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[aznsoisauce]

I'm still bitter about it being cancelled. This bitterness will probably last longer that what I had for Firefly.
It was a secret plot to get Brian Fuller back to Heroes, I'm sure.

Edit: For the unfortunately uninformed...
It's a picture of two main characters from the show Pushing Daisies. The show only lasted 2 seasons in the span of 22 episodes - THANKS A LOT, WRITER'S STRIKE. Anyway, I was referring to the relationship between the two characters. Ned, on the left, and Chuck on the right.

Ned can bring the dead back to life with his touch. However, if he touches them again, they die. Chuck is one such individual. Ned and Chuck are in love. Needless to say, they do such things as kissing through saran wrap.

Modifié par aznsoisauce, 22 mars 2010 - 10:43 .

[bushes289]

It alway's always ruins a story for me when Garrus is stronger than Femshep, it doesn't make any sense. There's to much evidence stating otherwise. I mean, if you pay attention Garrus can't lift Harkin up off the floor, his feet are still on the floor. plenty of humans can do what Garrus did to Harkin, I'm not one of them but it really wasn't wasn't that impressive. Arousing yes, but nothing really special.

Then you look at Femshep, she can throw Grunt over her head with one arm while hanging over a ledge after haing just stopped her own momentum, a feat that should be impossible. I wouldn't be surprised if Grunt weighed over 1000 lbs, Krogans are pure dense muscle and Grunt is almost twice the size of the average Krogan. I know in game he's about as tall as Shepard but if you watch the cutscene where he wakes up he towers over him/her.

I can't see Garrus even being able to lift Grunt. I'm not saying that Garrus would be an easy spar for Shepard, but the only way he'd win is if she was distracted or let him win. Whether or not turians are stronger than humans is up for debate but no way in hell is Garrus stronger than Shepard. I didn't get a sarcasm vibe when he said he didn't want to spar, I got a "I don't want to humiliate myself" vibe. 

Unfortunately a lot of authors think otherwise, I think it's wish fulfillment, so many women still want their man to be stronger than them, I've had friends tell me that they wouldn't want to date someone who wasn't stronger than them. It always weirded me out, probably because I've always wanted to be the stronger in a relationship, but in the end, I just want to get along with the person I end up with.

Anyway, the only squadmate who I wouldn't have any qualms with beating Shepard in a spar is Thane, because he's a master at close combat. Shepard can be really good at it but she/he just doesn't have the intensive training that Thane has. Don't worry, I like Garrus a lot more than Thane and if Thane and Shepard were in a deathmatch and they had guns, then I believe Shepard would win. Of course there are variables, but it's impossible to list them all.

Modifié par bushes289, 22 mars 2010 - 10:47 .

[Ray Joel Oh]

They will always have the Pie Hole. Sigh.



Am I the only one here who's fallen for somebody they initially thought was fugly? Not that I think he thinks she's fugly (unless your Shepard does happen to be fugly, ha), but attraction can happen independent of initial physical assessment, and it can change you so that you start finding them physically and sexually attractive. Eye of the beholder and all that. Heck, like I've said, I didn't think of Garrus that way when I first saw him. People can just grow on you.

And hey, I don't think she'll have to worry about his eyes wandering around other attractive human women. Sucks for you, Kelly.

[aznsoisauce]

bushes289 wrote...
Anyway, the only squadmate who I wouldn't have any qualms with beating Shepard in a spar is Thane, because he's a master at close combat. Shepard can be really good at it but she/he just doesn't have the intensive training that Thane has. Don't worry, I like Garrus a lot more than Thane and if Thane and Shepard were in a deathmatch and they had guns, then I believe Shepard would win. Of course there are variables, but it's impossible to list them all.

I think Shepard's CQC would vary based on her/his class. As in...Vanguards are probably superior when it comes to close-quarters but Infiltrators are not. One of those "to each Shep, their own" situations.

If Shepard were to lose to anyone in close quarters, Thane would probably be the most likely squad mate. I agree.

Edit:

Ray Joel Oh wrote...
Am I the only one here who's fallen for somebody they initially thought was fugly? 

/raise hand

I remember thinking in middle school that he looks like a butch lesbian. Additionally, I thought he was the biggest douche bag. Come to think of it...I'm not entirely sure how, when, or why my attraction to him started...but hey. We're happy so I'm not complaining. 

Modifié par aznsoisauce, 22 mars 2010 - 10:53 .

[enormousmoonboots]

Soldier Shep's cheese-tastic 'slow down time and also halve damage' move would totally ruin Thane. Adept/Engineer/Infiltrator Shepard would be in a pickle, though. IIRC drell have stupidly dense musculature and are much heavier than they look, not getting hit would be very important.



Regarding strength, you actually can't take anything they do in their armor as 100% factual; ME hardsuits are like mild power armor, they significantly increase the wearer's physical strength, usually to a set threshold (remember the armor mods in ME1 that increased your physics threshold and melee damage? That's what those were doing. Remember giving them all to Wrex? Good times). The only time we see Shep fight without armor, and thus at her natural strength (well, as natural as a genetically enhanced cyborg can get), is on Samara's loyalty mission. And we only see Garrus out of armor in the final love scene, he's not lifting krogans or throwing people around there. No way to judge.

[Ray Joel Oh]

aznsoisauce wrote...

Ray Joel Oh wrote...
Am I the only one here who's fallen for somebody they initially thought was fugly? 

/raise hand

I remember thinking in middle school that he looks like a butch lesbian. Additionally, I thought he was the biggest douche bag. Come to think of it...I'm not entirely sure how, when, or why my attraction to him started...but hey. We're happy so I'm not complaining. 

Hahaha doh I want to pinch your cheeks!

Great, funny, romantic story about some friends of a friend.  She was in the process of becoming a man and was introducing herself as such.  He met her, fell in love, thought "oh my gosh I'm gay, I can't believe it."  She thought "oh my gosh I'm straight, I can't believe it."  They came out to each other, she stopped the gene hormone therapy, and they have been together ever since.  So yeah.  ♫Love changes everything♫

Modifié par Ray Joel Oh, 22 mars 2010 - 11:28 .

[Neria Rose]

bushes289 wrote...
Unfortunately a lot of authors think otherwise, I think it's wish fulfillment, so many women still want their man to be stronger than them, I've had friends tell me that they wouldn't want to date someone who wasn't stronger than them. It always weirded me out, probably because I've always wanted to be the stronger in a relationship, but in the end, I just want to get along with the person I end up with.

I'm with those authors on that point. I like alpha men and I can't think of a man as alpha if he's not taller, heavier, and stronger than I am.

[aznsoisauce]

Ray Joel Oh wrote...

aznsoisauce wrote...

Ray Joel Oh wrote...
Am I the only one here who's fallen for somebody they initially thought was fugly? 

/raise hand

I remember thinking in middle school that he looks like a butch lesbian. Additionally, I thought he was the biggest douche bag. Come to think of it...I'm not entirely sure how, when, or why my attraction to him started...but hey. We're happy so I'm not complaining. 

Hahaha doh I want to pinch your cheeks!

Great, funny, romantic story about some friends of a friend.  She was in the process of becoming a man and was introducing herself as such.  He met her, fell in love, thought "oh my gosh I'm gay, I can't believe it."  She thought "oh my gosh I'm straight, I can't believe it."  They came out to each other, she stopped the gene therapy, and they have been together ever since.  So yeah.  ♫Love changes everything♫

Wow...that is SO CUTE. 

and...uh...Hey. Garrus.

[Nyx]

aznsoisauce wrote...

bushes289 wrote...
Anyway, the only squadmate who I wouldn't have any qualms with beating Shepard in a spar is Thane, because he's a master at close combat. Shepard can be really good at it but she/he just doesn't have the intensive training that Thane has. Don't worry, I like Garrus a lot more than Thane and if Thane and Shepard were in a deathmatch and they had guns, then I believe Shepard would win. Of course there are variables, but it's impossible to list them all.

I think Shepard's CQC would vary based on her/his class. As in...Vanguards are probably superior when it comes to close-quarters but Infiltrators are not. One of those "to each Shep, their own" situations.

Exactly, Aznsoisauce! My FemShep (the Vanguard) dominates all short-ranged fighting, but as for distanced combat? Unfortunately, she might have her arse handed to her in a one-on-one combat with Garrus, depending on the arena set-up. Though if he ever gets within 40 meters of her, Garrus is a dead turian.

[Zafflesia]

Seconding (thirding? fourthing?) the thing about OOC Garrus. The biggest offenders (to me, your mileage may vary) are Way Too Overprotective Garrus, who is related to Falls to Gooey Pieces if Shepard Gets a Scratch Garrus. I can't stomach either of those, or the hurt/comfort fics that take place after an author's Shepard takes him into the plague zone. I feel like saying "did you NOTICE the dead turians?" Besides, Mordin takes care of him quickly enough.

Maybe I completely lack a romantic soul.

I also took his "didn't think you'd want to spar" line as being a "wait, she's not saying what I think she's saying, is she?" kind of thing. Something about the voice acting on that line, and his stance. I've never really thought about whether or not Garrus could beat her in close combat, but seeing as how my main femshep and he are both snipers, they just might have to run five miles away from each other and have a shootout instead. ... but then he did say he was highly rated for hand to hand, so maybe not.

Modifié par Zafflesia, 23 mars 2010 - 12:05 .

[kglaser]

aynxalot wrote...
Garrus going into a romance with Shepard seems to me like two really good friends who trust each other completely, and decide to go ahead and take it a step further. I mean, really, at first it was like, "Haha, casual sex, LOL." Then Garrus starts to think about it, and realizes that it feels right. This is his best friend, he doesn't want to mess it up. It's not until later that he really understands that he cares for her as more than a friend.

Perfect!  This is exactly how I see it.
Actually, I truly think Garrus is the most logical choice for a romance.  Think about it:  Thane is too brooding and preoccupied, Jacob just seems too obviously like some guy trying to be a Sensitive Macho Stud so he can get some, and don't even mention Kelly--like Shepard would get involved with an air head like her; she's too smart for that!  She and Garrus are old friends, they've been through hell and back together, they understand each other like no two other people on that ship.  The more I think about it, the more perfect it seems.

[enormousmoonboots]

...you know, I think I just had a good thought about a justification for overprotective!Garrus--Joker told him that it's standard in human courtship, she totally expects it. *trollface.jpg*

[RPGmom28]

It does feel like a "the love of your life has always been right here beside you, unnoticed" kind of romance, and therefore feels natural. He trusts Shep when others have chosen not to do so- to the extent that he joins right up when he knows she's alive. He's not exactly your average Turian, and Shep isn't anywhere near the average human. They both know what has to be done and they both do it. They are always there for each other. I can see them fighting back to back totally in tandem with each other without having to say a word.

[Nyx]

ELE08 wrote...

The entire post was good, but this is an excellent point.  I read a lot of fics where Garrus ends up actually hurting Shepard inadvertently.  Yeah, they're not as squishy as humans, but I don't think their skin is as tough as some make it out to be.  It's not metal plating or anything.  It can't stop bullets.  You could stab one, it just takes a little more elbow grease.

In one scene during the final mission, Garrus used his forehead to break the glass on Collector tank prisons. I can actually imagine Garrus doing serious damage to unprotected human skin, if he chooses to. Grunt also goes to mention that Turians (being the non-squishy race) are much harder to kill with bare hands than Humans, Asari, and Salarians. Then you have the Turian shopkeeper who looks at Shepard in disbelief when she/he proceeds to purchase guns from his kiosk, noting that "squishy humans" can't take down the beasts his race is able to.

His plating-like exterior doesn't stop bullets, but it's still considerable protection against our more delicate features. Shepard is a soldier who has learned to work her/his way around human limitations (and perhaps exploit alien weak spots), though I'd imagine (s)he could get injured in the same way a human does.

[Shepard does take down two turians in non-combat uniform --- I do think (s)he was smart enough to not aim for the head (unless trained to hit rock-solid objects) and tackled their sensitive areas under the ribcage instead.]

Modifié par Nyx.Aeterna, 23 mars 2010 - 12:37 .

[Zafflesia]

Nyx.Aeterna wrote...

In one scene during the final mission, Garrus used his forehead to break the glass on Collector tank prisons.

...seriously? I completely missed this. Does it only happen if you save a certain number of people or am I just inattentive?

[enormousmoonboots]

Nyx.Aeterna wrote...

ELE08 wrote...

The entire post was good, but this is an excellent point.  I read a lot of fics where Garrus ends up actually hurting Shepard inadvertently.  Yeah, they're not as squishy as humans, but I don't think their skin is as tough as some make it out to be.  It's not metal plating or anything.  It can't stop bullets.  You could stab one, it just takes a little more elbow grease.

In one scene during the final mission, Garrus used his forehead to break the glass on Collector tank prisons. I can actually imagine Garrus doing serious damage to unprotected human skin, if he chooses to. Grunt also goes to mention that Turians (being the non-squishy race) are much harder to kill with bare hands than Humans, Asari, and Salarians. Then you have the Turian shopkeeper who looks at Shepard in disbelief when she/he proceeds to purchase guns from his kiosk, noting that "squishy humans" can't take down the beasts his race is able to.

wait what

You sure about this one? They all use the same animation, banging at the pods with the butt of their guns. I can't imagine why Garrus would headbutt it.

Anderson headbutts a turian guard into submission; they can't be that hard.

[kglaser]

enormousmoonboots wrote...
Anderson headbutts a turian guard into submission; they can't be that hard.

By the way, far and away one of my favorite isolated moments from ME1...even better than watching Anderson punch Udina

[enormousmoonboots]

I admit I tend to sway more towards the Udina scene for 1) vicarious revenge and 2) it doesn't end in Anderson getting shot. Felt bad about that part.



Still, he's such a stone-cold badass in that section. "You can't come in he--" WHAM

[bushes289]

Neria Rose wrote...

bushes289 wrote...
Unfortunately a lot of authors think otherwise, I think it's wish fulfillment, so many women still want their man to be stronger than them, I've had friends tell me that they wouldn't want to date someone who wasn't stronger than them. It always weirded me out, probably because I've always wanted to be the stronger in a relationship, but in the end, I just want to get along with the person I end up with.

I'm with those authors on that point. I like alpha men and I can't think of a man as alpha if he's not taller, heavier, and stronger than I am.

But it's kind of obvious that Garrus isn't the alpha with Femshep, that's not to say he doesn't have any kind of control, she initiated the realationship but he set the pace. Honestly I don't really think that they can classified as alpha and whatnot, physical strength doesn't really factor into that anyway, and judging by his reach and flexibility story he likes strong dominant women, because he is a strong dominant male who likes a good fight. So whenever I read a fanfic with Femshep being all soft and submissive I have to stop because it's just so bleh, and in control suddenly confident in bed with a human Garrus is just so wrong, on so many levels. I'm not saying that Garrus should be soft and submissive, not at all. I just think that the physical parts of their relationship should be more balanced than what most authors have written.

Unfortunately the best mass effect fanfiction I've ever read is a Thane one, called "The Destroyer." There have been a couple of passable Garrus fics but nothing as good as that one. Seriously that author is amazing, she can write the "Strong Female breaks down only with The Man" and make it not cliche, I spent most of my time reading that fic wishing she were writing a GarrusxFemshep because she's just that good.

Anyway I view them as equals and when I think of them, doing the dirty. I always imagined that it would end with a broken fishtank.

[Gerse1]

Hyrule_Gal wrote...

Do you guys think you would have liked Thane more if Bioware didn't try so hard to, I don't know...make his romance so freakin DIRE?

Me: You have a cool voice, an interesting art design , a cool jacket AND you're an assassin? You are so awesome Thane! Wow, you may very well become my love intre-

Thane: I have a dead wife

Me: Ah...ok, I guess I can overloo-

Thane: I also have issues with my son

Me: You have a kid too huh? *eyes dart to the door*

Thane: Did I ever tell you how I feel about you siha

Me: Siha?

Thane: Yes, its a name of a Goddess

Me: Wow..that's so romantic...maybe we could-

Thane: I called my DEAD WIFE that

Me: Right, anything else?

Thane: I'm going to die in a few months

Me:...ok *leaves to find Garrus*

Thane: *shouting down the hall* OH! I ALSO HAVE GENITAL HERPES. HOPE THAT'S COOL.

lulz.

Saw Mr. Keener on a Fidelity Insurance commercial while I was at the gym today.  Just....lettin' y'all know. haha. I couldn't hear his voice though, didn't have my ears plugged in.

Also I just played the Archangel mission last night for my insanity run. It took me like FOUR friggin hours.  I died so much.  I'm hoping it will get easier as I finally get some upgrades back and some non-squishy squadmates.


Anyway, I was reminded of our discussions over how his eyes change before/after the surgery.  Some people said they must be enhanced or cybernetic or some such.  I don't know....I guess I could buy that explanation, but for some reason I don't really like the thought of Garrus having TIM-esque quasi robot eyes .  His skin is also much more lumisescent and frankly quite gorgeous .  But, I'm inclined to think it's 1) partly the lighting difference, the normandy is very bright and silvery whereas his base was nighttime with lots of mellow, warm colors; 2) I think it was more an attempt of the artists to convey how exhausted and broken he was on Omega.  Literally take the spark out of his eyes.  .   They did a great job though.

[Nyx]

Zafflesia wrote...

Nyx.Aeterna wrote...

In one scene during the final mission, Garrus used his forehead to break the glass on Collector tank prisons.

...seriously? I completely missed this. Does it only happen if you save a certain number of people or am I just inattentive?

I've seen this happen on the following conditions:

a.) Be on time to save all of the abducted crew.
b.) Choose Garrus as one of your first ground teammates.
c.) In the scene where you rescue Kelly & Co., it will show Garrus headbutting the glass tank (to save Kelly). [Likely randomized.]



I think if you've missed one of them, he'll use his armor to break the glass instead. I'll have to verify that by watching other endings, but this is the theory I have so far.

Modifié par Nyx.Aeterna, 23 mars 2010 - 12:55 .

[Nyx]

enormousmoonboots wrote...

Nyx.Aeterna wrote...

ELE08 wrote...

The entire post was good, but this is an excellent point.  I read a lot of fics where Garrus ends up actually hurting Shepard inadvertently.  Yeah, they're not as squishy as humans, but I don't think their skin is as tough as some make it out to be.  It's not metal plating or anything.  It can't stop bullets.  You could stab one, it just takes a little more elbow grease.

In one scene during the final mission, Garrus used his forehead to break the glass on Collector tank prisons. I can actually imagine Garrus doing serious damage to unprotected human skin, if he chooses to. Grunt also goes to mention that Turians (being the non-squishy race) are much harder to kill with bare hands than Humans, Asari, and Salarians. Then you have the Turian shopkeeper who looks at Shepard in disbelief when she/he proceeds to purchase guns from his kiosk, noting that "squishy humans" can't take down the beasts his race is able to.

wait what

You sure about this one? They all use the same animation, banging at the pods with the butt of their guns. I can't imagine why Garrus would headbutt it.

Anderson headbutts a turian guard into submission; they can't be that hard.

Weird! I never got that.   Only Zaeed has done so. Thane, Legion, & Grunt all used their hands.

I'm sure you can train people to hit hard surfaces --- like how certain martial artists are able to break down bricks without impacting their hand in the wrong way.  

[kglaser]

I have to replay the ending again, anyway, since I lost somebody I didn't want to lose...I'll make sure to take Garrus for this part so I have a chance of seeing this awesome occurrance! 

[silentstephi]

Gah, so many posts since last night. Hurray!



Attraction - BFFs to love. Best romantic story so far. (For FemSheps, Tali's would have been in this cat too, but she's not into girls /sob)



OOC!Garrus: I can find a quirk or two that I can just put down to an author needing to fill in something... but this is why I am DEATHLY afraid to write half the fan stories that pop into my head. Because I don't want to ruin the character. Because I know I couldn't do them justice. It's why I usually just stick to making OC's that no one else will read because it's an OC and not ZOMG Garrus/Shep/Thane/Jack, etc. I wrote a fan story for Gargoyles once, and thought I did good, but when I sent it to a friend to beta read it for me, he ripped my Brooklyn apart. I was pretty sad.

It's made me nervous since then.



Garrus headbutt: Wait.... he does? I'll have to make Miranda Fireteam leader 1 then... I saw Thane and Legion banging away at the pods with their guns, and Tali using her STRENGTH OF AWESOME (she's so cute) to open them... but I needs to see this head butt. If his head is that hard, Harkin's head should of exploded when Garrus gave him the krogan SHUT FACE.



Anderson headbutt: OMG, you mean he won't die if I let him not punch out Udina? I need to see this!

[kglaser]

silentstephi wrote...

Anderson headbutt: OMG, you mean he won't die if I let him not punch out Udina? I need to see this!

You haven't seen the legendary head butt?  You gotta go check it out on Youtube right now!!
You'll like it