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[janeym27]

Wow, guys. I go away for a week and there's over 50 pages?!

I should have guessed. lol. Am never going to catch all this up. Much lulz at Thane.

I like to think that Garrus and FemShep are on a failry even keel when it comes to strength. Turiens seem to be a bit stronger than humans, but Shep is like super-human... I agree to the class dependancy, though. Garrus is a ranged fighter, so in close wuarters a Vanguard Shep could probably tear him into little pieces. But frankly, I don't care how badass an infiltrator or soildier s/he is - in a snipe-off I am inclined to believe Garrus would have the upper hand. Just. (though Shep is more likly to pull the trigger in the first place. At least mine is,)

How excited is everyone for The Pacific right now? Just me?

I feel like  should make the effort and try to read the past 50 or so pages, but I'm not long off a plane and sleepy.

So... Garrus. We still like Garrus, right? 

[enormousmoonboots]

Nyx.Aeterna wrote...

Weird! I never got that.   Only Zaeed has done so. Thane, Legion, & Grunt all used their hands.

I'm sure you can train people to hit hard surfaces --- like how certain martial artists are able to break down bricks without impacting their hand in the wrong way.  

My experience has always been one person hits it with the rifle, one person yanks. Never seen a headbutt.

You can train people to hit hard surfaces, but it's got to do with stuff like keeping your hand loose, using all the kinetic energy in your body rather than just moving your arm, and all kinds of nifty little tricks like that. I don't think Anderson was trained to headbutt turians.

[silentstephi]

It is no longer a headbutt.



It is the Krogan SHUTFACE!

[Sialater]

bushes289 wrote...

Neria Rose wrote...

bushes289 wrote...
Unfortunately a lot of authors think otherwise, I think it's wish fulfillment, so many women still want their man to be stronger than them, I've had friends tell me that they wouldn't want to date someone who wasn't stronger than them. It always weirded me out, probably because I've always wanted to be the stronger in a relationship, but in the end, I just want to get along with the person I end up with.

I'm with those authors on that point. I like alpha men and I can't think of a man as alpha if he's not taller, heavier, and stronger than I am.

But it's kind of obvious that Garrus isn't the alpha with Femshep, that's not to say he doesn't have any kind of control, she initiated the realationship but he set the pace. Honestly I don't really think that they can classified as alpha and whatnot, physical strength doesn't really factor into that anyway, and judging by his reach and flexibility story he likes strong dominant women, because he is a strong dominant male who likes a good fight. So whenever I read a fanfic with Femshep being all soft and submissive I have to stop because it's just so bleh, and in control suddenly confident in bed with a human Garrus is just so wrong, on so many levels. I'm not saying that Garrus should be soft and submissive, not at all. I just think that the physical parts of their relationship should be more balanced than what most authors have written.

Unfortunately the best mass effect fanfiction I've ever read is a Thane one, called "The Destroyer." There have been a couple of passable Garrus fics but nothing as good as that one. Seriously that author is amazing, she can write the "Strong Female breaks down only with The Man" and make it not cliche, I spent most of my time reading that fic wishing she were writing a GarrusxFemshep because she's just that good.

Anyway I view them as equals and when I think of them, doing the dirty. I always imagined that it would end with a broken fishtank.

Just for you, I might break the fishtank.  (I never buy fish, so I won't feel bad.)

I think the problem I've read with most of the sub/dom scenes is that the authors forget to move both parties around.  They concentrate on one to the detriment of the other and usually the POV they stay in is Garrus, for some reason, so Shep just sits there.

[Nyx]

silentstephi wrote...

Garrus headbutt: Wait.... he does? I'll have to make Miranda Fireteam leader 1 then... I saw Thane and Legion banging away at the pods with their guns, and Tali using her STRENGTH OF AWESOME (she's so cute) to open them... but I needs to see this head butt. If his head is that hard, Harkin's head should of exploded when Garrus gave him the krogan SHUT FACE.

Hmmm, it may also be the angle where the scene is shown. One where it looks like he's using his gun, armor, or head. Depending on who he is ramdomly chosen to save, it will show a certain side. I've only gotten that when Garrus is the one who's rescuing Kelly.  

[silentstephi]

Nyx.Aeterna wrote...

silentstephi wrote...

Garrus headbutt: Wait.... he does? I'll have to make Miranda Fireteam leader 1 then... I saw Thane and Legion banging away at the pods with their guns, and Tali using her STRENGTH OF AWESOME (she's so cute) to open them... but I needs to see this head butt. If his head is that hard, Harkin's head should of exploded when Garrus gave him the krogan SHUT FACE.

Hmmm, it may also be the angle where the scene is shown. One where it looks like he's using his gun, armor, or head. Depending on who he is ramdomly chosen to save, it will show a certain side. I've only gotten that when Garrus is the one who's rescuing Kelly.  

This whole talking about Krogan SHUTFACE made me just think...

Oh hey, there's a Turian who's tat I don't have a screenie of.
/facepalm

THIS MUST BE RECTIFIED!

[MarginalBeast]

enormousmoonboots wrote...

Geez, two new pages during my one class? We're going at a good clip now, lemme toss in my two creds...

...blah blah blah insert good points here blah blah....

And while they might get a little discouraged at hurdles like not being able to share food, I think they're both hard-headed enough to not be bothered by it. Actually, I've got this scene in my mind for whenever I get back to writing of them going to Chakwas for scratch tests to see what they can share.

I agree with this whole post. Every word! It just seems so unrealistic to me that Garrus could end up seeing her as "much more than a friend" by the end of the romance if he didn't already have some romantic attraction to her, realized or not. The romances only last for a few conversations and I don't think ME2 lasts for more than maybe a month, month and a half.

enormousmoonboots wrote...

Out-of-character Garrus: I once read a fic where, after
meeting her for the first time on the Presidium, he was instantly in
love with her because of her stunning beauty. excuse me wtf are you doing. Instant back button.

*vomits*


Overprotective Garrus -- I can only kind of see it if some sleazy jerk tried to pick up FemShep and Garrus punched /headbutted him before FemShep got the chance to. Not because of jealousy (he knows that he doesn't have to worry about losing Shepard to someone like that), but because Shepard was being greatly disrespected. You have to remember that Garrus is very impulsive. If he feels like punching a guy, he just might do that, instead of thinking "Wait, I'll just let Shepard handle this". He knows that Shepard is more then capable of taking care of herself, but that doesn't mean he's just going to shrug his shoulders and stand there if some thug starts getting all up in her business. Depending on the FemShep, she may end up watching with an amused grin on her face or step in and tell him to knock it off. Or she can join in and they can BOTH beat the crap out of perverts. Yay.

What I CAN'T see is him tearing Kaiden a new one for no good reason or being like "BUT SHE'S MIIIIIIINE NOOOO BACK OFF D:<" during the "confrontation" scene.

Strength -- I think that turians in general are stronger than humans. Yes, Shepard is a badass soldier and has had plenty of implants/upgrades, but that doesn't necessarily mean she is physically stronger than Garrus who is also a badass and has had upgrades. I just think Garrus is stronger because he's a turian, not because he's a male. And that doesn't make him a better fighter than her. There's a lot more to winning than just physical strength, or else the krogans would have been ruling the galaxy long before the salarians had the chance to unleash the genophage. (And sure, FemShep can apparently lift krogans like Grunt with one arm, but I try not to put too much faith in cutscene magic.) So that said, even if Garrus IS physically stronger than Shepard, that doesn't mean he'd win in a sparring match with her. ...Though he'd probably beat my FemShep because she's more of a "charge into battle and mow down everything in her path" kinda gal and doesn't possess the finesse required to be successful in advanced hand-to-hand combat. Interestingly enough I really don't imagine her to be very "flexible" at all. Oh well, you can't have everything.

Also, skin upgrades or not, if one of those sharp talons scratches her skin hard enough she is going to bleed, guys. I can't imagine she or Garrus freaking out about it if it does happen (and let's face it, it probably will happen at least once or twice the first few times), but he might be a little embarrassed. He is obviously nervous about accidentally hurting her. But he wouldn't go into a panic or anything overdramatic like that.

As for the dominant/submissive roles in bed, that's already been discussed. It really depends on your personal Shepard. No fanfic writer can really get it "wrong" (unless they go way overboard) because everyone's Shepard is different. Also I highly doubt that they are going to have sex the same way every time. So. The possibilites are endless.

And, uh, does it really matter anyway?

Modifié par MarginalBeast, 23 mars 2010 - 01:33 .

[Gerse1]

ELE08 wrote...

Pannamaslo wrote...

Love since the presidium: Lust or sexual attraction is needed for a romantic realtionship (at least at the begining). It does not matter if it's instant or gradual. In humans (in most cases) you see a person (interact with) and you need 30 seconds to asses whether is attractive to you in a sexual sense, also this assesment  rarely changes, even when you become firends (interestingly study shows that in 60% of cross-sex friendships one side is attracted in a sexual manner - mostly male). So I would say that there should be at least some degree of attraction at the begining, but love? Come on...

Immediately made me think of this.  This brings up a point about why I love the GarrusxShepard relationship so much.  Their initial relationship has no sexual undertones or ulterior motives (erm, maybe for the player) because they're a different species from each other.  I get the impression that Garrus has not previously even considered being with a human (which sort of throws the love at first sight thing out the window.)  They are friends first and foremost, and it's based on genuine appreciation for the other's personality.  Lust doesn't come into play until later when the friendship is already solid.

lol, i'm glad i wasn't the only one who immediately thought of harry and sally

[Zafflesia]

MarginalBeast wrote...

I agree with this whole post. Every word! It just seems so unrealistic to me that Garrus could end up seeing her as "much more than a friend" by the end of the romance if he didn't already have some romantic attraction to her, realized or not. The romances only last for a few conversations and I don't think ME2 lasts for more than maybe a month, month and a half.

Overprotective Garrus -- I can only kind of see it if some sleazy jerk tried to pick up FemShep etc etc

This. The whole post!

[silentstephi]

MarginalBeast wrote...

enormousmoonboots wrote...

Geez, two new pages during my one class? We're going at a good clip now, lemme toss in my two creds...

...blah blah blah insert good points here blah blah....

And while they might get a little discouraged at hurdles like not being able to share food, I think they're both hard-headed enough to not be bothered by it. Actually, I've got this scene in my mind for whenever I get back to writing of them going to Chakwas for scratch tests to see what they can share.

I agree with this whole post. Every word! It just seems so unrealistic to me that Garrus could end up seeing her as "much more than a friend" by the end of the romance if he didn't already have some romantic attraction to her, realized or not. The romances only last for a few conversations and I don't think ME2 lasts for more than maybe a month, month and a half.

And I agree with you as well.  Both of you <3

MarginalBeast wrote...

enormousmoonboots wrote...

Out-of-character Garrus: I once read a fic where, after
meeting her for the first time on the Presidium, he was instantly in
love with her because of her stunning beauty. excuse me wtf are you doing. Instant back button.

*vomits*

Overprotective Garrus -- I can only kind of see it if some sleazy jerk tried to pick up FemShep and Garrus punched /headbutted him before FemShep got the chance to. Not because of jealousy (he knows that he doesn't have to worry about losing Shepard to someone like that), but because Shepard was being greatly disrespected. You have to remember that Garrus is very impulsive. If he feels like punching a guy, he just might do that, instead of thinking "Wait, I'll just let Shepard handle this". He knows that Shepard is more then capable of taking care of herself, but that doesn't mean he's just going to shrug his shoulders and stand there if some thug starts getting all up in her business. Depending on the FemShep, she may end up watching with an amused grin on her face or step in and tell him to knock it off. Or she can join in and they can BOTH beat the crap out of perverts. Yay.

What I CAN'T see is him tearing Kaiden a new one for no good reason or being like "BUT SHE'S MIIIIIIINE NOOOO BACK OFF D:<" during the "confrontation" scene.

I agree with you there, 'cept for the show down.  While I don't think he'd be so silly as to be like BUT MINE NYAR, I can see him being calm, cool and matter of fact with Kaiden.  And if Kaiden still felt like he could kill another turian with his knee, well then, show down commence.

MarginalBeast wrote...
Also, skin upgrades or not, if one of those sharp talons scratches her skin hard enough she is going to bleed, guys. I can't imagine she or Garrus freaking out about it if it does happen (and let's face it, it probably will happen at least once or twice the first few times), but he might be a little embarrassed. He is obviously nervous about accidentally hurting her. But he wouldn't go into a panic or anything overdramatic like that.

Yea, I have a hard time with a ZOMG FREAK OUT Garrus.  It seems way OOC for him.  I think he'd be initially nervous... but after some coaxing they would both chalk it up to the "cost" of happy /shrug

[janeym27]

Gerse1 wrote...

ELE08 wrote...

Pannamaslo wrote...

Love since the presidium: Lust or sexual attraction is needed for a romantic realtionship (at least at the begining). It does not matter if it's instant or gradual. In humans (in most cases) you see a person (interact with) and you need 30 seconds to asses whether is attractive to you in a sexual sense, also this assesment  rarely changes, even when you become firends (interestingly study shows that in 60% of cross-sex friendships one side is attracted in a sexual manner - mostly male). So I would say that there should be at least some degree of attraction at the begining, but love? Come on...

Immediately made me think of this.  This brings up a point about why I love the GarrusxShepard relationship so much.  Their initial relationship has no sexual undertones or ulterior motives (erm, maybe for the player) because they're a different species from each other.  I get the impression that Garrus has not previously even considered being with a human (which sort of throws the love at first sight thing out the window.)  They are friends first and foremost, and it's based on genuine appreciation for the other's personality.  Lust doesn't come into play until later when the friendship is already solid.

lol, i'm glad i wasn't the only one who immediately thought of harry and sally

Well, Harry was always kinda into Sally... :innocent:

lol. I agree. The Garrus/Shep Tali/Shep somances seem the strongest in terms of realionships to me for this reason.
I also think it's a very honest relationship for these reasons - there are no games. They know each other well and trust each other, and want to take that to the next level. None of this 'sneaking into the captains cabin' bs! lol

I think, (and I know there was an extended discussion of the definition of love a few pages ago. I am not trying to be obtuse) that if there is romance or not, Shep and Garrus are very close by he ned of ME2. It's a friendship love. I know Shep gets close to all of the crew, but the whole mentor/comrade thing with Garrus really struck me as one of the deepest relationships going. I see not wanting to spoil that as a very valid reason for avoiding romantic love totally. 9not for my Shep, but then, I'm a sucker for stripper music and cheap wine. )

Been skiming back through the last few comic pages (remember I said I was going to bed? FAIL). I've missed this thread. Nice work, guys.

[silentstephi]

aynxalot wrote...

Okay, maybe no Kaidan/Garrus fight (Garrus wouldn't fight back; can't see it), but possibly a shouting match. Garrus is good at calling people out on being a d!ck.

Oh I could see a shouting match escalating to a show down.  But it wouldn't be a fight Garrus would start physically.  I could definitely see him starting it verbally.  After watching the Horizon scene all over again... could totally see that.  Kaiden just gave Shep the epic shutdown.

[aznsoisauce]

enormousmoonboots wrote...

...you know, I think I just had a good thought about a justification for overprotective!Garrus--Joker told him that it's standard in human courtship, she totally expects it. *trollface.jpg*

LOL!

I should draw thi-- *looks at pile of unfinished comic strips*
...Dammit.

--
I know I like to imagine Garrus and Kaidan fighting, but I don't see Garrus as the one to start it. However, I can see him making some kind of playful remark that is essentially "you're a fool, Kaidan, and I'm rubbing it in your face." Can't say Shepard would be happy about it, though. (Mine would totally high five him.)

[janeym27]

silentstephi wrote...

aynxalot wrote...

Okay, maybe no Kaidan/Garrus fight (Garrus wouldn't fight back; can't see it), but possibly a shouting match. Garrus is good at calling people out on being a d!ck.

Oh I could see a shouting match escalating to a show down.  But it wouldn't be a fight Garrus would start physically.  I could definitely see him starting it verbally.  After watching the Horizon scene all over again... could totally see that.  Kaiden just gave Shep the epic shutdown.

I always took Kaiden and Garrus with me in my first ME1 playthrough. They did not get on the best. Oh, they were civil, but no friendship there.

I really want the Kaiden/Garrus confrontation in ME3, whatever for that might take, but I agree - I can't see either of them getting physical with it. Maybe Garrus would shout Kaiden down, maybe Kaiden goes a bit biotic back at him (much to Garrus' annoyance and humerous threats of retaliation), but I think they are both smarter than that. Also, Shep would kick both their asses for showing her up!

[Nyx]

enormousmoonboots wrote...

You can train people to hit hard surfaces, but it's got to do with stuff like keeping your hand loose, using all the kinetic energy in your body rather than just moving your arm, and all kinds of nifty little tricks like that. I don't think Anderson was trained to headbutt turians.

The N7 academy (and his long military experience) has probably taught him a few things about hitting hard surfaces. From pure speculation, I suspect they'd prepare their soldiers as much as they could to face alien combat successfully [Turian physiology should be familiar to them after Shanxi], especially if they intend to move into galactic politics. Out of the 3 squishy races -- humanity, asari, & salarian --, the asari have the best edge due to innate biotic ability, but the other races seem to openly doubt human/salarian combat skills because of their appearance. Still, the asari are underestimated, and it's very apparent when Shepard speaks with the krogans.

The actual difference between humans and turians could go either way because there's plenty of evidence supporting both viewpoints. Until the devs lay down the law, it's mostly guesswork for now.  

[silentstephi]

aynxalot wrote...

silentstephi wrote...

aynxalot wrote...

Okay, maybe no Kaidan/Garrus fight (Garrus wouldn't fight back; can't see it), but possibly a shouting match. Garrus is good at calling people out on being a d!ck.

Oh I could see a shouting match escalating to a show down.  But it wouldn't be a fight Garrus would start physically.  I could definitely see him starting it verbally.  After watching the Horizon scene all over again... could totally see that.  Kaiden just gave Shep the epic shutdown.

Yeah, -that- Garrus would step in and defend her over. How many times has he seen her get wounded? And subsequently watched her shrug it off and keep going? Seriously here. Making him fall apart over any little scratch is too, I don't know....reminds me too much of The Book Series that Shall Not Be Named. And that just makes me feel physically ill.
Strong man, strong woman, snarky/flirty banter, challenging each other, with just enough tenderness to make it sweet? Love it. Cliched, mushy, angsty, romance with undertones of sexism from the author? Suck.

I'm not saying I wouldn't love to see Kaidan and Garrus have it out. It's actually something that makes me squee. But for that reason, I don't want to get my hopes too far up.

Yea... about that... /barfs
Give me Battle Couple every day of the week, except Tuesdays, I can take "Tragic love" and will then watch Thane/Shep.

[Flamewielder]

With all the interest surrounding LI polls for both male/female players, I figured I'd do the same for Shepard's closest friends. Being limited to 20 options, I had to make choices. I settled for player gender/closest friend of your Shepard.

I know a lot of players will say "My Shep's best friend IS his/her LI..." but that's not the purpose of this poll. We want to know which characters are most appealing as best friends to Shepard.

Who's gonna play card or share a drink with him/her? Who's gonna tease him/her for daring to drink rynchol in the Dark Star and passing out on the washroom floor? Who's gonna be the one taking the bullet for him/her so he can return to the Normandy and shag his/her LI silly?

Comments are most welcome. Poll can be found at http://social.biowar...664/polls/3602/

[Gerse1]

Zafflesia wrote...

Seconding (thirding? fourthing?) the thing about OOC Garrus. The biggest offenders (to me, your mileage may vary) are Way Too Overprotective Garrus, who is related to Falls to Gooey Pieces if Shepard Gets a Scratch Garrus. I can't stomach either of those, or the hurt/comfort fics that take place after an author's Shepard takes him into the plague zone. I feel like saying "did you NOTICE the dead turians?" Besides, Mordin takes care of him quickly enough.

Maybe I completely lack a romantic soul.

I also took his "didn't think you'd want to spar" line as being a "wait, she's not saying what I think she's saying, is she?" kind of thing. Something about the voice acting on that line, and his stance. I've never really thought about whether or not Garrus could beat her in close combat, but seeing as how my main femshep and he are both snipers, they just might have to run five miles away from each other and have a shootout instead. ... but then he did say he was highly rated for hand to hand, so maybe not.

Yeah, my completely unprofessional, unscientific take on Garrus's lines:  agreeing with Zafflesia, I saw that as he was trying to play it cool just in case she actually DID mean sparring, and didn't want to jump to conclusions and come away feeling like an idiot when she was like "Huh...OH...oh you thought...*snicker*".

Also the "human fetish" line: I thought he was saying he didn't want her to think he liked her because he had some kind of weird sexual obsession with any/all humans.  As in, "I like you for who you are, the fact that you are human is just incidental" not "I like you despite the fact you are human."

[Zafflesia]

aynxalot wrote...

Yeah, -that- Garrus would step in and defend her over. How many times has he seen her get wounded? And subsequently watched her shrug it off and keep going? Seriously here. Making him fall apart over any little scratch is too, I don't know....reminds me too much of The Book Series that Shall Not Be Named.

Yeeeesssssss. This is actually part of why I dislike Overprotective Garrus, along with Mating Frenzy Garrus. I get horrible flashbacks and have to go sit in a quiet corner for awhile.

[aznsoisauce]

Flamewielder wrote...

With all the interest surrounding LI polls for both male/female players, I figured I'd do the same for Shepard's closest friends. Being limited to 20 options, I had to make choices. I settled for player gender/closest friend of your Shepard.

I know a lot of players will say "My Shep's best friend IS his/her LI..." but that's not the purpose of this poll. We want to know which characters are most appealing as best friends to Shepard.

Who's gonna play card or share a drink with him/her? Who's gonna tease him/her for daring to drink rynchol in the Dark Star and passing out on the washroom floor? Who's gonna be the one taking the bullet for him/her so he can return to the Normandy and shag his/her LI silly?

Comments are most welcome. Poll can be found at http://social.biowar...664/polls/3602/

Garrus will win amongst males, I will put money on that. In fact, he's winning already, right?

Females are far less predictable. AMIRITE LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

...anyway.

I have to say that I find Garrus giving Shepard accidental (or not ;D) scratches and such (*cough*biting*cough*) insanely hot. I'll just...leave it at that.

[Sialater]

I do want to know... where'd the purring come from?

[MarginalBeast]

Zafflesia wrote...

aynxalot wrote...

Yeah, -that- Garrus would step in and defend her over. How many times has he seen her get wounded? And subsequently watched her shrug it off and keep going? Seriously here. Making him fall apart over any little scratch is too, I don't know....reminds me too much of The Book Series that Shall Not Be Named.

Yeeeesssssss. This is actually part of why I dislike Overprotective Garrus, along with Mating Frenzy Garrus. I get horrible flashbacks and have to go sit in a quiet corner for awhile.

What is Mating Frenzy Garrus, exactly?

aznsoisauce wrote...
I have to say that I find Garrus giving Shepard accidental (or not ;D) scratches and such (*cough*biting*cough*) insanely hot. I'll just...leave it at that.

Oh. You are not alone, my friend.

[kglaser]

aznsoisauce wrote...
(Mine would totally high five him.)

(high three him?)

P.S.  Put me in the "accidental scratches" appreciation club, please.

Modifié par kglaser, 23 mars 2010 - 02:09 .