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[Gerse1]

I remember thinking once that I'd never seen another turian with Garrus's tats either.  But then I always assumed it was because he's a central character, and from a design standpoint those types of characters always have unique physical characteristics to make them "special." (for example Liara is the only asari with those draw-on eyebrows, and cute little freckles.  Samara and Morinth had sparkly "fringe", haven't seen that on any other asari.  Mordin has a rare skin tone. etc).  So I don't think it's necessarily that Garrus is the only turian in the galaxy with those markings, likely he's not, but it's possible.  Didn't he grow up on Palaven? Have we met other turians from Palaven yet?  If not then maybe it's just the Palaven marking.


Also this thread makes me smile and laugh so much :) all those wonderful comics.  The NSFW one makes me laugh out loud STILL.  And I really love the one with Tali and Garrus.  They're all hilarious though.

Edit for adding some examples to my points.

Modifié par Gerse1, 12 mars 2010 - 02:42 .

[Gerse1]

Umanix wrote...

I don't know, technology like the Thanix Cannon (woohoo for finally spelling it right *grumble grumble*) doesn't seem like it'd be readily available information, especially if what was said about it in the Mass Effect wiki is true. It definitely wasn't available when the original Normandy was developed.

From the Wiki:

"The Thanix Magnetic-Hydrodynamic Weapon is a turian-developed, miniaturized version of the weapon used by Sovereign during its attack on the Citadel. Following the Battle of the Citadel, human and turian volunteers conducted a massive three-month survey effort to clear the station's orbit of debris. Secretly, the turian Office of Technological Reconnaissance "volunteers" were technology recovery specialists salvaging the main weapon of the geth flagship Sovereign, and large amounts of its valuable element zero core.

Only 11 months after the battle, the turians produced the Thanix, their own miniaturized version of Sovereign's gun. The Thanix can fire reliably every five seconds, rivaling a cruiser's firepower but mountable on a fighter or frigate."

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I'm not sure the turians would let that information slide along to just anyone. I don't think Garrus is a spy, though. I just think he has quite a bit more importance in turian society than he leads on to.

Oh, and Garrus.

EDIT: And as far as I know, Garrus is the only turian that I've seen with...well, his markings. Some people have referred to markings that are similar to Garrus' on C-Sec turians, but he seems to be the only turian with those markings in the game.

By some people do you mean NPCs? Or people who have seen turian NPCs in C-Sec with his marking?  I do remember way the hell back when ME1 first came out, reading the codex, and wondering to myself if Garrus's blue markings were supposed to match his C-Sec uniform, or something along those lines.  But Pallin and Chellick and others did not have them.

Also, the codex info about the Thanix cannon does make this whole issue even murkier.  Because by 11 months after the battle, Garrus was already on Omega.  So either one of his teammates there had connections and he's had the plans for a while, or he got them sometime during the events of ME2 through some kind of contact.  I still don't think he's a "spy" per se, but clearly, as you said, he's got some kind of connection we don't know about.  It could be as simple as former turian colleagues still working on the Citadel who he phoned up or whatever. OR it could be something much more interesting

[Gerse1]

Also (third post in a row, gyah), I wonder why only turians and humans were on Sovereign wreck cleanup duty? It is interesting how the turians and humans seem to work together so much as a race, considering the First Contact War (only a generation ago, right?) I think the Codex also mentions how humans and turians are reliable trading partners even though some racial "resentment" or whatnot lingers. And they co-built the Normandy. I guess the turians appreciate the humans' military. It's much more similar to theirs than the other races. That and the two species are similar in lifespan and outlook (codex mentions ssoe turians have converted to Buddhism and Confucianism I think?)

[Sialater]

Like I said, God help Citadel Space if the turians and humans ever completely team up.

[silentstephi]

Sialater wrote...

Like I said, God help Citadel Space if the turians and humans ever completely team up.

Erm... suddenly the Turian Councilor/Shepard kink just clicked in my brain...
Too much masskink...

ANYWHOODLE - The codex helps put a better perspective on it... but it could be something a long the lines of the types of favors Garrus can pull in. 
There was a lot of things that I bet are big loose ends when it comes to Sovereigns left overs.  So many people got their hands on salvage.  Anderson mentions it during his convo with him.  It's like their's your in game reason for multitudes of orginizations having access to Reaper tech, right there.

[enormousmoonboots]

Consider the following: Garrus's facial markings are blue. C-Sec uniforms are blue. The turians invented C-Sec. Turians have blue blood. Blue must be more of an aggressive color to them, like humans wearing red. It actually fits with Garrus's hot-blooded approach if you consider that turians probably see the cooler spectrum as being the more aggressive one.

I've never seen another 'Palaven' turian, but then again, most humans in the Mass Effect universe are not from Earth. Miranda, Kaidan, and Ashley definitely are, potentially Shepard. But Miranda's original surname (Solheim) was even supposed to emphasize the fact that she's from Earth, when not a lot of earthborn humans leave. Either too rich to bother going into space (Miranda, for most of her life), or too poor to afford to move (Earthborn Shep until the military).

Hm...Garrus says he grew up on Palaven. That means that either he wasn't living with his father, or his father was already retired ~30 years ago, which would make him pretty old, even by ME standards.

Modifié par enormousmoonboots, 12 mars 2010 - 03:06 .

[silentstephi]

enormousmoonboots wrote...

Consider the following: Garrus's facial markings are blue. C-Sec uniforms are blue. The turians invented C-Sec. Turians have blue blood. Blue must be more of an aggressive color to them, like humans wearing red. It actually fits with Garrus's hot-blooded approach if you consider that turians probably see the cooler spectrum as being the more aggressive one.

I've never seen another 'Palaven' turian, but then again, most humans in the Mass Effect universe are not from Earth. Miranda, Kaidan, and Ashley definitely are, potentially Shepard. But Miranda's original surname (Solheim) was even supposed to emphasize the fact that she's from Earth, when not a lot of earthborn humans leave. Either too rich to bother going into space (Miranda, for most of her life), or too poor to afford to move (Earthborn Shep until the military).

Hm...Garrus says he grew up on Palaven. That means that either he wasn't living with his father, or his father was already retired ~30 years ago, which would make him pretty old, even by ME standards.

That's just too awesome beyond words.  I love cool colors... >.>
Well, this settles it.  Gonna fire up ME1 and do another play through into ME2... I need a seperate name... gah. This is gonna suck.

[Goat_Shepard]

What's this I hear about Garrus having a different story (i.e. he does something different during the 2 years Shepard was dead) depending on whether you treat him like a Paragon in ME1 or if you treated him like a Renegade? If you treat him like a Renegade in ME1 you basically agree with him if you go Paragon you tell him all his views are wrong and he shouldn't harm innocence to get the job done, etc.



Basically, when I said "I was tired of sneaking around anyway, time to spill a little merc blood" and Garrus says "I see you haven't changed" does he ever say something different depending on how you act?

[enormousmoonboots]

Goat_Shepard wrote...

What's this I hear about Garrus having a different story (i.e. he does something different during the 2 years Shepard was dead) depending on whether you treat him like a Paragon in ME1 or if you treated him like a Renegade? If you treat him like a Renegade in ME1 you basically agree with him if you go Paragon you tell him all his views are wrong and he shouldn't harm innocence to get the job done, etc.

Basically, when I said "I was tired of sneaking around anyway, time to spill a little merc blood" and Garrus says "I see you haven't changed" does he ever say something different depending on how you act?

It's not much of a difference, actually. Paragon, he goes back to C-Sec and decides to reapply for the Spectres and 'do things right'. Renegade, he just decides to reapply for the Spectres. After Shepard dies and the Council and Alliance dick all over the place about it, he ragequits to Omega to become Batman, regardless of 'persuading'.

There's no significant dialog difference; as far as I'm aware, the only one is if you ask him what he intends to do about Sidonis in the scene right before the heavy mechs and Harkin. Paragon, he says "I know it's not what you'd do, but I'm not you." Renegade, "You're the one who taught me killing was the best way to deal with these things." Paraphrased, but you get the idea.

[silentstephi]

Random probably not important thought:



Nihlus is a gorgeous red... which probably means his plates have a heavy iron content... I wonder what metal Garrus's plates are? Silver?

[aznsoisauce]

The material girl in me says "Platinum."

[A Blind Bandit]

enormousmoonboots wrote...

Consider the following: Garrus's facial markings are blue. C-Sec uniforms are blue. The turians invented C-Sec. Turians have blue blood. Blue must be more of an aggressive color to them, like humans wearing red. It actually fits with Garrus's hot-blooded approach if you consider that turians probably see the cooler spectrum as being the more aggressive one.

I've never seen another 'Palaven' turian, but then again, most humans in the Mass Effect universe are not from Earth. Miranda, Kaidan, and Ashley definitely are, potentially Shepard. But Miranda's original surname (Solheim) was even supposed to emphasize the fact that she's from Earth, when not a lot of earthborn humans leave. Either too rich to bother going into space (Miranda, for most of her life), or too poor to afford to move (Earthborn Shep until the military).

Hm...Garrus says he grew up on Palaven. That means that either he wasn't living with his father, or his father was already retired ~30 years ago, which would make him pretty old, even by ME standards.

Isn't the warden on the purgatory from Palaven?

[Liec]

Garrus probably secured the plans or the cannon itself from the merc bands in Omega. At least the Blue Suns were smugglers, after all.

[aznsoisauce]

Garrus probably did get the Thanix design through his own personal channels even while aboard the Normandy SR-2. It seems as though every crew member has access to their own personal messages to communicate with the outside world. Which is...fantastic considering there's little to no indication that they talk to anyone except Shepard.

What kind of messages do you think Garrus sifts through?
*cough*DoctorMichel*cough*

[Ms Cherissa]

A Blind Bandit wrote...
Isn't the warden on the purgatory from Palaven?

Yes, but he's barefaced.

Re: Papa Vakarian - many law enforcement officials are married first to their jobs, then to their spouses. Garrus speaks in ME1 about always seeing his father 'on the vids'.  At a guess? Largely absent father, with visits back to Palaven when possible.

I suspect the scale colors have less to do with the metal of any given turian - which like with real living animals is probably lots of minerals rather than just one - and more to do with the same sorts of genetics that give us eye color and hair color.

I always took Garrus's tats to mean his (preferred or dominant) ancestral colony of origin, especially since he says he grew up on Palaven, not that he was born there. Whole lotta turian colonies out there, it could just have been a smaller one so we see fewer of that tat.

[silentstephi]

Ms Cherissa wrote...

A Blind Bandit wrote...
Isn't the warden on the purgatory from Palaven?

Yes, but he's barefaced.

Re: Papa Vakarian - many law enforcement officials are married first to their jobs, then to their spouses. Garrus speaks in ME1 about always seeing his father 'on the vids'.  At a guess? Largely absent father, with visits back to Palaven when possible.

I suspect the scale colors have less to do with the metal of any given turian - which like with real living animals is probably lots of minerals rather than just one - and more to do with the same sorts of genetics that give us eye color and hair color.

I always took Garrus's tats to mean his (preferred or dominant) ancestral colony of origin, especially since he says he grew up on Palaven, not that he was born there. Whole lotta turian colonies out there, it could just have been a smaller one so we see fewer of that tat.

Probably... I just got stuck on this new Shepard and was just... staring at Nihlus... because he's a purdy turian....

[enormousmoonboots]

Ms Cherissa wrote...

A Blind Bandit wrote...
Isn't the warden on the purgatory from Palaven?

Yes, but he's barefaced.

Whoa whoa whoa, when does he tell you this? Did I completely blank out at that part? Sh*t, if he's from Palaven then all my insignia theories are Jossed. Unless it's possible to get stripped of it? If he got into enough hot water with the Hierarchy, his citizenship could have been revoked, forcing him out into the Terminus systems barefaced.

I always took Garrus's tats to mean his (preferred or dominant) ancestral colony of origin, especially since he says he grew up on Palaven, not that he was born there. Whole lotta turian colonies out there, it could just have been a smaller one so we see fewer of that tat.

The only problem I have with that is the existence of barefaced turians; if you can take your ancestor's markings, well, EVERY turian has an ancestor on a turian colony. Even on the homeworld, if you go far enough back. Barefaced is an undesirable social status; if they could just cite their great-great-grandmother from Parthia and get the Parthia marking, there wouldn't be any barefaced turians.

Modifié par enormousmoonboots, 12 mars 2010 - 04:41 .

[Splinter Cell 108]

Umanix wrote...

Gerse1 wrote...

By some people do you mean NPCs? Or people who have seen turian NPCs in C-Sec with his marking?  I do remember way the hell back when ME1 first came out, reading the codex, and wondering to myself if Garrus's blue markings were supposed to match his C-Sec uniform, or something along those lines.  But Pallin and Chellick and others did not have them.

Also, the codex info about the Thanix cannon does make this whole issue even murkier.  Because by 11 months after the battle, Garrus was already on Omega.  So either one of his teammates there had connections and he's had the plans for a while, or he got them sometime during the events of ME2 through some kind of contact.  I still don't think he's a "spy" per se, but clearly, as you said, he's got some kind of connection we don't know about.  It could be as simple as former turian colleagues still working on the Citadel who he phoned up or whatever. OR it could be something much more interesting

Haha, by some people, I meant some of the posters from this thread. Someone had linked a picture to a C-sec turian, and part of the markings on said turian's mandibles did vaguely resemble Garrus' markings. But as far as I'm aware, Garrus is the only turian that we've seen that has those distinct markings.

EDIT: Here is the picture of C-Sec turian in question.



I can see a slight similarity with the bottom marking, but that's about it.

Regardless of how Garrus got the information, it's clear the Thanix Cannon technology is not intended to be generally accessible knowledge. Garrus has connections with the right people, and I think his connections will be extremely valuable to Shepard's success against the Reapers in Mass Effect 3.

@ Goat_Shepard: The ethics of killing mercs is not necessarily something that was discussed with Garrus in Mass Effect. Shepard's conversations with Garrus centered mostly around Garrus' methodology of taking down criminals--whether that be quick and to the point (taking down the criminal no matter what), or careful and methodical (being more concerned with civilian safety than whether or not the criminal is caught). Besides, Shepard killed lots of mercenaries without so much as blinking an eye in the first game, and the mercs that Garrus fights on Omega aren't exactly...repentant.

Garrus' comment doesn't seem particularly renegade to me in that respect. But to answer your question, no, he says, "Glad to see you haven't changed" regardless of how you persuaded him in Mass Effect.

I posted that picture some time ago. As for Garrus' tatoos not matching that Turian. It could be a different variation of C-Sec tatoos that Garrus uses and maybe others use but aren't present. It's all speculation, his tatoos could be from Palaven. However we won't find out unless they give us Palaven.

[silentstephi]

Umanix wrote...

Splinter Cell 108 wrote...

I posted that picture some time ago. As for Garrus' tatoos not matching that Turian. It could be a different variation of C-Sec tatoos that Garrus uses and maybe others use but aren't present.

Yes, it very well could be a variation. Nihlus' markings, despite some similarities that he may have with the turian councilor and a few other turian NPCs, are slightly different. Nihlus' tattoo covers more of his fringe than the other turian NPCs with similar markings. 

Splinter Cell 108 wrote...

It's all speculation, his tatoos could be from Palaven. However we won't find out unless they give us Palaven.

BioWare, please give us Palaven, so that we can haz more on turian anatomy and turian tattoos.

Fixt

[Ms Cherissa]

enormousmoonboots wrote...
The only problem I have with that is the existence of barefaced turians; if you can take your ancestor's markings, well,  VERY turian has an ancestor on a turian colony. Even on the homeworld, if you go far enough back. Barefaced is an undesirable social status; if they could just cite their great-great-grandmother from Parthia and get the Parthia marking, there wouldn't be any barefaced turians.

We don't know how far back they're allowed to go to claim their colonial emblems, and not everyone leaves the homeworld (see Earth, the Batarian Hegemony and most of asari space as examples of a small percentage leaving and colonizing).

[silentstephi]

Ms Cherissa wrote...

enormousmoonboots wrote...
The only problem I have with that is the existence of barefaced turians; if you can take your ancestor's markings, well,  VERY turian has an ancestor on a turian colony. Even on the homeworld, if you go far enough back. Barefaced is an undesirable social status; if they could just cite their great-great-grandmother from Parthia and get the Parthia marking, there wouldn't be any barefaced turians.

We don't know how far back they're allowed to go to claim their colonial emblems, and not everyone leaves the homeworld (see Earth, the Batarian Hegemony and most of asari space as examples of a small percentage leaving and colonizing).

it's harder to gain that kind of perspective I guess when you come across a ton of outcasts/colonists/freelancers/etc in the games. 
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Want more info on turians...
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