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[siltsonata]

@Hyrule_Gal

Wow, excellent way to look at it!  I'm surprised but I never saw it exactly that way before. I mean, yeah, I saw a little bit of the banter and all that, but the was you described it just now was especially clear.

Before that moment, Gar and Shep had numerous examples of playful banter. Shep would say something and Gar had always had a witty response "one up" the commander, all in the name of good fun of course. For example, Shep points out to Mr Vigilante that if he "knew" they were running around down there he wouldn't have "shot at them", gar playfully responds he was trying to get her to hurry up. He very much enjoys sassing Shep but still has great respect for her. That style of conversation repeats itself throughout the game; another example was when Garrus asks Shep how his face looks. She jokes that he was "always ugly" and he responds that the ladies like men with scars.

Yeah, that Recruitment mission banter is FULL OF FLIRTING if you look at it through the right lens. Hot dayum.
And I love the "Hell Garrus, you were always ugly" comment, because 1) It's goddamned hilarious and 2) it makes Garrus laugh.  Squeeing ensues.
(Although, for my very first playthrough...it took so long for the romance to start that by the time the loyalty missions started I was pretty sure that I had somehow ****ed up and blew my chance for a romance by calling him ugly...I was this close to restarting my game when his loyalty mission popped up. I told myself "OK, We'll do this mission.  If he doesn't start putting out after this? I am restarting my game goddamnit."  I was sooo ecstatic when I saw that "We could relieve stress together" option.)

At this point Shep has had a growing attraction for the Turian and seizes that opportunity to make her attraction clear but also to "one up" the Turian in terms of a witty response, a response even HE couldn't predict would happen.  

And this sentence right here now makes that conversation at least 83% more awesome, now knowing that not only is Shep getting some Garrus love, she's also winning the game. Eff yes. :3

Modifié par siltsonata, 10 mars 2010 - 09:18 .

[Sialater]

janeym27 wrote...

aynxalot wrote...

Yes. Garrus and FemShep are teh kindred spirits. ==

Sshepard and Garrus help keep each other on track. She is his moral centre, what gives him direction and purpose. He is her shelter in the storm: the one person who has never let her down. They think the same, they 'get' one another.

I agree with Hyrul_gal that the banter showcasing their attraction is there in the beginning. ("If I wanted to do more than take down your shields, I would have") I think Shep is forward because she knows she'll have to be, because she knows Garrus (the fact that she was recently dead, and likly to be so again soon, probably helps). They are both testing the water, and give one another plenty of ways out. I think at this point in the story, they are both a little lost in their lives....

... and then they find each other!

The only problem with that is that he says the same thing to the male Shep, I believe.

[onibontan]

Umanix wrote...

Oh, this is looking fantastic so far! I'm assuming this is going to be Garrus and his team on Omega. Very cool. Please be sure to keep us updated on how this is progressing! 
 

Thanks, I'm happy somebody likes it Yup, it's Archangel and the gang

[janeym27]

Umanix wrote...

Honigkuchenpferd87 wrote...

I'm just going to leave this here ... A WIP obviously. When it's finished the scouter will have glow, I'll have painted over the lineart and it will hopefully look good. Just wish I knew what I was doing when painting

Oh, this is looking fantastic so far! I'm assuming this is going to be Garrus and his team on Omega. Very cool. Please be sure to keep us updated on how this is progressing! 

As for Garrus' potential future importance in the story: Hmm. You know, after replaying a little bit of Mass Effect (which has become incredibly difficult for me to do after Mass Effect 2), I remembered that in order for anyone to get into C-Sec, they need to have either a "Citadel Councilor" or "the ambassador of an associate Council race" sponsor an applicant’s skills and candidacy as an agent. You don't just "join" C-Sec, your skills and service history (provided an applicant has one) need to be evaluated and considered, not entirely unlike the Spectres. A similar process of representation is necessary in order to be targeted as a Spectre. For example: in the first game Udina pushes Shepard forward as humanity's best offer for Spectre status, and in the first Mass Effect book, Ambassador Goyle makes a bid for Anderson. 


This makes joining C-Sec and/or the Spectres pretty prestigious. Now I'm kind of curious as to who supported Garrus' candidacy for C-Sec and/or the Spectres. This would also kind of explain how Garrus may have had access to the Thannix cannon technology for the second game: being a member of C-Sec, being a (potential) part of the team that takes down Saren and rejoining C-Sec/joining the Spectres means Garrus might have more political weight in turian society than he leads on to.
 
BUH.

By the way: Have you guys/ladies had your cuppa liquid sugar Garrus today?

Sure have! With milk and sugar! (wait, that metaphor just went somewhere horrible)

That's an interesting thought, and it's given me one: what if Garrus is actually a Turien spy, sent to make sure Shepard sticks with the mission for the good of the former council races. Gaining her trust, making her approach him, slowly developing the ability to influence her. It's clear if Legion has been following Shepard since Eden Prime, that he role in the future of the galaxy has been determined for a while, in one way or another. What if Garrus is a Turien insurence policy that the alliance and Shepard won't screw everything up. They can't make their involvement more known n case the threat is real. Or maye there is a darker purpose: The Turiens know something we don't and want to use Shepard to get to something (much like the Illusive Man seems to).  Maybe everything with Garrus is a set up....

I don't know if my heart could take it. lol

But then, maybe, he finds himself attracted to Shepard against his better udgement, and is torn between his Turien sense of duty to the mission, and his love for a kindred soul....

[Pannamaslo]

Sialater wrote...


The only problem with that is that he says the same thing to the male Shep, I believe.

Yeah..There is only one gender specific dialog before Sidonis. When Garrus mentiones attractive scars.

[silentstephi]

Pannamaslo wrote...

Sialater wrote...


The only problem with that is that he says the same thing to the male Shep, I believe.

Yeah..There is only one gender specific dialog before Sidonis. When Garrus mentiones attractive scars.

Meh that's ok.  Still sounds awesome to FemShep (in my ears at least.)

[janeym27]

Sialater wrote...

janeym27 wrote...

aynxalot wrote...

Yes. Garrus and FemShep are teh kindred spirits. ==

Sshepard and Garrus help keep each other on track. She is his moral centre, what gives him direction and purpose. He is her shelter in the storm: the one person who has never let her down. They think the same, they 'get' one another.

I agree with Hyrul_gal that the banter showcasing their attraction is there in the beginning. ("If I wanted to do more than take down your shields, I would have") I think Shep is forward because she knows she'll have to be, because she knows Garrus (the fact that she was recently dead, and likly to be so again soon, probably helps). They are both testing the water, and give one another plenty of ways out. I think at this point in the story, they are both a little lost in their lives....

... and then they find each other!

The only problem with that is that he says the same thing to the male Shep, I believe.

Pft! This means nothing! lol. Also, he doesn't say the line about chicks digging scars to maleShep. And as for the sex story - the bro banter when played to flirtatious FemShep just becomes overt flirting (let's face it, FemShep flirts with EVERYONE!)

I was just using that line as an example of sexual tension I felt between them. I think FemShep reactions change the tone somewhat.

[Nissun]

Sialater wrote...


The only problem with that is that he says the same thing to the male Shep, I believe.

Problem? Problem???

[Splinter Cell 108]

janeym27 wrote...

Sialater wrote...

janeym27 wrote...

aynxalot wrote...

Yes. Garrus and FemShep are teh kindred spirits. ==

Sshepard and Garrus help keep each other on track. She is his moral centre, what gives him direction and purpose. He is her shelter in the storm: the one person who has never let her down. They think the same, they 'get' one another.

I agree with Hyrul_gal that the banter showcasing their attraction is there in the beginning. ("If I wanted to do more than take down your shields, I would have") I think Shep is forward because she knows she'll have to be, because she knows Garrus (the fact that she was recently dead, and likly to be so again soon, probably helps). They are both testing the water, and give one another plenty of ways out. I think at this point in the story, they are both a little lost in their lives....

... and then they find each other!

The only problem with that is that he says the same thing to the male Shep, I believe.

Pft! This means nothing! lol. Also, he doesn't say the line about chicks digging scars to maleShep. And as for the sex story - the bro banter when played to flirtatious FemShep just becomes overt flirting (let's face it, FemShep flirts with EVERYONE!)

I was just using that line as an example of sexual tension I felt between them. I think FemShep reactions change the tone somewhat.

I agree, sure he says it to the male Shepard too, however I like to interpret it differently with a female character. Garrus also talks about his sexual encounter with that other Turian with male Shepard, however like someone else siad that's fine since guys talk to guys about that stuff, however I doubt a guy would tell a girl about his experiences. Garrus hints to stuff, whether conciously or not he still says those things. I like to think he says them conciously though. He says those things but doesn't really talk about his attraction only hints to it so he doesn't accidentally say something stupid. Why? Maybe he thought Shepard would find it a horrible idea.

Telling Shepard about "Reach and Flexibility" was probably his attempt to attract her, however he probably thought it wouldn't work. It did and he felt all awkward about it afterwards, maybe because it wasn't the result he expected.

[aznsoisauce]

janeym27 wrote...

Umanix wrote...

Honigkuchenpferd87 wrote...

I'm just going to leave this here ... A WIP obviously. When it's finished the scouter will have glow, I'll have painted over the lineart and it will hopefully look good. Just wish I knew what I was doing when painting

Oh, this is looking fantastic so far! I'm assuming this is going to be Garrus and his team on Omega. Very cool. Please be sure to keep us updated on how this is progressing! 

As for Garrus' potential future importance in the story: Hmm. You know, after replaying a little bit of Mass Effect (which has become incredibly difficult for me to do after Mass Effect 2), I remembered that in order for anyone to get into C-Sec, they need to have either a "Citadel Councilor" or "the ambassador of an associate Council race" sponsor an applicant’s skills and candidacy as an agent. You don't just "join" C-Sec, your skills and service history (provided an applicant has one) need to be evaluated and considered, not entirely unlike the Spectres. A similar process of representation is necessary in order to be targeted as a Spectre. For example: in the first game Udina pushes Shepard forward as humanity's best offer for Spectre status, and in the first Mass Effect book, Ambassador Goyle makes a bid for Anderson. 


This makes joining C-Sec and/or the Spectres pretty prestigious. Now I'm kind of curious as to who supported Garrus' candidacy for C-Sec and/or the Spectres. This would also kind of explain how Garrus may have had access to the Thannix cannon technology for the second game: being a member of C-Sec, being a (potential) part of the team that takes down Saren and rejoining C-Sec/joining the Spectres means Garrus might have more political weight in turian society than he leads on to.
 
BUH.

By the way: Have you guys/ladies had your cuppa liquid sugar Garrus today?

Sure have! With milk and sugar! (wait, that metaphor just went somewhere horrible)

That's an interesting thought, and it's given me one: what if Garrus is actually a Turien spy, sent to make sure Shepard sticks with the mission for the good of the former council races. Gaining her trust, making her approach him, slowly developing the ability to influence her. It's clear if Legion has been following Shepard since Eden Prime, that he role in the future of the galaxy has been determined for a while, in one way or another. What if Garrus is a Turien insurence policy that the alliance and Shepard won't screw everything up. They can't make their involvement more known n case the threat is real. Or maye there is a darker purpose: The Turiens know something we don't and want to use Shepard to get to something (much like the Illusive Man seems to).  Maybe everything with Garrus is a set up....

I don't know if my heart could take it. lol

But then, maybe, he finds himself attracted to Shepard against his better udgement, and is torn between his Turien sense of duty to the mission, and his love for a kindred soul....

The very possibility makes me want to curl up in a corner and just rock back and forth as I try and find a happier place.

[Kim Shepard]

The possibility of Garrus being a spy... I don't think my Shepard would take it well if that happened. o_o; If it just started out that way and then he developed feelings for her, then she wouldn't mind it too much, but if he's still just being a spy and their whole romance was a lie, I think she'd kill him.

Shepard #2: I... I dismiss those claims! D:

I don't think it'll happen, but just the thought of it is sad for my poor Shepard. xD

[silentstephi]

aznsoisauce wrote...

janeym27 wrote...

Umanix wrote...

Honigkuchenpferd87 wrote...

I'm just going to leave this here ... A WIP obviously. When it's finished the scouter will have glow, I'll have painted over the lineart and it will hopefully look good. Just wish I knew what I was doing when painting

Oh, this is looking fantastic so far! I'm assuming this is going to be Garrus and his team on Omega. Very cool. Please be sure to keep us updated on how this is progressing! 

As for Garrus' potential future importance in the story: Hmm. You know, after replaying a little bit of Mass Effect (which has become incredibly difficult for me to do after Mass Effect 2), I remembered that in order for anyone to get into C-Sec, they need to have either a "Citadel Councilor" or "the ambassador of an associate Council race" sponsor an applicant’s skills and candidacy as an agent. You don't just "join" C-Sec, your skills and service history (provided an applicant has one) need to be evaluated and considered, not entirely unlike the Spectres. A similar process of representation is necessary in order to be targeted as a Spectre. For example: in the first game Udina pushes Shepard forward as humanity's best offer for Spectre status, and in the first Mass Effect book, Ambassador Goyle makes a bid for Anderson. 


This makes joining C-Sec and/or the Spectres pretty prestigious. Now I'm kind of curious as to who supported Garrus' candidacy for C-Sec and/or the Spectres. This would also kind of explain how Garrus may have had access to the Thannix cannon technology for the second game: being a member of C-Sec, being a (potential) part of the team that takes down Saren and rejoining C-Sec/joining the Spectres means Garrus might have more political weight in turian society than he leads on to.
 
BUH.

By the way: Have you guys/ladies had your cuppa liquid sugar Garrus today?

Sure have! With milk and sugar! (wait, that metaphor just went somewhere horrible)

That's an interesting thought, and it's given me one: what if Garrus is actually a Turien spy, sent to make sure Shepard sticks with the mission for the good of the former council races. Gaining her trust, making her approach him, slowly developing the ability to influence her. It's clear if Legion has been following Shepard since Eden Prime, that he role in the future of the galaxy has been determined for a while, in one way or another. What if Garrus is a Turien insurence policy that the alliance and Shepard won't screw everything up. They can't make their involvement more known n case the threat is real. Or maye there is a darker purpose: The Turiens know something we don't and want to use Shepard to get to something (much like the Illusive Man seems to).  Maybe everything with Garrus is a set up....

I don't know if my heart could take it. lol

But then, maybe, he finds himself attracted to Shepard against his better udgement, and is torn between his Turien sense of duty to the mission, and his love for a kindred soul....

The very possibility makes me want to curl up in a corner and just rock back and forth as I try and find a happier place.

Sorry for the long quote... but that kind of convoluted story doesn't strike me as very Turian in origin.  More Salarian than Turian.  It's too.. under handed.  They seem to have this whole 'what you see is what you get' to their culture.  Deception on that kind of scale, or subtly on that level doesn't seem to be something that's turian nature.

I could be reading turians wrong, but that's just me.
And yea, my heart would explode too if Garrus really was some sort of double agent.  But I really don't think he is. (Right BioWare? Right?!)

[onibontan]

aynxalot wrote...

Yes. Garrus and FemShep are teh kindred spirits. ==

Everyone keep suggesting Garrus music, too, I'm getting a good collection going.
Squee! MissNet you are mah hero! Now my DH can O_o everytime my phone screams "HEADSHOT!" at him. *L*
Also, this one-shotter, as promised: http://www.fanfiction.net/s/5805675/1/

In other news, I'm following the ME turian/etc. personas, but one thing that bugs me: The guy who plays the most active Garrus (I think there's like 3, but only 1 who posts regularly) is very anti-GarrusXFemShep. *pout* The guys who play Chellik, Lihilera-whatever and Turian Councilor, on the other hand.,.. >

Nice! I liked that it was written in a kind of unemotional tone, like he was numb from exhaustion and grief. And it ended just at the right spot. I've read a lot of rewrites of that scene but yours had a little something of its own. Thumbs up!

[siltsonata]

Splinter Cell 108 wrote...
I agree, sure he says it to the male Shepard too, however I like to interpret it differently with a female character. Garrus also talks about his sexual encounter with that other Turian with male Shepard, however like someone else siad that's fine since guys talk to guys about that stuff, however I doubt a guy would tell a girl about his experiences. Garrus hints to stuff, whether conciously or not he still says those things. I like to think he says them conciously though. He says those things but doesn't really talk about his attraction only hints to it so he doesn't accidentally say something stupid. Why? Maybe he thought Shepard would find it a horrible idea.

Telling Shepard about "Reach and Flexibility" was probably his attempt to attract her, however he probably thought it wouldn't work. It did and he felt all awkward about it afterwards, maybe because it wasn't the result he expected.

Yesyesyes.  I think lines are supposed to be interpreted differently for different genders.  

For instance, Miranda's mention about how she was created to be great despite her limitations and Shepard is great because of them (or something like that?)  For a Femshep, I see that as Miranda feeling hopeless in comparing herself to the "Real" perfect woman on the ship, and the one who didn't have to be created to boot.  

For a manshep, that seems like a broken "No one will ever love me" sort of lament, charged with a feeling of "Underneath this cold exterior I really want someone to take care of me."  Exact same line.  Totally different meanings for me. 

(Although...now that I think about it I've never heard that convo between a maleshep and Miri.  I'm only assuming it's the same since it's a non-li dialogue. )

[Ms Cherissa]

silentstephi wrote...
Sorry for the long quote... but that kind of convoluted story doesn't strike me as very Turian in origin.  More Salarian than Turian.  It's too.. under handed.  They seem to have this whole 'what you see is what you get' to their culture.  Deception on that kind of scale, or subtly on that level doesn't seem to be something that's turian nature.

I could be reading turians wrong, but that's just me.
And yea, my heart would explode too if Garrus really was some sort of double agent.  But I really don't think he is. (Right BioWare? Right?!)

And yet we know that some of the best Spectres are turian, and Spectres can do whatever they like to get the job done. We also know they use the term 'barefaced' and we've seen Sidonis betray his teammates.

Turians may, as a whole, be honorable and up front, but they are quite capable of deception, especially if it's for the greater good.

Garrus DID return to either C-Sec and/or Spectre training, depending on your playthrough. If word reached the Council that Cerberus had Shep's body and that project Lazarus was a go, yeah, I could see it.

I TOTALLY think it's not the case, but it'd sure make for some interesting ficlets.

[aznsoisauce]

Umanix wrote...
This thread needs more uplifting SHEPARD TEAM ASSEMBLING.
 

Thanks for that. 
*sniffle*

[Cerrydd]

Ehmmm... It's not possible to flirt with Garrus with maleShep, right? So you don't get Mordin's advice about human-turian intercourse, right?

I just found a soundfile in Mordin's dialogues with maleShep saying "I am not screwing Garrus."

Uhh..

[Ms Cherissa]

Cerrydd wrote...

Ehmmm... It's not possible to flirt with Garrus with maleShep, right? So you don't get Mordin's advice about human-turian intercourse, right?

I just found a soundfile in Mordin's dialogues with maleShep saying "I am not screwing Garrus."

Uhh..

Link or it didn't happen.

[silentstephi]

Ms Cherissa wrote...

silentstephi wrote...
Sorry for the long quote... but that kind of convoluted story doesn't strike me as very Turian in origin.  More Salarian than Turian.  It's too.. under handed.  They seem to have this whole 'what you see is what you get' to their culture.  Deception on that kind of scale, or subtly on that level doesn't seem to be something that's turian nature.

I could be reading turians wrong, but that's just me.
And yea, my heart would explode too if Garrus really was some sort of double agent.  But I really don't think he is. (Right BioWare? Right?!)

And yet we know that some of the best Spectres are turian, and Spectres can do whatever they like to get the job done. We also know they use the term 'barefaced' and we've seen Sidonis betray his teammates.

Turians may, as a whole, be honorable and up front, but they are quite capable of deception, especially if it's for the greater good.

Garrus DID return to either C-Sec and/or Spectre training, depending on your playthrough. If word reached the Council that Cerberus had Shep's body and that project Lazarus was a go, yeah, I could see it.

I TOTALLY think it's not the case, but it'd sure make for some interesting ficlets.

True... grah.  I guess it's just no matter what it is, you can get blinded by popular perceptions.
I can see any culture worthy of something like that.  But if what we see is what we get with Garrus... I can't really see him as the type of person to carry out that kind of deception, ya know?  But that'd be one hell of a betrayal plot.  I know I'd have never seen it coming. 
Also /mourns her camera
The batteries don't give it the powah! 

[silentstephi]

Ms Cherissa wrote...

Cerrydd wrote...

Ehmmm... It's not possible to flirt with Garrus with maleShep, right? So you don't get Mordin's advice about human-turian intercourse, right?

I just found a soundfile in Mordin's dialogues with maleShep saying "I am not screwing Garrus."

Uhh..

Link or it didn't happen.

I thought I heard some where that they had the same sex options and voice stuff prepared and then the higher ups said nix it.  So the sound files stayed but the code was altered to disallow it, er something?

[Nissun]

Cerrydd wrote...

Ehmmm... It's not possible to flirt with Garrus with maleShep, right? So you don't get Mordin's advice about human-turian intercourse, right?

I just found a soundfile in Mordin's dialogues with maleShep saying "I am not screwing Garrus."

Uhh..

Please tell me this is truth. Please tell me it was recorded.

Someone, please, before I pass out.

Modifié par Nissun, 10 mars 2010 - 10:10 .

[Arab25]

Ms Cherissa wrote...

Cerrydd wrote...

Ehmmm... It's not possible to flirt with Garrus with maleShep, right? So you don't get Mordin's advice about human-turian intercourse, right?

I just found a soundfile in Mordin's dialogues with maleShep saying "I am not screwing Garrus."

Uhh..

Link or it didn't happen.

 I hope it did.

[Cerrydd]

I am not screwing Garrus. Seriously.

It also has femShep talking about Tali, Jack and Miranda. They probably recorded it, just in case. Still, I was like... wtf? Did I hear that right? lol.