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Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...

Sialater wrote...

The difference between Saleon and Sidonis is that Saleon was professional: Garrus MADE it personal.

Sidonis was and always will be personal. Plus, if Shep hadn't show up... how much longer would Archangel have held out?  And WE'D be looking for revenge on Sidonis for Garrus.

In BDtS, my Shepards always let the hostages die to stop Balak and nobody talks about Shepard becoming Saren because she's still the hero of the story.


Actually: She is Saren. Think about it: geth army, krogan cure, rachni army, asari matriarch on HER side.

And those are the paragon choices.

But, she's doing it better.


Last time i checked, saren wanted all of humanity destroyed, and destroy the citadel, and to bring back the reapers to wipe out all galactic life.....similar strategies, not the same person.


That's not what he wanted.  He wanted the existence the Collectors/Proteans have.  He figured it was better to serve the masters, ie the Reapers, than face extinction. 

He DID NOT want the anihiliation of all sentient life.  He was hoping for what the Collectors have, not seeing that it's worse.

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Cerrydd wrote...

Besides, I'm very curious how Sidonis will make it up to Garrus in ME3. If Bioware won't forget about him...


Most likely he would just send an email to you about how you save his life and thanking you and bla bla bla..
personally, I would love to have some sidonis dialouge, maybe he can be an important NPC or a squamate if garrus dies, but its just my opinion though

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I always choose the paragon route for Garrus' loyalty mission on my main Shepard. She's a colonist/sole survivor, so she's very familiar with the lust for revenge. But there's a big difference between batarian slavers (who intentionally endanger and/or kill innocent people for their own greed), Cerberus agents (who sacrificed an entire unit to thresher maws for "research" and then cruelly experimented on the remaining survivor), and Sidonis. If Sidonis had betrayed Garrus with malicious intent, then she would have had no problem letting him take a bullet to the head. He probably would have been beyond redemption then. But Sidonis was forced to either betray his team or face death--or worse, torture, or WORSE, death/torture of his loved ones--at the hands of the mercs. He wasn't strong enough to refuse them, so he betrayed his team.

He's a coward (though I suppose that makes most people cowards because most people would have done the same thing, so I guess it would be better to say that he is unremarkable and was unfit to be a part of a vigilante team), but in my opinion he doesn't deserve death. He's already suffering enough as it is. That can be his punishment. Besides, killing him accomplishes nothing except giving Garrus a brief moment of closure. Letting him live not only gives Sidonis the chance to redeem himself but it also allows Garrus to contemplate things about himself that he normally would not. I didn't really view it as patronizing him. I saw it as Shepard watching out for Garrus, because sometimes what your friends want isn't always what they need. Just because they're equals doesn't mean she can't challenge his decisions. I consider my friends to be my equals, but if I think they're about to do something stupid I'm not just going to sit back and let them--especially not if someone else's  life is at stake.

But that's just my opinion, you don't have to go spreadin' it around or anything. :P

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falco117 wrote...

Cerrydd wrote...

Besides, I'm very curious how Sidonis will make it up to Garrus in ME3. If Bioware won't forget about him...


Most likely he would just send an email to you about how you save his life and thanking you and bla bla bla..
personally, I would love to have some sidonis dialouge, maybe he can be an important NPC or a squamate if garrus dies, but its just my opinion though


In this thread....only traitors would let garrus die. And i wouldn't want to have a gay person like sidonis to be part of my team anyway, if someone is replacing garrus, he/she better be a turian badass.

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Cerrydd wrote...

As I've said before (don't know if it was in this tread or the previous one): if there was an "it's your call, Garrus"-option, I would've chosen that one. But not before talking to Sidonis first. I don't want Garrus to become a copy of me or lecture and question everything he does, but I do want to make him think. I only heard Garrus' side of the story and I wanted to find out what Sidonis had to say. Sure, he's a coward and he's pretty dumb to mess around with our badass turian, but I didn't see any evil in him. If I could say, "Ok Garrus, you heard it. What do you want?" and Garrus still wanted to kill him, I'd be fine with it. It's his revenge, not mine. But there isn't such an option, so I talked him out of it. Afterwards, Garrus says that he could still see good in Sidonis. I don't know if he says that just to please his commander, but to me it sounded like hearing Sidonis' side of the story really got him thinking more about if this is what he really wanted.

Besides, I'm very curious how Sidonis will make it up to Garrus in ME3. If Bioware won't forget about him...


I agree with everything you said.  Regarding the part I bolded, while an explicit dialogue option to that effect wasn't there, I personally see the saving Sidonis route as a close equivalent (just mix in a little imagination).  Because it's not like you stand in the way until Sidonis leaves, or Garrus's rifle malfunctions, or something.  If you pay attention to the dialogue, you see that Garrus still techinically decides on his own that he's not going to fire.  He hears what Sidonis has to say about his miserable life, and then lowers the rifle and says fine, you got lucky this time, tell him to get out of here, Shepard.  By standing in the way of the scope, Shepard just gives him more time to think about it, to let his boiling blood cool a little.

(EDIT: ok ninja'd by moonboots.  I'm back to my old bad habits of not reading to the end before I reply :pinched:).

And I also disagree with the notion that the paragon option is patronizing or coercive of Garrus.  Again, you have to read between the lines a little, but this is roleplaying after all.  It's not even necessarily contradictory of Shepard to agree to the mission, only to "thwart" it in the end (I admit I felt that a little at first though).  My paragade Shep respects and values their relationship, and seeing how the past 2 years have treated him makes her really want to do what she can for her friend to help him find peace with himself and the past.  So when he first asks her for help (and the key is he outright asks for it), she doesn't want to say no, and at first thinks maybe it will be a good idea.  And if the mission was "drive Garrus to the Citadel and wait in the car while he takes care of business" then Sidonis would have died in my game too. 

The tipping point for my Shepard was that she was the bait, that she had to make the affirmative action of stepping aside, knowing her action would trigger his death.  So for my Shepard -- who believes in the power of mercy and pretty much always gives "bad" people the option to run away or only kills if they fire first -- stepping aside was too much for her, not Garrus.

Plus, like someone said, you get more dialogue the paragon route.  And just as a personal preference I think it makes for a more satisfying story arc for Garrus.  He already inclines easily to renegade; pushing him paragon is the more difficult route, and thus potentially more rewarding in the end.  

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Cerrydd wrote...

I'm all about second chances, even if it comes biting me in the @ss after a while. (Elnora, drama queen asari ****, I'm looking at you). If Sidonis screws up a second time in ME3 he'll be dead either way.


LOL, this, that's the only time my Shep felt like a real chump for being merciful to someone...

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I'm not really sure why some people think taking the paragon route on his loyalty mission is patronizing Garrus or belittling him in some way. Shepard is just giving Garrus perspective by pointing out how Sidonis is already punishing himself for his "crime." The decision to kill Sidonis or not is still left up to Garrus.

At least, that's the way I interpret it.

Oh, and I let Garrus choose not to kill Sidonis. Hur hur.

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Gerse1 wrote...

Sialater wrote...

RPGmom28 wrote...

My first playthrough, Thane got carried away in a swarm, and Tali got hit by a blaster while the doors were closing. I've done a through playthroughs now where no one died, but I always flip out when Garrus gets "hit" with a bullet but doesn't die. It's like they want you to worry yourself into a tizzy.


Almost makes you want to make Miranda that team's leader so you don't have to see that. :innocent:


Actually I love that little scene!  As far as I know the G-man is the only character who can get shot and live like that.  And speaking of Garrus-Shep physical contact, she runs over to him and actually looks worried and touches his arm and if you use your fangirl powers hard enough you can see a meaningful look exchanged between them :kissing:

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One of my FAVORITE screen shots. 
Plus, no worries, I'll still have all this vid footage kicking around way after I use it. XD
(now to catch up on the few pages i've missed!)

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Ray Joel Oh wrote...

Interesting question in the other thread. Did you let Garrus kill Sidonis? I did not.

The first time. Yes.  Playing a Renegade after all.
Since then.  Yes.  But only after all the paragon conversations.  Why?  Because Shepard wants him to make sure he's doing it for all the right reasons.
In the end, he does right by all 11 of his men.

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[quote]silentstephi wrote...

[quote]Gerse1 wrote...



Actually I love that little scene!  As far as I know the G-man is the only character who can get shot and live like that.  And speaking of Garrus-Shep physical contact, she runs over to him and actually looks worried and touches his arm and if you use your fangirl powers hard enough you can see a meaningful look exchanged between them :kissing:

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Fan girl powers activated
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One of my FAVORITE screen shots. 
Plus, no worries, I'll still have all this vid footage kicking around way after I use it. XD
(now to catch up on the few pages i've missed!)

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See! I knew someone else would understand.  Plus, if you have very advanced fangirl powers, during the video when Shepard runs over, their hands are below where the screen cuts off but one could believe it looks like she puts her hand over his where he's holding his stomach to lift it and check for blood/guts/other things to strike fear in our hearts.  It's very brief but I swear it's there :bandit::bandit::bandit:

edit for formatting fail as usual

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Xalena wrote...

aznsoisauce wrote...

Ray Joel Oh wrote...

Cerrydd wrote...

He has a role in The Pacific - can't wait to hear Garrus in a human military uniform. I don't know how big his role will be, but I'm sure I'll be like OMFGGGGGGGG GARRUSS WAAAHAHAHHHHHHHHHH, even if he only has 1 line.


Here's some good clips of his voice actor, Brandon Keener, in the game "Company of Heroes." He's a sniper there, too!

By the Beard.
Brandon Keener AND Crispin Freeman? The sextastic levels of the sound of their voices...it's unfathomable.


I wet my pants listening this video :blush: and lol about comments on you tube... I start to feel sorry for Brandon Keener... I think that Garrus shadow will follow him even after his death.... I imagine him  go crazy one day, steals Cherissa's Turian costume, wear it and become vigilante in some city....>...lol >.<

No, Keener will never become the Robocop guy from Kiss Kiss, Bang Bang.  Nooot gonna happen :police:

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>FIXED ARMOR



YES PLEASE



(staring at it isn't going to make the bleeding stop, buddy, go see Chakwas)

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enormousmoonboots wrote...
 I'm not arguing that the mercs were nice people or anything


This is a good point though. If you actually talk with all the mercs, most of them seem decent enough people, as individuals. (Bring Zaeed for anything Blue Suns related, starting with the Archangel recruitment, the extra dialogue is worth it.)  Even the recruiter at Afterlife comes across (to me, anyway) as trying to tease FemShep in a friendly way. Tacky, but friendly. Salkie and Sgt Cathka are surprisingly warm (to a human) for Batarians. Even Eclipse is known for their anti-slavery actions (you don't learn this unless you're a completionist like me and explore EVERY planet and moon and asteroid and read EVERY info blurb).  Blood Pack, not as overall decent as Blue Suns and Eclipse, but even they were formed up originally to restore someone's honor.

Granted, most mercs are still likely to be involved in more criminal activity and less private security detail, but these are not all terrible people. They have depth.

And if they were on Omega, well, now they have tombstones.

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Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...
In this thread....only traitors would let garrus die. And i wouldn't want to have a gay person like sidonis to be part of my team anyway, if someone is replacing garrus, he/she better be a turian badass.


I am SURE you did not mean to use that word in that manner.  Shame on you - and shame on me for not catching it and calling you out on it sooner.  The only appropriate response is to say you didn't mean it the way it came out and correct it.  Unless you are doing so, don't bother replying to me as we have got nothing to discuss.

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enormousmoonboots wrote...

>FIXED ARMOR

YES PLEASE

(staring at it isn't going to make the bleeding stop, buddy, go see Chakwas)


I KNOW. Fixed armor. It's...too beautiful for words.

(Oh, I don't know. Garrus is a bad ass. If he stares at it long enough, maybe it'll fix itself).

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In about 10 mins, it's going to be 3am.

This is totally not fair T.T



I think the whole Paragon/Renegade choice when it comes to Sidonus will be argued back and forth from here to eternity... but it's just another part of the game that is awesome. Because you can talior the play to what YOU want. And still get an awesome story out of it. So far, BioWare has yet to totally let me down in how to get a good story out of this game. I mean, admittedly I was a little miffed if I just Renegaded through the whole thing I got little closure out of it, but it was AWESOME that once you exhausted all of the paragon options to get as much information out of him, you were STILL able to shoot him. Some lesser games would probably have made you choose one or the other way before that.

Then again, those games would not have the AWESOME THAT IS GARRUS.



<.<

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silentstephi wrote...
In about 10 mins, it's going to be 3am.
This is totally not fair T.T


H8 Daylight Saving Time. Sadly, it seems like it'd take a deal with the Collectors to get rid of it. And then Garrus would have to snipe us.

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Ms Cherissa wrote...

enormousmoonboots wrote...
 I'm not arguing that the mercs were nice people or anything


This is a good point though. If you actually talk with all the mercs, most of them seem decent enough people, as individuals. (Bring Zaeed for anything Blue Suns related, starting with the Archangel recruitment, the extra dialogue is worth it.)  Even the recruiter at Afterlife comes across (to me, anyway) as trying to tease FemShep in a friendly way. Tacky, but friendly. Salkie and Sgt Cathka are surprisingly warm (to a human) for Batarians. Even Eclipse is known for their anti-slavery actions (you don't learn this unless you're a completionist like me and explore EVERY planet and moon and asteroid and read EVERY info blurb).  Blood Pack, not as overall decent as Blue Suns and Eclipse, but even they were formed up originally to restore someone's honor.

Granted, most mercs are still likely to be involved in more criminal activity and less private security detail, but these are not all terrible people. They have depth.

And if they were on Omega, well, now they have tombstones.


This makes my head hurt in a good way.  Have you ever stopped to think about all the people that end up on the wrong side of Shepard's gun?  It brings up issues like who decides who is worthy of redemption and who is not.  Someone said they thought Sidonis should live because he is kind of pathetic and repentent, but they would have killed him if he was just an ass, even though it does nothing to change his actions and their consequences.  Zaeed is arguably just as guilty/unrepentant as the hundreds of mercs Shepard kills but he gets a free pass because he's on her side and he has a name and a face.  Shepard has killed a ton of people paragon or renegade--I doubt she stopped to ask how they ended up on the wrong side of the law.  Also what about all the freelancers that died, they weren't exactly hardened criminals.  Judging from the one at Afterlife, some were just kids unfortunate enough to grow up in a craptastic place and didn't know any better. 

I know, booo, it's just a game.  Sorry, I shouldn't post when I'm tired.

Also, Shepard and Garrus aren't going to turn into Saren.  The key missing element being that whole mind control/indoctrination/pawn of the Reapers thing.  I read Revelation and Saren was an evil bastage but I didn't think he was much worse than Renegade Shep before he started to go the crazy.

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ELE08 wrote...

Ms Cherissa wrote...

enormousmoonboots wrote...
 I'm not arguing that the mercs were nice people or anything


This is a good point though. If you actually talk with all the mercs, most of them seem decent enough people, as individuals. (Bring Zaeed for anything Blue Suns related, starting with the Archangel recruitment, the extra dialogue is worth it.)  Even the recruiter at Afterlife comes across (to me, anyway) as trying to tease FemShep in a friendly way. Tacky, but friendly. Salkie and Sgt Cathka are surprisingly warm (to a human) for Batarians. Even Eclipse is known for their anti-slavery actions (you don't learn this unless you're a completionist like me and explore EVERY planet and moon and asteroid and read EVERY info blurb).  Blood Pack, not as overall decent as Blue Suns and Eclipse, but even they were formed up originally to restore someone's honor.

Granted, most mercs are still likely to be involved in more criminal activity and less private security detail, but these are not all terrible people. They have depth.

And if they were on Omega, well, now they have tombstones.


This makes my head hurt in a good way.  Have you ever stopped to think about all the people that end up on the wrong side of Shepard's gun?  It brings up issues like who decides who is worthy of redemption and who is not.  Someone said they thought Sidonis should live because he is kind of pathetic and repentent, but they would have killed him if he was just an ass, even though it does nothing to change his actions and their consequences.  Zaeed is arguably just as guilty/unrepentant as the hundreds of mercs Shepard kills but he gets a free pass because he's on her side and he has a name and a face.  Shepard has killed a ton of people paragon or renegade--I doubt she stopped to ask how they ended up on the wrong side of the law.  Also what about all the freelancers that died, they weren't exactly hardened criminals.  Judging from the one at Afterlife, some were just kids unfortunate enough to grow up in a craptastic place and didn't know any better. 

Ever notice how several of the enemy combat yells are along the lines of 'Man down!' 'Need some first aid, here!' 'Taking heavy fire!' ? Felt a little bad I was putting my enemies into the same situations I hated.

...stopped feeling bad on Insanity, though. The cheating bastards deserve all of it.

e: Don't you hate it when you come up with another point the instant you hit submit?

You also see a lot of people hanging around weapon stores talking about becoming mercenaries. An asari and salarian on Illium thinking about joining the Eclipse, Commander John Shepard a turian talking weapons with his friend on the Citadel. Almost wish there was an 'eavesdropping' interrupt like with the Blues Suns kid where you could tell them about the hundreds of (merc company) mooks you're wrecked.

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ELE08 wrote...

This makes my head hurt in a good way.  Have you ever stopped to think about all the people that end up on the wrong side of Shepard's gun?  It brings up issues like who decides who is worthy of redemption and who is not.  Someone said they thought Sidonis should live because he is kind of pathetic and repentent, but they would have killed him if he was just an ass, even though it does nothing to change his actions and their consequences.  Zaeed is arguably just as guilty/unrepentant as the hundreds of mercs Shepard kills but he gets a free pass because he's on her side and he has a name and a face.  Shepard has killed a ton of people paragon or renegade--I doubt she stopped to ask how they ended up on the wrong side of the law.  Also what about all the freelancers that died, they weren't exactly hardened criminals.  Judging from the one at Afterlife, some were just kids unfortunate enough to grow up in a craptastic place and didn't know any better. 


Shepard doesn't have the time to question every random merc she comes across. She's too busy fighting for her life (or someone else's). Were there any random enemies that Shepard killed that didn't really deserve to die? Probably, but that's life. You can't save everyone.

She does, however, have the opportunity to listen to Sidonis. She does have the opportunity to prevent that kid on Omega from throwing his life away. She takes chances to help others when they become available (well, paragon Shepard does anyway).

That's the difference.

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ELE08 wrote...

Zaeed is arguably just as guilty/unrepentant as the hundreds of mercs Shepard kills but he gets a free pass because he's on her side and he has a name and a face. 


Zaeed got a pass from my Shepard because he's a pretty cool guy, eh takes a gunshot to the face and teaches SpongeBob how to drive.

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I just...couldn't keep him out of my party after my sister heard his voice and made the connection.

But to keep this post from veering off topic, for those of us who had our Fem!Sheps romance Garrus: why did you pick Garrus over all of the other romantic interests?

I'll admit to liking Garrus from Mass Effect, but I think the thing that sold me on his romance was that there was already an established friendship between the two characters. That's not a common trend in BioWare romances (that I'm aware of) and it was a breath of fresh air to be able to take that friendship and turn it into something more. Don't get me wrong, I appreciate some of the other romantic subplots that Fem!Shep can pursue (even Jacob *cue shock and horror*), but having that rapport with Garrus made the relationship and the emotions behind it believable and incredibly sweet for me.

Oh, and I've always been a sucker for his voice. Plus, scars. ...Anyone else wondering how long they've been part-krogan?

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I figured I was part-krogan once I realized I'd go for Wrex in a hot second (I...don't know what would happen if he was a romance option. Garrus would have some serious competition). Though I always considered Canderous a far superior (hypothetical) romance option to Carth, so that may be an extension of my Mandalore fixation.



I went for Liara in my initial Mass Effect playthrough (Kaidan? I romanced him back when his name was Carth), but Wrex and Garrus made up my go-to team for missions. They were my favorites. When I finished Garrus's proto-loyalty mission, though, and he had the line where he was all "I wanted to thank you. I've never met someone quite like you" but then finished off with "I--uh, never mind..." I was like OH MY GOD DID I MISS TAPPING THAT and flailed around on the internet until I came up with nope, just Kaidan/Ashley/Liara romances. I was greatly disappoint that day.



I still want to know what he was about to say.



I ran through ME1 two more times to get to level 60, so I had a Kaidan playthough and a 'so ronery' playthrough, in case anything interesting came up in the second game. And it did.



I can see why you'd like the other romances in ME2, but they just don't offer anything for me. I thought Thane had a nice smile, but when he started his flashback thing it just creeped me out too much. 'oh my god Thane is having a stroke where's the call Chakwas button', etc. And I have no stomach for tragedy, besides. It's just not my thing. And Jacob's stance on Cerberus makes me want to beat my head against the wall. "Sure, Cerberus is pretty evil. But the Illusive Man knows I disapprove. I'm sure my opinion is something he considers every time he makes a decision, and my morals must weigh heavily on his mind." wat



So not only did Garrus have no competition in my mind, I had been quietly hoping since ME1.

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Sadly, Wrex is all focused on improving his people's lot in life, and probably Clan Leader Uta would kick his ass if he looked at any other woman than her. /sigh I fear Clan Leader Uta. She knows I have designs on her man. If he'd been a choice, though - Garrus who?



But the reasons cited above and many times previously are why I chose Garrus: he's a friend, an equal who's earned it (even if he hadn't in ME1). I hated him in ME1 actually, he struck me as a very emotionally young man who'd never bothered to form his own identity. ME2 changed that. He put those two years to great use, and until Wrex says he's on the market, it's Garrus forever, baby.

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Pretty much what everyone else has said. Garrus is someone that Shepard can trust no matter what, and they're already close friends. And depending on your Shepard, they may have quite a lot in common. For my main Shepard, it was only a matter of time before their friendship evolved into something more.