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[Cerrydd]

SavageLycan wrote...

I got Mass Effect for PC, and modded the ini so that my Shepard is Garrus. Ha ha. I might need to post some screenies of Garrus doing epic Shepard moves like the "Shepard punch."

Request: Garrus dancing. ^^

[Brass_Buckles]

MarginalBeast wrote...

I can't believe Jacob ALSO gets a special line and the other romances don't. Hell, his was much longer than Tali's even! There was actual physical contact! All Tali did was comment on the sex. No "Oh hey I'm really glad we both survived I can't wait to spend more time with you" or something. And of course the other romance options don't get anything at all. I really, really hope it's just a bug. Otherwise that's seriously not cool, it's like they're favoring certain romances over the others. I think everyone deserves a little closure, not just Jacob and Tali.

Also, someone mentioned that Tali said the romance dialogue to her FemShep after the suicide mission, but that must have been a glitch. She had a platonic post-suicide mission line in my game.

Brass_Buckles wrote...

Since I didn't want to spam the forum with a theory about Garrus in ME3, I decided to go ahead and make the post in here. He does mention he's been with at least one female turian. We know that Bioware is wanting us to feel bad about cheating on our ME1 LI. So my thought is, what if Garrus were to find out that he now has a child on Palaven? Thus he might have to leave Shepard to help care for the child--I can't see Garrus doing anything but, even if you leave him renegade. Obviously there'd be more to it than that; given what you said/did, he might choose to come back to Shepard or he might realize that the turian woman was lying to him to take advantage, etc. Similarly, for Male-Shep, maybe Tali has gotten a proposal from Kal'Reegar and been nominated as an admiral--important because she'll never have kids with Male-Shep, and it would mean a greater contribution to quarian society. Around the same time, Kaidan or Ashley and Liara show back up. The opportunity to be disloyal is there. Thoughts?

Ugh, if anything like that happened I would be livid. If they want to make it hard to choose between your two LI then fine, but they SERIOUSLY need to leave kids and past relationships out of it. Like, they really seriously do. And what about those that didn't even have a love interest in ME1? It isn't fair that we have to deal with that crap too.

The only way I would be satisfied with that scenario is if a) the child isn't really Garrus' and that woman was just taking advantage of him and Shepard gets to punch him in the face for ditching her ass.

But really? I'd just rather not have any horribly forced child-related drama at all. More interesting (and less over-used) things can happen if they want drama--issues with Garrus' dad, for one.

Believe it or not, my line of thought kind of went along with the idea that it would turn out that no, it wasn't Garrus's kid.  Aliens could get into the same kinds of trouble that humans could, I think.  She could end up with a kid and no one to help her care for it--but hey, that Garrus Vakarian guy was nice.  Maybe if he thought it was his kid...

As for the friends with benefits thing... There's nothing to say that it's more or less than that, sadly.  Garrus doesn't once say that he cares about Shepard, even though he's pretty obsessed with getting things right--to the point of screwing them up royally in a hilarious fashion.  Personally I want it to turn out that they're more than BFWB to stick it to Kaidan in ME3.  Serves him right for distrusting Shepard.  Yeah, he had a right to be angry, but  he wouldn't listen to her.  And how was she supposed to contact him while dead?  What, was he going to hold a seance?  An email apology suggesting that "he'd see" when all this was over... it just doesn't cut it.  I might make a Shepard who'd be more understanding, and less hurt, by this.  But my current paragon-Shepard?  Hardly.  No, hopefully Garrus is still around in ME3 so my Shep can continue where she left off.

[MarginalBeast]

This is where some romance-specific post-suicide mission dialogue would have really come in handy, BioWare. JUST SAYIN'.

[Von Verrikan]

MarginalBeast wrote...

This is where some romance-specific post-suicide mission dialogue would have really come in handy, BioWare. JUST SAYIN'.

They could always just add it in along with some other things in a patch. Conrad Verners renegade-only glich needs to be addressed after all. Among other problems.

Arg then again they'd need to get Keener back to do those lines...

Heh, silly question guys, but do you think Keener actually likes being sexual as Garrus? Or do you think this wasnt something he wanted to try?

[silentstephi]

Honestly, I found the lead up to Garrus as a Love much better than Kaiden's lead up. (And Thane's was pretty good too, on reflection.) Kaiden's seemed a bit much like lots of flirting, and even seemed like he left a good out for himself with their whole take on being in the military and what not.



I really hope they don't go the "kid" route in 3. I think going the "father" route would be EPIC, especially since we've known since ME1 he's been a big factor in Garrus's life before. That would be a much better thread to persue.



And honestly, considering the risks your Shep is prone to take, I don't think kids and what not comes in play in her mind just yet anyway. Galaxy is still in trouble, best not to think about that just yet.

[MarginalBeast]

I don't dislike Jacob, but I don't particularly like him either. I have a pretty neutral opinion of him.

[silentstephi]

Von Verrikan wrote...

MarginalBeast wrote...

This is where some romance-specific post-suicide mission dialogue would have really come in handy, BioWare. JUST SAYIN'.

They could always just add it in along with some other things in a patch. Conrad Verners renegade-only glich needs to be addressed after all. Among other problems.

Arg then again they'd need to get Keener back to do those lines...

Heh, silly question guys, but do you think Keener actually likes being sexual as Garrus? Or do you think this wasnt something he wanted to try?

Maybe?  he sure does have a sexy purr in his voice sometimes... >.>

[Briallen]

Von Verrikan wrote...

Wow! <_<

So jacob gets an extra scene? God.. You know I don't want to really yell at bioware, but come the hell on. How do you create a few extra scenes for LI's like that without consideration for everyone!? You know how happy it would have made us for some closure similar to that?

I mean come on guys, back me up here, wouldn't an extra scene after the suicide mission like that with garrus have made you happy forever? I know it would have with me! Instead (either intentional or unintentional) we get garrus seemingly ignoring us.. Uncool..

This may seem trivial to some, but I feel it deserves mention from Bioware. Either you give an extra to everybody, or nobody at all. You can't just pick and choose and say "OH derp this LI Is more important so we'll give him one" They are all equally important - they were the second you gave us the option to romance them

I agree completely. That kind of favoritism is just not cool in the slightest. Either they should have done special after-mission romantic dialogue for all the love interests, or they shouldn't have done it for any of them. It basically goes back to concerns about canonicity and legitimacy -- they start out saying all this stuff about how "you are Commander Shepard!" and "you choose how the story goes!" and that sort of thing, and then all of a sudden they start giving some people extra tidbits and ignoring others? If all playthroughs and all choices -- including romance choices -- are equally legitimate, they should all be treated equally. Period. I'm very disappointed in BioWare for dropping the ball on that.

And now I'm curious about the other LI's as well. Someone said that Thane doesn't have any special after-mission dialogue. What about Jack and Miranda? 

[Punahedan]

Meta Ray Mek wrote...

... I must be one of the only Garrus fangirls who likes Jacob too.

They're pretty much my OT3 for my main FemShep game. I thought it was perfect when Shepard and Jacob did fistbumps and proclaimed they were gonna spill some drinks, because IMHO they've got a bro/sis relationship to me.

Nope. I love Jacob as a character. I like him more than I like Miranda, though I appreciate her, as well. They're friends. Their bro-hug made me chuckle and nod like, "Damn straight, man." I thought he was a chill dude. Don't get people's problem with him.

My issue was that Shepard sounds like she wants to have him right then and there every time she spoke with him. But that's not his fault.

As for whether Keener wanted to do it...I don't know, but I hope so. :3 It'd be so awkward if he was voicing those lines reluctantly, causing thousands of fangirls to cheer, but being opposed. Given how good Garrus sounds, however, I would say that if Keener didn't want to do it, he'd have half-assed the job more. Unless he's just a great guy. But then, I don't see why it would be a big problem... he's voicing a character, not himself (though there's always a few fans that don't get the difference).

ETA: And of course, I'm upset that Jacob gets the extra scene, but again, that's not his fault.

Modifié par Hawkeyed Cai Li, 21 février 2010 - 06:45 .

[Briallen]

Von Verrikan wrote...

Heh, silly question guys, but do you think Keener actually likes being sexual as Garrus? Or do you think this wasnt something he wanted to try?

I would have LOVED to see the look on his face when they told him Garrus was going to be a love interest in ME2. He was probably like, "Wait. Isn't he a some kind of a lizard/bird hybrid? What kinds of people play these games, anyway?!"

On the other hand, given that his voice was a significant factor in Garrus' appeal in the first game, maybe he would find it flattering that so many people wanted to romance him. 

[MarginalBeast]

Hey, more popularity = more lines = more money, usually. Even if he was weirded out by it, I'm sure he put sufficient effort into the job. BioWare didn't hire him for his personal opinions.

What I want to know is what Hale thinks of all this.

Modifié par MarginalBeast, 21 février 2010 - 07:00 .

[silentstephi]

MarginalBeast wrote...

Hey, more popularity = more lines = more money, usually. Even if he was weirded out by it, I'm sure he put sufficient effort into the job. BioWare didn't hire him for his personal opinions.

What I want to know is what Hale thinks of all this.

She must have known that the romance options in voice and stuff were there... but yea, I wonder if she has a favorite character? XD

[Von Verrikan]

Meta Ray Mek wrote...

Von Verrikan wrote...

Heh, silly question guys, but do you think Keener actually likes being sexual as Garrus? Or do you think this wasnt something he wanted to try?

tbqh, I wouldn't be surprised if he knew of Garrus' fan following -especially amongst the females- and was sufficiently weirded out by it. But a paycheck is a paycheck, after all.

Even if he did find it a little strange, at least he put in a good perfomance so that any 'weirded out-ness' didn't show through.

... On an unrelated note, it makes me wonder now if anyone's even tried to send a fan letter to him to see if he's even remotely aware of the fandom of the one character that's pretty much defined his career at this point in time. (Seriously, you look at the comments in the Bud Light, He's Just Not That Into You and Raising the Bar videos he's in on YouTube and you'll find at least 3-4 comments referring to him as 'Garrus')

Oh god XD

As much as I want to hear his opinion on his Garrus role, I'd rather I didnt know. It would break the illusion if I found out he hated it, ya know? Better that we know garrus for who he is now, rather than casting a shadow over the whole thing by finding out he was creeped out over the sexuality bit

[Bootsykk]

I just realized something...

For the "Garrus Vakarian Advice" pictures, why hasn't anyone done a "Remember: Stay hydrated" one??

I cracked up whenever I heard that in the first game...

[Bootsykk]

Von Verrikan wrote...

Meta Ray Mek wrote...

Von Verrikan wrote...

Heh, silly question guys, but do you think Keener actually likes being sexual as Garrus? Or do you think this wasnt something he wanted to try?

tbqh, I wouldn't be surprised if he knew of Garrus' fan following -especially amongst the females- and was sufficiently weirded out by it. But a paycheck is a paycheck, after all.

Even if he did find it a little strange, at least he put in a good perfomance so that any 'weirded out-ness' didn't show through.

... On an unrelated note, it makes me wonder now if anyone's even tried to send a fan letter to him to see if he's even remotely aware of the fandom of the one character that's pretty much defined his career at this point in time. (Seriously, you look at the comments in the Bud Light, He's Just Not That Into You and Raising the Bar videos he's in on YouTube and you'll find at least 3-4 comments referring to him as 'Garrus')

Oh god XD

As much as I want to hear his opinion on his Garrus role, I'd rather I didnt know. It would break the illusion if I found out he hated it, ya know? Better that we know garrus for who he is now, rather than casting a shadow over the whole thing by finding out he was creeped out over the sexuality bit

I don't think Keener would be creeped out by it at all, actually... xD If he was actually told what the largest amount of people responded to the question of, "why do you find Garrus attractive?" I'd bet he'd be quite flattered.
Garrus, admittedly, is not a very attractive character appearance wise by human standards. The thing that got me, at least, was the incredibly sexy voice acting. xD To be able to develop such a fandom based purely on his voice acting and his character's personality is pretty damn impressive.

[Von Verrikan]

Juneya wrote...


I don't think Keener would be creeped out by it at all, actually... xD If he was actually told what the largest amount of people responded to the question of, "why do you find Garrus attractive?" I'd bet he'd be quite flattered.
Garrus, admittedly, is not a very attractive character appearance wise by human standards. The thing that got me, at least, was the incredibly sexy voice acting. xD To be able to develop such a fandom based purely on his voice acting and his character's personality is pretty damn impressive.

I find him extremely attractive by my human standards :] What is sexy is always subjective

[Bootsykk]

Von Verrikan wrote...

Juneya wrote...


I don't think Keener would be creeped out by it at all, actually... xD If he was actually told what the largest amount of people responded to the question of, "why do you find Garrus attractive?" I'd bet he'd be quite flattered.
Garrus, admittedly, is not a very attractive character appearance wise by human standards. The thing that got me, at least, was the incredibly sexy voice acting. xD To be able to develop such a fandom based purely on his voice acting and his character's personality is pretty damn impressive.

I find him extremely attractive by my human standards :] What is sexy is always subjective

Ermm... well, what I mean to say is that a majority of people would not look at a screenshot of him (this is without knowing his name, his personality, backstory, ect... and without hearing his voice) would not get the same "Hot damn Garrus is one fine piece of ass" (sprung from a conversation between me and my friend the other day...)

I personally found Garrus very strange looking the first time I saw him in ME1. But as I got along in the game I started noticing those little things (like the mandible drooping whenever you talk smack at him... so adorable xD) that made him attractive.

[Cerrydd]

Being a voice actor in this game must be really fun. I mean, I wonder how the VA's reacted when they read the script with lines like "your waist is very supportive" or Mordin's lines about not ingesting. If they were not laughing their butts off, they don't have a good sense of humor .

[DeeLite808]

Meta Ray Mek wrote...

... I must be one of the only Garrus fangirls who likes Jacob too.

I like him..but not in a "romanceable" sense. He's a good team member, has some misplaced ideals, but after the loyalty mission that you do for him, then he's all aboard with you and understands your position. Even the post-suicide mission if you go the paragon route and tell the TIM to **** off, he understands your reasons.


I consider him the little brother; hot headed, yet a good soldier. Just had too many things go wrong with his life, and turned to other avenues to pursue his intersts. And like the little brother, you had to guide him along the way.

[Nightfire78]

Hawkeyed Cai Li wrote...

Meta Ray Mek wrote...

... I must be one of the only Garrus fangirls who likes Jacob too.

They're pretty much my OT3 for my main FemShep game. I thought it was perfect when Shepard and Jacob did fistbumps and proclaimed they were gonna spill some drinks, because IMHO they've got a bro/sis relationship to me.

Nope. I love Jacob as a character. I like him more than I like Miranda, though I appreciate her, as well. They're friends. Their bro-hug made me chuckle and nod like, "Damn straight, man." I thought he was a chill dude. Don't get people's problem with him.

My issue was that Shepard sounds like she wants to have him right then and there every time she spoke with him. But that's not his fault.

As for whether Keener wanted to do it...I don't know, but I hope so. :3 It'd be so awkward if he was voicing those lines reluctantly, causing thousands of fangirls to cheer, but being opposed. Given how good Garrus sounds, however, I would say that if Keener didn't want to do it, he'd have half-assed the job more. Unless he's just a great guy. But then, I don't see why it would be a big problem... he's voicing a character, not himself (though there's always a few fans that don't get the difference).

ETA: And of course, I'm upset that Jacob gets the extra scene, but again, that's not his fault.

I had the exact same problem with Jacob. I was glad you could avoid "romantic" choices and just be friends, but every time I went to talk to him my femShep was draping herself on the consoles and whipping out her seduction voice even though they were just buds... I don't think Jacob would have bothered me at all if it weren't for the feeling the game was saying "Hear this? Come on, you want to romance the guy, we know you want to"... ick! (especially given that everything I've seen of his romance just makes me cringe and want to mace him).

I also don't see why Keener would have an issue. I mean he's done plenty of voice acting (and regular acting). It's a character... How many movies/cartoons/games have diverse aliens in romantic situations. I can't imagine you'd be a professional voice actor if you had some kind of issue with voicing romantic dialogue because your "avatar" as it were is an alien/fantasy character/humpbacked monster Honestly I think the guy having to voice Jacob's cheese lines would have more reason to be upset LOL, but in the end, it's a profession. Someone else writes the stuff and you try to make it sound as real as you can *shrug*

Finally, I also think it's a bit poor to have a couple of romances get "closure" lines and others not... especially having it revert to a line that was from the build up to the romantic scene. I'd rather have him go back to calibrating, at leats then you could just imagine he's too nervous to talk about it yet because he's worried your Shep. didn't have a good time

Brass_Buckles wrote...

Since I didn't
want to spam the forum with a theory about Garrus in ME3, I decided to
go ahead and make the post in here. He does mention he's been with at
least one female turian. We know that Bioware is wanting us to feel bad
about cheating on our ME1 LI. So my thought is, what if Garrus were to
find out that he now has a child on Palaven? Thus he might have to
leave Shepard to help care for the child--I can't see Garrus doing
anything but, even if you leave him renegade. Obviously there'd be more
to it than that; given what you said/did, he might choose to come back
to Shepard or he might realize that the turian woman was lying to him
to take advantage, etc. Similarly, for Male-Shep, maybe Tali has gotten
a proposal from Kal'Reegar and been nominated as an admiral--important
because she'll never have kids with Male-Shep, and it would mean a
greater contribution to quarian society. Around the same time, Kaidan
or Ashley and Liara show back up. The opportunity to be disloyal is
there. Thoughts?

The one problem with this idea is that some people (like me) had no ME1 LI... as a matter of fact, I killed Kaiden off, so the only one left would be Liara and she was more of a little sister type for my Shep. I think the complications or attempts to make you feel bad have to come from direct interactions between Shep & ME1 LI (if present) & ME2 LI (if present) because it would be unfair to throw in something external to "make you feel bad" for people who have nothing to feel bad about. I also agree with those who have said that the man+kid thing would be a bit overkill given Carth/Thane etc. With the alien romances, I think there's enough drama built in: Garrus' father, the quarian fleet + illness potential, Thane being life-threateningly ill etc. without adding in random children (and those would be issues that can be used both as drama for those who have not cheated on anybody and as additional "feel bad" factors [or ammo for returning Me1 LI's] for those who did).

This said, I do agree that they will probably throw in some kind of hitch or crisis moment with the ME2 LI during which the ME1 LI (or possible LI) show back up and Shep. has to make a choice to go back to the ME1 LI, stay faithful to the ME2 LI or cheat on the ME2 LI (i.e. they had no ME1 LI, but now hook up with *insert whoever here*) or possibly gets dumped by both for lacking decisiveness if they cheated but don't make a clear cut either way when the old LI comes back around.

[DeeLite808]

Cerrydd wrote...

Being a voice actor in this game must be really fun. I mean, I wonder how the VA's reacted when they read the script with lines like "your waist is very supportive" or Mordin's lines about not ingesting. If they were not laughing their butts off, they don't have a good sense of humor .

In reality, many VA's just do it as a job. Some get attached to their roles, but in the end its just another job they add to their resume. Some roles they don't like, some they absolutely love to do.

And yes, there are many laugh-out loud moments in a sound booth (having sit on three recording sessions for a couple of video game titles) . Many times the lines you finally hear in the game, isn't even the lines that were in the script. A lot of changes can be made during the time the script is written up until the point the recording is made. And there are ALWAYS tons of extra lines that do NOT make it into a game (or any type of animation/anime/cartoon) that are equally as funny, but did not fit the pacing, or where the story was going - or technological limits (running out of room...).

And do realize that MANY of these recordings are done months to even maybe a year in advance. Then if something changes, a 2nd session (or even 3rd or 4th or 5th) will be scheduled to do pick-up lines or to redo the convo for an entire scene -  In that time, the VA has gone on to other jobs and could have rightly forgotten what they stated in previous jobs..

I can remember that the voice I lent to a Gameboy Advance title, I was recorded 5 months before it came out in retail stores. I had totally forgotten about the title, until a friend of mines bought it and started playing it.  In that time, I had already three other contract jobs and did 2 more voice recording jobs (both video game titles).

Don La Fontaine (the movie guy voice actor .. .RIP) could book as many as 30 jobs in one day, mainly working out of his studio in his home.

ETA: A VA friend of mines does actively  checks on the fandom of the characters he plays, because he is somewhat curious of what he may find. Sometimes, he finds some very disturbing stuff.  He loves his fans and appreciates that they like what he does, some fans can seriously go "overboard " in their fangirl/fanboy reactions. He just gets a laugh out of it, though. He enjoyed all the roles he's played.

Modifié par DeeLite808, 21 février 2010 - 08:27 .

[DeeLite808]

Little OT: Any of our PC users can do me a favor? I need some reference shots of Female Shepard's Casual outfit, the Commander's one. Not the space suit one (like Kelly's) but the 2nd choice option.



I need back, front and a side shot.



Anyone who can do this, IM greatly appreciative.