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[Collider]

Flammie wrote...

Ugh, I've never even thought about how complicated that word is. I guess it was interesting to think about out loud and see other people's views, even if I haven't got any developed ones, and I pushed it a little far. I probably shouldn't even be thinking about it. It's nice to ponder, I guess, but I liked being young and unaware and not having a feeling like my head wants to explode.

Ah, you shouldn't apologize, it's certainly an interesting topic. No one is faulting you for it

[Kim Shepard]

I never look at anything on deviantArt. >_>; My antivirus program will tell me that there's something trying to infect my computer within a few seconds.



I like to think that Garrus started to like Shepard gradually over the span of both games. When he says he doesn't have a human fetish, I take it to mean that he's not instantly attracted to humans just because they're human (the opposite would be my main Shepard, who is instantly attracted to every turian she sees), which should mean that he didn't fall in love with Shepard at first sight. My Shepard was definitely attracted to him at first sight, and fell in love with him at some point during ME1.

The way I see it, Garrus probably didn't realize how much he cared for Shepard until she died, but even then he wasn't thinking along the lines of a romantic relationship until Shepard made that comment about sparring. His reaction made it seem like he just never thought it would be possible (for a number of reasons - she's his commander, he doesn't want to ruin their friendship, the whole interspecies thing), but when she brought it up he started to think about it, that's probably when he came to the realization.

...I could try to explain that better, but that description is long enough as it is. xD



I never read fanfics, but it annoys me when people act out of character in things like book-to-movie (or movie-to-book) adaptations. Dx

[Pannamaslo]

Collider wrote...

Pannamaslo wrote...

Collider wrote...

You're treading a very subjective road when you start talking about love. Very.

I am a psychologist, I try to make subjective things systematic and understandable. This model was tested zillion times with psychometric tools. It works, but I wont forget that every human is different and needs individuall approach.

Like I said, I think it's important that what constitutes as love varies from person to person - for example, many would consider teenage relationships as devoid of genuine and true love. While we do have many insights into the human mind and personality, I don't think we're far enough to make many concrete conclusions, especially in the emotional ambiguity of love. We haven't unraveled all of the secrets to humankind quite yet. That is the reason why I very much dislike dogmatic adherence to Freudian theories, for example.

I dislike psychoanaliysis, its a philosophy and psychology is a science. The problem lies in operationalisation. What is love. Of course it will vary from person to preson or culture to culture, but there are generalisations we can make, hence above theory. BTW It has very practical usage in marital therapy.  Humans are not that different + thankfully:whistle:

Anyway Garrus anyoneB)

[Cerrydd]

Sialater wrote...

Daewan wrote...

The visual cue when Garrus says that he doesn't have a fetish for humans is an interesting contradiction. ("Boobies!")

Wait... rewind... what?

This, but moving.

[Pannamaslo]

Probably they were already here, but...

[Sialater]

Cerrydd wrote...

Sialater wrote...

Daewan wrote...

The visual cue when Garrus says that he doesn't have a fetish for humans is an interesting contradiction. ("Boobies!")

Wait... rewind... what?

This, but moving.

Well.  It seems he IS just like every other male in the galaxy.  How reassuring.

[Flammie]

I've just spent a bit of Mass Effect 1 looking up Garrus. Damn, he's a fine piece of meat.

Actually, it's quite funny, I use a party of Wrex and Garrus now, and I see this short woman that looks like she's wearing cloth, and two aliens behind her towering over her and armoured, yet it seems like she's the leader.



I love aimo's work.

Sialater wrote...

Well.  It seems he IS just like every other male in the galaxy.  How reassuring.

And you wouldn't have liked him if he wasn't like every other male in the galaxy?

Modifié par Flammie, 22 mars 2010 - 08:10 .

[Sialater]

Flammie wrote...

I've just spent a bit of Mass Effect 1 looking up Garrus. Damn, he's a fine piece of meat.

Actually, it's quite funny, I use a party of Wrex and Garrus now, and I see this short woman that looks like she's wearing cloth, and two aliens behind her towering over her and armoured, yet it seems like she's the leader.



I love aimo's work.

Sialater wrote...

Well.  It seems he IS just like every other male in the galaxy.  How reassuring.

And you wouldn't have liked him if he wasn't like every other male in the galaxy?

I  Aimo, too.

That was entirely tongue-in-cheek, Flammie, I promise.

[Flammie]

Yes... right... *subtly watches Sialater* *realises there's absolutely nothing wrong with her to watch*


Well, I guess I'd better get off my ass and start writing more. For some reason I'm lazy yet determined. Part of Garrus's innate charm, I guess.

Modifié par Flammie, 22 mars 2010 - 08:29 .

[Collider]

I love aimo's art. She even did an official Dragon Age comic of a deleted scene. I rather wish she'd do some maleshep stuff, but alas

Modifié par Collider, 22 mars 2010 - 08:29 .

[Flammie]

I always think Chandler and Monica from Friends when we're talking about the relationship from a developed friendship point of view. I mean, it's like they almost fit except Garrus and FemShep don't accidently fall into bed and wake up together after FemShep got a little drunk. Otherwise it fits. All we'd need is for the two to try and keep it a secret, but more and more people start to know until it's an intergrated part of their life.

*Tali walks into Main Battery*

"Garrus, apparently a hotel in the Citadel called saying you forgot your hairpin, the crew have been talking about it,"

"H-Hairpin?"

"Is there something you're not telling us?"

*Shepard walks into Main Battery*

"Garrus, have you seen my hairpin anywhere? I've lost it somewhe-Oh, hi, Tali,"

*Tali looks at Garrus, at Shepard, and then back at Garrus*

"Ah."

Modifié par Flammie, 22 mars 2010 - 09:02 .

[enormousmoonboots]

Flammie wrote...

I've just spent a bit of Mass Effect 1 looking up Garrus. Damn, he's a fine piece of meat.

Actually, it's quite funny, I use a party of Wrex and Garrus now, and I see this short woman that looks like she's wearing cloth, and two aliens behind her towering over her and armoured, yet it seems like she's the leader.

You're playing Mass Effect 1 correctly. Carry on.

Geez, two new pages during my one class? We're going at a good clip now, lemme toss in my two creds...

Attraction: I'm in the camp that Garrus had kind of a growing subconscious crush throughout the first game (again, I cite that so damn adorable "Commander, I wanted to thank you [...] uh, n-never mind, forget I said anything"), which (still subconsciously) continued into the second ("If I wanted to do more than take down your shields, I would have" and "Some women are attracted to men with scars" are just delivered in such a flirty way. I know the first is spoken for males and females, but it sounds just as euphemism-tastic when said to Manshep). When Shep brings it up, he's kind of shocked that damn, he actually wants this--when did that happen?! He tries to play it cool, but just can't write it off as a fling; note how his romance coversations go from 'reach and flexibility' to 'This is about us', and ends in probably the least sex-fuelled encounter of all of the romances.

Interspecies relationship: While I don't really like the trope of overprotective!Garrus (dude, have you seen how often she beats up krogans? That is a woman with no need of protection), I feel like he would secretly be really nervous about hurting Shepard, though he wouldn't want to let her know it. If she actually had a severe reaction/injury as a result of their relationship--like, blacking out, call Chakwas up, CRITICAL MISSION FAILURE severe, he would need some serious convincing to get back into the swing of things. (though given how Shepard chugs poison and radioactive krogan booze--both of which should KILL her, or at least hospitalize--like it's nothing, I have trouble seeing her having a severe allergic reaction at all, let alone getting significantly scratched/bruised up. Heavy skin/bone weave, ****es)

Actually, I don't think turians are particularly tougher/stronger/more agile than humans at all, just pointier. Unarmed Shepard can beat the everloving **** of three turians (and outglare a krogan) on Samara's loyalty mission. While it's true that cutscene powers are all over the place in this game (Kolyat kills a Blood Pack krogan with one pistol shot, what) and that Shepard is a trained special forces operative against a drunk and some thugs, I just can't see them being as tough as some fans assume. If you play Soldier Shepard, she's way tankier than he is.

And while they might get a little discouraged at hurdles like not being able to share food, I think they're both hard-headed enough to not be bothered by it. Actually, I've got this scene in my mind for whenever I get back to writing of them going to Chakwas for scratch tests to see what they can share.

Out-of-character Garrus: I once read a fic where, after meeting her for the first time on the Presidium, he was instantly in love with her because of her stunning beauty. excuse me wtf are you doing. Instant back button.

[siltsonata]

enormousmoonboots wrote...

Flammie wrote...

I've just spent a bit of Mass Effect 1 looking up Garrus. Damn, he's a fine piece of meat.

Actually, it's quite funny, I use a party of Wrex and Garrus now, and I see this short woman that looks like she's wearing cloth, and two aliens behind her towering over her and armoured, yet it seems like she's the leader.

You're playing Mass Effect 1 correctly. Carry on.

Geez, two new pages during my one class? We're going at a good clip now, lemme toss in my two creds...

Attraction: I'm in the camp that Garrus had kind of a growing subconscious crush throughout the first game (again, I cite that so damn adorable "Commander, I wanted to thank you [...] uh, n-never mind, forget I said anything"), which (still subconsciously) continued into the second ("If I wanted to do more than take down your shields, I would have" and "Some women are attracted to men with scars" are just delivered in such a flirty way. I know the first is spoken for males and females, but it sounds just as euphemism-tastic when said to Manshep). When Shep brings it up, he's kind of shocked that damn, he actually wants this--when did that happen?! He tries to play it cool, but just can't write it off as a fling; note how his romance coversations go from 'reach and flexibility' to 'This is about us', and ends in probably the least sex-fuelled encounter of all of the romances.

Interspecies relationship: While I don't really like the trope of overprotective!Garrus (dude, have you seen how often she beats up krogans? That is a woman with no need of protection), I feel like he would secretly be really nervous about hurting Shepard, though he wouldn't want to let her know it. If she actually had a severe reaction/injury as a result of their relationship--like, blacking out, call Chakwas up, CRITICAL MISSION FAILURE severe, he would need some serious convincing to get back into the swing of things. (though given how Shepard chugs poison and radioactive krogan booze--both of which should KILL her, or at least hospitalize--like it's nothing, I have trouble seeing her having a severe allergic reaction at all, let alone getting significantly scratched/bruised up. Heavy skin/bone weave, ****es)

Actually, I don't think turians are particularly tougher/stronger/more agile than humans at all, just pointier. Unarmed Shepard can beat the everloving **** of three turians (and outglare a krogan) on Samara's loyalty mission. While it's true that cutscene powers are all over the place in this game (Kolyat kills a Blood Pack krogan with one pistol shot, what) and that Shepard is a trained special forces operative against a drunk and some thugs, I just can't see them being as tough as some fans assume. If you play Soldier Shepard, she's way tankier than he is.

And while they might get a little discouraged at hurdles like not being able to share food, I think they're both hard-headed enough to not be bothered by it. Actually, I've got this scene in my mind for whenever I get back to writing of them going to Chakwas for scratch tests to see what they can share.

Out-of-character Garrus: I once read a fic where, after meeting her for the first time on the Presidium, he was instantly in love with her because of her stunning beauty. excuse me wtf are you doing. Instant back button.

Are...are you me? Have you stolen my brain?  I agree with absolutely every single word here.  I would send you cookies right now if I could.

I Especially agree with that bit about overprotective Garrus.  He's made it pretty clear that he knows exactly how much ass Shepard can kick if she wants to. "Remind me never to get on your bad side", plus the fact that he turns down the sparring offer, pretty much saying he doesn't want to get his ass kicked?  Not saying that Garrus wouldn't give her a run for her money or anything, but he knows she's a gigantic badass.

[Flammie]

Yay, I'm playing it right. I feel so heartened.

Okay, that OOC Garrus would definitely be OOC for me.

But, even though Shepard is this strong soul that's driving her and Garrus forwards, I think deep down she shares some of Garrus's insecurities and such, but tries to keep it down because she's trying to lead everybody. I think there's a little sensitive vulnerability in her.

I think a turian's toughness depends on their skill. They're really only a different shape and have some resistance to radiation.

I do find it interesting that Shepard and two others can take on hoards and swarms of mercs and monsters of different experiences. Though Garrus did an amazing job of holding the line on his own when three merc groups were ganging up on him, too.

I guess the lack of sexual content in the Garrus relationship does show a tender build up and growth between them. Though, I'd like a bit more to the interlude. Heck, I think Jack's interlude ending, but replacing Jack for FemShep and MaleShep for Garrus would be perfect.

siltsonata, you also has the same avatar as enormousmoonboots. I seriously thought enormousmoonboots was double posting, and quoting herself. Bloody hell. I'm getting confused.

Well, I'm the only chicken in this thread.

Modifié par Flammie, 22 mars 2010 - 09:47 .

[ELE08]

enormousmoonboots wrote...

Actually, I don't think turians are particularly tougher/stronger/more agile than humans at all, just pointier. Unarmed Shepard can beat the everloving **** of three turians (and outglare a krogan) on Samara's loyalty mission. While it's true that cutscene powers are all over the place in this game (Kolyat kills a Blood Pack krogan with one pistol shot, what) and that Shepard is a trained special forces operative against a drunk and some thugs, I just can't see them being as tough as some fans assume. If you play Soldier Shepard, she's way tankier than he is.

The entire post was good, but this is an excellent point.  I read a lot of fics where Garrus ends up actually hurting Shepard inadvertently.  Yeah, they're not as squishy as humans, but I don't think their skin is as tough as some make it out to be.  It's not metal plating or anything.  It can't stop bullets.  You could stab one, it just takes a little more elbow grease.

And hello, yes, Shepard is not an ordinary human.  Heavy skin weave, cybernetics, she's a tough ass kicking technologically enhanced woman.  I think she can handle a little chafing.

[siltsonata]

Flammie wrote...

But, even though Shepard is this strong soul that's driving her and Garrus forwards, I think deep down she shares some of Garrus's insecurities and such, but tries to keep it down because she's trying to lead everybody. I think there's a little sensitive vulnerability in her.

In the end, when you talk about what Shepard feels "deep down" (or in other words, emotions that we as players don't actually see portrayed in the game),  that's going to be different for each player and each Shepard.  Your Shepard (and many others) may have that sensitive vulnerability, but perhaps mine doesn't.  

A good example is when I ****ed to my younger brother after we both finished the game. I complained about Shepard not showing any kind of reaction to being BROUGHT BACK TO LIFE WHAT, but he just looked at me and shook his head saying that "Shepard is the ultimate badass.  He just shrugs it off and keeps moving." To me (and my Shepard) there are huge issues there that need to be addressed, but his Shepard compartmentalizes very well and copes. 

[aznsoisauce]

If FemShep has anything to be insecure about...it's that no male in the galaxy seems to have the quads to try wooing her for a change.

Asari, on the other hand, are all up in her beeznass, doncha know.

But...guys not hitting on Shepard is actually pretty realistic. That doesn't make it any less irritating. 

[Flammie]

It's a fair point, and I agree. Everybody's Shepard is quite diverse. I guess I could have worded that a lot better.

I do think it's a little unusual for Shepard to not be shocked by the fact that s/he was dead for two years. It's almost like they've gone through it before. But, every Shepard does react differently. Maybe some don't think it's worth thinking about because it's already happened. Maybe some just don't care.

I guess Shepard really is a diverse being.

[Ray Joel Oh]

Cerrydd wrote...

:lol:

You should do something like this. But better. (it is now official: I can't draw)

Add pics with [.img]www.yourpicturehere.com[./img] without the .

All the naked Cathy's love shopping, chocolate, and Garrus!

[aznsoisauce]

Ray Joel Oh wrote...

Cerrydd wrote...

:lol:

You should do something like this. But better. (it is now official: I can't draw)

Add pics with [.img]www.yourpicturehere.com[./img] without the .

All the naked Cathy's love shopping, chocolate, and Garrus!

Dammit.

Cannot unsee!
D:

[Splinter Cell 108]

I don't know much about biology but IIRC not everyone gets allergic reactions from the same thing. I'd like to think that my female Shepard isn't allergic to Garrus and therefore can do what she pleases with him. The same goes for Garrus, I hope he isn't allergic to humans. I'd hate if the relationship would be destroyed just because someone could get hurt.

[ELE08]

aznsoisauce wrote...

If FemShep has anything to be insecure about...it's that no male in the galaxy seems to have the quads to try wooing her for a change.

Asari, on the other hand, are all up in her beeznass, doncha know.

But...guys not hitting on Shepard is actually pretty realistic. That doesn't make it any less irritating. 

Harkin does say she looks good in her soldier gettup.  And let's not forget Conrad.  You know the walls of his house are plastered in pictures of her captured from news vids with his face shopped in.  Those two paragons of manliness not good enough for you?

No asari's hitting on my Shep either.  They all got shot in ME1.  I have a problem.

[aznsoisauce]

Re: Garrus/Shepard Allergic Reaction

It would still work. 

@ELE08 - It's never the guys you want it to be... <_<

Modifié par aznsoisauce, 22 mars 2010 - 10:09 .

[Ray Joel Oh]

aznsoisauce wrote...

Re: Garrus/Shepard Allergic Reaction

It would still work. 

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