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[Sialater]

WindOverTuchanka wrote...

Pannamaslo wrote...

Thanks. Didn't think about that.

As for Jacob. I don't think he is a bad character at all. I just think that his romance is bad as bad romance can be. I like his VA, background. He is collected, emotionally stable individuall and is faaaar better written than Miranda. Just this ROMANCE!

Ah, I am back hijacking this thread. And I am really, really sorry. You can practically taste my regret. But...

Everyone thinks he's stable. Am I the only who noticed he's suicidal?

He actively seeks death.
And he refuses to talk about it.
And if you try to press him, he cuts off all communication.
And then he goes on to actively seek death again.
Jacob is hiding something, and this mystery is killing me, damn it! It's like he is some kind of placeholder for development in ME3

Here, have the thread back. Good as new *polishes it with a sleeve*

He is the only to completely volunteer to suicide the door hacking.  Interesting.   More than meets the eye, indeed.

Garrus was still my team leader both times, though.

[Pannamaslo]

WindOverTuchanka wrote...

Pannamaslo wrote...

Thanks. Didn't think about that.

As for Jacob. I don't think he is a bad character at all. I just think that his romance is bad as bad romance can be. I like his VA, background. He is collected, emotionally stable individuall and is faaaar better written than Miranda. Just this ROMANCE!

Ah, I am back hijacking this thread. And I am really, really sorry. You can practically taste my regret. But...

Everyone thinks he's stable. Am I the only who noticed he's suicidal?

He actively seeks death.
And he refuses to talk about it.
And if you try to press him, he cuts off all communication.
And then he goes on to actively seek death again.
Jacob is hiding something, and this mystery is killing me, damn it! It's like he is some kind of placeholder for development in ME3

Here, have the thread back. Good as new *polishes it with a sleeve*

Comparing to others. Yes. He is pretty stable. Thane is a realigious wackjob, Garrus has serious issues with Sidonis and failing self-esteem, Jack - I don't need to elaborate, Miranda again self-esteem issues, Grunt - anger mamagement issues.....Yes. Jacob is pretty stable.  Suicidal? Not really. More Thane is. He even admits that.

Modifié par Pannamaslo, 21 février 2010 - 04:28 .

[Jimbe2693]

Garrus and Kaidan are my brothers in arms, I can't save the galaxy without them.

[WindOverTuchanka]

Sialater wrote...

He is the only to completely volunteer to suicide the door hacking.  Interesting.   More than meets the eye, indeed.

Garrus was still my team leader both times, though.

Right. This and  couple of other times. Like at the beginning of Archangel's recruiting mission. Word 'suicide' is possibly his favourite word.

... Not that anyone cares.

... And Garrus was covering my back up until the very end. I would have ... felt vulnerable otherwise. Miranda is capable, virtually indestructable, and can give orders. It's her mission as much as mine, she deserves command. I deserve an opportunity to feel safe(a bit safer?)

[Iokastos]

WindOverTuchanka wrote...

Pannamaslo wrote...

Thanks. Didn't think about that.

As for Jacob. I don't think he is a bad character at all. I just think that his romance is bad as bad romance can be. I like his VA, background. He is collected, emotionally stable individuall and is faaaar better written than Miranda. Just this ROMANCE!

Ah, I am back hijacking this thread. And I am really, really sorry. You can practically taste my regret. But...

Everyone thinks he's stable. Am I the only who noticed he's suicidal?

He actively seeks death.
And he refuses to talk about it.
And if you try to press him, he cuts off all communication.
And then he goes on to actively seek death again.
Jacob is hiding something, and this mystery is killing me, damn it! It's like he is some kind of placeholder for development in ME3

Here, have the thread back. Good as new *polishes it with a sleeve*

Sorry for being rude but seriously... **** Jacob!!!

He is the most worthless character in the game, just ignore him.
Now regarding post-mission romance dialogue..With my "main" Tali and Miranda had a dialogue, with femshep Garrus just said normal stuff. Maybe there's some hidden script and it's a glitch?
It's a shame Garrus romance doesn't feel *complete*

[Von Verrikan]

Santiri_azz wrote...

WindOverTuchanka wrote...

Pannamaslo wrote...

Thanks. Didn't think about that.

As for Jacob. I don't think he is a bad character at all. I just think that his romance is bad as bad romance can be. I like his VA, background. He is collected, emotionally stable individuall and is faaaar better written than Miranda. Just this ROMANCE!

Ah, I am back hijacking this thread. And I am really, really sorry. You can practically taste my regret. But...

Everyone thinks he's stable. Am I the only who noticed he's suicidal?

He actively seeks death.
And he refuses to talk about it.
And if you try to press him, he cuts off all communication.
And then he goes on to actively seek death again.
Jacob is hiding something, and this mystery is killing me, damn it! It's like he is some kind of placeholder for development in ME3

Here, have the thread back. Good as new *polishes it with a sleeve*

Sorry for being rude but seriously... **** Jacob!!!

He is the most worthless character in the game, just ignore him.
Now regarding post-mission romance dialogue..With my "main" Tali and Miranda had a dialogue, with femshep Garrus just said normal stuff. Maybe there's some hidden script and it's a glitch?
It's a shame Garrus romance doesn't feel *complete*

It could still be a glicth, yes. Just like how Conrad Verner is stuck on Renegade even if you paragon him in ME1. (PC users can fix it but only by modding the game)

And as for Garrus, in one of my games his dialog loops from the "I won't forget what we'd talked about.." line, and the other it's back to the line he quotes about wanting to try it with shepard yadda yada going into hell for the good of the galaxy. I dunno.. it would seem to me it's a glich similar to conrads, where in this case we all get male sheps garrus line instead of an LI one.

[Pannamaslo]

Von Verrikan wrote...

Santiri_azz wrote...

WindOverTuchanka wrote...

Pannamaslo wrote...

Thanks. Didn't think about that.

As for Jacob. I don't think he is a bad character at all. I just think that his romance is bad as bad romance can be. I like his VA, background. He is collected, emotionally stable individuall and is faaaar better written than Miranda. Just this ROMANCE!

Ah, I am back hijacking this thread. And I am really, really sorry. You can practically taste my regret. But...

Everyone thinks he's stable. Am I the only who noticed he's suicidal?

He actively seeks death.
And he refuses to talk about it.
And if you try to press him, he cuts off all communication.
And then he goes on to actively seek death again.
Jacob is hiding something, and this mystery is killing me, damn it! It's like he is some kind of placeholder for development in ME3

Here, have the thread back. Good as new *polishes it with a sleeve*

Sorry for being rude but seriously... **** Jacob!!!

He is the most worthless character in the game, just ignore him.
Now regarding post-mission romance dialogue..With my "main" Tali and Miranda had a dialogue, with femshep Garrus just said normal stuff. Maybe there's some hidden script and it's a glitch?
It's a shame Garrus romance doesn't feel *complete*

It could still be a glicth, yes. Just like how Conrad Verner is stuck on Renegade even if you paragon him in ME1. (PC users can fix it but only by modding the game)

And as for Garrus, in one of my games his dialog loops from the "I won't forget what we'd talked about.." line, and the other it's back to the line he quotes about wanting to try it with shepard yadda yada going into hell for the good of the galaxy. I dunno.. it would seem to me it's a glich similar to conrads, where in this case we all get male sheps garrus line instead of an LI one.

That makes sense. I hope it's the case. Though Thane does not have an extra dialog.

[Sialater]

WindOverTuchanka wrote...

Sialater wrote...

He is the only to completely volunteer to suicide the door hacking.  Interesting.   More than meets the eye, indeed.

Garrus was still my team leader both times, though.

Right. This and  couple of other times. Like at the beginning of Archangel's recruiting mission. Word 'suicide' is possibly his favourite word.

... Not that anyone cares.

... And Garrus was covering my back up until the very end. I would have ... felt vulnerable otherwise. Miranda is capable, virtually indestructable, and can give orders. It's her mission as much as mine, she deserves command. I deserve an opportunity to feel safe(a bit safer?)

I didn't think Jack would follow Miranda.  And since I play Vanguard, Garrus and Miranda had my back for most of the game anyway.  (I prefer balancing talents -- my Beta team was Tali and Thane.)  So Garrus got team leader and then went with me and Miranda for the final fight.  Absolutely indespensible.  

Kaiden and Garrus were my right and left hands for ME1.

[Prolefeed]

Sialater wrote...

Kaiden and Garrus were my right and left hands for ME1.

This. ME3 will be so awkward if Garrus and Kaidan are both on the squad, because I'll be taking them with Shepard on every single mission. Best work out all those relationship issues right quick.

[Sialater]

Prolefeed wrote...

Sialater wrote...

Kaiden and Garrus were my right and left hands for ME1.

This. ME3 will be so awkward if Garrus and Kaidan are both on the squad, because I'll be taking them with Shepard on every single mission. Best work out all those relationship issues right quick.

Uh, yeah.  THAT triangle should be the messiest.  You forced them to break the "Bro Code."

[Brass_Buckles]

All right, now--I do like Garrus, but unlike I've read a few of you saying here, I don't think he's physically attractive. Mind you, the art design for turians is interesting; they really do look cool. But, I'd have to be really, really drunk to think a turian was hot. That said, I thought the end of the Garrus romance was downright adorable (after the awkwardness, which was cute in its own right 'cause he was trying to make it something special)--and it made sense for my paragon Shepard, who felt that if Kaidan didn't trust her, and she couldn't trust any of her other squad members... well, Garrus had been there all along.



Since I didn't want to spam the forum with a theory about Garrus in ME3, I decided to go ahead and make the post in here. He does mention he's been with at least one female turian. We know that Bioware is wanting us to feel bad about cheating on our ME1 LI. So my thought is, what if Garrus were to find out that he now has a child on Palaven? Thus he might have to leave Shepard to help care for the child--I can't see Garrus doing anything but, even if you leave him renegade. Obviously there'd be more to it than that; given what you said/did, he might choose to come back to Shepard or he might realize that the turian woman was lying to him to take advantage, etc. Similarly, for Male-Shep, maybe Tali has gotten a proposal from Kal'Reegar and been nominated as an admiral--important because she'll never have kids with Male-Shep, and it would mean a greater contribution to quarian society. Around the same time, Kaidan or Ashley and Liara show back up. The opportunity to be disloyal is there. Thoughts?

[Pannamaslo]

Brass_Buckles wrote...

All right, now--I do like Garrus, but unlike I've read a few of you saying here, I don't think he's physically attractive. Mind you, the art design for turians is interesting; they really do look cool. But, I'd have to be really, really drunk to think a turian was hot. That said, I thought the end of the Garrus romance was downright adorable (after the awkwardness, which was cute in its own right 'cause he was trying to make it something special)--and it made sense for my paragon Shepard, who felt that if Kaidan didn't trust her, and she couldn't trust any of her other squad members... well, Garrus had been there all along.

Since I didn't want to spam the forum with a theory about Garrus in ME3, I decided to go ahead and make the post in here. He does mention he's been with at least one female turian. We know that Bioware is wanting us to feel bad about cheating on our ME1 LI. So my thought is, what if Garrus were to find out that he now has a child on Palaven? Thus he might have to leave Shepard to help care for the child--I can't see Garrus doing anything but, even if you leave him renegade. Obviously there'd be more to it than that; given what you said/did, he might choose to come back to Shepard or he might realize that the turian woman was lying to him to take advantage, etc. Similarly, for Male-Shep, maybe Tali has gotten a proposal from Kal'Reegar and been nominated as an admiral--important because she'll never have kids with Male-Shep, and it would mean a greater contribution to quarian society. Around the same time, Kaidan or Ashley and Liara show back up. The opportunity to be disloyal is there. Thoughts?

One LI with Carth syndrome is enough. Thank U. Beside not all will "cheat" on LI, but  in this hypothesis you punish all of them. I think the worst they devs will do with cheating problem is ruining relationship with Kaidan or Liara. Also It's like more like a soap opera scenario than space opera.

[Punahedan]

Brass_Buckles wrote...

Since I didn't want to spam the forum with a theory about Garrus in ME3, I decided to go ahead and make the post in here. He does mention he's been with at least one female turian. We know that Bioware is wanting us to feel bad about cheating on our ME1 LI. So my thought is, what if Garrus were to find out that he now has a child on Palaven? Thus he might have to leave Shepard to help care for the child--I can't see Garrus doing anything but, even if you leave him renegade. Obviously there'd be more to it than that; given what you said/did, he might choose to come back to Shepard or he might realize that the turian woman was lying to him to take advantage, etc. Similarly, for Male-Shep, maybe Tali has gotten a proposal from Kal'Reegar and been nominated as an admiral--important because she'll never have kids with Male-Shep, and it would mean a greater contribution to quarian society. Around the same time, Kaidan or Ashley and Liara show back up. The opportunity to be disloyal is there. Thoughts?

I...hope not. The impression I had was that this encounter was ages ago... It could still happen, and just have the kid be older, but honestly...

I'm sick of male romanceables and their kids.

I love Carth and Thane to death (Sky, notsomuch), but this is becoming a bad formula for BioWare. Even if it is a twist, can I just have a romance where I don't have to go around helping a guy with his other family?

Just once, I'd like to see male PCs romance a single mother. Just once. <_<

Modifié par Hawkeyed Cai Li, 21 février 2010 - 05:24 .

[Brass_Buckles]

I hope not too, because it's gonna be bad enough when Kaidan finds out he got ditched for a turian. However, I'm well aware that Bioware will throw some kind of wrench into the cogs just to make it really hard to stay with the alien LIs. I figure if Garrus doesn't already have a kid (or multiple kids) he'll probably want one or two, which Shepard cannot give him unless they're adopted. It just seems in character for him, somehow--whereas I don't think either of my current Shepards are really all that interested in being moms. Paragon-Shep is more interested in duty, while Pseudo-Renegade Shep is currently in no way suited to be responsible for anyone's life but her own (although she may not romance Garrus--she's still in early ME1 stage). I can't say what they'll do to mess things up, but I have this dread suspicion that they're going to, because from what I've heard said, it sounds like you're really "encouraged" to keep your Shep with a human--even if straying is tempting.

[Von Verrikan]

I really really don't think they'll add children to this mix. It's too complicated. It would add far too much unnecessary baggage to a plot that's already going to be bogged down with other complex questing. That kind of thing would de-rail the plotline.

but I have this dread suspicion that they're going to, because from
what I've heard said, it sounds like you're really "encouraged" to keep
your Shep with a human--even if straying is tempting

Source? All I've heard is that there will be complications if you chose a different love interest / cheated. That doesn't sound like they are condemming you for taking an alien lover at all, or encouraging you to keep a human. I only took garrus for my shep, and it's the only character I will ever take. The only backlash I can think of would be from the media, or just people being xenophobic and racist about us.

Modifié par Von Verrikan, 21 février 2010 - 05:41 .

[Forwen]

Can anyone confirm how many post-loyalty convos Garrus has if you don't romance him? I only got one before he returned to his almighty calibrations forever. That doesn't seem right. Even Samara had three.

[Brass_Buckles]

Hmm, in regard to end game... did anyone else destroy the Collector base despite being asked not to by Garrus? My paragon Shep was romancing him. And, yeah, he had a valid point about making those lives lost go to waste. But I couldn't help thinking, "Uh, Garrus, TIM just said he wants human galactic dominance. And Cerberus probably doesn't like turians all that well. Just sayin'. I'm not leaving this base so that they can find a way to blow up Palaven, 'cause, y'know, that would kinda be a damper on this thing you and Shepard have going."

[Von Verrikan]

Forwen wrote...

Can anyone confirm how many post-loyalty convos Garrus has if you don't romance him? I only got one before he returned to his almighty calibrations forever. That doesn't seem right. Even Samara had three.

The last and only conversation is the one about turian preperations. If you're a male shepard, that makes the post-omega conversation, and post-loyalty, with nothing in between. If you don't romance hm (WHY OH GOD) as a female shepard, that's all you get as well

[Remaix]

Brass_Buckles wrote...

Hmm, in regard to end game... did anyone else destroy the Collector base despite being asked not to by Garrus? My paragon Shep was romancing him. And, yeah, he had a valid point about making those lives lost go to waste. But I couldn't help thinking, "Uh, Garrus, TIM just said he wants human galactic dominance. And Cerberus probably doesn't like turians all that well. Just sayin'. I'm not leaving this base so that they can find a way to blow up Palaven, 'cause, y'know, that would kinda be a damper on this thing you and Shepard have going."

It should have been hard for me. Here were my two favorite characters (Mordin and Garrus. I had to redo the mission, so twice the dialogue for me!) who were telling me, hey, go ahead and keep it. Buuuut... well, it wouldn't be the first time I disagreed with Garrus. But damn, that stupid, sexy turian voice tempted me for a few seconds!

[Forwen]

Von Verrikan wrote...

The last and only conversation is the one about turian preperations. If you're a male shepard, that makes the post-omega conversation, and post-loyalty, with nothing in between. If you don't romance hm (WHY OH GOD) as a female shepard, that's all you get as well

Really? That sucks. He's probably my fav. squaddie in the series but the romance is weird. I demand a bromance for my femShep!

Thanks.

[MarginalBeast]

I can't believe Jacob ALSO gets a special line and the other romances don't. Hell, his was much longer than Tali's even! There was actual physical contact! All Tali did was comment on the sex. No "Oh hey I'm really glad we both survived I can't wait to spend more time with you" or something. And of course the other romance options don't get anything at all. I really, really hope it's just a bug. Otherwise that's seriously not cool, it's like they're favoring certain romances over the others. I think everyone deserves a little closure, not just Jacob and Tali.

Also, someone mentioned that Tali said the romance dialogue to her FemShep after the suicide mission, but that must have been a glitch. She had a platonic post-suicide mission line in my game.

Brass_Buckles wrote...

Since I didn't want to spam the forum with a theory about Garrus in ME3, I decided to go ahead and make the post in here. He does mention he's been with at least one female turian. We know that Bioware is wanting us to feel bad about cheating on our ME1 LI. So my thought is, what if Garrus were to find out that he now has a child on Palaven? Thus he might have to leave Shepard to help care for the child--I can't see Garrus doing anything but, even if you leave him renegade. Obviously there'd be more to it than that; given what you said/did, he might choose to come back to Shepard or he might realize that the turian woman was lying to him to take advantage, etc. Similarly, for Male-Shep, maybe Tali has gotten a proposal from Kal'Reegar and been nominated as an admiral--important because she'll never have kids with Male-Shep, and it would mean a greater contribution to quarian society. Around the same time, Kaidan or Ashley and Liara show back up. The opportunity to be disloyal is there. Thoughts?

Ugh, if anything like that happened I would be livid. If they want to make it hard to choose between your two LI then fine, but they SERIOUSLY need to leave kids and past relationships out of it. Like, they really seriously do. And what about those that didn't even have a love interest in ME1? It isn't fair that we have to deal with that crap too.

The only way I would be satisfied with that scenario is if a) the child isn't really Garrus' and that woman was just taking advantage of him and Shepard gets to punch him in the face for ditching her ass.

But really? I'd just rather not have any horribly forced child-related drama at all. More interesting (and less over-used) things can happen if they want drama--issues with Garrus' dad, for one.

Modifié par MarginalBeast, 21 février 2010 - 05:57 .

[Punahedan]

I had an "I trust you' conversation with Tali at the end, but it didn't sound romantic to me... Of course, most of the romance convos in ME2 didn't sound romantic, so I guess that's not something I ought to judge on. <_<

Garrus just keeps looping the "I can't believe we're going to do this" speech. He doesn't even go back to calibrating. Is anyone else vaguely reminded of Bao-Dur? Great voice, great attitude, useful to have around...not anywhere near enough lines, or even as many as the others.

MarginalBeast wrote...

But really? I'd just rather not have any horribly forced child-related drama at all. More interesting (and less over-used) things can happen if they want drama--issues with Garrus' dad, for one.

Yes. This. Thank you.

Modifié par Hawkeyed Cai Li, 21 février 2010 - 06:01 .

[Brass_Buckles]

Forwen wrote...

Von Verrikan wrote...

The last and only conversation is the one about turian preperations. If you're a male shepard, that makes the post-omega conversation, and post-loyalty, with nothing in between. If you don't romance hm (WHY OH GOD) as a female shepard, that's all you get as well

Really? That sucks. He's probably my fav. squaddie in the series but the romance is weird. I demand a bromance for my femShep!

Thanks.

Yeah, I didn't care for the only way to romance him being to ask him to sleep with you for stress-relief purposes.  But after thinking about it for a while (and I confess maybe I was overthinking it), I realized--he soon pressures Shepard into going to a human instead, unless you have her tell him specifically that she wants him, not someone else--after which he's quite eager to oblige.  Then he keeps saying that it's about "us," which makes it seem like maybe he wants more than a one-night stand.  It's pretty clear to me that it's not because he finds Shepard physically attractive (even his "compliment" in that final romance scene is very reluctant, I think), and I think Shepard doesn't find him hot either (just look at what you can say to him when his face gets scarred).  To break up with him, Shepard has to tell him she'd rather just be friends--so there's something more there, even if they're just going to be best friends with benefits.

I do wish they talked about more than sex, but maybe they don't need to, if they've known each other since ME1 (some playthroughs they haven't, so it's just weird).  The last few seconds of the final romance scene, though, made me feel like ultimately, this was not about stress relief or a one-night stand, but about being there for one another like they always have been.  However, this time it's on a deeper, more emotional level--something much more serious than any of the lead-up implied.  It doesn't necessarily imply love, especially considering that the interspecies thing would be hard to work through; they could very well just be best friends with benefits.  However, if they haven't fallen in love yet in that romance, they're off to a good start for ME3... provided Shepard doesn't have a past love interest she prefers.

[MarginalBeast]

I didn't see it as a friends with benefits situation at all, but maybe that's just me. How can you tell someone you just want to be friends if you already are "just friends"? I definitely want something better than a FWB situation with Garrus--and my Shepard does too, otherwise she wouldn't have ever even entertained the idea of offering sex to him. It seemed to me that Garrus finally came around to her line of thinking by the time the final romance scene happened. I hope BioWare doesn't disappoint. They better not go back to just being friends like nothing happened in ME3. If Jacob and Thane can fall in love with Shepard after knowing her for only a few weeks, then Garrus can damn well too. It would be pretty unfair if only the Garrus romancers had to wait until ME3 to get to something deeper.

Plus, I mean, Shepard can cuddle with him on her bed. That's a weird thing to do for two people who aren't in a relationship, even for FWB.

Modifié par MarginalBeast, 21 février 2010 - 06:24 .

[SavageLycan]

I got Mass Effect for PC, and modded the ini so that my Shepard is Garrus. Ha ha. I might need to post some screenies of Garrus doing epic Shepard moves like the "Shepard punch."