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[aznsoisauce]

Shep may have a lot of romance options now, but the fans will not be satisfied until we can bang everything that moves!
...
Anyway.

Of all the options, I am a little surprised they didn't make Joker an option. But...in my mind...I don't think he'd be very interested.
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Joker: Well, if it isn't my favorite Turian! What can I do you for?
Garrus: I just wanted to get some human perspective on something.
Joker: ...is this about the commander?
Garrus: Yeah, I...uh, that is...is the commander--is Shepard considered attractive by human standards?
Joker: Eh, she's not really my type. A little too butch for my taste.
Garrus: ...what?
Shepard: [From the CIC Private Terminal] JOKER!
Joker: Ah...speaking of our handsome cappy-tan...
[He spins his chair around and cups his hands around his mouth.]
Joker: Hey, Shepard! I'm waiting for you over here! You know...ON THE BRIDGE!
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Okay, someone said pics or it didn't happen. I don't have any of me dancing, but I'll whip up something in ms paint real quick.

Edit: Also, this.

Modifié par aznsoisauce, 22 mars 2010 - 03:34 .

[kglaser]

Holy cats, those are two of the most disturbing cartoon walruses I've ever seen.

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

what has been seen......

[Splinter Cell 108]

Daewan wrote...

Splinter Cell 108 wrote...

Garrus as a gay romance? Honestly I disagree to that. He seems too manly to do that. Even if he does give the same lines I bet a male would interpret it differently. For a male it would be just being friends as for a female it would probably mean flirting IMO. I have nothing against a gay relationship in the game or anything but I don't want Garrus to have a gay romance.

I'm sorry, but it sounds like you are assuming all gay romance is about manly men getting it on with girly men? Or that manly men don't consider other manly men at all attractive?  I refer you to the Ancient Romans, whose society has the most in common with the Turians, and who never had a problem with m/m romance or just straight up m/m sex.

The main problem that I have with Garrus and m/m sex is that if cross-species bodily fluids really do cause  allergic reactions and/or irritation, than it would be incredibly dangerous.

But the priiiiize....

I'm just saying I wouldn't like it. Sure if it happens I wouldn't go around hating BioWare for it. Garrus just doesn't seem like the type of person that would be gay IMO. He had sex with a female Turian. Why would he point that out if he were gay. I don't know anything about gay relationships or anything but I bet that story would say Garrus is unavailable. I doubt they will make him gay though, they didn't put any gay relationships in ME2, there's a chance there won't be any in ME3.

i bet I'm sounding like anti gay person or something. I don't mind people wanting same sex relations, I just want Garrus to stay straight.

[Sigma Tauri]

aznsoisauce wrote...
Joker: Well, if it isn't my favorite Turian! What can I do you for?
Garrus: I just wanted to get some human perspective on something.
Joker: ...is this about the commander?
Garrus: Yeah, I...uh, that is...is the commander--is Shepard considered attractive by human standards?
Joker: Eh, she's not really my type. A little too butch for my taste.
Garrus: ...what?
Shepard: [From the CIC Private Terminal] JOKER!
Joker: Ah...speaking of our handsome cappy-tan...
[He spins his chair around and cups his hands around his mouth.]
Joker: Hey, Shepard! I'm waiting for you over here! You know...ON THE BRIDGE!

I can already imagine hearing Seth Green saying this.

[Sigma Tauri]

Splinter Cell 108 wrote...
I'm just saying I wouldn't like it. Sure if it happens I wouldn't go around hating BioWare for it. Garrus just doesn't seem like the type of person that would be gay IMO. He had sex with a female Turian. Why would he point that out if he were gay. I don't know anything about gay relationships or anything but I bet that story would say Garrus is unavailable. I doubt they will make him gay though, they didn't put any gay relationships in ME2, there's a chance there won't be any in ME3.

i bet I'm sounding like anti gay person or something. I don't mind people wanting same sex relations, I just want Garrus to stay straight.

<_< Having sex with a female doesn't preclude you from homosexual actions.

And sexual relations with the female of another species is as much an exploration as having one with a male.

Modifié par monkeycamoran, 22 mars 2010 - 03:49 .

[Soltana]

aznsoisauce wrote...

Shep may have a lot of romance options now, but the fans will not be satisfied until we can bang everything that moves!

Hanar squaddie + LI FTW!!  

aznsoisauce wrote...

Edit: Also, this.

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What is this I don't even......

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[Collider]

Splinter Cell 108 wrote...

I'm just saying I wouldn't like it. Sure if it happens I wouldn't go around hating BioWare for it. Garrus just doesn't seem like the type of person that would be gay IMO. He had sex with a female Turian. Why would he point that out if he were gay. I don't know anything about gay relationships or anything but I bet that story would say Garrus is unavailable. I doubt they will make him gay though, they didn't put any gay relationships in ME2, there's a chance there won't be any in ME3.

i bet I'm sounding like anti gay person or something. I don't mind people wanting same sex relations, I just want Garrus to stay straight.

There seems to be very little chance at all for character's sexualities (practically speaking) changing in ME3. I may also add that Daewan's point about the Romans isn't entirely true. Eventually Roman society outright banned homosexual relations and made homosexual relations punishable by death.

About having sex with a female turian, Garrus could easily be bisexual. It has nothing to do with how manly he is, there are plenty of gays and lesbians who you may think that are heterosexual if you didn't know better. I don't think you need to worry though. At all.

[Daewan]

Splinter Cell 108 wrote...
(snippity)
I don't know anything about gay relationships or anything
(snippity)

For the most part, they're exactly like every other relationship in the world.  Two people, a bit of love, infinite possibilities on the ending.
At least you're trying, and being respectful, which is quite nice and refreshing.
To each their own!
Also, Garrus.  who is happily romancing my femShep at this very moment!
(Goes back to ME2 and refuses to be dragged into an ancient history discussion.)

Modifié par Daewan, 22 mars 2010 - 03:52 .

[kglaser]

Splinter Cell 108 wrote...
i bet I'm sounding like anti gay person or something. I don't mind people wanting same sex relations, I just want Garrus to stay straight.

My gay friend at work (who, by the way, has a big thing for Kaidan but otherwise has good taste in general), when I told him I dumped Thane to romance Garrus, looked at me like I was dangerously crazy and covered in rancid mayonnaise to boot.  I don't think he gets the attraction, LOL
--but he also told me that Garrus was far and away his favorite character from Mass Effect.  Told you he has good taste!

[enormousmoonboots]

Splinter Cell 108 wrote...

Daewan wrote...

Splinter Cell 108 wrote...

Garrus as a gay romance? Honestly I disagree to that. He seems too manly to do that. Even if he does give the same lines I bet a male would interpret it differently. For a male it would be just being friends as for a female it would probably mean flirting IMO. I have nothing against a gay relationship in the game or anything but I don't want Garrus to have a gay romance.

I'm sorry, but it sounds like you are assuming all gay romance is about manly men getting it on with girly men? Or that manly men don't consider other manly men at all attractive?  I refer you to the Ancient Romans, whose society has the most in common with the Turians, and who never had a problem with m/m romance or just straight up m/m sex.

The main problem that I have with Garrus and m/m sex is that if cross-species bodily fluids really do cause  allergic reactions and/or irritation, than it would be incredibly dangerous.

But the priiiiize....

I'm just saying I wouldn't like it. Sure if it happens I wouldn't go around hating BioWare for it. Garrus just doesn't seem like the type of person that would be gay IMO. He had sex with a female Turian. Why would he point that out if he were gay. I don't know anything about gay relationships or anything but I bet that story would say Garrus is unavailable. I doubt they will make him gay though, they didn't put any gay relationships in ME2, there's a chance there won't be any in ME3.

i bet I'm sounding like anti gay person or something. I don't mind people wanting same sex relations, I just want Garrus to stay straight.

Bisexuals: they exist. Depending on your definition, probably in higher proportions than strictly homosexual people.

Also, you're making the mistake of trying to map western human sexuality onto aliens, which...isn't going to work. Like, at all.

I've said it before, but I think turians actually have the highest odds of being the most accepting about homosexuality/bisexuality. Their society is extremely permissible when it comes to personal freedoms and they're based off Romans.

[kglaser]

enormousmoonboots wrote...
I've said it before, but I think turians actually have the highest odds of being the most accepting about homosexuality/bisexuality. Their society is extremely permissible when it comes to personal freedoms and they're based off Romans.

Excellent point!  After all, they don't really care what people do as long as it doesn't interfere with performing their duties or hurt other citizens.  I haven't thought about that lately.

[aznsoisauce]

And now for "Garrus is My Waifu" (since I have no pics or it didn't happen proof of me dancing)


...and then there was dancing.

[Collider]

enormousmoonboots wrote...
I've said it before, but I think turians actually have the highest odds of being the most accepting about homosexuality/bisexuality.

You really have no idea about that. We don't have an ounce of insight in Turian homosexuality. What we do have is evidence that males like the humanoid female form.

Their society is extremely permissible when it comes to personal freedoms and they're based off Romans.

I'm not sure Bioware has even said that the Turians were based on the romans. It seems like people are projecting the Romans unto Turian society. This is a fictional society we're talking about, clearly they do not need to adhere to human civilization. And even then, Roman civilizations eventually made homosexuality punishable by death. How Turian society reacts to homosexuality and bisexuality is also not absolutely important to whether Garrus is bisexual or not. There are plenty of homosexual and bisexual people in societies that disagree with them.

[Cerrydd]

aznsoisauce wrote...

And now for "Garrus is My Waifu" (since I have no pics or it didn't happen proof of me dancing)


...and then there was dancing.

Thank you. I've been waiting for houuuuuuuuuuurs to see this. Now I can finally stop refreshing this page and do my homework.

[Splinter Cell 108]

enormousmoonboots wrote...

Splinter Cell 108 wrote...

Daewan wrote...

Splinter Cell 108 wrote...

Garrus as a gay romance? Honestly I disagree to that. He seems too manly to do that. Even if he does give the same lines I bet a male would interpret it differently. For a male it would be just being friends as for a female it would probably mean flirting IMO. I have nothing against a gay relationship in the game or anything but I don't want Garrus to have a gay romance.

I'm sorry, but it sounds like you are assuming all gay romance is about manly men getting it on with girly men? Or that manly men don't consider other manly men at all attractive?  I refer you to the Ancient Romans, whose society has the most in common with the Turians, and who never had a problem with m/m romance or just straight up m/m sex.

The main problem that I have with Garrus and m/m sex is that if cross-species bodily fluids really do cause  allergic reactions and/or irritation, than it would be incredibly dangerous.

But the priiiiize....

I'm just saying I wouldn't like it. Sure if it happens I wouldn't go around hating BioWare for it. Garrus just doesn't seem like the type of person that would be gay IMO. He had sex with a female Turian. Why would he point that out if he were gay. I don't know anything about gay relationships or anything but I bet that story would say Garrus is unavailable. I doubt they will make him gay though, they didn't put any gay relationships in ME2, there's a chance there won't be any in ME3.

i bet I'm sounding like anti gay person or something. I don't mind people wanting same sex relations, I just want Garrus to stay straight.

Bisexuals: they exist. Depending on your definition, probably in higher proportions than strictly homosexual people.

Also, you're making the mistake of trying to map western human sexuality onto aliens, which...isn't going to work. Like, at all.

I've said it before, but I think turians actually have the highest odds of being the most accepting about homosexuality/bisexuality. Their society is extremely permissible when it comes to personal freedoms and they're based off Romans.

I was going to mention bisexuals but I forgot while I was typing. If he does turn out to be bisexual, I would have no problem with it, just as long as they don't make me avoid talking to him because it will trigger the romance just like it occurs with all the ME2 and ME1 romances except for Garrus and Tail. I had no problem with Zevran being bisexual, when he started flirting I just said that it was unexpected just so I wouldn't lose approval. That was about it though, I didn't tell him anything flirty after that. If that does happen with Garrus then I hope it happens in a similar way to Zevran except with all the flirting. Garrus doesn't go around flirting with everyone.

[Ray Joel Oh]

aznsoisauce wrote...

And now for "Garrus is My Waifu" (since I have no pics or it didn't happen proof of me dancing)


...and then there was dancing.

Oh my gosh that's precious

[aznsoisauce]

Collider wrote...
I'm not sure Bioware has even said that the Turians were based on the romans. It seems like people are projecting the Romans unto Turian society. This is a fictional society we're talking about, clearly they do not need to adhere to human civilization. And even then, Roman civilizations eventually made homosexuality punishable by death. How Turian society reacts to homosexuality and bisexuality is also not absolutely important to whether Garrus is bisexual or not. There are plenty of homosexual and bisexual people in societies that disagree with them.

People are projecting what is recognizable to them, we are humans after all. It's much like how fans would compare Krogans to Spartans. Turian nomenclature, military doctrine, and culture are similar to Romans, thus the comparison. While I have not seen and cannot provide an official reference to this...'Turian' is supposedly based on the word centurion. 

Buuut...that was pretty much just me quoting the wiki.

Still, it isn't impossible that developers had the Romans in mind when designing Turians. Once again, just relating to something recognizable to us humans.

Splinter Cell 108 wrote...
Garrus doesn't go around flirting with everyone.

LOL!
...well...it is true.

Modifié par aznsoisauce, 22 mars 2010 - 04:16 .

[enormousmoonboots]

Collider wrote...

Their society is extremely permissible when it comes to personal freedoms and they're based off Romans.

I'm not sure Bioware has even said that the Turians were based on the romans. It seems like people are projecting the Romans unto Turian society. This is a fictional society we're talking about, clearly they do not need to adhere to human civilization. And even then, Roman civilizations eventually made homosexuality punishable by death. How Turian society reacts to homosexuality and bisexuality is also not absolutely important to whether Garrus is bisexual or not. There are plenty of homosexual and bisexual people in societies that disagree with them.

The fact that they have Latin/Latin-sounding names and Romanesque military doctrine/colonization attitudes doesn't make you think they're Roman-inspired? Bioware doesn't need to say it to make it a reference, it's not like they put out interviews telling us that Ashley is Bruce Campbell. I'm not saying that turians ARE Romans, just that they're clearly inspired by and reference them. A reference doesn't need to be 100% historically accurate.

Turian attitude to ******/bisexuality is important because it will have influenced Garrus's attitude. If they're open about it, it follows logically that Garrus would be more open about his sexuality. If it were punishable by death, he would probably be a lot more close-mouthed about it.

[Collider]

aznsoisauce wrote...
People are projecting what is recognizable to them, we are humans after all. It's much like how fans would compare Krogans to Spartans. Turian nomenclature, military doctrine, and culture are similar to Romans, thus the comparison. While I have not seen and cannot provide an official reference to this...'Turian' is supposedly based on the word centurion.

Buuut...that was pretty much just me quoting the wiki.

Still, it isn't impossible that developers had the Romans in mind when designing Turians. Once again, just relating to something recognizable to us humans.

Yea, but I don't think we really know whether they were based on the Romans intentionally and specifically. Quarian culture has an element of Jewish culture (forgive me if I can word this better) yet I couldn't say whether they were based on Jewish culture. Plus there's always the element of creative freedom while writing, especially with an alien culture. But what it comes down to...I highly doubt we're going to get any insight on how Turians think of homosexuality or bisexuality, at most we'd get "some turians are homosexuality/bisexual" or "so far as we know Turians don't care." The reason I say this is because Bioware is skirting a dangerous line if they decide to talk about sexuality politics.

[Twilight_Princess]

Do you guys think you would have liked Thane more if Bioware didn't try so hard to, I don't know...make his romance so freakin DIRE?

Me: You have a cool voice, an interesting art design , a cool jacket AND you're an assassin? You are so awesome Thane! Wow, you may very well become my love intre-

Thane: I have a dead wife

Me: Ah...ok, I guess I can overloo-

Thane: I also have issues with my son

Me: You have a kid too huh? *eyes dart to the door*

Thane: Did I ever tell you how I feel about you siha

Me: Siha?

Thane: Yes, its a name of a Goddess

Me: Wow..that's so romantic...maybe we could-

Thane: I called my DEAD WIFE that

Me: Right, anything else?

Thane: I'm going to die in a few months

Me:...ok *leaves to find Garrus*

Thane: *shouting down the hall* OH! I ALSO HAVE GENITAL HERPES. HOPE THAT'S COOL.

Modifié par Hyrule_Gal, 22 mars 2010 - 04:38 .

[Ray Joel Oh]

Hahahaha I laughed out loud. Maybe if I were bigger into tragedy I'd go for him. As it is I'm more inclined to stiffly pat him on the back and say "there there" as I stand on the other side of the table.

[Zafflesia]

I actually thought Thane was rather sweet, but... well, you know.



Garrus.

[Collider]

enormousmoonboots wrote...
The fact that they have Latin/Latin-sounding names and Romanesque military doctrine/colonization attitudes doesn't make you think they're Roman-inspired?

Realistically, all of these alien races have elements inspired by human civilization. But that does not mean we can assume that any race is based upon a human civilization. I'd like to think that these races would be deeper than that, too.

I'm not saying that turians ARE Romans,

yes, clearly =p It would be amusing if you did though.

just that they're clearly inspired by and reference them. A reference doesn't need to be 100% historically accurate.

Just consider inspired to be different than based. And even if it were based, Bioware still has full creative freedom.

Turian attitude to ******/bisexuality is important because it will have influenced Garrus's attitude. If they're open about it, it follows logically that Garrus would be more open about his sexuality. If it were punishable by death, he would probably be a lot more close-mouthed about it.

Well, what I said is that it likely doesn't affect whether Garrus is bisexual or not, likely. Whether he is open about though you're right, is related.

[aznsoisauce]

Collider wrote...

aznsoisauce wrote...
People are projecting what is recognizable to them, we are humans after all. It's much like how fans would compare Krogans to Spartans. Turian nomenclature, military doctrine, and culture are similar to Romans, thus the comparison. While I have not seen and cannot provide an official reference to this...'Turian' is supposedly based on the word centurion.

Buuut...that was pretty much just me quoting the wiki.

Still, it isn't impossible that developers had the Romans in mind when designing Turians. Once again, just relating to something recognizable to us humans.

Yea, but I don't think we really know whether they were based on the Romans intentionally and specifically. Quarian culture has an element of Jewish culture (forgive me if I can word this better) yet I couldn't say whether they were based on Jewish culture. Plus there's always the element of creative freedom while writing, especially with an alien culture. But what it comes down to...I highly doubt we're going to get any insight on how Turians think of homosexuality or bisexuality, at most we'd get "some turians are homosexuality/bisexual" or "so far as we know Turians don't care." The reason I say this is because Bioware is skirting a dangerous line if they decide to talk about sexuality politics.

Yeah, that's why I didn't even touch anything on the homosexuality/bisexuality culture reaction talks here. I was simply explaining why people would project Romans on to Turians.

Also...Quarians seem like a cultural hodge-podge to me. Jewish, Russian, Asian (specifically, Chinese), and so on. So the varying exotic accents aboard the flotilla was very fitting...but that's off-topic.