traits that make us humans more comfortable show up just because we don't really "know" anything alien.

I'm a fan of boobies... but if you're going to create a race that that boobs make no sense?  /facepalm
As much as the drell fan in me thinks that boobs aren't something that we'd find on drell females, I'm pretty sure they will.  The males look too human.  The females will probably too.
Turians are pretty alien looking, but if its convergent evolution all over again... I'll be sad.

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Wow, seven new pages appeared since I last checked this thread. xD

I think the blunt way of starting Garrus' romance worked for Shepard #2, but she's been trying to date a turian for years and has just about given up on being subtle. I like to imagine that she had a conversation with Shepard #7, who is much better at this sort of thing than she is and would have told her to try a more "turian" approach. When she did, Garrus still didn't get it at first, but when she got even more blunt about it, and Garrus started to show some interest, she probably would have said something like "Wow, really? Success is mine!" xD I can also see Garrus asking Shepard #7 for advice... and after telling him that bragging about past "relations" to the woman he's interested in is a bad idea, #7 would say that Garrus should be glad #2 didn't really want to spar.

Shepard #7: You really dodged a bullet there, Garrus. The woman fights like a biotic krogan. I'm so proud. *grins* I trained her myself!

For ME3, I think it would be best if all of the surviving squadmates returned (except a few who might not return because they made it sound like defeating the Collectors would be their only mission with Shepard), and if anyone got their squadmates killed off (some accidental, some on purpose) then they obviously shouldn't return. If they add more squadmates, then the option of recruiting them should be available to everyone, even if the people who saved everyone have to choose a certain number of recruitable squadmates because the others won't "fit" on the team (and no choosing between character "counterparts" either - the option to have both Garrus and a female turian and/or Tali and Kal'Reegar should be open if those two characters are recruitable to anyone, possibly at the expense of choosing them over other teammates, like the humans, if the team is limited to a certain number). It would be unfair to everyone who saved their entire squad if there were some characters who were only available to people who didn't save them. My Colonist Sole Survivor Shepard might finally find romance with a female turian if she had the right personality, but killing off his best friend just to give him that chance is cruel, and he would rather have no romance at all than to see another person he cares about die.

I would like another turian (possibly female) and Kal'Reegar (or another male quarian) on my ME3 squad. :D Maybe they could make the DLC only characters for ME2 recruitable in ME3 for those of us (myself included) who don't use downloads, but for some reason that might be too much to expect. A few of my Shepards would make some less-likely requests, like romance with the Illusive Man, Aria, or a krogan. I also read an idea somewhere for an elcor battletank. That would be awesome.

Also, I would rather not have to choose between two (or more) characters I like in a Virmire-type situation. It was fine for Ashley and Kaidan because I don't like Ashley and Kaidan isn't one of my favorites, but for some of my Shepards (#1, for example) to choose between romance interest (Tali, in his case) and best friend (Garrus) is an impossible decision that can only end badly. D: Besides, Colonist Sole Survivor Shepard does not need anymore guilt. A choice between squadmate and large group of people (sacrifice many to save one, or sacrifice a good friend to save many lives) could be interesting, although depending on the squadmate, that large group of people would never stand a chance in most of my playthroughs. Splinter Cell 108's suggestion of a choice between the destruction of homeworlds sounds good too.

I know this post is long... o_o;

#3074
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aynxalot wrote...

Wow, this convo exploded. :P

You're right, being aliens, the taxonomy is likely far removed from anything you'd find on Earth. And, like putting bewbs on hot alien babes, the devs aren't exactly going for an incredible amount of accuracy. I was just hazarding a random, silly thought I extrapolated from the video. Totally wasn't just sitting there re-watching it...or anything....o_o


Not really a sily thought if it stirred some discussion ;)

Personally I'd prefer not to dell too much on alien biology. Buzz killer. I vote we won't learn what Turians really are. They're to badass for a real earth taxonomy:D

silentstephi wrote...

Yea
I know, but sometimes it's just annoying to see traits that make us
humans more comfortable show up just because we don't really "know"
anything alien.

I'm a fan of boobies... but if you're going to create a race that that boobs make no sense?  /facepalm
As
much as the drell fan in me thinks that boobs aren't something that
we'd find on drell females, I'm pretty sure they will.  The males look
too human.  The females will probably too.
Turians are pretty alien looking, but if its convergent evolution all over again... I'll be sad.



Ahh, the sins of almost all modern s-f.:bandit:

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#3075
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If they give us a Virmire situation, it'd have to be between either Liara and Ashley/Kaiden or between two brand new squadmates. Or, it would be between two random squadmates (so if you don't like what happened you could reload and bring someone else). So in any case, Garrus is safe from that.